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Quote from: Indymoney on January 14, 2020, 10:14:14 AM

Today we have some good news as Bangladesh agree to play two test matches in Pakistan as first in going to be played in Rawalpindi 7th February and second on 5th April in Karachi all other details also available as now this tour is going to be in two phases with 3 Twenty/20 and one ODI is also but this all splited which is not bad at all for local fans.

Is this news confirmed? If Bangladesh agrees to this itinerary, then it will be good for Pakistan. They badly need the revenues. And staging matches in UAE involve a lot of expenses and in the end the PCB will end up with hardly any cash in hand. But it was perplexing why the Bangladeshis refused to play the test matches in Pakistan initially. If they have no issues with the T20 matches, then what is the problem with the test matches?

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Today we have some good news as Bangladesh agree to play two test matches in Pakistan as first in going to be played in Rawalpindi 7th February and second on 5th April in Karachi all other details also available as now this tour is going to be in two phases with 3 Twenty/20 and one ODI is also but this all splited which is not bad at all for local fans.

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Quote from: Clement Kaliyar on January 13, 2020, 12:33:57 PM

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on January 13, 2020, 11:58:52 AM

Well.. if it is not possible to have 110 overs of play per day, then I don't see any point in taking away one day from the total duration. I will give one example. During the last decade, 22 out of the 106 test matches played by India ended as draw. If you reduce the total number of overs from 450 to 360-400, then this 22 would have become 40-45. In the end, the fans will shun test matches and it will negatively impact the popularity of the longer format matches.

If you take any example and that ends up in reduction of days or overs then you are bound to see more draws than ever, now a days we are seeing results in Test matches which is a good things actually, think about a situation playing hard for 5 days and still not able to see a result usually sucks unless you are supporting your home team to save them self from defeat and for that too they need to bat solidly to save the match but if you reduce the match then you wont see those special innings nor results and it will impact the game negatively.

We need to take in to account the rain interruptions as well, right? I am residing in India and here the rains have become very unseasonal. We are getting a lot of rains during non-Monsoon months as well. This has very badly impacted some of the domestic tournaments here. Even in Pakistan, recently a lot of matches ended up as draw due to rain interruption. And then we have countries such as Ireland, where it rains for 300 days a year. How they are supposed to finish a test match in 4 days?

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on January 13, 2020, 11:58:52 AM

Well.. if it is not possible to have 110 overs of play per day, then I don't see any point in taking away one day from the total duration. I will give one example. During the last decade, 22 out of the 106 test matches played by India ended as draw. If you reduce the total number of overs from 450 to 360-400, then this 22 would have become 40-45. In the end, the fans will shun test matches and it will negatively impact the popularity of the longer format matches.

If you take any example and that ends up in reduction of days or overs then you are bound to see more draws than ever, now a days we are seeing results in Test matches which is a good things actually, think about a situation playing hard for 5 days and still not able to see a result usually sucks unless you are supporting your home team to save them self from defeat and for that too they need to bat solidly to save the match but if you reduce the match then you wont see those special innings nor results and it will impact the game negatively.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 13, 2020, 11:26:48 AM

Its seems almost impossible to fit 110 overs per day, like we discussed before that teams are already struggling to complete their 90 overs quota (in majority match).

This is current game play time ( 90 overs a day and 30 overs each session- 15 overs every hour)
- first session = 2 Hours
- Lunch = 40 mins
- Second session = 2 Hours
- Tea = 20 mins
- Final session =2 Hours
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- Rest = 20-40 minutes
- New proposed session = 1.30Hours

So total 7.30 hours of gameplay and give 30-45 minutes extra. Looks tough task for bowlers unless team drastically change their strategy and combination, for example fixed 5-6 regular bowlers.

Well.. if it is not possible to have 110 overs of play per day, then I don't see any point in taking away one day from the total duration. I will give one example. During the last decade, 22 out of the 106 test matches played by India ended as draw. If you reduce the total number of overs from 450 to 360-400, then this 22 would have become 40-45. In the end, the fans will shun test matches and it will negatively impact the popularity of the longer format matches.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on January 13, 2020, 10:12:43 AM

Why can't we have 110 overs per day in test cricket? The matches can start 1:30 hours before the normal time, and it will be possible to get that many overs. For the fast bowlers, obviously it is going to be tough. But many of the present day bowlers have very short run-ups (Jasprit Bumrah, Umesh Yadav.etc) and it may be possible for them to deliver 20-25 overs per day without much damage.

