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Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on June 14, 2021, 06:59:17 PM

If Ashwin is in the team then Sundar and Jadeja will be in the bench, it is a difficult team selection which is good to have and i was surprised that you did not pick Rahane as an automatic selection. India should go with Bumrah, Shami and Siraj as the pace trio and they can really trouble any batting line up and i am really excited to see India play the finals.

Nothing is certain. Given the complete dominance Virat Kohli is having on the selection, I won't be surprised if he goes with two spinners - Ashwin and Sundar. And I would still prefer Ishant over Siraj, due to his experience. For me, Siraj is yet to prove himself on the international arena, despite a lot of hype surrounding him. I would rate Rahane as another overhyped player, and won't be surprised if he is overlooked for selection. His performance during the test series against England was very unsatisfactory.

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Quote from: JSRAW on June 14, 2021, 10:31:36 AM

Choosing the Playing XI would be very tough task for the Shastri and Kohli.
I tried to select my playing XI but don't have any idea, who should sit out for the finals. Every player looking match winner due to their recent performance.
Gill, Rohit, Pujara, Kohli, Pant, Ashwin, Bumrah could make into team easily.

If Ashwin is in the team then Sundar and Jadeja will be in the bench, it is a difficult team selection which is good to have and i was surprised that you did not pick Rahane as an automatic selection. India should go with Bumrah, Shami and Siraj as the pace trio and they can really trouble any batting line up and i am really excited to see India play the finals.

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Quote from: Haunebu on June 13, 2021, 03:53:14 PM

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All eyes are on Pant. The big advantage that India has over NZ are consistent tail-enders like Ashwin etc who can bat when necessary though some of NZ's tail-enders can bat well too.

Pant was the savior from a wicket keeper who drops catches to a match changing performer against Australia changed his fortunes as well and it will be difficult to replace him as well. If the top order is able to build partnerships then the middle order and the lower order will chip in and make the necessary runs required and the bowlers will do the rest as they have the ability to trouble any team.

I am also curious to see which are the players they will be selecting for the WTC finals.

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Quote from: Iranus on June 14, 2021, 11:38:02 AM

You are right. The New Zealand team is in great form now. Against their strong batting lineup, India definitely needs first-class skilled bowlers. The most experienced bowlers in the country will have to form a squad against New Zealand. Bumrah and Mohammad Sami must be in the squad.

The curator (Simon Lee) has already stated that the pitch will be offering a lot of bounce and seam movement:

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/wtc-final-pitch-ind-vs-nz-southampton-curator-aims-for-pace-bounce-and-carry-1266382

So I don't expect the Indians to include Ashwin or any other full-time spinner in the playing XI. For me, the choice of pacers will be Bumrah/Shami/Ishant, as they have the most experience. One advantage for New Zealand is that they are quite acclimatized to the English conditions now, after the test series against the hosts. On the other hand, the Indians have refused to play any warmup matches (as usual).

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New Zealand are now in remarkable form in the Test format. All of their players are in form now. They have done a great job against England. If the pitch is pace depends then Ashwin will not be able to bowl well. India must be included in the experienced pacer in the squad. It is foolish to keep spinners on the pace helping pitch. They will not be able to perform as expected.

It will be interesting to see the selection of Indian pacers. Ideally they should go for the most experienced players - Jasprit Bumrah, Ishant Sharma, Mohammed Shami. However, there maybe a temptation to opt for bowlers such as Shardul Thakur and Mohammed Siraj, since they can also bat a bit. I would warn against this. Against a strong batting side such as New Zealand, India needs the best and the most experienced bowlers. I don't think that Shardul and Siraj has the temperament to perform against such a strong side.

You are right. The New Zealand team is in great form now. Against their strong batting lineup, India definitely needs first-class skilled bowlers. The most experienced bowlers in the country will have to form a squad against New Zealand. Bumrah and Mohammad Sami must be in the squad.

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Choosing the Playing XI would be very tough task for the Shastri and Kohli.

I tried to select my playing XI but don't have any idea, who should sit out for the finals. Every player looking match winner due to their recent performance.

Gill, Rohit, Pujara, Kohli, Pant, Ashwin, Bumrah could make into team easily.

Should India chose Sundar and Thakur duo over Rahane-Vihari? Cause they brings batting depth along with their Spin-Pace overs. (or may be drop Vihari and pick seamer Thakur)

Need 2 more seamers and choices are Ishant-Shami-Siraj.

Where should we fit Jadeja here? lol Grin

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Quote from: Iranus on June 14, 2021, 12:31:17 AM

New Zealand are now in remarkable form in the Test format. All of their players are in form now. They have done a great job against England. If the pitch is pace depends then Ashwin will not be able to bowl well. India must be included in the experienced pacer in the squad. It is foolish to keep spinners on the pace helping pitch. They will not be able to perform as expected.

