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Quote from: Sithara007 on March 22, 2022, 09:06:04 PM

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Are you sure Pakistan is weak team? They have one of the best boys these days. They don't play IPL that doesn't mean they are weak. Pakistan these days is as good as any best team these days. So far 11 wickets have been fallen and seems like we are having a result for this match. Trust me no one is interested in WTC, you yourself always criticise test cricket.

IF Pakistan was not a weak team, then they would have prepared good pitches and attempted to defeat Australia. Afterall, they were having the home advantage and some very good bowlers like Shaheen Shah. What have they done here? They prepared substandard pitches and tried to make sure that all of the matches ends up in draw. If they are not a weak team, then what is the need for this? If this is the way test cricket is being played, then within a few decades it will exist only in the archives of the Wisden magazine.

Don't know if we can call it a dead pitch or perhaps both Australia and Pakistan team are strong teams and it is not easy to bowl them out.
I feel no issue if the three test matches are drawn. This shows that both teams were competitive and therefore both of them didn't gave any opportunity or showed any weakness against the opponents and the tests resulted in a draw.

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Quote from: romero121 on March 23, 2022, 02:45:43 AM

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The final and third test match is going to be a draw. Australia managed to score good, but Pakistan on the other side makes a much better start than Australia. In this match Smith has now become the record holder for most runs after 150 Test innings with 7993 runs. Previously this records were with Sachin Tendulkar and Sangakkara.

Aussies finally got first wicket of third day by dismissing Shafique on 81. If wickets keep falling with such pace then definitely we will have a draw. But you cant predict Pakistan team they may got out in blink of the eye. Pakistanis are playing too slow and with this pace they will score 250 runs by stumps.

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Quote from: galambo on March 23, 2022, 02:39:20 AM

Quote from: kro55 on March 23, 2022, 01:57:36 AM

You are right. The pitch is a batting pitch. And 391 runs on such a pitch is not enough. Pakistan lost their first wicket by just 20 runs. And till today they have collected 152 runs so far without losing any other wickets.
Abdullah Shafique is unbeaten on 75 and Azhar Ali is on 56. And their striker rate is less than 40. They are batting very well. Since today is the third day and looking at Pakistan's batting style, it looks like they will be able to bat all day today. So the match is most likely to be a draw.

It's very much likely that this match will end in a draw and series will end in a happy note for Pakistan i.e. they remain unbeaten at there home by mighty Aussies. One good thing that comes out from this series is Opener batsmen Shafique. He is playing consistently and scoring runs unlike the nepotism based opener Imam.

The final and third test match is going to be a draw. Australia managed to score good, but Pakistan on the other side makes a much better start than Australia. In this match Smith has now become the record holder for most runs after 150 Test innings with 7993 runs. Previously this records were with Sachin Tendulkar and Sangakkara.

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Quote from: kro55 on March 23, 2022, 01:57:36 AM

You are right. The pitch is a batting pitch. And 391 runs on such a pitch is not enough. Pakistan lost their first wicket by just 20 runs. And till today they have collected 152 runs so far without losing any other wickets.
Abdullah Shafique is unbeaten on 75 and Azhar Ali is on 56. And their striker rate is less than 40. They are batting very well. Since today is the third day and looking at Pakistan's batting style, it looks like they will be able to bat all day today. So the match is most likely to be a draw.

It's very much likely that this match will end in a draw and series will end in a happy note for Pakistan i.e. they remain unbeaten at there home by mighty Aussies. One good thing that comes out from this series is Opener batsmen Shafique. He is playing consistently and scoring runs unlike the nepotism based opener Imam.

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Quote from: LittleBitFunny on March 22, 2022, 03:22:50 PM

The pitch is a batting-friendly pitch. I expected better scores from the Australian batsmen. 391 runs on such a pitch does not seem to be enough. The Australians needed to collect at least 450 more. It is foolish to think that Pakistan will lose all their wickets very soon. We have seen Pakistan batting in the last two Tests. They have played very well in the previous two Tests.

