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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on December 14, 2020, 11:28:08 AM

Quote from: onrise on December 14, 2020, 09:52:33 AM

The series results would likely be in NZ favour only, but what I was mentioning is that atleast they need to play better in each innings. Like they did play second innings better than first and in the same way need to continue in the rest of the matches. This would just make match more interesting rather than just complete one sided which is just not anybody watches for.

This is actually bad news for teams such as India. With their series win against West Indies, New Zealand is having 480 point in the table for 2019–21 ICC World Test Championship. Both India and England have the same number of points, from the same number of matches. A series loss against Australia can sink India, and this can open the possibility of a final between Australia and New Zealand at Lord's.

If ICC want any sort of success with this World Test Championship formula then for the next WTC edition they should make at least one change, like same match series for each country. Its bizarre that one country playing 20 tests and others are playing 10-12 matches just to win so-called prestigious Test Championship title.

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Quote from: onrise on December 14, 2020, 09:52:33 AM

The series results would likely be in NZ favour only, but what I was mentioning is that atleast they need to play better in each innings. Like they did play second innings better than first and in the same way need to continue in the rest of the matches. This would just make match more interesting rather than just complete one sided which is just not anybody watches for.

This is actually bad news for teams such as India. With their series win against West Indies, New Zealand is having 480 point in the table for 2019–21 ICC World Test Championship. Both India and England have the same number of points, from the same number of matches. A series loss against Australia can sink India, and this can open the possibility of a final between Australia and New Zealand at Lord's.

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Holder is the key batsmen now who is on 60. Playing better in second innings which is a positive thing. Their goal today would be to atleast ensure NZ come to bat in their second innings. Chances are slim as only 4 wickets left and need to make another 85 runs. If they can do it and even if can take some 50 lead will be much better considering their first innings batting. Just will help them to prepare better and will motivate them for second test as well. This will just bring little cheer to West Indies fan as well to see some sort of resilience from the team.

As you mentioned West Indies still trail by 85 runs and there is no way Jason Holder will play a Lara kind of innings and with two more days left in the match and they will fold tomorrow until Holder is going to play some incredible innings which is highly unlikely. The series is one sided and New Zealand will be dominating the rest of the series and West Indies needs to find some players that could play Test cricket.

The series results would likely be in NZ favour only, but what I was mentioning is that atleast they need to play better in each innings. Like they did play second innings better than first and in the same way need to continue in the rest of the matches. This would just make match more interesting rather than just complete one sided which is just not anybody watches for.

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Quote from: covfefe_ on December 13, 2020, 11:11:58 AM

Players has been mostly called off from franchise games when they need to play for their national team. And like any other sports, cricket is becoming more like an commercial club based sports. The number of national tours are on decline. Test cricket are on verge of disappearing. And the only time when people care about national teams playing is the world cup.

In the past, the West Indian players have refused to report to the national duty, while participating in the foreign T20 leagues. And this has been one of the reasons why their performance is so poor. But I agree with the second part of your post. Interest in test cricket is decreasing (especially outside the big 3 nations). No one really cares, when teams such as West Indies and Sri Lanka play test cricket.

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Quote from: onrise on December 13, 2020, 09:54:12 AM

Holder is the key batsmen now who is on 60. Playing better in second innings which is a positive thing. Their goal today would be to atleast ensure NZ come to bat in their second innings. Chances are slim as only 4 wickets left and need to make another 85 runs. If they can do it and even if can take some 50 lead will be much better considering their first innings batting. Just will help them to prepare better and will motivate them for second test as well. This will just bring little cheer to West Indies fan as well to see some sort of resilience from the team.

As you mentioned West Indies still trail by 85 runs and there is no way Jason Holder will play a Lara kind of innings and with two more days left in the match and they will fold tomorrow until Holder is going to play some incredible innings which is highly unlikely. The series is one sided and New Zealand will be dominating the rest of the series and West Indies needs to find some players that could play Test cricket.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on December 13, 2020, 11:04:49 AM

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We can't compare the payout from BCCI with other cricket boards but other boards allowing their players to play on other leagues as well which is good for the individual future and which gave life for many players to move to other international teams as well. Practice match between Aus A and IND ends in a draw but I expected a result when Indian bowlers did good in the earlier overs but they failed to take wickets later.