It will be interesting to see the selection of Indian pacers. Ideally they should go for the most experienced players - Jasprit Bumrah, Ishant Sharma, Mohammed Shami. However, there maybe a temptation to opt for bowlers such as Shardul Thakur and Mohammed Siraj, since they can also bat a bit. I would warn against this. Against a strong batting side such as New Zealand, India needs the best and the most experienced bowlers. I don't think that Shardul and Siraj has the temperament to perform against such a strong side.

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Quote from: Haunebu on June 13, 2021, 03:53:14 PM

All eyes are on Pant. The big advantage that India has over NZ are consistent tail-enders like Ashwin etc who can bat when necessary though some of NZ's tail-enders can bat well too.

Historically, New Zealand had the best tail end batsmen in world cricket. I agree that Trent Boult and Neil Wagner are more like genuine tail enders. But Mitchell Santner, Tim Southee and Kyle Jamieson are the ones who can build valuable partnerships down the order. And regarding Ashwin, I don't think that he will be included in the playing XI, since his record on pitches that don't support spin is not good. In all probability, the first choice spinner for India is going to be Washington Sundar. Ravindra Jadeja will be there as the all rounder and I don't think that they need more spin options.

New Zealand are now in remarkable form in the Test format. All of their players are in form now. They have done a great job against England. If the pitch is pace depends then Ashwin will not be able to bowl well. India must be included in the experienced pacer in the squad. It is foolish to keep spinners on the pace helping pitch. They will not be able to perform as expected.

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Quote from: Haunebu on June 13, 2021, 03:53:14 PM

All eyes are on Pant. The big advantage that India has over NZ are consistent tail-enders like Ashwin etc who can bat when necessary though some of NZ's tail-enders can bat well too.

Historically, New Zealand had the best tail end batsmen in world cricket. I agree that Trent Boult and Neil Wagner are more like genuine tail enders. But Mitchell Santner, Tim Southee and Kyle Jamieson are the ones who can build valuable partnerships down the order. And regarding Ashwin, I don't think that he will be included in the playing XI, since his record on pitches that don't support spin is not good. In all probability, the first choice spinner for India is going to be Washington Sundar. Ravindra Jadeja will be there as the all rounder and I don't think that they need more spin options.

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Quote from: JSRAW on June 13, 2021, 05:04:54 AM

India is ahead by only 1 point so both teams are equally capable and we can't deny the fact that Kiwis clearly got a better chance here. Fingers crossed for the finals

Agreed. The plus point here is that we will get to watch an exciting final no matter which team you are cheering for and this positive atmosphere is necessary during these pandemic times.

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I am also expecting a good battle between India and New Zealand as both have world class bowlers and the match depends upon which batsman is going to perform against challenging bowling line up.

All eyes are on Pant. The big advantage that India has over NZ are consistent tail-enders like Ashwin etc who can bat when necessary though some of NZ's tail-enders can bat well too.

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Quote from: JSRAW on June 13, 2021, 05:04:54 AM

India is ahead by only 1 point so both teams are equally capable and we can't deny the fact that Kiwis clearly got a better chance here. Fingers crossed for the finals

It worries me that Kiwis exploiting the swing conditions perfectly, on other hand English bowlers looked toothless so far.

I agree this England team is missing few key players ; mainly Stokes and Archer because of their rotation policy / upcoming series against India, Australia But kiwis also made 6 changes in this game.

The current bunch of Indian players (with the exception of Kohli) have performed poorly in conditions that are more suitable to swing and seam bowling. And New Zealand has some of the best pace bowlers in the world right now, with Trent Boult, Tim Southee, Kyle Jamieson and Neil Wagner. Even their reserve strength looks impressive with bowlers such as Matt Henry. I won't be surprised if they go ahead with an all-pace attack. And remember that the New Zealand batsmen have confidently took on the most experienced pace bowling pair in the history of test cricket this month (Jimmy Anderson - Stuart Broad). It is going to be an uphill task for India.

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NZ's current form might destroy India if they play the final of WC. At the moment England is getting destroyed, I am happy that NZ is playing so well.

Destroy India? Lol. You are clearly underestimating India here. They are the number one test team according to ICC currently for several reasons. The final between them will probably go down to the wire.

England is getting screwed primarily because of the low morale in their camp due to ECB's recent moves against their players coupled with the fact that many of their big players are out of form currently.

India is ahead by only 1 point so both teams are equally capable and we can't deny the fact that Kiwis clearly got a better chance here. Fingers crossed for the finals

It worries me that Kiwis exploiting the swing conditions perfectly, on other hand English bowlers looked toothless so far.

I agree this England team is missing few key players ; mainly Stokes and Archer because of their rotation policy / upcoming series against India, Australia But kiwis also made 6 changes in this game.

Whatever England did with their team has completely gone wrong as they have no clue what to do next in this match. On the other hand NZ looks strong and confident. This will simply would boost their morale.

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Quote from: Haunebu on June 13, 2021, 03:43:03 AM

Destroy India? Lol. You are clearly underestimating India here. They are the number one test team according to ICC currently for several reasons. The final between them will probably go down to the wire.

