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Quote from: Haunebu on June 08, 2021, 01:59:05 PM

It all comes down to whether his behaviour actually changed since then in my opinion. The ECB needs to investigate him thoroughly and if they find evidence that he hasn't changed his behaviour since then, the suspension is justified.

On the other hand, if they find evidence that he changed his behaviour, the suspension should be lifted immediately and he should be allowed to rejoin the squad asap.

Michael Holding, Michael Vaughan etc share similar views. No matter what the verdict is, his reputation definitely took a big blow.

One decade old tweet is not a valid reason to ban a player. The ECB seems to be in a desperate attempt to show off their political correctness. I don't think that they would have taken the same approach, if the player was Muslim or Black. If Ollie Robinson had exhibited any such behavior during the recent times, then I would have supported disciplinary action against him. But they are digging up his history and trying to find a reason to destroy his career. And now everything has got political, with the left-wing Labor party supporting the ECB move and the governing Conservatives opposing it.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on June 08, 2021, 12:14:18 PM

The tweets in question were posted in 2012, when he was 17 years old). I would say that this is the height of stupidity. What next? Are they going to ban some other player, claiming that when he was an infant he showed dislike towards darker shades? And then we have clowns like Michael Carberry applauding the move by ECB.

It all comes down to whether his behaviour actually changed since then in my opinion. The ECB needs to investigate him thoroughly and if they find evidence that he hasn't changed his behaviour since then, the suspension is justified.

On the other hand, if they find evidence that he changed his behaviour, the suspension should be lifted immediately and he should be allowed to rejoin the squad asap.

Michael Holding, Michael Vaughan etc share similar views. No matter what the verdict is, his reputation definitely took a big blow.

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Since Ollie Robinson has been suspended, Dom Bess will be replacing him for the second test. I don't have a good opinion about Bess and he was horrible during the series against India. On the other hand, Trent Boult will be joining the New Zealand squad, thanks to relaxed quarantine requirements. However, the New Zealand selectors seems to be in a dilemma. I would prefer leaving out either Mitchell Santner or Colin de Grandhomme. But there are talks on resting either one of the three frontline seamers who played in the first test.

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Quote from: Haunebu on June 08, 2021, 11:53:05 AM

Looks like the situation in the England camp is pretty bad currently thanks to the Ollie Robinson suspension which stunned many including me. This is a big blow since he performed well with both bat and ball against NZ.

Seems that another English cricketer is under investigation for his tweets though his name hasn't been disclosed yet. Karma is kicking them for their stupidity.

It is a really bad situation and i hate people going after something that is said and done a decade ago which is stupidity and these people do that to hurt their career for the mistakes they made and they wont be satisfied even if they apologize for those mistakes and their only aim for them is to see them suffer emotionally, these cancel culture is a real cancer and we should get rid of that.

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Quote from: Haunebu on June 08, 2021, 11:53:05 AM

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Looks like the situation in the England camp is pretty bad currently thanks to the Ollie Robinson suspension which stunned many including me. This is a big blow since he performed well with both bat and ball against NZ.

Seems that another English cricketer is under investigation for his tweets though his name hasn't been disclosed yet. Karma is kicking them for their stupidity.

Disappointed with the over-reaction from ECB. They want to show that they are politically correct and gave a disproportionate punishment to inexperienced Ollie Robinson for tweets made more than a decade ago (when he was a minor). The tweets in question were posted in 2012, when he was 17 years old). I would say that this is the height of stupidity. What next? Are they going to ban some other player, claiming that when he was an infant he showed dislike towards darker shades? And then we have clowns like Michael Carberry applauding the move by ECB.

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Looks like the situation in the England camp is pretty bad currently thanks to the Ollie Robinson suspension which stunned many including me. This is a big blow since he performed well with both bat and ball against NZ.

Seems that another English cricketer is under investigation for his tweets though his name hasn't been disclosed yet. Karma is kicking them for their stupidity.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on June 07, 2021, 06:14:52 PM

I thought they will go into defensive mode and that is when they will start loosing wickets as players are not that great in solid defense and some do not have the patience to stay in the crease for a longer period of time without striking the ball and the good news for New Zealand is that Trent Boult will be playing in the next match and then it is going to be a different ball game as England will be struggling if they are not careful.

Boult will boost the Kiwi bowling lineup, but the question here is whom he will replace. Wagner, Southee and Jamieson performed exceptionally well during the first test. Santner is the lone spin bowling option and there is a chance that he will be dropped to make way for Boult. But IMO a better option would be to replace de Grandhomme with Boult. The former is not in great form anyway. But the selectors may be wary, of replacing an all rounder with a bowler (who is also a tail end batsman).

