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West Indies finished their first innings with 375 runs. It's a good enough collection. They were 64 runs ahead of England. However, England are showing impressive performance in their second innings. However, they lost Alex Lees' wicket early in the innings. Collection 127 runs losing only one wicket. Crawley 68 and Root is unbeaten on 47. I don't see any chance of England losing this match. As the second session of the fourth day is now underway, the match is more likely to be a draw.
Yeah, I think you are right. Because the days are gone when spectators enjoyed seeing the bowling of Glenn McGrath, Shane Warne, Muttiah Muralitharan, or Brett Lee. Now everyone wants to sleep almost every ball hit for a six. To be honest, in my opinion, cricket has become less skillful than it was before.
How about Shaheen Shah Afridi , Jasprit Bumrah, Mitchell Starc, Mohammad Amir, Rashid Khan, Shakib Al Hasan , Mohammad Nabi are a few of my favorite ones? These bowlers are talented and worth watching.
Every era has produced memorable bowlers. The modern day bowlers have got less favorable conditions but yet they produce excellent results.
What I actually think is obviously not a very popular opinion, but I think the bowlers of this era are far better than the bowlers in the past because now everyone is appreciated and rewarded for swinging their bat like a madman.
And people tend to enjoy that more than the class that the bowlers produce. Probably because bowling takes a lot of patience and the viewers of this era do not have the patience.
Pitches are more friendly to bowlers (We see plenty of results instead of draws) and batting has taken a fair amount of hit. Giving a Indian example, earlier India used to have excellent batters of spin, at least 5-6 players on top order and now look at current lot.
If this current Indian line up facing Ashwin-Jadeja then most of em would fail royally except couple of guys.
Right now the first innings of the West Indies have come to an end and they have collected 375 runs.
As I thought the lead would not be too big but they would certainly have a lead and that's exactly what happened, they have a lead of 64 runs, so much expected result.
Let's see how England approaches their innings.
England have a positive start of there second innings as they have collected 94 runs so far and lost just one wicket. Seems like this match will end in a draw. West Indies performance is this test is satisfactory and they have made it clear that they are capable of playing test cricket. Good to see something positive coming out of WI team.
Yeah, I think you are right. Because the days are gone when spectators enjoyed seeing the bowling of Glenn McGrath, Shane Warne, Muttiah Muralitharan, or Brett Lee. Now everyone wants to sleep almost every ball hit for a six. To be honest, in my opinion, cricket has become less skillful than it was before.
How about Shaheen Shah Afridi , Jasprit Bumrah, Mitchell Starc, Mohammad Amir, Rashid Khan, Shakib Al Hasan , Mohammad Nabi are a few of my favorite ones? These bowlers are talented and worth watching.
Every era has produced memorable bowlers. The modern day bowlers have got less favorable conditions but yet they produce excellent results.
What I actually think is obviously not a very popular opinion, but I think the bowlers of this era are far better than the bowlers in the past because now everyone is appreciated and rewarded for swinging their bat like a madman.
And people tend to enjoy that more than the class that the bowlers produce. Probably because bowling takes a lot of patience and the viewers of this era do not have the patience.
I think if I say England played well I will be wrong because it's Jonny Bairstow who alone held the innings together, and he just got out on 140 as the 1st innings of England came to a close.
They scored 311 runs and West Indies will come out to back after a break. I think West Indies need to survive the initial onslaught and stay on the pitch. after that, the runs will eventually come.
Now Bonner and Jason Holder at crease and West Indies is still trailing by 160 runs match is in very interesting position bowlers bring back England in game with their good effort now this last good pair is trying to hold inning for home team if English bowlers can take one or two more wickets than surely they can take some good lead and sit on driving seat for this match because they are doing right job after wicket of Braithwaite's aggressive inning they are controlling very wisely.They scored 311 runs and West Indies will come out to back after a break. I think West Indies need to survive the initial onslaught and stay on the pitch. after that, the runs will eventually come.
Now we have 25 overs remaining in today's play, so both teams will try to keep better position for tomorrow and rest of match, here we have very fascinating next few days of this test match. Holder is a key player for West Indies in this situation if he stays for some time then surely he can change this game for his side very positively with his batting after doing some good bowling early.
Right now the first innings of the West Indies have come to an end and they have collected 375 runs.
As I thought the lead would not be too big but they would certainly have a lead and that's exactly what happened, they have a lead of 64 runs, so much expected result.
Let's see how England approaches their innings.
