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Quote from: eaLiTy on January 05, 2021, 02:37:30 PM

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Yes, you are right but the ICC seems to be blind to this issue. Teams such as West Indies, Pakistan and Sri Lanka were being regarded as some of the best test sides two decades ago. In just one or two decades the situation changed upside down. There is no single reason for the downfall of these teams. In each case, it is a combination of multiple factors. But it is really tragic, to see once powerful teams performing so poorly.

West Indies dominated world cricket during 70s 80s and 90s but after that they could not replicate the amount of success because they were not able to replicate the level of world class players they had, Pakistan had some good players in the late 80s and 90s but now they are just a shell of their past and they usually produced world class bowlers and they could not find quality bowlers and Sri Lanka started dominating in the mid 90s under Arjuna Ranatunga and it continued late in 2000s but now they are finding it hard to find quality players.

The reason for the team of West Indies and Pakistan being left behind are the hurdles on the development of cricket on the respective places. For West Indies, it were both team administrators as well as politics and influence of individual island nation of the cricket union that favored some players while troubled others. Pakistan too have problem in and out of the team management. And both of them have failed to increase or maintain the infrastructure specially that within west indies.

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Yes, you are right but the ICC seems to be blind to this issue. Teams such as West Indies, Pakistan and Sri Lanka were being regarded as some of the best test sides two decades ago. In just one or two decades the situation changed upside down. There is no single reason for the downfall of these teams. In each case, it is a combination of multiple factors. But it is really tragic, to see once powerful teams performing so poorly.

West Indies dominated world cricket during 70s 80s and 90s but after that they could not replicate the amount of success because they were not able to replicate the level of world class players they had, Pakistan had some good players in the late 80s and 90s but now they are just a shell of their past and they usually produced world class bowlers and they could not find quality bowlers and Sri Lanka started dominating in the mid 90s under Arjuna Ranatunga and it continued late in 2000s but now they are finding it hard to find quality players.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 05, 2021, 04:22:02 AM

Kiwis and Proteas are literally bullying Pakistan and Sri Lanka respectively.
And look at that home track bully Kane Williamson (JK) lol, scoring double tons for fun nowadays Grin

Not a good sign for test cricket. Even test matches involving teams outside the big 3 are getting lop-sided now. South Africa literally destroyed Sri Lanka. But this same South Africa will lose by a big margin, if they play against any of the big 3 teams. I am gradually losing my interest in test cricket. What is the point in watching such one sided matches? Only the matches involving big 3 teams are interesting nowadays.

Those two team failed to produce good quality players in the last few years that is the reason why these teams are struggling now but its all part of their cricket journey. Soon these teams will find someone who can lift the confidence among the other players and that is why lot of domestic leagues were conducted all around the world.

I think Pakistan is still fine they just are not able to get a stable team but talking about Sri Lanka their future is absolutely disastorous. The problem with Sri Lanka is that there are no senior players in the team to guide the junior guys who are coming in. All the big guns vanished from the team all of a sudden. I think the 2011 World Cup Sri Lankan team was the last best team from Sri Lanka after the retirement of Sanga, Jayawardane, Murali and Dilshan the team can't even be compared to our India-A team. They have a pretty dark future lying ahead of them I feel soon Afghanistan(if they can part ways with terrorism and such conflicts) would become a better cricketing nation than Sri Lanka.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 05, 2021, 04:22:02 AM

Kiwis and Proteas are literally bullying Pakistan and Sri Lanka respectively.
And look at that home track bully Kane Williamson (JK) lol, scoring double tons for fun nowadays Grin

Not a good sign for test cricket. Even test matches involving teams outside the big 3 are getting lop-sided now. South Africa literally destroyed Sri Lanka. But this same South Africa will lose by a big margin, if they play against any of the big 3 teams. I am gradually losing my interest in test cricket. What is the point in watching such one sided matches? Only the matches involving big 3 teams are interesting nowadays.

This is so true that the difference between the best teams and other teams are gradually rising rather than falling in line, which is a greater cause of concern for cricket. This mostly is due to board and money involved in that because talent will always exists in the country but to nurture and bring it on top by provide right kind of facilities and training is required which the board needs to take care if they want to produce world class cricketers in coming times.

Both test match of SA vs SL, SL lost badly and almost both tests were won by big margin so its going just one side matches.

