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Quote from: JSRAW on October 14, 2019, 02:58:03 AM

Is it a sarcasm regarding Team Selection... Don't know.

What kind of bouncy tracks do they require to trouble good batsman is the biggest question Grin

. Srilanka recently defeated South Africa in Durban and the next one in Port Elizabeth and i wonder what kind of excuse do the South African players tell about that and if India tours South Africa in the near future they will white wash them in their home ground as India does have a lethal fast bowling line up.

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Quote from: JSRAW on October 14, 2019, 02:58:03 AM

Is it a sarcasm regarding Team Selection... Don't know.

Quota system in games (Guess they already know it but don't want to accept in public) which is a core reason SA cricket is heading towards doomsday. I don't think they are going to do anything about it anytime soon.

This does feel sarcastic. Did not expect Gibbs to speak in such a manner. Embarrassing that they cannot accept their failure. The fact is that drastic changes are required if they wish to stay relevant in International Cricket.

When you see their own team players like De Kock and Rabada arguing, you know there is something wrong with the team. I miss the old South African players like Smith and Pollock who made South Africa a dominating side in the past.

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Is it a sarcasm regarding Team Selection... Don't know.

Quota system in games (Guess they already know it but don't want to accept in public) which is a core reason SA cricket is heading towards doomsday. I don't think they are going to do anything about it anytime soon.

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Quote from: teosanru on October 13, 2019, 01:23:02 PM

I think South Africa's biggest problem is the bowling department. India have very cleverly constructed batting pitches and have a great batting lineup thus they always try to put up a great total in the first innings.

If it was a batting pitch then you show the weakness in the South African batting line up as they are not able to score runs, only Philander and Maharaj proved that the pitch does not have any demons to throw away the wickets like that and the problem with the bowling is that they always tour subcontinent wickets with no quality spinners and then you do not expect to win matches with average players.

The real problem with South Africa is that they can't find replacement for AB de Villiers and Hashim Amla. These two players used to be the backbone of their batting lineup and the new players (Aiden Markram/Theunis de Bruyn) are not able to perform as well as them. And once experienced players such as Faf du Plessis retire, this issue will become even worse.

And I don't agree with the second part of your post. Keshav Maharaj is a very good spin bowler and he has proved this by taking wickets in the pace-friendly tracks in South Africa, NZ and England. He was out of form during the first two matches, but I hope he'll be soon able to pick wickets after acclimatizing with the Indian conditions.

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Quote from: erikalui on October 13, 2019, 08:41:01 AM

Game got over so soon. First time after a long time India did right and chose to follow on. Still they won by 137 runs. The bowlers too played a big role in the win but definitely Virat's 254 was a savior.

This time SA did not even put up a fight. India easily managed to score 601 and take wickets.

I think South Africa's biggest problem is the bowling department. India have very cleverly constructed batting pitches and have a great batting lineup thus they always try to put up a great total in the first innings. South Africa in the previous match somehow managed to reach India's first innings total but unfortunately this time they couldn't do it. I know the fate of the third match would be the same if India gets to Bat first South Africa needs to find some luck if they bat first then maybe they can try to break India's strategy.

TBH I really feel sad when I see how good South Africa was before the WC and now. They have been struggling quite a lot not only with good team but also with teams like Pakistan and Bangladesh(in WC). I don't know what has gone wrong for them but I feel like that they need to change their team a lot with more experienced and consistent faces whether it be bowling or batting.

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Quote from: teosanru on October 13, 2019, 01:23:02 PM

I think South Africa's biggest problem is the bowling department. India have very cleverly constructed batting pitches and have a great batting lineup thus they always try to put up a great total in the first innings.

If it was a batting pitch then you show the weakness in the South African batting line up as they are not able to score runs, only Philander and Maharaj proved that the pitch does not have any demons to throw away the wickets like that and the problem with the bowling is that they always tour subcontinent wickets with no quality spinners and then you do not expect to win matches with average players.

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Quote from: erikalui on October 13, 2019, 08:41:01 AM

Game got over so soon. First time after a long time India did right and chose to follow on. Still they won by 137 runs. The bowlers too played a big role in the win but definitely Virat's 254 was a savior.

This time SA did not even put up a fight. India easily managed to score 601 and take wickets.

I think South Africa's biggest problem is the bowling department. India have very cleverly constructed batting pitches and have a great batting lineup thus they always try to put up a great total in the first innings. South Africa in the previous match somehow managed to reach India's first innings total but unfortunately this time they couldn't do it. I know the fate of the third match would be the same if India gets to Bat first South Africa needs to find some luck if they bat first then maybe they can try to break India's strategy.

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Quote from: FIFA worldcup on October 13, 2019, 05:04:24 AM

Well, when you are winning then you do not feel the tiredness, or do you ?

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on October 13, 2019, 06:05:01 AM

And poor South Africa lost again as expected :-P
I think they need to play few Test against Pakistan to build up some confidence :-D
What do you think everyone?

Yeah its been a long losing streak for SA and facing Pak or WI might build up their confidence to some extent ;p But the ICC schedule shows that they are going to face England and Australia in their home after this test series. With the home advantage, if they manage to post a win, it will definitely boost their confidence.

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on October 13, 2019, 06:39:44 AM

Well in a serious note, I think South Africa really need to work with their cricketing infrastructure. I think the reason is the weak backbone. They are not making enough crickets in the pipeline.

The issues faced by the South African cricket board was public after their terrible performance in the world cup, there is a lack of fund when it comes to domestic matches and they are cutting short things to balance the minimum funds they have as they are not getting enough sponsorship and they are at a loss. If you are not able to give importance to develop the domestic players then you will not find talents and that is showing up in international cricket too with the lack of batting talents and all rounders in the team.

