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Quote from: onrise on January 19, 2020, 04:46:02 AM

Kock and philander innings help SA to atleast get past 200 runs but was not enough to avoid follow on and rain came in the picture again and halted the match . Though SA still trail by 275 runs and England will try to win it by innings and some runs rather than to bat again in this test match .

I was expecting the rain could save South Africa but that never happened and now they lost it completely as they lost all their batsman and it is a matter of time the England bowlers pick the rest of the wickets. It is disappointing to see that they are not even able to compete even with Sri Lanka with a young team and the troubles they have against England was not surprising.

Zimbabwe and Sri Lanka is playing and Zimbabwe is playing the real test with a run rate of under 2 runs, the interesting aspect is that they just lost 2 wickets and if they bat for the entire second day then they can balance the match.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 18, 2020, 11:39:36 PM

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When you place your bets on a draw, you should believe both the teams will outperform each other or atleast give a tough fight. So when ENG has already put up 499 runs on board, SA eventually has to fight back by scoring at atleast 300 runs and avoid a follow. Moreover, I have some belief in the SA lower-order batsmen Tongue

Remember Philander and Maharaj knock against India during the last series? Today Nortje did a fantastic job, Philander is also doing great.

91 runs still needed to avoid a follow on, with 5 of the most important batsmen and Nortje back in the pavillion. Quinton de Kock is the last recognized batsmen and I don't think that Vernon Philander is going to survive for much longer. Dom Bess has taken 5 wickets so far, and he will finish the job today with his spin bowling. Also, for this match South Africa had selected Dane Paterson instead of Dwaine Pretorius to conform with the racial quotas. And this is going to further weaken their batting abilities (Pretorius is an all rounder, while Paterson is a bowler).

Kock and philander innings help SA to atleast get past 200 runs but was not enough to avoid follow on and rain came in the picture again and halted the match . Though SA still trail by 275 runs and England will try to win it by innings and some runs rather than to bat again in this test match .

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Quote from: akhjob on January 18, 2020, 10:26:47 AM

When you place your bets on a draw, you should believe both the teams will outperform each other or atleast give a tough fight. So when ENG has already put up 499 runs on board, SA eventually has to fight back by scoring at atleast 300 runs and avoid a follow. Moreover, I have some belief in the SA lower-order batsmen Tongue

Remember Philander and Maharaj knock against India during the last series? Today Nortje did a fantastic job, Philander is also doing great.

91 runs still needed to avoid a follow on, with 5 of the most important batsmen and Nortje back in the pavillion. Quinton de Kock is the last recognized batsmen and I don't think that Vernon Philander is going to survive for much longer. Dom Bess has taken 5 wickets so far, and he will finish the job today with his spin bowling. Also, for this match South Africa had selected Dane Paterson instead of Dwaine Pretorius to conform with the racial quotas. And this is going to further weaken their batting abilities (Pretorius is an all rounder, while Paterson is a bowler).

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SA 1st innings has not being the way they would have expected as they have lost already 6 wickets and trail by another 291 runs and will have to watch if they get all out quickly so will England give them follow on or will come out to bat .

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Quote from: Sithara007 on January 17, 2020, 11:36:24 PM

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Just checked the scores, looks like the overnight partnership between Stokes and Pope went strong today and a nice addition of ~100 runs from Curran and Wood. With 499 runs in the 1st innings, ENG will be happy but I highly doubt if we will get a result in this match. Though Curran is available, Jofra Archer is missing, so I think SA will somehow manage to get something around 350+ and somehow bat towards a draw.

Why do you think that South Africa will get to 350, when they failed to cross 300 in any of their innings so far? My guess is that South Africa will follow on, and England will win by an innings (despite rain interruption). The morale of the South African team is not good right now, especially after all the controversy surrounding the omission of Bavuma. I would be surprised if they manage a score above 250. Archer was not in great form, and therefore his absence is not going to have much of an impact.