Well.. there is nothing wrong in allowing players to participate in franchise T20 leagues. But with the proliference of such leagues all over the globe, those who participate in them hardly get any spare time for national duty. Earlier there was a proposal from some of the boards, to limit the maximum participation for a player to a maximum of three leagues. But this has been opposed by the players association.

Players has been mostly called off from franchise games when they need to play for their national team. And like any other sports, cricket is becoming more like an commercial club based sports. The number of national tours are on decline. Test cricket are on verge of disappearing. And the only time when people care about national teams playing is the world cup.

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Quote from: mersal on December 13, 2020, 08:30:43 AM

We can't compare the payout from BCCI with other cricket boards but other boards allowing their players to play on other leagues as well which is good for the individual future and which gave life for many players to move to other international teams as well. Practice match between Aus A and IND ends in a draw but I expected a result when Indian bowlers did good in the earlier overs but they failed to take wickets later.

Well.. there is nothing wrong in allowing players to participate in franchise T20 leagues. But with the proliference of such leagues all over the globe, those who participate in them hardly get any spare time for national duty. Earlier there was a proposal from some of the boards, to limit the maximum participation for a player to a maximum of three leagues. But this has been opposed by the players association.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on December 13, 2020, 07:01:23 AM

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WI is still 85 runs behind and they have only 4 wickets remaining. Jason Holder is playing good at 60 and is holding the innings together otherwise the match would have been ended in a loss for WI. West Indies will still lose the match today or on the forth day.

The partnership between Jason Holder and debutant Joshua Da Silva has made 74 runs so far and it is possible that they may be able to force New Zealand to bat again. At the end of third day's play, West Indies still trails by 85 runs. If they don't lose by an innings, it may give them some sort of consolation. 85 runs is still a lot, and surviving against the lethal pace of Boult, Southee, Jamieson and Wagner will be a tough task.

All that said, I have zero sympathy for West Indies. Their no.1 test batsmen of recent times (Shivnarine Chanderpaul) was forced to retire, as the WICB selectors didn't want an East Indian player to break the record of Brian Lara for having the highest number of test runs for West Indies.

Holder is the key batsmen now who is on 60. Playing better in second innings which is a positive thing. Their goal today would be to atleast ensure NZ come to bat in their second innings. Chances are slim as only 4 wickets left and need to make another 85 runs. If they can do it and even if can take some 50 lead will be much better considering their first innings batting. Just will help them to prepare better and will motivate them for second test as well. This will just bring little cheer to West Indies fan as well to see some sort of resilience from the team.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on December 13, 2020, 07:41:13 AM

Quote from: mersal on December 13, 2020, 03:13:39 AM

West Indies cricket board doesn't even have money to pay for their current players which is the major reason why they like to play other leagues than international matches. WI was the best team in test match as well but its been a long time ago, now alao they got skills but not enough experienced players to keep patience in a five day game.

If you look at the central contracts from the WICB, you can see that they are not that bad. But obviously WICB can't compete with the T20 franchises who are ready to dish out millions of USD for the top players such as Pollard, Fletcher and Pooran. And unlike the BCCI, they don't have the power to ban their players from foreign T20 leagues. If they do so, then the players will simply retire from international cricket and solely concentrate on franchise leagues.

We can't compare the payout from BCCI with other cricket boards but other boards allowing their players to play on other leagues as well which is good for the individual future and which gave life for many players to move to other international teams as well. Practice match between Aus A and IND ends in a draw but I expected a result when Indian bowlers did good in the earlier overs but they failed to take wickets later.

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Quote from: mersal on December 13, 2020, 03:13:39 AM

West Indies cricket board doesn't even have money to pay for their current players which is the major reason why they like to play other leagues than international matches. WI was the best team in test match as well but its been a long time ago, now alao they got skills but not enough experienced players to keep patience in a five day game.