Think about the situation if you are a bowler, to bowl 90 overs in a day is a big deal and to add another 20 overs is really taxing and we do not need to do these silly experiments in the name of revamping the game, lets state the facts, you are not adding new fans by adding more hours in a day as no one is able to spend the present time allocated and if it is a 5 day game and if there is holiday then people who are interested will watch the game and they need to include for day night Test matches than reducing the days.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on January 13, 2020, 10:12:43 AM

Why can't we have 110 overs per day in test cricket? The matches can start 1:30 hours before the normal time, and it will be possible to get that many overs. For the fast bowlers, obviously it is going to be tough. But many of the present day bowlers have very short run-ups (Jasprit Bumrah, Umesh Yadav.etc) and it may be possible for them to deliver 20-25 overs per day without much damage.

Its seems almost impossible to fit 110 overs per day, like we discussed before that teams are already struggling to complete their 90 overs quota (in majority match).

This is current game play time ( 90 overs a day and 30 overs each session- 15 overs every hour)
- first session = 2 Hours
- Lunch = 40 mins
- Second session = 2 Hours
- Tea = 20 mins
- Final session =2 Hours
----------------------------------------------
- Rest = 20-40 minutes
- New proposed session = 1.30Hours

So total 7.30 hours of gameplay and give 30-45 minutes extra. Looks tough task for bowlers unless team drastically change their strategy and combination, for example fixed 5-6 regular bowlers.

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Why can't we have 110 overs per day in test cricket? The matches can start 1:30 hours before the normal time, and it will be possible to get that many overs. For the fast bowlers, obviously it is going to be tough. But many of the present day bowlers have very short run-ups (Jasprit Bumrah, Umesh Yadav.etc) and it may be possible for them to deliver 20-25 overs per day without much damage.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on January 12, 2020, 12:42:58 PM

Whatever changes they are planning to do i do not want them to tinker in the Ashes as we need the entire games and i do not want to see any changes in the format and if they are planning to introduce day night Test in the Ashes then it is fine but do not reduce anything else, if they want to reduce the tournament then they can reduce the rest of the uneventful series rather than changing the rules in one of the most entertaining series in Test cricket history.

I think the new changes will affect every test match without any exceptions which seems sad considering how majority of the test enthusiasts stand against this change. Lets see if they actually implement these changes.

Quote from: JSRAW on January 13, 2020, 04:47:32 AM

ICC and ECB did their best to keep ODI WC in England only. having said that i am not naive about BCCI wrongdoings in world cricket but if i have to choose between BCCI or ECB/ICC then i would like to favor BCCI without any doubt. Thanks will check out this documentary.

I agree 100%. Both are equally corrupt in their own ways, but BCCI brings more to the table overall based on what I have observed over the years. ICC does not care about improving their archaic rules which is why I feel like they are useless in so many ways.

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Quote from: Indymoney on January 12, 2020, 10:22:48 AM

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~snip~
Four-day Tests should be an easy sell or we shouldn't be doing it - Strauss

98 overs x 4 days = 392 overs
90 overs x 5 days = 450 overs

Red ball is considered dangerous

Even they will never talk about this because you are attacking on them and they never feel good with this atitude on other hand both want to cut workload just with 4 days test what a dual game by these gentlemen.

I have no sympathy for ECB and ICC when it comes to cricket.

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~snip~.

There are many voices coming out from the ECB management (including English members of ICC) about reducing the days just to create additional buffer, let's see.

Quote from: Sithara007 on January 12, 2020, 10:24:50 PM

I don't know much about the revenues from Ashes, but I guess it is nothing extra-ordinary. The amount of revenue they get from 450 overs of play is the same as they would get from two T20 matches of 40 overs each. I never liked the ECB. They have done more harm to the sport than any other cricketing body (including the BCCI). If you watch the documentary named "Death of a Gentleman", you will get an idea about the dirty tricks played by the ECB. Time has come for the ICC to put these stupid ideas in the trash bin.

I am not aware of details as well but ashes still relevant in Test Cricket so revenue should be okay, not in comparison of T-20 Match though. Almost everybody likes to bash BCCI by saying that it has monopoly in World Cricket which is true but people forget that if it wasn't for BCCI and in some extent PCB then there would have been no WC hosting rights for any Asian country and 2 SENA countries (NZ, SA).

ICC and ECB did their best to keep ODI WC in England only. having said that i am not naive about BCCI wrongdoings in world cricket but if i have to choose between BCCI or ECB/ICC then i would like to favor BCCI without any doubt. Thanks will check out this documentary.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 12, 2020, 02:56:20 AM

Red ball is considered dangerous when natural light is low so "under the floodlight" option might be over-ruled, May be start game early?
Yeah, everything about 4 days test is stupid and it seems to me ECB is pushing this idea hard and CA chipping in support. good to see that BCCI sliding this idea under the rug and opposing it.

