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Quote from: JohnBitCo on December 12, 2021, 06:41:54 AM

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That would be funny indeed having 6 umpires for focusing on the 100 overs match. If a single umpire cant focuses a 100 overs, i would say he should stop the umpiring and adopt some other profession where people work 10 - 12 hrs a day and yet paid less.
Instead of finding more umpires, the focus should be to increase the quality of the existing umpires.

The umpires have all the technology at their disposal and they have three umpires officiating the match and now a days the third umpire looks after the front foot no ball and may be that is the reason the umpires these days are not careful with the front foot and if the technology is not working then they will miss calling them. The umpiring quality should be better and the reason they are depending on technologies to assist them might be the reason we saw many no balls being ignored by the on field umpire in the first Ashes Test.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 12, 2021, 06:09:37 AM

Quote from: Theones on December 12, 2021, 02:09:19 AM

Well game in its natural form has its own charm. See football for instance, EU didn't modified it for decades nor introduced technology in it until now, that too is very limited usage. Technology in cricket has made job of umpires challenging, See face of an umpire when it's decision is overture by 3rd umpire.

Humans can never be as accurate as machines. In an ODI match, the umpire needs to be out there with 100% focus for the entire duration (100 overs), while the players need to concentrate only on a much smaller duration. My solution would be to have a change in umpires every 10 overs or so. Instead of three umpires, lets have 6, with them changing every 10 or 15 overs in a rotational basis. This will hopefully keep the umpires in better morale and will reduce the chances of any error from their part.

That would be funny indeed having 6 umpires for focusing on the 100 overs match. If a single umpire cant focuses a 100 overs, i would say he should stop the umpiring and adopt some other profession where people work 10 - 12 hrs a day and yet paid less.
Instead of finding more umpires, the focus should be to increase the quality of the existing umpires.

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Quote from: Theones on December 12, 2021, 02:09:19 AM

Well game in its natural form has its own charm. See football for instance, EU didn't modified it for decades nor introduced technology in it until now, that too is very limited usage. Technology in cricket has made job of umpires challenging, See face of an umpire when it's decision is overture by 3rd umpire.

Humans can never be as accurate as machines. In an ODI match, the umpire needs to be out there with 100% focus for the entire duration (100 overs), while the players need to concentrate only on a much smaller duration. My solution would be to have a change in umpires every 10 overs or so. Instead of three umpires, lets have 6, with them changing every 10 or 15 overs in a rotational basis. This will hopefully keep the umpires in better morale and will reduce the chances of any error from their part.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on December 11, 2021, 11:04:36 AM

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Haha yeah for like 30-40 minutes. Fox sports feed went poof and everyone suffered. It was hilarious tho, literally felt like i was watching county cricket or some other local league.

Even when they resumed the coverage, it was not the usual stuff. I don't really understand the point in reducing the number of passes allotted to the TV staff, giving the excuse of COVID protocols. They can reduce the number of viewers, but how can they reduce the number of technical staff? Even after two years, it is really irritating to see at least some of the countries engaging in this sort of restrictions. And I guess in Australia the vast majority of the adult population are already vaccinated.

There is nothing wrong with taking precautions. But, they should allow TV staff from the next match onwards otherwise this same incident can again happen. I think it might have been a link failure someone might have tripped on the wire lol. Even after two years the virus is not leaving us and has been upgrading itself continuously.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 11, 2021, 09:31:43 PM

Umpiring is a hard job. Umpires need to work for 100% of the time and in a test match it means working continuously for 40 hours or so. Technology made their lives easier and I don't see any point in going back to the old system. In today's world, if someone is not using technology, then it is their fault. I was watching African T20 qualifier a few weeks ago, and even there they were using technology to their advantage. Now Australia is a board with tens of millions of USD in annual revenues, and it will be laughable to say that they couldn't arrange for better technology.

Well game in its natural form has its own charm. See football for instance, EU didn't modified it for decades nor introduced technology in it until now, that too is very limited usage. Technology in cricket has made job of umpires challenging, See face of an umpire when it's decision is overture by 3rd umpire.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on December 11, 2021, 11:04:36 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on December 11, 2021, 10:08:49 AM

Haha yeah for like 30-40 minutes. Fox sports feed went poof and everyone suffered. It was hilarious tho, literally felt like i was watching county cricket or some other local league.

Even when they resumed the coverage, it was not the usual stuff. I don't really understand the point in reducing the number of passes allotted to the TV staff, giving the excuse of COVID protocols. They can reduce the number of viewers, but how can they reduce the number of technical staff? Even after two years, it is really irritating to see at least some of the countries engaging in this sort of restrictions. And I guess in Australia the vast majority of the adult population are already vaccinated.

