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Quote from: akhjob on June 06, 2020, 11:14:01 AM

@JSRAW So looks like the reasons for Darren Bravo, Shimron Hetmyer and Keemo Paul backing off from the ENG is related to family concerns in this Pandemic situation. Keemo Paul seems to be the sole breadwinner for a big family and he is not comfortable leaving them in this situation. Hetmeyer seems to be not comfortable with the family's safety when he leaves the country. Bravo seems to have concerns about his health and its further consequences. So ultimately it's the Corona Pandemic which made them quit the tour.

More info here - Why West Indies Trio pulled out of ENG tour

Quote from: JSRAW on June 07, 2020, 02:23:05 AM

^^Fair enough , no one can argue with that if players are not feeling comfortable due to pandemic and family concern are genuine. Test match don't pay that much amount anyway so its understandable, good part is Windies board not making any fuss over this one.

@akhjob in my personal opinion they have every right to pull out of this tour, as the situation in England has yet not improved, also it’ll be really interesting to see how the player’s plan to keep the ball shining without using their saliva. @JSRAW I’ll agree for a change the West Indies board didn’t create a scene, and this situation was amicably resolved.

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-8351527/England-stars-told-not-sweat-saliva-ball-return-action-plan.html

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/coronavirus-updates-live-lockdown-pandemic-22141698

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^^Fair enough , no one can argue with that if players are not feeling comfortable due to pandemic and family concern are genuine. Test match don't pay that much amount anyway so its understandable, good part is Windies board not making any fuss over this one.

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@JSRAW So looks like the reasons for Darren Bravo, Shimron Hetmyer and Keemo Paul backing off from the ENG is related to family concerns in this Pandemic situation. Keemo Paul seems to be the sole breadwinner for a big family and he is not comfortable leaving them in this situation. Hetmeyer seems to be not comfortable with the family's safety when he leaves the country. Bravo seems to have concerns about his health and its further consequences. So ultimately it's the Corona Pandemic which made them quit the tour.

More info here - Why West Indies Trio pulled out of ENG tour

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Similar to concussion replacement now ICC considering Covid-19 substitutes as well (Like for Like players only) This rule might get green signal from the upcoming series next month (Eng vs WI). Nothing wrong with the proactive approach.

COVID-19 substitutes under ICC consideration

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Currently, substitutes are only allowed in Test cricket in the event a player suffers a concussion, when he can be replaced by a like-for-like player. Marnus Labuschange became Test cricket's first concussion substitute when he replaced Steve Smith in Australia's team during the Lord's Test last summer after Smith was hit by a Jofra Archer bouncer.

However, the ICC are now looking at whether to extend the scope of the measure to cover any player who develops symptoms of COVID-19 during a match. Although the ECB are finalising the medical protocols that would be followed in such a scenario, the player would be isolated immediately while tested and then removed from the rest of the game to isolate if they tested positive.

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COVID-replacements are certainly something that the ICC are discussing," Elworthy told Sky Sports' The Cricket Show. "I have seen communication about that and it's certainly something we hope would be allowed - specifically for Test matches, not necessarily ODIs or T20s.

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Quote from: Indymoney on June 04, 2020, 02:15:47 PM

This atitude and personal like and dislike kills beauty of West Indian cricket and many youngsters leave this for better future and join baseball and basketball worst thing is they cannot solve this all as they all belongs to different countries and all have their own stakes Chanderpaul was really great player and he done many great acheivements for them he deserve this but they stop this all with very negative way.

There is no quick-fix solution for any of this. During the past few decades, there has been a lot of emigration from the West Indies to the United States. Sports such as baseball, basketball and football are becoming more popular, because the respective sports bodies in the US are pumping a lot of money and investment (training/facilities) in to West Indies. Sadly, the ICC is not doing anything to make cricket more attractive there, apart from transferring the annual revenue share to WICB.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on June 04, 2020, 02:06:31 PM

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Also you can see the performace of the West Indies team for last 20 years. Apart from some good wins in T20, they have nothing much to show. One of the reason of West Indies team decline is this politics within the team and no proper structure pf the cricket in their country.

The West Indian cricket structure is very complex, simply because it is an amalgam of close to two dozen independent states and territories. The regional bias is there with every country. In India, people such as Gavaskar and Kumble have been accused of favoring their own states. But with WICB, this regional bias gets in to another level. Legendary players such as Shivnarine Chanderpaul have received bad treatment from the WICB, as a result of this regional/racial bias. Chanderpaul was dropped from the squad, just because the selectors didn't wanted him to end up with more test runs when compared to Brian Lara (he was in top form, and just needed 86 more runs).

I am not saying that Chanderpaul is not to blame. He was very vocal about his race and religion, and it irritated a lot of people.

This atitude and personal like and dislike kills beauty of West Indian cricket and many youngsters leave this for better future and join baseball and basketball worst thing is they cannot solve this all as they all belongs to different countries and all have their own stakes Chanderpaul was really great player and he done many great acheivements for them he deserve this but they stop this all with very negative way.