You are right. The pitch is a batting pitch. And 391 runs on such a pitch is not enough. Pakistan lost their first wicket by just 20 runs. And till today they have collected 152 runs so far without losing any other wickets.
Abdullah Shafique is unbeaten on 75 and Azhar Ali is on 56. And their striker rate is less than 40. They are batting very well. Since today is the third day and looking at Pakistan's batting style, it looks like they will be able to bat all day today. So the match is most likely to be a draw.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on March 22, 2022, 09:06:04 PM

IF Pakistan was not a weak team, then they would have prepared good pitches and attempted to defeat Australia. Afterall, they were having the home advantage and some very good bowlers like Shaheen Shah. What have they done here? They prepared substandard pitches and tried to make sure that all of the matches ends up in draw. If they are not a weak team, then what is the need for this? If this is the way test cricket is being played, then within a few decades it will exist only in the archives of the Wisden magazine.

You are just sticking with one point i.e. pitch condition. People like you went silent when Pakistan team was all out on 148 in second test. When Pakistan came back in second innings you people again start criticising the pitch. You are very senior member in terms of contributing posts here, but saying that Pakistan is weak team really shows your hate for this team nothing else.

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Quote from: coinism on March 22, 2022, 05:46:10 AM

Are you sure Pakistan is weak team? They have one of the best boys these days. They don't play IPL that doesn't mean they are weak. Pakistan these days is as good as any best team these days. So far 11 wickets have been fallen and seems like we are having a result for this match. Trust me no one is interested in WTC, you yourself always criticise test cricket.

IF Pakistan was not a weak team, then they would have prepared good pitches and attempted to defeat Australia. Afterall, they were having the home advantage and some very good bowlers like Shaheen Shah. What have they done here? They prepared substandard pitches and tried to make sure that all of the matches ends up in draw. If they are not a weak team, then what is the need for this? If this is the way test cricket is being played, then within a few decades it will exist only in the archives of the Wisden magazine.

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Scared of the opponent sounds bit overstretch here. Yeah there might be some concern in Pakistan's camp because some of their bowlers were not fit to play but they are playing at home conditions, they could have easily introduce some young guy from the domestic, its not like there is shortage of gun speedster in the pakistan.

Another possible argument could be that they wanted to make sure game goes for all 5 days due to this historic series and end up making roads (Saying this because creating international cricket pitch take more than 1 month). Although as Indian supporter i'm happy that they didn't gave any spin practice to Aussie batting line up (Already staring at BG trophy). Grin

Actually, I didn't mean to say they are scared of the opponent

. I meant to say that they got scared because of their own injury problems. They had a few injuries Right before the series started.

So, that might have had a big impact on how the pitch was prepared. Before the series started I thought it is going to be a really close matter and the teams are going to have their work cut out but it was another story altogether. But the third test seems to be shaping up to have a result in my opinion.

Fair enough but some would argue that Pakistani seamers got injured just before the series and pitche takes long time to prepare ( minimum 10-15 days or max 2-3 months). So ground staff must be preparing for the roads long before the series started (in that case their players getting injured).

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I think the world test championship was not the best idea to give Test Cricket a boost. And I think all the cricket fans know and agree that out of anything the ashes was the best test series ever played.
So, instead of introducing the world test championship, I think it would have been better if the ICC could do something like the ashes. That would have been a lot better for test cricket in the long run.

WTC is not holy grail but its best possible solution to address test cricket's existing problems.

Before WTC, Bilateral test series had no relevance and no one was interested in tests, unless it's their team (Ashes, BT Trophy, Freedom Trophy and Ind vs Eng were outliers -Eyeballs +Revenue-) but due to WTC point system every series has some weightage and it play big part because now fair amount of fans keep an eye on the point table/random series because other teams can also dent their fav team's standing.

Even ICC know that it has many flows but its a more like WIP kind of situation for them and could take time to mature, given they keep updating the format or learn something from each WTC cycle. If not then i believe Relegation & Promotion Proposal is the solution.