I missed this hilarious event as I was not watching it live at that very moment. We can't expect such types of incidents in modern day cricket when technology help is at its peak. I know technical guys get little attention as no one thinks they are important, but after this incident, the importance of technical staff would be realized.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on December 11, 2021, 02:26:02 PM

The Australian board failed to check and verify these details and they had the worst experience in terms of umpiring decisions because they failed to identify no balls and the technology available for the match. With the advent of technology the on field umpires are becoming lazy as they failed to look for front foot no balls and they did not inform about the lack of technology to anyone as the on field umpires were relying on the third umpire to inform them.

Umpiring is a hard job. Umpires need to work for 100% of the time and in a test match it means working continuously for 40 hours or so. Technology made their lives easier and I don't see any point in going back to the old system. In today's world, if someone is not using technology, then it is their fault. I was watching African T20 qualifier a few weeks ago, and even there they were using technology to their advantage. Now Australia is a board with tens of millions of USD in annual revenues, and it will be laughable to say that they couldn't arrange for better technology.

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Quote from: perfect999 on December 11, 2021, 03:37:29 PM

Quote from: eaLiTy on December 11, 2021, 02:26:02 PM

The Australian board failed to check and verify these details and they had the worst experience in terms of umpiring decisions because they failed to identify no balls and the technology available for the match. With the advent of technology the on field umpires are becoming lazy as they failed to look for front foot no balls and they did not inform about the lack of technology to anyone as the on field umpires were relying on the third umpire to inform them.

Australians have history of many big failures and cricketing hypocrisies, but they never accept this and ICC never have any action against them because they are founding members of cricket and have role of superpower in cricket which is worst for this game.

In this match failure of technology or human error both things apply but still no noise or any apology from them if this happened in any other country specially in Asia then there could be too many noises and have some serious punishment about this all because here few countries are having nothing strong relationship with ICC or Australia. Still, it's a good win for them and two collapses are alarming for the English batting line-up which is already on ventilator.

That does not matter anymore now, they have won the match and won it in a commendable manner. Winning by 9 wickets is a big win. 4 more matches are left and England can still come back if they start working on their batting. For the second innings only two playes were able to bat and the rest of the team were struggling. Overall they have the potential and they can surely comeback.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on December 11, 2021, 02:26:02 PM

The Australian board failed to check and verify these details and they had the worst experience in terms of umpiring decisions because they failed to identify no balls and the technology available for the match. With the advent of technology the on field umpires are becoming lazy as they failed to look for front foot no balls and they did not inform about the lack of technology to anyone as the on field umpires were relying on the third umpire to inform them.

Australians have history of many big failures and cricketing hypocrisies, but they never accept this and ICC never have any action against them because they are founding members of cricket and have role of superpower in cricket which is worst for this game.

In this match failure of technology or human error both things apply but still no noise or any apology from them if this happened in any other country specially in Asia then there could be too many noises and have some serious punishment about this all because here few countries are having nothing strong relationship with ICC or Australia. Still, it's a good win for them and two collapses are alarming for the English batting line-up which is already on ventilator.

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Quote from: JSRAW on December 11, 2021, 02:50:10 AM

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Australian stadiums are majestic, crowd is good and coverage is average. Recent coverage of Gabba felt like its went back to 2000s, No ball drama, equipment failure or take today's example where they covered good amount of overs with only 1 camera. On commentary every broadcaster should ban Warne and Junior without any explanation, they give ear cancer to the listener.

The Australian board failed to check and verify these details and they had the worst experience in terms of umpiring decisions because they failed to identify no balls and the technology available for the match. With the advent of technology the on field umpires are becoming lazy as they failed to look for front foot no balls and they did not inform about the lack of technology to anyone as the on field umpires were relying on the third umpire to inform them.

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Quote from: Haunebu on December 11, 2021, 06:20:40 AM

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Hardly anyone in this thread follow test cricket or even remember last 5 tests so i don't blame them for predicting anything. Other than this thread i didn't find any discussion where majority were favoring the Poms, even their die hard fans. All discussion was about whitewash by Aussie or outcome of rotation policy in the Ashes, which started last year or so.

I never expected a whitewash by either side though my prediction is that England will win this series though I didn't expect Australia to demolish them in the 1st test in this manner. Australia is improving drastically in all formats currently.

England need to rethink their strategies if they wish to shift the momentum back in their favour in this series.