I am also expecting a good battle between India and New Zealand as both have world class bowlers and the match depends upon which batsman is going to perform against challenging bowling line up.

Quote from: Haunebu on June 13, 2021, 03:43:03 AM

England is getting screwed primarily because of the low morale in their camp due to ECB's recent moves against their players coupled with the fact that many of their big players are out of form currently.

May be England is having issues with the morale because of recent issues and how the board responded to that was excessive. Injury and lack of form is another major issue but it was really disappointing to see how they performed with the bat.

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NZ's current form might destroy India if they play the final of WC. At the moment England is getting destroyed, I am happy that NZ is playing so well.

Destroy India? Lol. You are clearly underestimating India here. They are the number one test team according to ICC currently for several reasons. The final between them will probably go down to the wire.

England is getting screwed primarily because of the low morale in their camp due to ECB's recent moves against their players coupled with the fact that many of their big players are out of form currently.

India is ahead by only 1 point so both teams are equally capable and we can't deny the fact that Kiwis clearly got a better chance here. Fingers crossed for the finals

It worries me that Kiwis exploiting the swing conditions perfectly, on other hand English bowlers looked toothless so far.

I agree this England team is missing few key players ; mainly Stokes and Archer because of their rotation policy / upcoming series against India, Australia But kiwis also made 6 changes in this game.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on June 12, 2021, 11:58:26 PM

NZ's current form might destroy India if they play the final of WC. At the moment England is getting destroyed, I am happy that NZ is playing so well.

Destroy India? Lol. You are clearly underestimating India here. They are the number one test team according to ICC currently for several reasons. The final between them will probably go down to the wire.

England is getting screwed primarily because of the low morale in their camp due to ECB's recent moves against their players coupled with the fact that many of their big players are out of form currently.

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Quote from: Haunebu on June 12, 2021, 12:16:04 PM

Looks like NZ will win the test series(1 - 0) at this rate. They demolished England in the 2nd innings thanks to Henry, Wagner and Patel primarily. Root continues to struggle currently.

Am excited for the India vs NZ WTC final thanks to NZ's performance against England. Am betting on India to win.

NZ's current form might destroy India if they play the final of WC. At the moment England is getting destroyed, I am happy that NZ is playing so well.

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Quote from: Haunebu on June 12, 2021, 12:16:04 PM

Looks like NZ will win the test series(1 - 0) at this rate. They demolished England in the 2nd innings thanks to Henry, Wagner and Patel primarily. Root continues to struggle currently.

Am excited for the India vs NZ WTC final thanks to NZ's performance against England. Am betting on India to win.

And we need to remember that for the second test New Zealand rested a majority of their players (6 out of the 11 players who participated in the first test). Things are not looking good for England, especially with the Ashes series around the horizon. Stupid decisions in team selection, especially the one to drop Ollie Robinson for a 10-year old tweet played their part in the debacle. I won't be surprised if they gets whitewashed by Australia during the Ashes. The batting lineup looks so hopeless and brittle.

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Quote from: Haunebu on June 12, 2021, 12:16:04 PM

Looks like NZ will win the test series(1 - 0) at this rate. They demolished England in the 2nd innings thanks to Henry, Wagner and Patel primarily. Root continues to struggle currently.

Am excited for the India vs NZ WTC final thanks to NZ's performance against England. Am betting on India to win.

There is nothing England can do in this match as they are leading by 37 runs and they have one wicket left and plenty of time for the match to get over and the England crowds were huge in numbers and they will be disappointed that the match will be getting over earlier than they expected.

New Zealand is in good form and if they can trouble England in their own ground then they could trouble India as well and the WTC final is going to be a great one and let the best team win.

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Looks like NZ will win the test series(1 - 0) at this rate. They demolished England in the 2nd innings thanks to Henry, Wagner and Patel primarily. Root continues to struggle currently.

Am excited for the India vs NZ WTC final thanks to NZ's performance against England. Am betting on India to win.

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Moreover, WI players are getting paid more for playing T20 tournament than ODI or Test Cricket. They are good at playing T20 formats, most of the top batsmen in T20 come from WI. Also, T20 matches are more often played nowadays than Test cricket. The WI board needs to create a separate team for playing Test Cricket.

West Indies is having different teams for Test matches and shorter format cricket, i am not aware of their pay scale in different formats but the players are making a huge amount of money from franchise T20 tournaments around the globe and most of the West Indies players are in demand in these tournaments and we know that the players will priorities franchise cricket over playing in the national team.

I saw on a news portal that the West Indies Cricket Board does not pay cricketers properly, or cannot pay. And so the players are more interested in franchise tournaments. And the board has never banned players from playing in the tournament. Many important players play in various franchise tournaments without playing in their international matches. Playing in the t-20 format alone, players are naturally disinterested in big 5-day matches like the Test format.

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