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Quote from: lixer on March 22, 2022, 03:29:31 PM

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Australian batsmen were very much settled yet sadly got all out for 391 runs. Australia having upper hand but Naseem shah have bowled so well like never before. Every wicket that fell was a pure class. Excellent spell from Naseem, he has improved his fitness and bowling skills. Now Pakistan team have to bat really well because Aussies almost score 400 runs and pitch is additionally turning out to be somewhat slightly slow.

With Shaheen and Naseem both done some good work and takes 4 each wicket on this pitch mean tomorrow we can expect some good magic from Australian pacers as well because they are much experienced and have good quality and skills to manage things in positive way now all depend on Pakistani batsmen how their response in this inning if they capable to cross 500+ then surely we can expect some results because most chances on fourth and fifth day we will have some more help for bowlers which is interesting and taking lead in first inning could be very helpful for any team.

If Australia successful to catch Pakistani batsmen in quick way then surely this time they will have good result not like Karachi test.

I didn't believe last Time when most of the members bet on drawn series between India and Pakistan. Now many people are making bet that this series will be a drawn as well. And I would like to listen and go with the majority - because every time I make my own assumption it goes wrong. I hope I do not fail this time

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Australian batsmen were very much settled yet sadly got all out for 391 runs. Australia having upper hand but Naseem shah have bowled so well like never before. Every wicket that fell was a pure class. Excellent spell from Naseem, he has improved his fitness and bowling skills. Now Pakistan team have to bat really well because Aussies almost score 400 runs and pitch is additionally turning out to be somewhat slightly slow.

With Shaheen and Naseem both done some good work and takes 4 each wicket on this pitch mean tomorrow we can expect some good magic from Australian pacers as well because they are much experienced and have good quality and skills to manage things in positive way now all depend on Pakistani batsmen how their response in this inning if they capable to cross 500+ then surely we can expect some results because most chances on fourth and fifth day we will have some more help for bowlers which is interesting and taking lead in first inning could be very helpful for any team.

If Australia successful to catch Pakistani batsmen in quick way then surely this time they will have good result not like Karachi test.

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I think that the Pakistan cricket board knows very well about the impact their approach to the pitch has created. That also is a big reason why the pitch of the third test is not like the previous two. In this match, the bowlers are certainly finding some success, unlike the previous two test matches.

One other reason may be that both Australia and Pakistan teams of same level that's why are seeing tough competition. Still we have 3 more days to go and if Australia can get Pakistan out tomorrow and take lead of 100 or 200 then surely they are in a position to win this game. My guess is that it will be a draw.

The pitch is a batting-friendly pitch. I expected better scores from the Australian batsmen. 391 runs on such a pitch does not seem to be enough. The Australians needed to collect at least 450 more. It is foolish to think that Pakistan will lose all their wickets very soon. We have seen Pakistan batting in the last two Tests. They have played very well in the previous two Tests.

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Quote from: laurenB7742 on March 22, 2022, 12:48:03 PM

I think the world test championship was not the best idea to give Test Cricket a boost. And I think all the cricket fans know and agree that out of anything the ashes was the best test series ever played.
So, instead of introducing the world test championship, I think it would have been better if the ICC could do something like the ashes. That would have been a lot better for test cricket in the long run.

I agree with your statement about this but sadly right now ICC have no enough choices because with franchise cricket is already having big impact on this all and quality of test cricket is also going down day by day as we can watch few teams are going down very quickly, so they have done a good planning from their own prospective.

But, it's not having any positive impact, so they need to think about this again and try to manage some changes with having big fines for pitches like we already have in few countries and give some good funds to few countries which have good native players as they are able to work on their domestic set up and bring some good test playing guys with having some good quality and skills even it's all just thoughts because no one want to go with this all but still they can do something if they want to have some better hopes.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on March 21, 2022, 09:56:50 PM

Quote from: S A KHAIR on March 21, 2022, 03:44:02 PM

Test cricket is already at its all-time low in my opinion and if the culture of draws keeps going on I think it is only a matter of time before the test cricket loses everything that it had.
Anyway, I think the third test between Pakistan and Australia is shaping up quite nicely to have a result. It will be really nice to see Pakistan win this test match.

