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Quote from: ene1980 on June 20, 2021, 01:53:09 PM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on June 20, 2021, 12:27:20 PM

Devon Conway got out almost at the time you made the post. New Zealand was well on front foot, but the wicket of one of their best batsmen pulled back some momentum for the Indians. And it was Ishant who took the wicket of Conway. Before the playing XI was announced, there was a lot of debate about replacing Ishant with Siraj. But I was against that idea, because Ishant is one of the most experienced pacers in the Indian lineup and I thought that he will be more effective under the English conditions.

The momentum is still with New Zealand and i thought the Indian pace bowlers will trouble the New Zealand batsman like Kyle Jamieson did to the Indian batsman but Jasprit Bumrah was disappointment while Ishant Sharma and Mohammed Shami bowled well and Mohammed Shami was unlucky as there were some tough chances when he was bowling.

Although New Zealand lost 2 wickets for 101 runs, but I am not happy with the performance of India's pace bowlers. We expect better bowling from experienced bowlers like Bumrah and Shami. And India has scored only 217 runs, now India will not be able to win if the bowlers do not perform well. They Will even fail to draw.

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Quote from: ene1980 on June 20, 2021, 01:53:09 PM

The momentum is still with New Zealand and i thought the Indian pace bowlers will trouble the New Zealand batsman like Kyle Jamieson did to the Indian batsman but Jasprit Bumrah was disappointment while Ishant Sharma and Mohammed Shami bowled well and Mohammed Shami was unlucky as there were some tough chances when he was bowling.

New Zealand played really well against England and they are continuing their performance against India pace bowlers as well and lets see how they will be playing against the spinners tomorrow.

The morning session will be important and what i thought was that Jasprit Bumrah should bowl a more fuller length/

South Africa is struggling in the second innings and Kyle Mayers is turning out to be a wicket taking bowler as he once again took 3 wickets and they lost 7 wickets for 73 runs and they lead by 222 runs which is not that huge. The match is getting interested because i think West Indies has the team to chase down anything around 250 runs.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on June 20, 2021, 12:27:20 PM

Devon Conway got out almost at the time you made the post. New Zealand was well on front foot, but the wicket of one of their best batsmen pulled back some momentum for the Indians. And it was Ishant who took the wicket of Conway. Before the playing XI was announced, there was a lot of debate about replacing Ishant with Siraj. But I was against that idea, because Ishant is one of the most experienced pacers in the Indian lineup and I thought that he will be more effective under the English conditions.

The momentum is still with New Zealand and i thought the Indian pace bowlers will trouble the New Zealand batsman like Kyle Jamieson did to the Indian batsman but Jasprit Bumrah was disappointment while Ishant Sharma and Mohammed Shami bowled well and Mohammed Shami was unlucky as there were some tough chances when he was bowling.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on June 20, 2021, 12:14:24 PM

I think India's top order batsmen did not play well so India lost all their wickets by so few runs. Although they relied on Kohli and Rahane. But they also failed to build resistance in front of New Zealand's bowling.

New Zealand scored 101 runs losing only 1 wicket. Conway is unbeaten on 54. My guess is that New Zealand will be able to collect more than 380 runs.

Devon Conway got out almost at the time you made the post. New Zealand was well on front foot, but the wicket of one of their best batsmen pulled back some momentum for the Indians. And it was Ishant who took the wicket of Conway. Before the playing XI was announced, there was a lot of debate about replacing Ishant with Siraj. But I was against that idea, because Ishant is one of the most experienced pacers in the Indian lineup and I thought that he will be more effective under the English conditions.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on June 20, 2021, 11:21:48 AM

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Could anyone have imagined that India would lose all their wickets for just 217 runs? India has one of the best batting lineups in the world. By taking all the wickets for 217 runs, the New Zealand bowlers have shown how efficient they are and how much the pitch is helpful for pace bowlers. From this, it is clear that keeping Jadeja and Ashwin in the squad is the wrong decision of the Indian management.

For me, it was not surprising. Kohli and Rahane are the best test batsmen India have in SENA conditions. Once they got out, it was a collapse. I wasn't expecting much from batsmen like Pant in the middle order and Gill in the top order, because they don't have enough experience in such conditions. On top of that, Kyle Jamieson under favorable conditions is almost unplayable. The Indian batsmen had a relatively easy time, because the foolish New Zealand captain persisted with the gentle medium pace of de Grandhomme and Southee for quite long.

I think India's top order batsmen did not play well so India lost all their wickets by so few runs. Although they relied on Kohli and Rahane. But they also failed to build resistance in front of New Zealand's bowling.

New Zealand scored 101 runs losing only 1 wicket. Conway is unbeaten on 54. My guess is that New Zealand will be able to collect more than 380 runs.