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Quote from: FIFA worldcup on June 04, 2020, 12:51:26 PM

Also you can see the performace of the West Indies team for last 20 years. Apart from some good wins in T20, they have nothing much to show. One of the reason of West Indies team decline is this politics within the team and no proper structure pf the cricket in their country.

The West Indian cricket structure is very complex, simply because it is an amalgam of close to two dozen independent states and territories. The regional bias is there with every country. In India, people such as Gavaskar and Kumble have been accused of favoring their own states. But with WICB, this regional bias gets in to another level. Legendary players such as Shivnarine Chanderpaul have received bad treatment from the WICB, as a result of this regional/racial bias. Chanderpaul was dropped from the squad, just because the selectors didn't wanted him to end up with more test runs when compared to Brian Lara (he was in top form, and just needed 86 more runs).

I am not saying that Chanderpaul is not to blame. He was very vocal about his race and religion, and it irritated a lot of people.

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@akhjob: Yeah let's see.

Here you go fellas, its 2017 again - Cricket Australia and Players face off coming soon over pay cuts due to massive revenue loss. Significant loss in revenue means more cut in salary/contracts.
Gentle Reminder : Last time Warner led the protest.
Players enraged as pay dispute looms after grim financial prediction

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Another showdown between players and Cricket Australia is on the horizon with the organisation predicting a massive drop in revenue next season of almost 50 per cent.
Sydney Morning Herald reports that the players association was meeting on Thursday to decide on a formal position, but it’s expected that CA’s dire projection won’t be accepted.

The players, who fought hard with CA in 2017 to win a revenue-share model, are reportedly baffled by the projection given India’s visit — worth around $300 million — is expected to go ahead.

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CA also predicts reduced revenue for the 2021-22 season, in which England will tour for the Ashes and this year’s T20 World Cup could belatedly take place, the publication reports.

Sources told SMH that CA indicated as recently as April that revenue was expected to rise above $450 million.

Income received that exceeds CA’s prediction goes to the organisation until the end of the pay deal in 2022 when it is eventually passed on to the players.

According to the publication, CA believes it can avoid a deficit by next June by securing a $100 million line of credit, saving $65 million in staff cuts and reducing state grants by $28 million.

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Quote from: BitSat19 on June 04, 2020, 12:44:31 PM

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It was cheeky comment from my side Cheesy

No doubt Windies is in mess due to their own wrongdoings but No one know actual reason of recent withdrawal from the couple of players so we shouldn't jump into any conclusions.

Now this is nothing new as we have many decades of mess and wrongdoings in West Indies cricket and board they fail to solve issues on table and every time when they are going to be some good few players started their own tricks very sad for West Indies and cricket.

Also you can see the performace of the West Indies team for last 20 years. Apart from some good wins in T20, they have nothing much to show. One of the reason of West Indies team decline is this politics within the team and no proper structure pf the cricket in their country.

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Quote from: JSRAW on June 04, 2020, 06:34:01 AM

It was cheeky comment from my side Cheesy

No doubt Windies is in mess due to their own wrongdoings but No one know actual reason of recent withdrawal from the couple of players so we shouldn't jump into any conclusions.

Now this is nothing new as we have many decades of mess and wrongdoings in West Indies cricket and board they fail to solve issues on table and every time when they are going to be some good few players started their own tricks very sad for West Indies and cricket.

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Quote from: JSRAW on June 03, 2020, 10:45:39 AM

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It's good to see some cricketing action. But already some of the WI players like Bravo, Hetmeyer and Keemo Paul have refused to tour ENG Sad

We also don't know how many of the other ENG/WI players are not willing to play.

I don't see any specific reason in article. Is it because of pandemic or what? Well whatever the reasons, its big blow to Windies team as both Bravo and Hetmeyer are good cricketers. Still 1 month to go so they have enough time to rethink, let's hope they change their decision.

The exact reason for refusing to tour ENG is not known at the moment and yeah it will be a definite blow for WI as they don't have many good players now. We can only hope they would rethink their decisions. But if the pandemic is the reason behind their decision, I don't think they'll change their minds in the 1-month gap. The WI Board claim that the player's decision doesn't affect their future selection, so I just hope that they get a chance to take part in the T20 World Cup and not ignored because of their current decision.

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It was cheeky comment from my side Cheesy

No doubt Windies is in mess due to their own wrongdoings but No one know actual reason of recent withdrawal from the couple of players so we shouldn't jump into any conclusions.

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Quote from: JSRAW on June 03, 2020, 11:13:33 PM

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I don't see any specific reason in article. Is it because of pandemic or what?

Shimron Hetmyer Darren Bravo and Keemo Paul declined to tour England because of the number of corona cases and the number of people died and i can understand why they care about their health than playing the game. I do not think they can be back in the team as they will not be part of the preparation and without going through training i do not think they will be selected even if they want to return for the tour at a later time.