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Quote from: Sithara007 on June 06, 2021, 09:53:50 PM

The England inning stabilized only when they went in to the defensive mode, with Dom Sibley and Joe Root scoring at snail's pace. That frustrated the Kiwi pace bowlers and made sure that wickets don't fall on regular intervals. The original target was to score 4 runs per over, which I thought was not possible on the 5th day.

I thought they will go into defensive mode and that is when they will start loosing wickets as players are not that great in solid defense and some do not have the patience to stay in the crease for a longer period of time without striking the ball and the good news for New Zealand is that Trent Boult will be playing in the next match and then it is going to be a different ball game as England will be struggling if they are not careful.

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Quote from: ene1980 on June 06, 2021, 06:58:01 PM

England played smart when they were asked to chase a reasonable total and i initially thought they will go for the win but they played a clam and composed innings rather than at any point of time looked like chasing the total, i thought they should have tried to chase down the total and if they loose wickets could change their plans but i am disappointed that they did not even attempt to do that.

I thought that England did the right thing. There was hardly any chance that they could win the match against such a quality pace bowling attack, especially after New Zealand managed to get two quick wickets. The England inning stabilized only when they went in to the defensive mode, with Dom Sibley and Joe Root scoring at snail's pace. That frustrated the Kiwi pace bowlers and made sure that wickets don't fall on regular intervals. The original target was to score 4 runs per over, which I thought was not possible on the 5th day.

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Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on June 06, 2021, 06:07:11 PM

England and New Zealand ended in a draw, if not for the rain delay i thought New Zealand could win the match.

England played smart when they were asked to chase a reasonable total and i initially thought they will go for the win but they played a clam and composed innings rather than at any point of time looked like chasing the total, i thought they should have tried to chase down the total and if they loose wickets could change their plans but i am disappointed that they did not even attempt to do that.

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Quote from: JSRAW on June 05, 2021, 09:48:12 PM

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They actually did (except new guys) and lost 2 test match series.

I do not remember that series but New Zealand is the only place they are yet to win a Test series if that is the case and if i remember correctly they already won in other countries or atleast drawn the series but i do not remember any good performance in New Zealand but i think the current India team can change that and win the series as they have the bowlers and if there is a support from the batting unit they can win, if not it is going to be really close matches.

England and New Zealand ended in a draw, if not for the rain delay i thought New Zealand could win the match.

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Quote from: eaLiTy on June 06, 2021, 07:38:48 AM

The match between England and New Zealand will be ending in a draw, i thought New Zealand had a good chance to win the match but unfortunately rain has dented the plans of New Zealand and they have declared their second innings and England have a target of 269 to win the match and they have around 73 overs to get to that score and it is a bold decision by New Zealand.

New Zealand won't be disappointed though. For them, this series will act as practice matches for the WTC final. And the Kiwi players are in very good form, especially Devon Conway, Tim Southee and Kyle Jamieson. And I am specifically concerned about Jamieson, as he has created a few issues for the Indian batsmen in the past. The only concern for New Zealand should be the poor form of Neil Wagner. I would still say that he is one of the best test bowling options they have. But if his form doesn't improve, then he needs to be replaced with Boult.

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The match between England and New Zealand will be ending in a draw, i thought New Zealand had a good chance to win the match but unfortunately rain has dented the plans of New Zealand and they have declared their second innings and England have a target of 269 to win the match and they have around 73 overs to get to that score and it is a bold decision by New Zealand.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on June 06, 2021, 05:21:32 AM

A few days ago we saw the Test matches in Sri Lanka. All the pitches have helped the batsmen and the batsmen of both the teams have collected a lot of runs. The matches were complete without any excitement. If they make a bowler-friendly pitch, the match may end in 3 days, the broadcasters may be dissatisfied, but it will be exciting for the general audience. However, cricket boards will definitely look at their financial gain and please the broadcasters.

Those matches were just horrible. It was hard even to watch 10-15 minutes live on TV. The players were doing their job as if they need to complete some formality and both the sides were not aiming to win the match. On top of that, there were rain interruptions as well. But still, the TV broadcasters will prefer these matches to those which gets finished in 2-3 days. Because the advertisement slots are sold much before the start of the match. The amount will not be reimbursed if the match turns out to be a boring one. But the amount needs to be reimbursed, in case the match gets finished in two days and the ad can't be shown during the live match.