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Kiwis and Proteas are literally bullying Pakistan and Sri Lanka respectively.

And look at that home track bully Kane Williamson (JK) lol, scoring double tons for fun nowadays Grin

About Pakistan nothing new they mostly done things like this in Australia New Zealand because they never done home work before these tours but really shocked with way playing Sri Lanka because in last tour they completely out class Proteas but this time they are not near this which they done in last tour.

This time Lankans were playing local t-20 league and directly came to SA without any rest or match practice, majority of them were tired and then injuries in the team didn't help their cause but on 1st inning of 1st test they batted well and i thought may be they could repeat the same, it turned out pitch was easy to bat on for everyone.

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Not a good sign for test cricket. Even test matches involving teams outside the big 3 are getting lop-sided now. South Africa literally destroyed Sri Lanka. But this same South Africa will lose by a big margin, if they play against any of the big 3 teams. I am gradually losing my interest in test cricket. What is the point in watching such one sided matches? Only the matches involving big 3 teams are interesting nowadays.

We don't have any good touring team in the test cricket so it doesn't bother me much now.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 05, 2021, 04:22:02 AM

Kiwis and Proteas are literally bullying Pakistan and Sri Lanka respectively.
And look at that home track bully Kane Williamson (JK) lol, scoring double tons for fun nowadays Grin

Not a good sign for test cricket. Even test matches involving teams outside the big 3 are getting lop-sided now. South Africa literally destroyed Sri Lanka. But this same South Africa will lose by a big margin, if they play against any of the big 3 teams. I am gradually losing my interest in test cricket. What is the point in watching such one sided matches? Only the matches involving big 3 teams are interesting nowadays.

Those two team failed to produce good quality players in the last few years that is the reason why these teams are struggling now but its all part of their cricket journey. Soon these teams will find someone who can lift the confidence among the other players and that is why lot of domestic leagues were conducted all around the world.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 05, 2021, 04:22:02 AM

Kiwis and Proteas are literally bullying Pakistan and Sri Lanka respectively.

And look at that home track bully Kane Williamson (JK) lol, scoring double tons for fun nowadays Grin

About Pakistan nothing new they mostly done things like this in Australia New Zealand because they never done home work before these tours but really shocked with way playing Sri Lanka because in last tour they completely out class Proteas but this time they are not near this which they done in last tour.

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Kiwis and Proteas are literally bullying Pakistan and Sri Lanka respectively.

And look at that home track bully Kane Williamson (JK) lol, scoring double tons for fun nowadays Grin

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 04, 2021, 09:55:43 PM

Kane Williamson is slowly closing on his double hundred against Pakistan, and New Zealand is approaching a total of 500 (right now they are at 487/5). I was expecting a better performance from the Pakistani bowlers, after their good showing with the bat. But they look out of sorts and incapable of taking the wickets (even with supportive ground conditions). It is going to be an innings defeat for Pakistan.

NZ scored 659 before they declare their innings, Williamson played exceptionally and scored 238 in an innings. Now pakistan trail by 354 runs and they already lost One of their opener before the stumps. Two days are still remaining so its an impossible task for PAK to draw or win this match.

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Kane Williamson is slowly closing on his double hundred against Pakistan, and New Zealand is approaching a total of 500 (right now they are at 487/5). I was expecting a better performance from the Pakistani bowlers, after their good showing with the bat. But they look out of sorts and incapable of taking the wickets (even with supportive ground conditions). It is going to be an innings defeat for Pakistan.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on January 04, 2021, 01:57:17 PM

Tim Paine has underperformed in test cricket. His test batting average is just 32.20 and the only test player with a regular slot in the playing XI with a lower average (as far as I can remember) is Temba Bavuma of South Africa. A 36-year old with sub-40 batting average in test? I think some younger player deserves that slot.

Tim Paine is in the team because of his experience and a keeper after Steve Smith and Warner were suspended which shows that they do see foresee anyone in the team that could handle the leadership role and CA always go with non controversial captains. I still think Shane Warne could have being the best captain because of his tactical skills but they never gave him an opportunity because of his outlandish character outside cricket.

Quote from: teosanru on January 04, 2021, 03:58:11 PM

I don't think Australia has got any legendary Wicket-keeper batsmen after Gilchrist. Brad Haddin was good but nowhere near Gilchrist.