On the other hand If ECB and CA are really concern about workload etc then they should reduce the number of match in The Ashes. make it 2-3 test series instead of 5. but no they are not going to do that for obvious reasons.

I don't know much about the revenues from Ashes, but I guess it is nothing extra-ordinary. The amount of revenue they get from 450 overs of play is the same as they would get from two T20 matches of 40 overs each. I never liked the ECB. They have done more harm to the sport than any other cricketing body (including the BCCI). If you watch the documentary named "Death of a Gentleman", you will get an idea about the dirty tricks played by the ECB. Time has come for the ICC to put these stupid ideas in the trash bin.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 12, 2020, 02:56:20 AM

On the other hand If ECB and CA are really concern about workload etc then they should reduce the number of match in The Ashes. make it 2-3 test series instead of 5. but no they are not going to do that for obvious reasons.

Whatever changes they are planning to do i do not want them to tinker in the Ashes as we need the entire games and i do not want to see any changes in the format and if they are planning to introduce day night Test in the Ashes then it is fine but do not reduce anything else, if they want to reduce the tournament then they can reduce the rest of the uneventful series rather than changing the rules in one of the most entertaining series in Test cricket history.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 12, 2020, 02:56:20 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on January 12, 2020, 12:16:46 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on January 11, 2020, 10:28:12 AM

~snip~

Four-day Tests should be an easy sell or we shouldn't be doing it - Strauss

98 overs x 4 days = 392 overs
90 overs x 5 days = 450 overs

If we go by their proposal, then 58 overs will be deducted, and it will be having a very negative impact on the sub-continental test matches. And the only way they are going to achieve 98 overs per day is by extending the play by one more hour (i.e under the floodlights).

With climate change magnifying the impact of rain interruption, I am sure that this is a very stupid suggestion and it is going to make test cricket even more unpopular.

Red ball is considered dangerous when natural light is low so "under the floodlight" option might be over-ruled, May be start game early?
Yeah, everything about 4 days test is stupid and it seems to me ECB is pushing this idea hard and CA chipping in support. good to see that BCCI sliding this idea under the rug and opposing it.

On the other hand If ECB and CA are really concern about workload etc then they should reduce the number of match in The Ashes. make it 2-3 test series instead of 5. but no they are not going to do that for obvious reasons.

Even they will never talk about this because you are attacking on them and they never feel good with this atitude on other hand both want to cut workload just with 4 days test what a dual game by these gentlemen.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 12, 2020, 12:16:46 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on January 11, 2020, 10:28:12 AM

~snip~

Four-day Tests should be an easy sell or we shouldn't be doing it - Strauss

98 overs x 4 days = 392 overs
90 overs x 5 days = 450 overs

If we go by their proposal, then 58 overs will be deducted, and it will be having a very negative impact on the sub-continental test matches. And the only way they are going to achieve 98 overs per day is by extending the play by one more hour (i.e under the floodlights).

With climate change magnifying the impact of rain interruption, I am sure that this is a very stupid suggestion and it is going to make test cricket even more unpopular.

Red ball is considered dangerous when natural light is low so "under the floodlight" option might be over-ruled, May be start game early?
Yeah, everything about 4 days test is stupid and it seems to me ECB is pushing this idea hard and CA chipping in support. good to see that BCCI sliding this idea under the rug and opposing it.

On the other hand If ECB and CA are really concern about workload etc then they should reduce the number of match in The Ashes. make it 2-3 test series instead of 5. but no they are not going to do that for obvious reasons.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 11, 2020, 10:28:12 AM

Update on 4 day Tests

ICC is about to set up a meeting on this issue in next couple of months ( March). let's see what happens there. One strange thing i noticed that as of now they are proposing 4 days test with 98 over per day. Ironically on the other hand almost all teams are struggling to complete full 90 overs quota.

Not sure how are they going to counter this?

1. More Day-Night Test?
2. Adding extra 1 hour in per day game? I feel for fast bowlers here.

Four-day Tests should be an easy sell or we shouldn't be doing it - Strauss

98 overs x 4 days = 392 overs
90 overs x 5 days = 450 overs

If we go by their proposal, then 58 overs will be deducted, and it will be having a very negative impact on the sub-continental test matches. And the only way they are going to achieve 98 overs per day is by extending the play by one more hour (i.e under the floodlights).