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I have a feeling that everyone here commenting only after checking scorecard instead of live match.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on June 20, 2021, 10:16:08 AM

Could anyone have imagined that India would lose all their wickets for just 217 runs? India has one of the best batting lineups in the world. By taking all the wickets for 217 runs, the New Zealand bowlers have shown how efficient they are and how much the pitch is helpful for pace bowlers. From this, it is clear that keeping Jadeja and Ashwin in the squad is the wrong decision of the Indian management.

For me, it was not surprising. Kohli and Rahane are the best test batsmen India have in SENA conditions. Once they got out, it was a collapse. I wasn't expecting much from batsmen like Pant in the middle order and Gill in the top order, because they don't have enough experience in such conditions. On top of that, Kyle Jamieson under favorable conditions is almost unplayable. The Indian batsmen had a relatively easy time, because the foolish New Zealand captain persisted with the gentle medium pace of de Grandhomme and Southee for quite long.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on June 20, 2021, 10:16:08 AM

Could anyone have imagined that India would lose all their wickets for just 217 runs? India has one of the best batting lineups in the world. By taking all the wickets for 217 runs, the New Zealand bowlers have shown how efficient they are and how much the pitch is helpful for pace bowlers. From this, it is clear that keeping Jadeja and Ashwin in the squad is the wrong decision of the Indian management.

The pitch was swinging a lot and it was a huge test for the batsman and they were not able to build partnership and ended up with 217 runs on the board which is disappointing and i expected India to pick up some early wickets but New Zealand is surviving and already scored 54 runs without loosing a wicket and India needs to somehow find the break through if they wanted to win the match.

The last two days the pitch might assist spinners and you cannot conclude now whether it was a bad decision, Indian bowlers are not getting the swing the New Zealand bowlers were able to achieve and that means the pitch is changing.

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Quote from: pakhitheboss on June 20, 2021, 09:41:36 AM

Quote from: bryant.coleman on June 20, 2021, 08:22:05 AM

Historically, the Indian batsmen (apart from Virat Kohli) had issues against bowlers with a lot of pace and bounce. In this test also that was the case with Kyle Jamieson breaking the backbone of Indian batting. And at the same time, the Indians have performed better against medium pacers and it was not surprising to see de Grandhomme going wicketless after conceding so many runs. I would have still preferred New Zealand to include either Mitchell Santner or Ajaz Patel in the place of de Grandhomme.

Unfortunately Kohli and rahane were not able to score any runs from yesterday. I was expecting Kohli and Rahane to atleast reach 50. This was an appalling batting by both the batsmen. Nothing can be expected by the tail enders, still Ashwin scored a few. Nothing went well for the Indian batting line up. The score is not that much for NZ, they all need to do is to stick to the wicket to the end for today's session.

Could anyone have imagined that India would lose all their wickets for just 217 runs? India has one of the best batting lineups in the world. By taking all the wickets for 217 runs, the New Zealand bowlers have shown how efficient they are and how much the pitch is helpful for pace bowlers. From this, it is clear that keeping Jadeja and Ashwin in the squad is the wrong decision of the Indian management.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on June 20, 2021, 08:22:05 AM

Historically, the Indian batsmen (apart from Virat Kohli) had issues against bowlers with a lot of pace and bounce. In this test also that was the case with Kyle Jamieson breaking the backbone of Indian batting. And at the same time, the Indians have performed better against medium pacers and it was not surprising to see de Grandhomme going wicketless after conceding so many runs. I would have still preferred New Zealand to include either Mitchell Santner or Ajaz Patel in the place of de Grandhomme.

Unfortunately Kohli and rahane were not able to score any runs from yesterday. I was expecting Kohli and Rahane to atleast reach 50. This was an appalling batting by both the batsmen. Nothing can be expected by the tail enders, still Ashwin scored a few. Nothing went well for the Indian batting line up. The score is not that much for NZ, they all need to do is to stick to the wicket to the end for today's session.

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Quote from: onecall123 on June 20, 2021, 08:24:49 AM

Not expected, however Indian bowlers won't let New Zealand easily get this total in these conditions. Since it's very clear extreme conditions to bat. It will be extreme for NZ hitters also. Time will say, whether this is a decent and fair score or not?

That is true. The New Zealand openers seems to be struggling against the pace and bounce of Ishant and Bumrah. But let's not forget the fact that some of the New Zealand batsmen (especially Conway and Williamson) are in excellent form right now. Devon Conway averages 89 against pace, and therefore I would say that it won't be a bad idea to bring Ravichandran Ashwin or Ravindra Jadeja early on. India needs a few quick wickets early on. The first innings lead is going to be really crucial in this match. Anyway, the Indian pacers seems to be in very good shape.

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Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on June 20, 2021, 08:05:40 AM

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Ravichandran Ashwin just got out to a horrible shot. He seemed to be in a hurry and was going for shots almost every ball. And in the end gave Tim Southee his first wicket in the test. A total of around 250 would be good, and if the tail enders give proper support to Jadeja, then it may be possible to go beyond that mark.