When you place your bets on a draw, you should believe both the teams will outperform each other or atleast give a tough fight. So when ENG has already put up 499 runs on board, SA eventually has to fight back by scoring at atleast 300 runs and avoid a follow. Moreover, I have some belief in the SA lower-order batsmen Tongue

Remember Philander and Maharaj knock against India during the last series? Today Nortje did a fantastic job, Philander is also doing great.

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Quote from: onrise on January 18, 2020, 06:05:21 AM

What a spell by Bess who have taken all the five wickets of SA innings and SA are now 113/5 and trailing by 386 runs. If England can wrap them under 299 runs then they might give them follow on as well. In the meanwhile rain has interrupted the match and see what changes does SA plan to ensure they do not get all out very quickly from this stage.

It is difficult to see that South Africa is not able to produce quality players and even Sri Lanka came and defeated them in their home soil and in the past to defeat South Africa in their home soil is a big deal let alone win the series but now they do not have enough quality players to replace those legendary players. I used to remember they used to produce quality all rounders one after the other while some of the countries used to struggle to produce even a single all rounder. Coming into this match it is going to be another humiliating defeat.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on January 18, 2020, 03:07:13 AM

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Stokes and Popes partnership is the turning point for England to make that 499 runs and also England bowlers have started well and picked up 2 wickets quickly for a score of 60. SA trail now by 439 runs. If England can take a lead of 150+ in first innings they will fancy their chance to win it.

They already lost two important wickets for just 60 runs. I don't expect them to make a total exceeding 200-220. England will ask them to follow on, and the chances are that the match will be over by tomorrow. England needs to win this series, after the mixed results they had in New Zealand. They are the world champions (in ODI) and therefore the fans expect them to win.

What a spell by Bess who have taken all the five wickets of SA innings and SA are now 113/5 and trailing by 386 runs. If England can wrap them under 299 runs then they might give them follow on as well. In the meanwhile rain has interrupted the match and see what changes does SA plan to ensure they do not get all out very quickly from this stage.

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Quote from: onrise on January 18, 2020, 01:10:25 AM

Stokes and Popes partnership is the turning point for England to make that 499 runs and also England bowlers have started well and picked up 2 wickets quickly for a score of 60. SA trail now by 439 runs. If England can take a lead of 150+ in first innings they will fancy their chance to win it.

They already lost two important wickets for just 60 runs. I don't expect them to make a total exceeding 200-220. England will ask them to follow on, and the chances are that the match will be over by tomorrow. England needs to win this series, after the mixed results they had in New Zealand. They are the world champions (in ODI) and therefore the fans expect them to win.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 17, 2020, 05:42:23 AM

South Africa is in deep trouble now. England already built a big partnership for 5th wicket, 185 runs and counting.. 333/4 score atm and they are clearly heading towards 450+ as @juggy777 mentioned before.

Edit : 1st session finished and England is standing strong. Ben stokes proving his worth once again...

Just checked the scores, looks like the overnight partnership between Stokes and Pope went strong today and a nice addition of ~100 runs from Curran and Wood. With 499 runs in the 1st innings, ENG will be happy but I highly doubt if we will get a result in this match. Though Curran is available, Jofra Archer is missing, so I think SA will somehow manage to get something around 350+ and somehow bat towards a draw.

Stokes and Popes partnership is the turning point for England to make that 499 runs and also England bowlers have started well and picked up 2 wickets quickly for a score of 60. SA trail now by 439 runs. If England can take a lead of 150+ in first innings they will fancy their chance to win it.

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Quote from: akhjob on January 17, 2020, 09:56:36 AM

Just checked the scores, looks like the overnight partnership between Stokes and Pope went strong today and a nice addition of ~100 runs from Curran and Wood. With 499 runs in the 1st innings, ENG will be happy but I highly doubt if we will get a result in this match. Though Curran is available, Jofra Archer is missing, so I think SA will somehow manage to get something around 350+ and somehow bat towards a draw.