Stupidity from ICC is the prime reason for the demise of test cricket. When they launched the WTC, they were saying that the popularity of test format will receive a boost. However, we are seeing just the opposite of that right now. In order to gain points in WTC, weak teams like Pakistan and West Indies are preparing flat pitches and this is causing fans to completely abandon watching the test format. If we want good quality test matches, then there should be two real divisions in this format. The first division should comprise of the big-4 and one other country.

I think the world test championship was not the best idea to give Test Cricket a boost. And I think all the cricket fans know and agree that out of anything the ashes was the best test series ever played.
So, instead of introducing the world test championship, I think it would have been better if the ICC could do something like the ashes. That would have been a lot better for test cricket in the long run.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on March 22, 2022, 11:56:06 AM

I think that the Pakistan cricket board knows very well about the impact their approach to the pitch has created. That also is a big reason why the pitch of the third test is not like the previous two. In this match, the bowlers are certainly finding some success, unlike the previous two test matches.

One other reason may be that both Australia and Pakistan teams of same level that's why are seeing tough competition. Still we have 3 more days to go and if Australia can get Pakistan out tomorrow and take lead of 100 or 200 then surely they are in a position to win this game. My guess is that it will be a draw.

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Quote from: JSRAW on March 22, 2022, 06:51:17 AM

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Scared of the opponent sounds bit overstretch here. Yeah there might be some concern in Pakistan's camp because some of their bowlers were not fit to play but they are playing at home conditions, they could have easily introduce some young guy from the domestic, its not like there is shortage of gun speedster in the pakistan.

Another possible argument could be that they wanted to make sure game goes for all 5 days due to this historic series and end up making roads (Saying this because creating international cricket pitch take more than 1 month). Although as Indian supporter i'm happy that they didn't gave any spin practice to Aussie batting line up (Already staring at BG trophy). Grin

Actually, I didn't mean to say they are scared of the opponent

. I meant to say that they got scared because of their own injury problems. They had a few injuries Right before the series started.

So, that might have had a big impact on how the pitch was prepared. Before the series started I thought it is going to be a really close matter and the teams are going to have their work cut out but it was another story altogether. But the third test seems to be shaping up to have a result in my opinion.

Quote from: lixer on March 21, 2022, 04:08:03 PM

Surely this is main reason and already described by PCB Chairman Ramiz Raja after having some good criticism from around the cricket world about their these tactics against Australia which came after 24 years and secondly this was done for marketing purpose because we already watch some quick ends in India which give big loses to television channels and also BCCI even they can afford these all but PCB is having completely different situation, and they don't want to give any weak point but surely now they will prepare very good at coming series against England and New Zealand which are also coming in next few months for their respective tours for playing Test Matches, ODI and T20 after T20 World Cup in Australia in October.

I think that the Pakistan cricket board knows very well about the impact their approach to the pitch has created. That also is a big reason why the pitch of the third test is not like the previous two. In this match, the bowlers are certainly finding some success, unlike the previous two test matches.

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The defensive stance taken by the PCB (with regards to the pitch preparation) is above all an insult to the Pakistani bowlers. By preparing such sub-standard pitches, the PCB is indirectly hinting that their bowlers don't have the ability to take wickets in good tracks, and they are inferior to their Australian counterparts. This actually surprises me because for long Pakistan was considered as the pace powerhouse of South Asia. A lot many legendary pacers, including Shoaib Akhtar, Wasim Akram, Imran Khan, Aaquib Javed and Waqar Younis represented Pakistan in the past.

Actually, the Pakistan cricket board got scared because they had some injuries in their lineup. And I think they did not want to risk it.

So, they did not do anything stupid and bladed safe but that's the mistake they did in my opinion. I think at least they should have tried to look up and fight against Australia and give their bowlers a chance of showing what they are capable of. I think we are going to see something like that in the third test though.