With climate change magnifying the impact of rain interruption, I am sure that this is a very stupid suggestion and it is going to make test cricket even more unpopular.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 11, 2020, 10:28:12 AM

Update on 4 day Tests
ICC is about to set up a meeting on this issue in next couple of months ( March). let's see what happens there. One strange thing i noticed that as of now they are proposing 4 days test with 98 over per day. Ironically on the other hand almost all teams are struggling to complete full 90 overs quota.
Not sure how are they going to counter this?
1. More Day-Night Test?
2. Adding extra 1 hour in per day game? I feel for fast bowlers here.

Test cricket is already a big hurdle and energy swapping game especially for fast bowlers and if they are going to add one more hour then it will take a toll on the players and we will see more injures, they need to consider those situations too rather than going entirely for something else because we need to see entertaining cricket and not dull performances from tired players which will not add any value. Day night matches are a perfect solution rather than experimenting too much with a format which is the only real battle you can see with the bat and ball and i hope they will not destroy that.

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ICC to consider mandatory four-day Tests

Follow back on 4 day tests, this time statements coming from ECB and they seem to be agree to this idea.

Main points from their perspective
1. Yes, its controversial but it might help with "complex scheduling" and "player workloads"-
2. Free time -30/40 days a year-
3. Buzzword -Lets face it Test cricket is dying-

England and Wales Cricket Board 'cautiously' supports four-day Tests

Follow back....
Recently Jos Buttler gave mixed statement on 4 day tests but one important reaction coming from Indian captain Virat kohli and he's rooting for 5 day tests without any diplomatic statement.

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"Four-day Tests? Look, I'm not a fan of [it]," Kohli said on the eve of the T20I series opener between India and Sri Lanka in Guwahati. "I think the intent will not be right then because then you will speak of three-day Tests, where do you end? Then you speak of Test cricket disappearing. I don't endorse that at all.

'Four-day Tests? I don't endorse that at all' - Virat Kohli
"I don't think that's fair to the purest format of the game - how cricket started initially and five-day Test matches was the highest of tests you can have at the international level. According to me, it shouldn't be altered."

Update on 4 day Tests

ICC is about to set up a meeting on this issue in next couple of months ( March). let's see what happens there. One strange thing i noticed that as of now they are proposing 4 days test with 98 over per day. Ironically on the other hand almost all teams are struggling to complete full 90 overs quota.

Not sure how are they going to counter this?

1. More Day-Night Test?
2. Adding extra 1 hour in per day game? I feel for fast bowlers here.

Four-day Tests should be an easy sell or we shouldn't be doing it - Strauss

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Quote from: Murat on January 11, 2020, 07:20:16 AM

In recent time, Many speculations about the test match's time, I have heard that ICC is going to change the test format which could be four days test match, It is certainly a self-killing issue, first of all, Test cricket is the fundamental of all the cricket format, so it shouldn't be changed anymore, I think five Days is the standard of this format, if it would be changed then definitely it will loss the glamour of test match, If you say about the declining of the TV audience then I want to say that still the Asheses is the most popular series so don't think about the change.

I agree, Ashes is always a really good series and as a fan i do not want to see any changes in that format, it was an suggestion by the ICC i guess to reduce the number of days but if you look at the recent match between South Africa and England and if that was a 4 day Test it would have been a draw, so we do need to see results than seeing drawn matches and hopefully they will not experiment with the days in Test matches. Day night Test matches are interesting and i support those changes but not reducing the days.

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In recent time, Many speculations about the test match's time, I have heard that ICC is going to change the test format which could be four days test match, It is certainly a self-killing issue, first of all, Test cricket is the fundamental of all the cricket format, so it shouldn't be changed anymore, I think five Days is the standard of this format, if it would be changed then definitely it will loss the glamour of test match, If you say about the declining of the TV audience then I want to say that still the Asheses is the most popular series so don't think about the change.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 10, 2020, 11:07:58 PM

First of all, the ICC needs to admit that the popularity of test cricket is waning and the TV audience for this format is declining. The solution is not to dilute the format, but to reduce the number of test matches. As of now, a typical international side takes part in 8 to 10 test matches per year. The ICC can reduce it to 3-4 matches per year. If the number of matches are low, then I hope that more fans will turn up for the matches. Majority of the fans want more T20 matches, and I don't think that the ICC can ignore their demands.

@Sithara007 ICC will never admit that because they’ll not risk loosing their current advertisers so now they are trying to come up with radical approach by reducing the format, however this decision of theirs is already facing lots of backlash hence I hope they don’t go ahead with it. Another option I can suggest is that ICC should promote more test matches between top teams like Australia, England, and India or arrange more test matches between India and Pakistan as that shall help them revive this format.

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-7858491/South-Africa-set-oppose-four-day-Test-matches-England-Australia-support-ICC-proposal.html

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