Why do you think that South Africa will get to 350, when they failed to cross 300 in any of their innings so far? My guess is that South Africa will follow on, and England will win by an innings (despite rain interruption). The morale of the South African team is not good right now, especially after all the controversy surrounding the omission of Bavuma. I would be surprised if they manage a score above 250. Archer was not in great form, and therefore his absence is not going to have much of an impact.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 17, 2020, 05:42:23 AM

Edit 1 : England declared the inning at 499 runs. Ben stokes and Ollie pope are centurion for English team. Even number 10 batsman Mark Wood scored the 42 runs against the Proteas's bowlers.

Ben Stokes is their main player as he is rescuing the England team from many difficult positions for a long time and with the dismal form of Joe Root they are relying on other players to step up the game and today the youngster Ollie Pope scored his maiden Test century and the tail end batsman also contributed some good partnership which helped England to score 499 runs and South Africa already lost 2 wickets and that too to a new young English spinner and if he is able to pick wickets in the second day i wonder how they will be facing the spinner in the 4th day as i am not expecting the match to go in the final day as the morning session will determine whether South Africa will be fighting to save the match.

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 17, 2020, 05:42:23 AM

South Africa is in deep trouble now. England already built a big partnership for 5th wicket, 185 runs and counting.. 333/4 score atm and they are clearly heading towards 450+ as @juggy777 mentioned before.

Edit : 1st session finished and England is standing strong. Ben stokes proving his worth once again...

Just checked the scores, looks like the overnight partnership between Stokes and Pope went strong today and a nice addition of ~100 runs from Curran and Wood. With 499 runs in the 1st innings, ENG will be happy but I highly doubt if we will get a result in this match. Though Curran is available, Jofra Archer is missing, so I think SA will somehow manage to get something around 350+ and somehow bat towards a draw.

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Quote from: ene1980 on January 16, 2020, 05:01:42 PM

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Coming to the match against England and South Africa even though none of the players made huge scores they are in control of the match and if they are able to score 150 to 200 runs then they have the total to defend against the current South African team but i am expecting some resistance from the South African batsman.

South Africa is in deep trouble now. England already built a big partnership for 5th wicket, 185 runs and counting.. 333/4 score atm and they are clearly heading towards 450+ as @juggy777 mentioned before.

Edit : 1st session finished and England is standing strong. Ben stokes proving his worth once again...

Edit 1 : England declared the inning at 499 runs. Ben stokes and Ollie pope are centurion for English team. Even number 10 batsman Mark Wood scored the 42 runs against the Proteas's bowlers.

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Quote from: BitSat19 on January 16, 2020, 04:08:49 PM

This is 100% correct in this World Cup these two matches was fixed and Bangladesh defeat was just by Nawaz Sharif's governments orders because they was thinking to send some good gesture from here but Bangladesh Governments response was very poor but match was surely fixed as I have many friends those have very big amounts on this match and they won big amouns.

Are you sure about this? Because the betting companies are not idiots. If there is some unusual activity in a particular match (like very high number of bets placed for a team having very little chance of win) and the result is not as per the expectation, then they will freeze the reward and start an inquiry in to it. The rewards will be distributed only if the inquiry finds that there is no foul play associated with that particular sporting event. And as far as I know, the betting pattern for the Pakistan vs Bangladesh match of 1999 was not classified as "suspicious" by the betting firms.

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Quote from: BitSat19 on January 16, 2020, 04:08:49 PM

This is 100% correct in this World Cup these two matches was fixed and Bangladesh defeat was just by Nawaz Sharif's governments orders because they was thinking to send some good gesture from here but Bangladesh Governments response was very poor but match was surely fixed as I have many friends those have very big amounts on this match and they won big amouns.

This is a new revelation as some of the matches were clouded with these sort of controversies as some of the players were banned during that period but i have not heard about many getting a life ban other than Saleem Malik and it is clear that you cannot fix a match with one player as it is a team sport and it is not clear which matches were fixed.

Coming to the match against England and South Africa even though none of the players made huge scores they are in control of the match and if they are able to score 150 to 200 runs then they have the total to defend against the current South African team but i am expecting some resistance from the South African batsman.