Australia have won the match with style. There is big improvement and how this gonna get continued in a consistent manner is unknown.

The senior team used to perform like this and one can believe they'll make it. With the present team that is missing. This win could boost Australia and make England prepare themselves better. More discussions were taking place about whitewash, but I don't think even though Australia have got home advantage.

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Quote from: JohnBitCo on December 11, 2021, 01:51:45 AM

Now it's too late to discuss the warmup matches and why England did not opt for them. I do think that the England team, after this loss, will come back strong in the second test. They have the players and talent to turn the tables, therefore Australians can't relax and take things for granted even though they have won the first match.

Recently we have no warm-up matches due to some busy schedule and Covid both having serious impact on them, and we have very few warm-up matches or just practices nothing good happening which is seriously hurting to many players. After lost of first test match now I still have feeling England is just one man army, and they can't compete with Australia with current squad because no player can bat good just few bowlers have some good experience but batting line is totally crap, so they need some long term planning for this if they want some better results in near future.

Cummins has done some good in his first test as skipper look like he is going to stay on this job for some time because CA is not happy about Steven Smith came again as captain.

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England is facing a nightmare. For maintaining slow over-rates in the first Ashes Test in Brisbane, England has been docked five points in the World Test Championship and fined 100% of their match fees. On day 2, they only bowled 84 overs whereas they were supposed to bowl 98, which put them 10 overs behind the over rate. However, 100% of their match fees for slow overate, when the match ended so early? All these decisions are not acceptable to me, some rules need to be corrected. There are a lot of poor decisions going on with the game in general, and the game is losing its luster.

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Quote from: JSRAW on December 11, 2021, 10:08:49 AM

Haha yeah for like 30-40 minutes. Fox sports feed went poof and everyone suffered. It was hilarious tho, literally felt like i was watching county cricket or some other local league.

Even when they resumed the coverage, it was not the usual stuff. I don't really understand the point in reducing the number of passes allotted to the TV staff, giving the excuse of COVID protocols. They can reduce the number of viewers, but how can they reduce the number of technical staff? Even after two years, it is really irritating to see at least some of the countries engaging in this sort of restrictions. And I guess in Australia the vast majority of the adult population are already vaccinated.

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Quote from: JohnBitCo on December 11, 2021, 12:01:04 AM

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Excellent batting display from the England, mammoth target of 20 runs. Australia is in big trouble. Grin

LOL... Before the start of the series, 90% of the users here were saying that England is going to whitewash Australia. And look at what happened. Australia very nearly pulled off an innings victory. BTW, I haven't seen too many posts congratulating Pat Cummins. We can't ignore his contribution here (both as the captain, and as the opening bowler). He made his test debut 10 years ago, at the age of 18 years. And this is very rare in Australia, where the selectors normally doesn't consider players for national team selection until they are 21-22 at least. And I guess he was the last teenager to make debut for them.

England batting again collapsed in the 2nd innings. When Dawid Malan and Joe Root were batting at 80+ each I thought they could turn the game around for England, but none of the remaining England batsmen were able to show any big performances and Australia easily won this test match.

Yes I was expecting that england will give a tough fight to Australia and may be try to force a draw atleast take it to the day 5 of the test match but again they collapsed. With only 55 lead left and 8 wickets in hand they had a good chance to give about 150 to australia and take it the 5th day of the test Match. England have alot to worry about specially in batting department. Their opening partnership needs to come good most importantly.

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Quote from: Haunebu on December 11, 2021, 06:20:40 AM

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Hardly anyone in this thread follow test cricket or even remember last 5 tests so i don't blame them for predicting anything. Other than this thread i didn't find any discussion where majority were favoring the Poms, even their die hard fans. All discussion was about whitewash by Aussie or outcome of rotation policy in the Ashes, which started last year or so.

I never expected a whitewash by either side though my prediction is that England will win this series though I didn't expect Australia to demolish them in the 1st test in this manner. Australia is improving drastically in all formats currently.

England need to rethink their strategies if they wish to shift the momentum back in their favour in this series.

Yeah whitewash sounds overstretched as couple of matches are D/N and anything could happen in Pink Ball tests. Anderson-Broad duo will join the team for sure then it should be a excellent contest.

Btw their batters are in terrible form.

https://twitter.com/cricbuzz/status/1469627768916774913

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Australian stadiums are majestic, crowd is good and coverage is average. Recent coverage of Gabba felt like its went back to 2000s, No ball drama, equipment failure or take today's example where they covered good amount of overs with only 1 camera. On commentary every broadcaster should ban Warne and Junior without any explanation, they give ear cancer to the listener.