Nothing against their decision as it their choice but i would like to see what happens if by any chance (0.01%) WC or IPL gets a green light and the very same players taking U turn. Tongue

OMG, West Indies cricket is such a mess! This is just politics between the players and the board with Corona being used as an excuse! Such a shame cos WI would be a pretty decent outfit if they could sort it out.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on June 04, 2020, 04:00:37 AM

Quote from: JSRAW on June 03, 2020, 11:13:33 PM

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Nothing against their decision as it their choice but i would like to see what happens if by any chance (0.01%) WC or IPL gets a green light and the very same players taking U turn. Tongue

I was also thinking about the same whether they will fly out to India which is getting worse than the situation in England right now in terms of the number of infected people, will they pass that opportunity saying my health or they will fly but then Shimron Hetmyer Darren Bravo and Keemo Paul are not popular picks in the IPL and i do not remember them playing any matches.

For the T20 World Cup they might go if they are picked because the situation in Australia is not that scary.

Good money and fame would take them anywhere. IPL gives good money and fame, Worldcup will help them boost their IPL earning so in my opinion for both the tournaments they will be ready. This is applicable for all players and why not who does not love money here.

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Quote from: JSRAW on June 03, 2020, 11:13:33 PM

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Nothing against their decision as it their choice but i would like to see what happens if by any chance (0.01%) WC or IPL gets a green light and the very same players taking U turn. Tongue

I was also thinking about the same whether they will fly out to India which is getting worse than the situation in England right now in terms of the number of infected people, will they pass that opportunity saying my health or they will fly but then Shimron Hetmyer Darren Bravo and Keemo Paul are not popular picks in the IPL and i do not remember them playing any matches.

For the T20 World Cup they might go if they are picked because the situation in Australia is not that scary.

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Quote from: JSRAW on June 03, 2020, 10:45:39 AM

I don't see any specific reason in article. Is it because of pandemic or what?

Shimron Hetmyer Darren Bravo and Keemo Paul declined to tour England because of the number of corona cases and the number of people died and i can understand why they care about their health than playing the game. I do not think they can be back in the team as they will not be part of the preparation and without going through training i do not think they will be selected even if they want to return for the tour at a later time.

Nothing against their decision as it their choice but i would like to see what happens if by any chance (0.01%) WC or IPL gets a green light and the very same players taking U turn. Tongue

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Quote from: JSRAW on June 03, 2020, 10:45:39 AM

I don't see any specific reason in article. Is it because of pandemic or what? Well whatever the reasons, its big blow to Windies team as both Bravo and Hetmeyer are good cricketers. Still 1 month to go so they have enough time to rethink, let's hope they change their decision.

Shimron Hetmyer Darren Bravo and Keemo Paul declined to tour England because of the number of corona cases and the number of people died and i can understand why they care about their health than playing the game. I do not think they can be back in the team as they will not be part of the preparation and without going through training i do not think they will be selected even if they want to return for the tour at a later time.

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Quote from: akhjob on June 03, 2020, 10:15:42 AM

It's good to see some cricketing action. But already some of the WI players like Bravo, Hetmeyer and Keemo Paul have refused to tour ENG Sad

We also don't know how many of the other ENG/WI players are not willing to play.

I don't see any specific reason in article. Is it because of pandemic or what? Well whatever the reasons, its big blow to Windies team as both Bravo and Hetmeyer are good cricketers. Still 1 month to go so they have enough time to rethink, let's hope they change their decision.

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Quote from: JSRAW on June 03, 2020, 06:09:35 AM

One more month fellas....
ECB announces schedule of three closed-door Tests against WI

"Proposed Tour Schedule

First Test: July 8-12, Ageas Bowl Southampton

Second Test: July 16-20, Old Trafford Manchester

Third Test: July 24-28, Old Trafford Manchester"

It's good to see some cricketing action. But already some of the WI players like Bravo, Hetmeyer and Keemo Paul have refused to tour ENG Sad

We also don't know how many of the other ENG/WI players are not willing to play.

Edit: But this is the current WI squad announced:

Quote from: https://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/darren-bravo-shimron-hetmyer-and-keemo-paul-refuse-to-tour-england-for-test-series-2240164

The Squad:

Jason Holder, Kraigg Brathwaite, Shai Hope, Shane Dowrich, Roston Chase, Shemarh Brooks, Rahkeem Cornwall, Nkrumah Bonner, Alzarri Joseph, Chemar Holder, John Campbell, Raymon Reifer, Kemar Roach, Jermaine Blackwood.

Reserves: Sunil Ambris, Joshua Da Silva, Shannon Gabriel, Keon Harding, Kyle Mayers, Preston McSween, Marquino Mindley, Shane Moseley, Anderson Phillip, Oshane Thomas, Jomel Warrican.

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