Scared of the opponent sounds bit overstretch here. Yeah there might be some concern in Pakistan's camp because some of their bowlers were not fit to play but they are playing at home conditions, they could have easily introduce some young guy from the domestic, its not like there is shortage of gun speedster in the pakistan.

Another possible argument could be that they wanted to make sure game goes for all 5 days due to this historic series and end up making roads (Saying this because creating international cricket pitch take more than 1 month). Although as Indian supporter i'm happy that they didn't gave any spin practice to Aussie batting line up (Already staring at BG trophy). Grin

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Quote from: Sithara007 on March 21, 2022, 09:56:50 PM

Stupidity from ICC is the prime reason for the demise of test cricket. When they launched the WTC, they were saying that the popularity of test format will receive a boost. However, we are seeing just the opposite of that right now. In order to gain points in WTC, weak teams like Pakistan and West Indies are preparing flat pitches and this is causing fans to completely abandon watching the test format. If we want good quality test matches, then there should be two real divisions in this format. The first division should comprise of the big-4 and one other country.

Are you sure Pakistan is weak team? They have one of the best boys these days. They don't play IPL that doesn't mean they are weak. Pakistan these days is as good as any best team these days. So far 11 wickets have been fallen and seems like we are having a result for this match. Trust me no one is interested in WTC, you yourself always criticise test cricket.

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Shaheen Shah did take two early wickets but it was very early in the match. Now the things have settled and also the pitch look good for batting. Its too early to say who will win the match or whether this will be another draw.

After two dead and bore test matches now look like this third test match is also heading for this same result but still tomorrow first session is very important for both teams if Pakistan takes early wickets and bowled them before 325 then surely they can do some better just need some good score on board for some good interest in this match and if Australians have some good inning from remaining players then most chances we will have 0 - 0 for this series which could be the worst result of this year 2022 in most wanted test series after few decades.

Remember that Pakistan team collapsed in the first innings of the 2nd test match. If Australian team manages to score 350 runs, they can still get under pressure and may bowled out quickly. A lot depends on how the remaining five Australian batsmen play today. If they can survive the first session, i am sure the game will be in the hands of Aussies.

@JohnBitCo currently Australian batsmen look well settled and have scored 320 runs, and if they bat the entire day then this match will definitely end up in a boring draw. Lastly I don’t expect Pakistan’s batting lineup to collapse once again, hence unless they bowl out Australia quickly there’s no way a result can be achieved in this match.

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Quote from: dezoel on March 21, 2022, 04:10:34 PM

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Shaheen Shah did take two early wickets but it was very early in the match. Now the things have settled and also the pitch look good for batting. Its too early to say who will win the match or whether this will be another draw.

After two dead and bore test matches now look like this third test match is also heading for this same result but still tomorrow first session is very important for both teams if Pakistan takes early wickets and bowled them before 325 then surely they can do some better just need some good score on board for some good interest in this match and if Australians have some good inning from remaining players then most chances we will have 0 - 0 for this series which could be the worst result of this year 2022 in most wanted test series after few decades.

Remember that Pakistan team collapsed in the first innings of the 2nd test match. If Australian team manages to score 350 runs, they can still get under pressure and may bowled out quickly. A lot depends on how the remaining five Australian batsmen play today. If they can survive the first session, i am sure the game will be in the hands of Aussies.

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Quote from: S A KHAIR on March 21, 2022, 03:44:02 PM

Test cricket is already at its all-time low in my opinion and if the culture of draws keeps going on I think it is only a matter of time before the test cricket loses everything that it had.
Anyway, I think the third test between Pakistan and Australia is shaping up quite nicely to have a result. It will be really nice to see Pakistan win this test match.

Stupidity from ICC is the prime reason for the demise of test cricket. When they launched the WTC, they were saying that the popularity of test format will receive a boost. However, we are seeing just the opposite of that right now. In order to gain points in WTC, weak teams like Pakistan and West Indies are preparing flat pitches and this is causing fans to completely abandon watching the test format. If we want good quality test matches, then there should be two real divisions in this format. The first division should comprise of the big-4 and one other country.

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