If you look at the central contracts from the WICB, you can see that they are not that bad. But obviously WICB can't compete with the T20 franchises who are ready to dish out millions of USD for the top players such as Pollard, Fletcher and Pooran. And unlike the BCCI, they don't have the power to ban their players from foreign T20 leagues. If they do so, then the players will simply retire from international cricket and solely concentrate on franchise leagues.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on December 13, 2020, 02:54:21 AM

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Babar Azam ruled out due to thumb injury.

He got a fracture in his right thumb while having a practice session on sunday. What sort of practice it is which make you unfit rather than making you fit for the match Huh

First covid-19 rumors and now Babar, Imam, Shadab injuries worries Pakistan ahead of NZ series will further dent the team performance. Angry

May be he got knocked out in thumb war. Grin

Anyway its not like he's ruled out from the tour, its just T-20 series and i am sure he would recover and come back for Tests, which is more important.

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Quote from: FIFA worldcup on December 13, 2020, 04:04:39 AM

WI is still 85 runs behind and they have only 4 wickets remaining. Jason Holder is playing good at 60 and is holding the innings together otherwise the match would have been ended in a loss for WI. West Indies will still lose the match today or on the forth day.

The partnership between Jason Holder and debutant Joshua Da Silva has made 74 runs so far and it is possible that they may be able to force New Zealand to bat again. At the end of third day's play, West Indies still trails by 85 runs. If they don't lose by an innings, it may give them some sort of consolation. 85 runs is still a lot, and surviving against the lethal pace of Boult, Southee, Jamieson and Wagner will be a tough task.

All that said, I have zero sympathy for West Indies. Their no.1 test batsmen of recent times (Shivnarine Chanderpaul) was forced to retire, as the WICB selectors didn't want an East Indian player to break the record of Brian Lara for having the highest number of test runs for West Indies.

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Very poor batting from west indies players. In the first Test against New Zealand, West Indies lost by 134 runs and an innings. It was a completely one-sided Test match. I thought the West Indies would be fixed their mistakes in the second Test. And will fight a bit even if they can't win the match. But I was wrong. West Indies will also lose this Test match by an innings. West Indies scored 124 runs for the loss of 8 wickets.

I cannot remember a Test match where West Indies played well in a very long time and the second Test match against New Zealand is just a replicate of their first match. West Indies is struggling to find quality Test players even though they have players that dominate the T20 format and until they can create interest in the longer format among the younger generation you will always see one sided matches.

As you mentioned the match is not yet over, it will be interesting to know what New Zealand will be deciding whether they want to enforce the follow on or not.

The main problem of Wast Indies players is their lack of patience. They like to play franchises and T20 series. They like short matches, but none of their players is destined to stay at the crease for long. I think the West Indies board should have a separate squad for Test matches. Otherwise, they will never be able to perform well in Test matches.

West Indies cricket board doesn't even have money to pay for their current players which is the major reason why they like to play other leagues than international matches. WI was the best team in test match as well but its been a long time ago, now alao they got skills but not enough experienced players to keep patience in a five day game.

WI is still 85 runs behind and they have only 4 wickets remaining. Jason Holder is playing good at 60 and is holding the innings together otherwise the match would have been ended in a loss for WI. West Indies will still lose the match today or on the forth day.

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Very poor batting from west indies players. In the first Test against New Zealand, West Indies lost by 134 runs and an innings. It was a completely one-sided Test match. I thought the West Indies would be fixed their mistakes in the second Test. And will fight a bit even if they can't win the match. But I was wrong. West Indies will also lose this Test match by an innings. West Indies scored 124 runs for the loss of 8 wickets.

I cannot remember a Test match where West Indies played well in a very long time and the second Test match against New Zealand is just a replicate of their first match. West Indies is struggling to find quality Test players even though they have players that dominate the T20 format and until they can create interest in the longer format among the younger generation you will always see one sided matches.

As you mentioned the match is not yet over, it will be interesting to know what New Zealand will be deciding whether they want to enforce the follow on or not.

The main problem of Wast Indies players is their lack of patience. They like to play franchises and T20 series. They like short matches, but none of their players is destined to stay at the crease for long. I think the West Indies board should have a separate squad for Test matches. Otherwise, they will never be able to perform well in Test matches.