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A couple of decades back, it was Bangladesh's biggest wish to play against Pakistan in Pakistan; I can't believe how much the stuff has changed since then.

In the late 90s, Pakistan even deliberately lost against the Tigers just so that they can get the Test status. Lips sealed

Oh my god!! Are you serious? You are saying that Bangladesh got the test status because Pakistan deliberately lost some matches against them. This is the first time that I am hearing such allegations. Do you have any evidence to support your claim? I am someone who watched the match between Pakistan and Bangladesh during the 1999 world cup. I never thought that it was fixed and I stick to my point even now. You are insulting the entire Bangladeshi team and its fans.

I'm serious; it did happen in all of 1999. If the players hadn't fixed it, they would've won that one too along with 1992.

Have a look at the following:

(as most people here discussing are Indians, I suppose you won't have difficulty in understanding the Urdu/Hindi written/spoken in the following)

https://www.siasat.pk/forums/threads/why-pakistan-lost-99-world-cup-final-ijaz-ahmad-shares-inside-info.432901/

Pakistan fixed two World Cup matches

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/international/pakistan/3013808/Pakistan-fixed-two-World-Cup-matches.html

This is 100% correct in this World Cup these two matches was fixed and Bangladesh defeat was just by Nawaz Sharif's governments orders because they was thinking to send some good gesture from here but Bangladesh Governments response was very poor but match was surely fixed as I have many friends those have very big amounts on this match and they won big amouns.

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I do agree with that as South Africa does lack good player who can bat for a long period of time and it will be another disappointing match for South Africa.

It looks like the England players are really determined to win the match by the way in which they are progressing and this is the slowest Test match i have seen in a very long time with a run rate of around 2.4 and if they are able to post a total of over 350 runs then it will be a difficult task for South Africa as they are yet to find the perfect combination in the Test team.

This is how teams should be batting in test matches, especially while playing in pitches which are conductive to pace bowling. A few decades back, a run rate of 2.4 runs per over would be considered nothing special. But nowadays, most of the matches have a scoring rate of 3.5 to 4.0 runs per over. Batsmen no longer have the patience to defend against good bowlers.

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Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on January 16, 2020, 11:12:17 AM

I do agree with that as South Africa does lack good player who can bat for a long period of time and it will be another disappointing match for South Africa.

It looks like the England players are really determined to win the match by the way in which they are progressing and this is the slowest Test match i have seen in a very long time with a run rate of around 2.4 and if they are able to post a total of over 350 runs then it will be a difficult task for South Africa as they are yet to find the perfect combination in the Test team.

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Quote from: Raja_MBZ on January 16, 2020, 10:46:54 AM

I'm not so sure guys; however, if you ask me, I believe that there could be some truth hidden inside those allegations as Pakistan's team was literally at its very best back in 1999.

They performed really well in 1999 and i expected them to win the World Cup when they reached the finals, but then Pakistan showed the ultimate betrayal when they were dominated by Australia and it was a one sided trashing.

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on January 16, 2020, 10:47:03 AM

They are doing the right thing. Any score above 350 is going to give advantage to England. So far in this series, South Africa has never managed a total above 300, in any of their innings. England bowlers are in top form, and if they get a score above 350-400, then it should be enough to thrash the Proteas. The partnership between Pope and Stokes is worth 76 runs as of now, and I won't be surprised if one of them hits a century tomorrow.

I do agree with that as South Africa does lack good player who can bat for a long period of time and it will be another disappointing match for South Africa.

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Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on January 16, 2020, 10:37:47 AM

England batsman got the start but they were not able to capitalize on the start they got and they are progression at a very slow rate.

They are doing the right thing. Any score above 350 is going to give advantage to England. So far in this series, South Africa has never managed a total above 300, in any of their innings. England bowlers are in top form, and if they get a score above 350-400, then it should be enough to thrash the Proteas. The partnership between Pope and Stokes is worth 76 runs as of now, and I won't be surprised if one of them hits a century tomorrow.

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