Windies deserve proper bashing for their sorry state but why are we forgetting that they are pretty good competitor and bring their best when playing against poms. In last 50 years England won only series in Windies. They successfully beat the England in last home series and as far as i remember they were okay-ish on away England tour too, couple of years back when covid started.
Agreed. Even then, I am not sure how the West Indies players are going to perform, when they meet England in the next series. With each passing year, their test playing capability is going down. Pace bowling is still OK, but in batting and spin departments they are facing serious issues. I am not sure whether any tours to the sub-continent are planned in the next few months. If so, they will face a lot of issues due to the lack of quality spinners. And batting is shit ever since Chanderpaul was forced to retire.
But i'm positive that they will shit their bed when touring Subcontinent. Indian tour will be one sided as usual but every visiting team struggle against India at home so can't blame them. Same could be said when they are playing against Pak. Series against Ban and SL would be interesting one, last time they made a historical comeback in Bangladesh. Roston Chase is good spinner. He's not Ashwin-Jadeja but he's okay in subcontinent but again its hard to win a series in subcontinent if you have only 1 frontline spinner.
I don't know if they tour Aus+NZ+SA anymore. Don't remember any specific series in last 4-5 years.
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I have said this numerous times. West Indies should not be playing test cricket. They are good in T20, and to an extent in ODI cricket. But the players look clueless when it comes to test cricket. Gone are the days when they had legendary players like Shivnarine Chanderpaul, Ramnaresh Sarwan, Courtney Walsh and Curtly Ambrose, who were tailor-made for test cricket. Now all they have is a bunch of T20 specialists, who are not suitable for test cricket. England on the other hand have separate squads for different formats, so they are able to fare better. Well, in that case West Indies might prove me wrong this time because they are playing quite well against England in this test match. They bowled out England for 311 runs. West Indies innings has also ended and they have collected 375 runs. Now they are ahead by 64 runs and England will come to bat shortly after the break
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WI side is still trailing by 109 runs and they have 5 batters. They still can reach the target but I doubt they will be able to put on lead. Holder is on 43 and WI need a big innings from him now. England bowlers did a good job on getting quick wickets. Westindies took the lead in the second innings and they are leading by 64 runs at the end of the innings. They have collected 375 runs and England is going to come to bat now
Windies deserve proper bashing for their sorry state but why are we forgetting that they are pretty good competitor and bring their best when playing against poms. In last 50 years England won only series in Windies. They successfully beat the England in last home series and as far as i remember they were okay-ish on away England tour too, couple of years back when covid started.
The problem with West Indies right now seems to be that they don't have enough depth in their batting lineup. They have people who can smash the ball out of the park but they need someone who is reliable and dependable under pressure.
Pakistan has started to lead to the right decisions and it's good that they have stated that they are not going to play in any neutral venues. I think this was a necessary step for Pakistan to take because otherwise, they would have had to wait a lot more time to have a series played on their soil. And there are no reason to compare Bollywood with Lollywood because it just does not make any sense.
Aussies have taken a big step of touring a country after 2 years and that too Pakistan. The first test is over and 2 more tests to go before we have ODI series and T20I series. Playing at neutral venues is also giving PCB huge financial loss as all money earned is given to UAE for ground lease and to cover other stuff.
Pakistan need to make sure Aussies tour went successful and that will help bringing rest of the world to Pakistan.
In Karachi on March 11, Mitchell Swepson is set to make his Test debut against Pakistan as a leg-spinner. Hazlewood is out due to injury. Hopefully, the pitch will be sporting and help spinners.
Agreed. Even then, I am not sure how the West Indies players are going to perform, when they meet England in the next series. With each passing year, their test playing capability is going down. Pace bowling is still OK, but in batting and spin departments they are facing serious issues. I am not sure whether any tours to the sub-continent are planned in the next few months. If so, they will face a lot of issues due to the lack of quality spinners. And batting is shit ever since Chanderpaul was forced to retire.
Can't say about future but WI right now are performing too good against England at there home. They won T20 series 3-2 and now in comfortable position in first test. Shivnarine Chanderpaul has played 163 test for WI in time span of 21 years after 21 years you have to leave. Those who leave themselves earn respect others are forced to retire because new players need to check in.
I am not sure from where you came to the conclusion the WI is in a comfortable position. They have a lead of just 62 runs and have already lost 9 wickets. This match is going nowhere, the chance of this match being drawn is very high. There are only 2 days left in this match and I am sure WI will be all out on day 4. England's top order collapsed in the first session the same will be repeated and they will surely drag this match till day 5 and that's it.