LOL.. I heard there was power outage? Also, as per the COVID protocol, TV staff were cut down by 75%. This delayed the resumption of TV coverage. Ashes is being watched by hundreds of millions around the world (a large chunk of that number being in the sub-continent). Watching the matches from Australia live on TV is another experience altogether. I still remember watching Brett Lee and Glenn McGrath steaming in two decades ago, when I was still in school. It was more stimulating than my morning coffee.

Haha yeah for like 30-40 minutes. Fox sports feed went poof and everyone suffered. It was hilarious tho, literally felt like i was watching county cricket or some other local league.

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Quote from: JSRAW on December 11, 2021, 02:50:10 AM

Australian stadiums are majestic, crowd is good and coverage is average. Recent coverage of Gabba felt like its went back to 2000s, No ball drama, equipment failure or take today's example where they covered good amount of overs with only 1 camera. On commentary every broadcaster should ban Warne and Junior without any explanation, they give ear cancer to the listener.

LOL.. I heard there was power outage? Also, as per the COVID protocol, TV staff were cut down by 75%. This delayed the resumption of TV coverage. Ashes is being watched by hundreds of millions around the world (a large chunk of that number being in the sub-continent). Watching the matches from Australia live on TV is another experience altogether. I still remember watching Brett Lee and Glenn McGrath steaming in two decades ago, when I was still in school. It was more stimulating than my morning coffee.

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Quote from: JSRAW on December 11, 2021, 02:50:10 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on December 10, 2021, 09:56:24 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on December 10, 2021, 08:06:22 PM

Excellent batting display from the England, mammoth target of 20 runs. Australia is in big trouble. Grin

LOL... Before the start of the series, 90% of the users here were saying that England is going to whitewash Australia. And look at what happened. Australia very nearly pulled off an innings victory. BTW, I haven't seen too many posts congratulating Pat Cummins. We can't ignore his contribution here (both as the captain, and as the opening bowler). He made his test debut 10 years ago, at the age of 18 years. And this is very rare in Australia, where the selectors normally doesn't consider players for national team selection until they are 21-22 at least. And I guess he was the last teenager to make debut for them.

Hardly anyone in this thread follow test cricket or even remember last 5 tests so i don't blame them for predicting anything. Other than this thread i didn't find any discussion where majority were favoring the Poms, even their die hard fans. All discussion was about whitewash by Aussie or outcome of rotation policy in the Ashes, which started last year or so.

Not true as I have been following the test cricket for quite some time and I am a die hard fan of cricket also Wink

From 1989 to 2003, Australia consecutively won the 8 Ashes which is a big record. No doubt, Aussies were the best team in that era. From 2009 to 2013, England dominated the Ashes with three consecutive wins. Then the race was very even as each team wins alternatively till 2019 when we had a 2-2 draw in the Ashes.
Thereafter the covid hit us and along with many other tournaments Ashes was postponed too and now we are playing the post covid Ashes.

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Quote from: JSRAW on December 11, 2021, 02:50:10 AM

Hardly anyone in this thread follow test cricket or even remember last 5 tests so i don't blame them for predicting anything. Other than this thread i didn't find any discussion where majority were favoring the Poms, even their die hard fans. All discussion was about whitewash by Aussie or outcome of rotation policy in the Ashes, which started last year or so.

I never expected a whitewash by either side though my prediction is that England will win this series though I didn't expect Australia to demolish them in the 1st test in this manner. Australia is improving drastically in all formats currently.

England need to rethink their strategies if they wish to shift the momentum back in their favour in this series.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 11, 2021, 01:20:19 AM

First test as the captain for Cummins. Let's see how it goes from here for him. England was perhaps a bit overconfident? They didn't played any warmup matches before the first test. The only match practice they had before the Brisbane test was the abandoned match between their A and B teams, which lasted for just 29 overs (two and half days out of three days washed out). Increasing number of COVID cases in Australia (as well as the ongoing BBL) means that they can't yet schedule any matches against the first class teams.

Thats the dilemma of England cricket team. They have average team most of the times but as soon as there performance start gets better they become arrogant and show such non serious behavior. They have got a blistering reply from Australia that England s still an average team.

Quote from: JSRAW on December 11, 2021, 02:50:10 AM

On commentary every broadcaster should ban Warne and Junior without any explanation, they give ear cancer to the listener.

I do agree on this note with you that Shane Warne must not be allowed to enter any commentary box. He is so biased and full of hate for his opponents.

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