The tail is exposed and India already lost the 9th wicket and Ravindra Jadeja is still in the crease and all he needs to do is score runs and the last three wickets will not contribute anything as they are typical tail who do not know batting and India scored just 217 runs and the interesting aspect is how New Zealand will tackle the Indian pace bowlers.

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India all out for 217 runs .

Not expected, however Indian bowlers won't let New Zealand easily get this total in these conditions. Since it's very clear extreme conditions to bat. It will be extreme for NZ hitters also. Time will say, whether this is a decent and fair score or not?

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Historically, the Indian batsmen (apart from Virat Kohli) had issues against bowlers with a lot of pace and bounce. In this test also that was the case with Kyle Jamieson breaking the backbone of Indian batting. And at the same time, the Indians have performed better against medium pacers and it was not surprising to see de Grandhomme going wicketless after conceding so many runs. I would have still preferred New Zealand to include either Mitchell Santner or Ajaz Patel in the place of de Grandhomme.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on June 20, 2021, 07:01:18 AM

Ravichandran Ashwin just got out to a horrible shot. He seemed to be in a hurry and was going for shots almost every ball. And in the end gave Tim Southee his first wicket in the test. A total of around 250 would be good, and if the tail enders give proper support to Jadeja, then it may be possible to go beyond that mark.

The tail is exposed and India already lost the 9th wicket and Ravindra Jadeja is still in the crease and all he needs to do is score runs and the last three wickets will not contribute anything as they are typical tail who do not know batting and India scored just 217 runs and the interesting aspect is how New Zealand will tackle the Indian pace bowlers.

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India all out for 217 runs .

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on June 20, 2021, 06:20:13 AM

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It is not available in YouTube, unless you want to watch a pirated link. Here in India, the matches are live on Star Sports 1 HD and online streaming is available on Hotstar. I guess in your country also, you can watch the matches live on Hotstar. I don't know about the subscription plans in your country, but here in India the subscription came free along with the 1-year 4G plan of Reliance Jio.

Ravichandran Ashwin just got out to a horrible shot. He seemed to be in a hurry and was going for shots almost every ball. And in the end gave Tim Southee his first wicket in the test. A total of around 250 would be good, and if the tail enders give proper support to Jadeja, then it may be possible to go beyond that mark.

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Quote from: JohnBitCo on June 20, 2021, 06:16:48 AM

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This match should end up in a draw. We are close to the end of the third day and yet the first Indian innings is still not finished. Unless there is a big collapse in the New Zealand batting which is very unlikely, i don't see any results from this match.

There is a collapse in the Indian batting lineup as they already lost their top and middle order batsman and they are struggling for 186 for the loss of 6 wickets and Ravindra Jadeja along with Ravichandran Ashwin is in the crease. This is the third day but the match can go till the sixth day because they have a reserve day in case there was weather issues and the first day was washed out and hence we can say there is 4 more days left for the match.

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But the weather isn't good at all. They have to stop the game two times till now for the bad light. Though they have adjusted it with tea break time. Bad weather and low light may create impact again in the game. BTW, Kohli and Rahane made 50 run partnership and they are playing like set batsmen now. Hopefully they will build up a good partnership from here.

The weather and the bad light is impacting the match and i am expecting the same situation in terms of climate in the following days as well. There is 59 overs left for the day and how many overs will be lost due to bad light and in terms of batting India started carefully and now their most experienced batsman are in the crease but these constant breaks might affect their batting.

This match should end up in a draw. We are close to the end of the third day and yet the first Indian innings is still not finished. Unless there is a big collapse in the New Zealand batting which is very unlikely, i don't see any results from this match.

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Quote from: Mahdirakib on June 19, 2021, 02:56:43 PM

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The game has stopped today for the bad light after 64.4 overs. Generally 90 overs are bowled in a day of test matches. First day was lost for rain, a reserve day is available which will fulfill the loss of day one. But the weather isn't good overall. Seems like the bad weather and rain is going to be the winner of WTC final. New Zealand and Indian team is the spectator in the field.

It a best of three if this match gets disrupted then they still have two more matches to play. I am not sure what is the weather forecast for this month but If it continues like this then WTC will be in trouble. It is supposed to be summer in England by the way.

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Quote from: ene1980 on June 19, 2021, 06:28:51 PM

I expected West Indies to struggle against genuine pace bowlers like Anrich Nortje and Kagiso Rabada and they will be taking majority of the wickets but the spinner Keshav Maharaj took a couple of wicket and Wiaan Mulder who is a part time bowler took 3 wickets in the 4 overs he bowled which surprised me and West Indies are all out for 149 runs and this game is sealed in South Africa's favor.

Excellent performance by the South African quicks. The combination of Rabada-Ngidi-Mulder-Nortje did to West Indies what the latter would have done to the other test nations in 1970s and 1980s. South African team really surprises me. They are still able to produce quality quick bowlers, despite losing so many of them to Kolpak. But the batting remains as a concern. Apart from de Kock, most of their batsmen are 30 plus, and they will retire in the next few years. Youngsters such as Keegan Peterson have failed to perform at international level so far.

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