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Quote from: erikalui on October 13, 2019, 08:41:01 AM

Game got over so soon. First time after a long time India did right and chose to follow on. Still they won by 137 runs. The bowlers too played a big role in the win but definitely Virat's 254 was a savior.

This time SA did not even put up a fight. India easily managed to score 601 and take wickets.

Totally an unexpected test match from the SA . People thought this would be a better one than first test but just happened other way round . SA just could not even get better than their first innings and gave this match very easily .

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on October 13, 2019, 06:05:01 AM

And poor South Africa lost again as expected :-P
I think they need to play few Test against Pakistan to build up some confidence :-D
What do you think everyone?

Lol yeah. I also think playing with low ranked teams will slowly improve their new players as well. Well it's better to face an easier team instead of facing a on form team and face embarrassment.

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Quote from: erikalui on October 13, 2019, 08:41:01 AM

Game got over so soon. First time after a long time India did right and chose to follow on. Still they won by 137 runs. The bowlers too played a big role in the win but definitely Virat's 254 was a savior.

This time SA did not even put up a fight. India easily managed to score 601 and take wickets.

They gave up the fight after the first day, when the Indian batsmen were smashing their bowlers all around the park. After the score passed 400 or so, the South African bowlers were not even trying to take wickets. They were bowling in a mechanical fashion, just waiting for the declaration from India. The morale was down and they never recovered from that.

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Game got over so soon. First time after a long time India did right and chose to follow on. Still they won by 137 runs. The bowlers too played a big role in the win but definitely Virat's 254 was a savior.

This time SA did not even put up a fight. India easily managed to score 601 and take wickets.

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on October 13, 2019, 06:05:01 AM

And poor South Africa lost again as expected :-P
I think they need to play few Test against Pakistan to build up some confidence :-D
What do you think everyone?

Sure Sure, we welcome South Africa to come to our country to play the test and we will ensure that they will win the test series 3-0 to gain
full confidence. Wink

I don't think that South Africa will be able to win in Pakistan, as their players don't have the quality to perform abroad. In fact, I really doubt whether they'll be able to win home matches as well. They don't have any match winners in their team. Well... the only world class player remaining in their squad is Dale Steyn and he has played hardly any matches during the past 3-4 years due to injury. And also, most of the remaining good players are in their 30s and they will be retiring soon as well. Elgar is 32, Faf du Plessis is 35, and Vernon Philander is 34.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on October 13, 2019, 06:33:36 AM

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Sure Sure, we welcome South Africa to come to our country to play the test and we will ensure that they will win the test series 3-0 to gain
full confidence. Wink

Yes, your honor - I can feel your hospitality. /s

Quote from: eaLiTy on October 13, 2019, 06:19:06 AM

South Africa need to play some Test matches with West Indies, Pakistan and other team to gain confidence and to look for new talents in the longer version of the game, the top order is struggling and only Elgar is trying to spend some time in the crease and in this match Philander and Maharaj are the player who stayed in the crease for a much longer time says the situation of the South African team.

Well in a serious note, I think South Africa really need to work with their cricketing infrastructure. I think the reason is the weak backbone. They are not making enough crickets in the pipeline.

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on October 13, 2019, 06:05:01 AM

And poor South Africa lost again as expected :-P
I think they need to play few Test against Pakistan to build up some confidence :-D
What do you think everyone?

Sure Sure, we welcome South Africa to come to our country to play the test and we will ensure that they will win the test series 3-0 to gain
full confidence. Wink

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Quote from: AB de Royse777 on October 13, 2019, 06:05:01 AM

And poor South Africa lost again as expected :-P
I think they need to play few Test against Pakistan to build up some confidence :-D
What do you think everyone?

South Africa need to play some Test matches with West Indies, Pakistan and other team to gain confidence and to look for new talents in the longer version of the game, the top order is struggling and only Elgar is trying to spend some time in the crease and in this match Philander and Maharaj are the player who stayed in the crease for a much longer time says the situation of the South African team.

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And poor South Africa lost again as expected :-P
I think they need to play few Test against Pakistan to build up some confidence :-D
What do you think everyone?

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Quote from: Avirunes on October 13, 2019, 04:42:31 AM

I wonder if India will be able to play with same form at their pitches? Will make things interesting if that happens.

South Africa no longer has legendary pace bowlers like Alan Donald and Shaun Pollock. Their current bunch of pacers are not the world's best. Actually this can be said about most of the teams. Australia is also struggling to find successors to Glenn McGrath and Brett Lee. England has its combination of Wood-Archer-Broad, but they are far from the world's best. West Indies pace attack died out when Courtney Walsh and Curtney Ambrose retired. Pakistan no longer have Shoaib Akhtar, Wasim Akram or Waqar Younis.

The current bunch of pace bowlers are no longer feared by the batsmen (even on pace friendly surfaces such as Kingsmead and WACA), and this is applicable to all the teams. I am not sure about the reason, but the game of cricket has shifted heavily to batsmen's side during the last two decades. During the past hundreds of years, we never had such a phase in which the batsmen enjoyed complete domination.

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So no follow on......

Yeah, we won't have one. Wink

Kohli thinks differently Grin

Yeah. The Indian bowlers were pretty tired after bowling for a full day. Ideal situation would be to bat for a session and score about 100+ runs give them a target over 450+ runs and bowl them out in a day and 2 sessions. But as far as India is taking wickets and winning there is nothing to blame. Maybe he thought that the bowlers got enough rest over night Cheesy

Well, when you are winning then you do not feel the tiredness, or do you ? Finally India won this test pretty easily by an innings and 137 runs.
With this win, the Indian team now have the highest points 200 in the ICC World Test Championship and i doubt if anyone can beat them.

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