It is hard to find a replacement for Adam Gilchrist or Ian Healy who were considered as the best to ever play the game and that is the situation with India and Sri Lanka as they will not find a replacement for MS Dhoni or Kumar Sangakkara.

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I would never say that they are weak bowling side. They are in top 3 in the world cricket and were looking at top form before they lost the 2nd game. And their bowlers didn't perform bad at all, their batting looking vulnerable because Smudge (smith) is not performing.

The way i see it, world cricket going through some phase of average batting from every single team but not bowling.

You are right. The problem is with their batting and not with their bowling. The same set of bowlers blasted out India for 36 runs in the first test. And let's not forget the fact that the playing XI had players such as Virat Kohli, Ajinkya Rahane and Cheteshwar Pujara. The bowlers can't do much, when the batsmen are performing so poorly. First they should fire their captain (Tim Paine) as he is not contributing for a long time.

I feel you are ignoring his contribution in the Australian squad. He led the team when they were in big crisis due to Smith-Warner ban and at 1st test he scored 70+ runs, which earned him man of the match award.

I have to disagree with you on this one. Tim Paine has underperformed in test cricket. His test batting average is just 32.20 and the only test player with a regular slot in the playing XI with a lower average (as far as I can remember) is Temba Bavuma of South Africa. A 36-year old with sub-40 batting average in test? I think some younger player deserves that slot.

Tim Paine is in the squad merely due to the fact that he is a wicket-keeper batsman. Australia doesn't have a batter wicket-keeper batsmen with them. They tried Nevill but he hasn't batted well same is the case with Alex Carrey. They earlier had Mathew Wade but even he isn't a great performer in Test Cricket. Only one player who has a better batting average than Tim Paine in test cricket is Peter Handscomb but I don't think he is considered a full-time keeper moreover Tim Paine is much more experienced at least at the domestic level and after that Ball-Tampering Incident, they aren't left with lot of options for captaincy too. I don't think Australia has got any legendary Wicket-keeper batsmen after Gilchrist. Brad Haddin was good but nowhere near Gilchrist.

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I would never say that they are weak bowling side. They are in top 3 in the world cricket and were looking at top form before they lost the 2nd game. And their bowlers didn't perform bad at all, their batting looking vulnerable because Smudge (smith) is not performing.

The way i see it, world cricket going through some phase of average batting from every single team but not bowling.

You are right. The problem is with their batting and not with their bowling. The same set of bowlers blasted out India for 36 runs in the first test. And let's not forget the fact that the playing XI had players such as Virat Kohli, Ajinkya Rahane and Cheteshwar Pujara. The bowlers can't do much, when the batsmen are performing so poorly. First they should fire their captain (Tim Paine) as he is not contributing for a long time.

I feel you are ignoring his contribution in the Australian squad. He led the team when they were in big crisis due to Smith-Warner ban and at 1st test he scored 70+ runs, which earned him man of the match award.

I have to disagree with you on this one. Tim Paine has underperformed in test cricket. His test batting average is just 32.20 and the only test player with a regular slot in the playing XI with a lower average (as far as I can remember) is Temba Bavuma of South Africa. A 36-year old with sub-40 batting average in test? I think some younger player deserves that slot.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 04, 2021, 04:45:08 AM

I would never say that they are weak bowling side. They are in top 3 in the world cricket and were looking at top form before they lost the 2nd game. And their bowlers didn't perform bad at all, their batting looking vulnerable because Smudge (smith) is not performing.

The way i see it, world cricket going through some phase of average batting from every single team but not bowling.

You are right. The problem is with their batting and not with their bowling. The same set of bowlers blasted out India for 36 runs in the first test. And let's not forget the fact that the playing XI had players such as Virat Kohli, Ajinkya Rahane and Cheteshwar Pujara. The bowlers can't do much, when the batsmen are performing so poorly. First they should fire their captain (Tim Paine) as he is not contributing for a long time.

I feel you are ignoring his contribution in the Australian squad. He led the team when they were in big crisis due to Smith-Warner ban and at 1st test he scored 70+ runs, which earned him man of the match award.

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If Pakistan is unable to take early wickets in the first session, I think they will lose by an innings. If New Zealand gives Pakistan a target of 200 runs. Pakistan will not be able to score 200 runs in their second innings. The series of completely one-sided.