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Quote from: RamBahadur.Gurung on June 06, 2021, 12:22:34 AM

Quote from: UmerIdrees on June 05, 2021, 11:04:44 PM

That' would be great for the cricket and for the spectators also.

I wish if ICC could take this advise seriously and implement in coming T20 Worldcup Wink

The impact of pitch condition on the outcome of the game is always overemphasized in cricket. It is summer season in England and the pitches in general will be more friendly towards the spinners and the batsmen. And nowadays we rarely see pace friendly pitches. Even WACA and Kingsmead have now become batsmen friendly. In the end, it is always down to the financial considerations. A bowler friendly pitch means that the test match will be over in 3 days and the TV broadcasters may remain unhappy.

A few days ago we saw the Test matches in Sri Lanka. All the pitches have helped the batsmen and the batsmen of both the teams have collected a lot of runs. The matches were complete without any excitement. If they make a bowler-friendly pitch, the match may end in 3 days, the broadcasters may be dissatisfied, but it will be exciting for the general audience. However, cricket boards will definitely look at their financial gain and please the broadcasters.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on June 05, 2021, 11:04:44 PM

That' would be great for the cricket and for the spectators also.

I wish if ICC could take this advise seriously and implement in coming T20 Worldcup Wink

The impact of pitch condition on the outcome of the game is always overemphasized in cricket. It is summer season in England and the pitches in general will be more friendly towards the spinners and the batsmen. And nowadays we rarely see pace friendly pitches. Even WACA and Kingsmead have now become batsmen friendly. In the end, it is always down to the financial considerations. A bowler friendly pitch means that the test match will be over in 3 days and the TV broadcasters may remain unhappy.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on June 05, 2021, 11:04:44 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on June 05, 2021, 10:31:12 PM

IMO Its Kinda bizarre to think that ICC would prepare pitch favorable to any team, let alone India. If that was the case then every wc final would be between India vs Pakistan.

That' would be great for the cricket and for the spectators also.

I wish if ICC could take this advise seriously and implement in coming T20 Worldcup Wink

In your dreams 😉😉 and in reality it would never happen.

I can't comment on the pitch condition but I can say that England will be having favourable conditions as they are playing at home.

Sometimes players also need to enjoy and relax.

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Quote from: JSRAW on June 05, 2021, 10:31:12 PM

IMO Its Kinda bizarre to think that ICC would prepare pitch favorable to any team, let alone India. If that was the case then every wc final would be between India vs Pakistan.

That' would be great for the cricket and for the spectators also.

I wish if ICC could take this advise seriously and implement in coming T20 Worldcup Wink

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Quote from: Sithara007 on June 05, 2021, 09:57:47 PM

Quote from: JSRAW on June 05, 2021, 09:00:50 AM

The way Kiwis are playing, i have a serious doubt of India winning the WTC finals. Kiwis going to roll over Indians for sure, conditions are much more favorable to kiwis, its like Indians playing in Srilanka against any SENA countires and calling it neutral ground Grin

and 2 practice match with England going to help them drastically.

Hope kohli wins the toss then we might able to see some competition.

Indians are taking this as a vacation, and that is why Kohli, Shastri and the rest of the team arrived with their families. New Zealand players are working hard on the other side, playing the test series against England as preparation. It needs to be seen how the pitch will be prepared. ICC has more to gain, if India performs better. So in all probability, they will prepare a flat surface with some assistance to the spinners. That will take the venom out of the much feared Kiwi pace attack, comprising of Jamieson, Southee, Boult and Wagner.

Very much possible but don't forget this is a long tour and after the finals they are playing with the England so overall its 3 month tour for them.

IMO Its Kinda bizarre to think that ICC would prepare pitch favorable to any team, let alone India. If that was the case then every wc final would be between India vs Pakistan.

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Quote from: JSRAW on June 05, 2021, 09:00:50 AM

The way Kiwis are playing, i have a serious doubt of India winning the WTC finals. Kiwis going to roll over Indians for sure, conditions are much more favorable to kiwis, its like Indians playing in Srilanka against any SENA countires and calling it neutral ground Grin

and 2 practice match with England going to help them drastically.

Hope kohli wins the toss then we might able to see some competition.

Indians are taking this as a vacation, and that is why Kohli, Shastri and the rest of the team arrived with their families. New Zealand players are working hard on the other side, playing the test series against England as preparation. It needs to be seen how the pitch will be prepared. ICC has more to gain, if India performs better. So in all probability, they will prepare a flat surface with some assistance to the spinners. That will take the venom out of the much feared Kiwi pace attack, comprising of Jamieson, Southee, Boult and Wagner.

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