West Indies cricket board doesn't even have money to pay for their current players which is the major reason why they like to play other leagues than international matches. WI was the best team in test match as well but its been a long time ago, now alao they got skills but not enough experienced players to keep patience in a five day game.

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Quote from: JSRAW on December 13, 2020, 02:27:16 AM

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Babar Azam ruled out due to thumb injury.

He got a fracture in his right thumb while having a practice session on sunday. What sort of practice it is which make you unfit rather than making you fit for the match Huh

First covid-19 rumors and now Babar, Imam, Shadab injuries worries Pakistan ahead of NZ series will further dent the team performance. Angry

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Quote from: Sithara007 on December 12, 2020, 09:55:22 PM

As expected, New Zealand is inching towards another innings win against West Indies. The latter are trailing by 171 runs, with 5 wickets remaining (after follow on was enforced). Tim Southee and Kyle Jamieson picked up 5 wickets each during the West Indies first innings, while Trent Boult and Jamieson have picked up two wickets apiece till now in the second innings.

The West Indies tour of New Zealand ends today. From next week onwards, the Pakistan tour of New Zealand will start, with the first T20I scheduled for 18th December.

Let's start calling Kiwis home track bully as well. Exactly same playing XI bent the knee in Australia last year and now they are bullying Windies at their home turf. #Every team is home track bully.
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Babar Azam ruled out due to thumb injury.

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Very poor batting from west indies players. In the first Test against New Zealand, West Indies lost by 134 runs and an innings. It was a completely one-sided Test match. I thought the West Indies would be fixed their mistakes in the second Test. And will fight a bit even if they can't win the match. But I was wrong. West Indies will also lose this Test match by an innings. West Indies scored 124 runs for the loss of 8 wickets.

I cannot remember a Test match where West Indies played well in a very long time and the second Test match against New Zealand is just a replicate of their first match. West Indies is struggling to find quality Test players even though they have players that dominate the T20 format and until they can create interest in the longer format among the younger generation you will always see one sided matches.

As you mentioned the match is not yet over, it will be interesting to know what New Zealand will be deciding whether they want to enforce the follow on or not.

The main problem of Wast Indies players is their lack of patience. They like to play franchises and T20 series. They like short matches, but none of their players is destined to stay at the crease for long. I think the West Indies board should have a separate squad for Test matches. Otherwise, they will never be able to perform well in Test matches.

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As expected, New Zealand is inching towards another innings win against West Indies. The latter are trailing by 171 runs, with 5 wickets remaining (after follow on was enforced). Tim Southee and Kyle Jamieson picked up 5 wickets each during the West Indies first innings, while Trent Boult and Jamieson have picked up two wickets apiece till now in the second innings.

The West Indies tour of New Zealand ends today. From next week onwards, the Pakistan tour of New Zealand will start, with the first T20I scheduled for 18th December.

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Quote from: vella85 on December 11, 2020, 05:14:07 PM

As we know Will Pucovski is in doubt for a call up in the Australian team for the first test match and so could Cameron Green after getting hit in the head from a straight drive shot while bowling so two of Australia's young talent could be out with concussions.

It is a really unfortunate situation to see Will Pucovski and now Cameron Green out for atleast two weeks due to concession and i was really worried about Cameron Green as the ball hit flush in his head and the response by Siraj during that period dropping the bat and running to aide the injured Green was an instant viral sequence in social media.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on December 12, 2020, 01:45:04 AM

Very poor batting from west indies players. In the first Test against New Zealand, West Indies lost by 134 runs and an innings. It was a completely one-sided Test match. I thought the West Indies would be fixed their mistakes in the second Test. And will fight a bit even if they can't win the match. But I was wrong. West Indies will also lose this Test match by an innings. West Indies scored 124 runs for the loss of 8 wickets.

I cannot remember a Test match where West Indies played well in a very long time and the second Test match against New Zealand is just a replicate of their first match. West Indies is struggling to find quality Test players even though they have players that dominate the T20 format and until they can create interest in the longer format among the younger generation you will always see one sided matches.

As you mentioned the match is not yet over, it will be interesting to know what New Zealand will be deciding whether they want to enforce the follow on or not.

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