Don't know how you calculated that as first England has to play the 2nd innings and give a suitable target to WI. Also West Indies have 62 runs lead due to which England need more time to give a proper winning target. I think that we do not have enough time left in this test match and it is surely heading for draw. A collapse of England again is also possible. Lets see what develops from here.
Pakistan has started to lead to the right decisions and it's good that they have stated that they are not going to play in any neutral venues. I think this was a necessary step for Pakistan to take because otherwise, they would have had to wait a lot more time to have a series played on their soil. And there are no reason to compare Bollywood with Lollywood because it just does not make any sense.
Aussies have taken a big step of touring a country after 2 years and that too Pakistan. The first test is over and 2 more tests to go before we have ODI series and T20I series. Playing at neutral venues is also giving PCB huge financial loss as all money earned is given to UAE for ground lease and to cover other stuff.
Pakistan need to make sure Aussies tour went successful and that will help bringing rest of the world to Pakistan.
I don't think Pakistan would refuse to any event. They never did. No matter what happens they are always ready to do the game. I have seen many people and countries refusing to coming to Pakistan. For example the big Bollywood names hardly visit Pakistan but Lollywood actors run to India even for the side roles. Likewise most of the countries refuse coming to Pakistan, but Pakistani run to those countries. There is nothing like a lion in there - there is always a self interest there.
Why are you comparing bollywood lollywood to the cricket industry 
Both are different industries and Bollywood is far ahead as compared to the Pakistani movie industry. The local actors here will keep on going to the big industry but have u ever found a Pakistani cricketer going to India?And regarding, Pakistan never refuses the cricket tours even though other teams do not visit Pakistan, well that was past. Now teams have to play in Pakistan and live example is the world best best playing in Pakistan with its full strength. That's what we call a change
Pakistan has started to lead to the right decisions and it's good that they have stated that they are not going to play in any neutral venues. I think this was a necessary step for Pakistan to take because otherwise, they would have had to wait a lot more time to have a series played on their soil. And there are no reason to compare Bollywood with Lollywood because it just does not make any sense.
Agreed. Even then, I am not sure how the West Indies players are going to perform, when they meet England in the next series. With each passing year, their test playing capability is going down. Pace bowling is still OK, but in batting and spin departments they are facing serious issues. I am not sure whether any tours to the sub-continent are planned in the next few months. If so, they will face a lot of issues due to the lack of quality spinners. And batting is shit ever since Chanderpaul was forced to retire.
Can't say about future but WI right now are performing too good against England at there home. They won T20 series 3-2 and now in comfortable position in first test. Shivnarine Chanderpaul has played 163 test for WI in time span of 21 years after 21 years you have to leave. Those who leave themselves earn respect others are forced to retire because new players need to check in.
I am not sure from where you came to the conclusion the WI is in a comfortable position. They have a lead of just 62 runs and have already lost 9 wickets. This match is going nowhere, the chance of this match being drawn is very high. There are only 2 days left in this match and I am sure WI will be all out on day 4. England's top order collapsed in the first session the same will be repeated and they will surely drag this match till day 5 and that's it.
Agreed. Even then, I am not sure how the West Indies players are going to perform, when they meet England in the next series. With each passing year, their test playing capability is going down. Pace bowling is still OK, but in batting and spin departments they are facing serious issues. I am not sure whether any tours to the sub-continent are planned in the next few months. If so, they will face a lot of issues due to the lack of quality spinners. And batting is shit ever since Chanderpaul was forced to retire.
Can't say about future but WI right now are performing too good against England at there home. They won T20 series 3-2 and now in comfortable position in first test. Shivnarine Chanderpaul has played 163 test for WI in time span of 21 years after 21 years you have to leave. Those who leave themselves earn respect others are forced to retire because new players need to check in.
Windies deserve proper bashing for their sorry state but why are we forgetting that they are pretty good competitor and bring their best when playing against poms. In last 50 years England won only series in Windies. They successfully beat the England in last home series and as far as i remember they were okay-ish on away England tour too, couple of years back when covid started.
Agreed. Even then, I am not sure how the West Indies players are going to perform, when they meet England in the next series. With each passing year, their test playing capability is going down. Pace bowling is still OK, but in batting and spin departments they are facing serious issues. I am not sure whether any tours to the sub-continent are planned in the next few months. If so, they will face a lot of issues due to the lack of quality spinners. And batting is shit ever since Chanderpaul was forced to retire.