Don't be overconfident about the New Zealanders. First of all, they don't even have a lead right now. They may be able to build a lead tomorrow, but Pakistan has some talented pace bowlers and if they bowl well, then they can restrict NZ to somewhere around a lead of 100-150. Now it will be Pakistan's turn and I have a feeling that they will bat sensibly this time, as this is the last match of the tour.

I am not overconfident with the New Zealand players. I said, if they are able to give a target of more than 200 runs, then Pakistan will lose by an innings. And that's what I think. If NZ doesn't lose any wickets in the first session, I think they will be able to give a lead of more than 200 runs And that's what I think. Because I don't see such an experienced player in the Pakistan team. I am not satisfied with their overall performance. I'm just giving my own opinion.

Maybe you are right. But let's not forget the fact that now Pakistan will be under tremendous pressure to perform well in the final match. Their performance was disappointing so far in this tour, apart from that consolation win during the 3rd T20I match. And the Pakistani bowlers actually started well, and at one point they had restricted New Zealand to 71/3. Also, their batting was not that disappointing in the first innings. IMO, it is still 50/50.

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In another test which is low key affair SL in second innings are 150/4 and thanks to Dimuth who is batting on 91 else SL would have being all out under 200 like first innings. SL now lead by 5 runs. Though not expecting any miracle here which could help SL to even draw the test. SA should win this easily even if they have to chase 200-250 runs on last day.

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If Pakistan is unable to take early wickets in the first session, I think they will lose by an innings. If New Zealand gives Pakistan a target of 200 runs. Pakistan will not be able to score 200 runs in their second innings. The series of completely one-sided.

Don't be overconfident about the New Zealanders. First of all, they don't even have a lead right now. They may be able to build a lead tomorrow, but Pakistan has some talented pace bowlers and if they bowl well, then they can restrict NZ to somewhere around a lead of 100-150. Now it will be Pakistan's turn and I have a feeling that they will bat sensibly this time, as this is the last match of the tour.

I am not overconfident with the New Zealand players. I said, if they are able to give a target of more than 200 runs, then Pakistan will lose by an innings. And that's what I think. If NZ doesn't lose any wickets in the first session, I think they will be able to give a lead of more than 200 runs And that's what I think. Because I don't see such an experienced player in the Pakistan team. I am not satisfied with their overall performance. I'm just giving my own opinion.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on January 04, 2021, 12:21:35 PM

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If Pakistan is unable to take early wickets in the first session, I think they will lose by an innings. If New Zealand gives Pakistan a target of 200 runs. Pakistan will not be able to score 200 runs in their second innings. The series of completely one-sided.

Don't be overconfident about the New Zealanders. First of all, they don't even have a lead right now. They may be able to build a lead tomorrow, but Pakistan has some talented pace bowlers and if they bowl well, then they can restrict NZ to somewhere around a lead of 100-150. Now it will be Pakistan's turn and I have a feeling that they will bat sensibly this time, as this is the last match of the tour.

In first inning of this match they done some good batting but sadly few batsmen unable to read bounce of this wicket and fall very quickly but I am very confident about them they will do some better in second inning but first pacers need to do some better use of this all and restrict New Zealand from building any big lead which create more problems for them in this test.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on January 04, 2021, 11:55:55 AM

If Pakistan is unable to take early wickets in the first session, I think they will lose by an innings. If New Zealand gives Pakistan a target of 200 runs. Pakistan will not be able to score 200 runs in their second innings. The series of completely one-sided.

Don't be overconfident about the New Zealanders. First of all, they don't even have a lead right now. They may be able to build a lead tomorrow, but Pakistan has some talented pace bowlers and if they bowl well, then they can restrict NZ to somewhere around a lead of 100-150. Now it will be Pakistan's turn and I have a feeling that they will bat sensibly this time, as this is the last match of the tour.

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Quote from: onrise on January 04, 2021, 10:39:44 AM

For Pakistan to be back they will need quick wickets tomorrow and probably try to restrict the lead under 125 runs if possible else will be very difficult for them to save the match.

If Pakistan is unable to take early wickets in the first session, I think they will lose by an innings. If New Zealand gives Pakistan a target of 200 runs. Pakistan will not be able to score 200 runs in their second innings. The series of completely one-sided.

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