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If they fail then surely they can face another defeat which could be the worst for them as West Indies is also very poor team right now. Just before end of today Lawrence take second wicket of his career as he removes Bonner.
I was also not expecting West Indies to take a lead in the first innings, but Nkrumah Bonner played one of the slowest innings i have seen in a very long time and the team to a good position. Checked out the profile of Nkrumah Bonner and he usually plays this slow but this is the first time i am seeing him play and to have a strike rate of 35 in 16 innings was surprising If they fail then surely they can face another defeat which could be the worst for them as West Indies is also very poor team right now. Just before end of today Lawrence take second wicket of his career as he removes Bonner.
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West Indies lost 7 wickets and managed to collect 299 runs. Now the game is going on in the second innings of the third day. Bonner is still at the crease with 88 runs scored. And I don't think it would be a problem for the West Indies to score more than 350 runs. Most likely the match will be a draw. If West Indies bat the whole day, then the chances of a draw are highest.
West Indies has already taken a small lead in the game. Nkrumah Bonner is at 98 runs now. They aren't playing aggressively. Currently the game is in balanced situation, but West Indies has the opportunity to take the match on their favour. They should try to take a good lead from here. The pitch has behaved averagely until now. I think it will be a bit more helpful for the bowlers on the final two days. We might see a winner of this game.If they fail then surely they can face another defeat which could be the worst for them as West Indies is also very poor team right now. Just before end of today Lawrence take second wicket of his career as he removes Bonner.
So far the game is very much balanced towards both team. On 3rd day we can see which team is in command of the game, England need to bowl out WI before 300 total and should bat well in second innings to win the game. WI aim from here should be to score 350 runs.
West Indies lost 7 wickets and managed to collect 299 runs. Now the game is going on in the second innings of the third day. Bonner is still at the crease with 88 runs scored. And I don't think it would be a problem for the West Indies to score more than 350 runs. Most likely the match will be a draw. If West Indies bat the whole day, then the chances of a draw are highest.@umerIdrees - I have the same concern, seems like you are the right person to ask this. Why did NZ team ran away before the start of the series, I read it on internet that Pakistan PM, who himself is a cricketer went to the field himself and assured them that everything is fine even he spoke to NZ PM but they refused to play and went back. I have heard the same rumors in Aussie case, but seem like they are a bit daring to take the stand.
Well NZ team received some suspicious email that they will be attacked if they play the series in Pakistan. They decided to fly back. It was their own decision or it was influenced by BCCI, the details are not public.
It's their stance and will that they opted for what they think was best for them but they didn't know what was coming afterward. Later everyone told them that they did wrong.
Pakistan got more strong with their verdict and we gave a clear statement that if any country wants to play with us, they need to come and play here. Best security will be granted and No neutral grounds will be accepted. If Australians had refused this tour, we would not have gone next year to their country.
Lesson:- Be strong, be a lion and the world will respect you.
Why are you comparing bollywood lollywood to the cricket industry
Both are different industries and Bollywood is far ahead as compared to the Pakistani movie industry. The local actors here will keep on going to the big industry but have u ever found a Pakistani cricketer going to India?And regarding, Pakistan never refuses the cricket tours even though other teams do not visit Pakistan, well that was past. Now teams have to play in Pakistan and live example is the world best best playing in Pakistan with its full strength. That's what we call a change
West Indies VS England
So far the game is very much balanced towards both team. On 3rd day we can see which team is in command of the game, England need to bowl out WI before 300 total and should bat well in second innings to win the game. WI aim from here should be to score 350 runs. West Indies lost 7 wickets and managed to collect 299 runs. Now the game is going on in the second innings of the third day. Bonner is still at the crease with 88 runs scored. And I don't think it would be a problem for the West Indies to score more than 350 runs. Most likely the match will be a draw. If West Indies bat the whole day, then the chances of a draw are highest.
England played badly on the first day but they played much better later. Their team has been able to give a good lead for Johnny Bdxb. In the position they are in now, it is better to say that England will win or the game will be a draw. But I don't think West Indies can win? At the end of it all, England made 311/10 while West Indies made 223/5. They still have 5 wickets in hand. If they can give a lead of 200 runs then it will be much better for them.
Third day play has started and West Indies have lost well settled batsmen Jason Holder on 45 runs. Now responsibility lies on the shoulder of Nkrumah Bonner who is not out on 50 runs and England will try there best to get rid of Nkrumah Bonner as early as possible. West Indies need to level England score of first innings in order to stay in the game. Jump to: