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Quote from: Raja_MBZ on January 15, 2020, 05:35:50 PM

A couple of decades back, it was Bangladesh's biggest wish to play against Pakistan in Pakistan; I can't believe how much the stuff has changed since then.

In the late 90s, Pakistan even deliberately lost against the Tigers just so that they can get the Test status. Lips sealed

Oh my god!! Are you serious? You are saying that Bangladesh got the test status because Pakistan deliberately lost some matches against them. This is the first time that I am hearing such allegations. Do you have any evidence to support your claim? I am someone who watched the match between Pakistan and Bangladesh during the 1999 world cup. I never thought that it was fixed and I stick to my point even now. You are insulting the entire Bangladeshi team and its fans.

I'm serious; it did happen in all of 1999. If the players hadn't fixed it, they would've won that one too along with 1992.

Have a look at the following:

(as most people here discussing are Indians, I suppose you won't have difficulty in understanding the Urdu/Hindi written/spoken in the following)

https://www.siasat.pk/forums/threads/why-pakistan-lost-99-world-cup-final-ijaz-ahmad-shares-inside-info.432901/

Pakistan fixed two World Cup matches

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/international/pakistan/3013808/Pakistan-fixed-two-World-Cup-matches.html

This is 100% correct in this World Cup these two matches was fixed and Bangladesh defeat was just by Nawaz Sharif's governments orders because they was thinking to send some good gesture from here but Bangladesh Governments response was very poor but match was surely fixed as I have many friends those have very big amounts on this match and they won big amouns.

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Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on January 16, 2020, 11:12:17 AM

I do agree with that as South Africa does lack good player who can bat for a long period of time and it will be another disappointing match for South Africa.

It looks like the England players are really determined to win the match by the way in which they are progressing and this is the slowest Test match i have seen in a very long time with a run rate of around 2.4 and if they are able to post a total of over 350 runs then it will be a difficult task for South Africa as they are yet to find the perfect combination in the Test team.

This is how teams should be batting in test matches, especially while playing in pitches which are conductive to pace bowling. A few decades back, a run rate of 2.4 runs per over would be considered nothing special. But nowadays, most of the matches have a scoring rate of 3.5 to 4.0 runs per over. Batsmen no longer have the patience to defend against good bowlers.

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Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on January 16, 2020, 11:12:17 AM

I do agree with that as South Africa does lack good player who can bat for a long period of time and it will be another disappointing match for South Africa.

It looks like the England players are really determined to win the match by the way in which they are progressing and this is the slowest Test match i have seen in a very long time with a run rate of around 2.4 and if they are able to post a total of over 350 runs then it will be a difficult task for South Africa as they are yet to find the perfect combination in the Test team.

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Quote from: Raja_MBZ on January 16, 2020, 10:46:54 AM

I'm not so sure guys; however, if you ask me, I believe that there could be some truth hidden inside those allegations as Pakistan's team was literally at its very best back in 1999.

They performed really well in 1999 and i expected them to win the World Cup when they reached the finals, but then Pakistan showed the ultimate betrayal when they were dominated by Australia and it was a one sided trashing.

Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on January 16, 2020, 10:47:03 AM

They are doing the right thing. Any score above 350 is going to give advantage to England. So far in this series, South Africa has never managed a total above 300, in any of their innings. England bowlers are in top form, and if they get a score above 350-400, then it should be enough to thrash the Proteas. The partnership between Pope and Stokes is worth 76 runs as of now, and I won't be surprised if one of them hits a century tomorrow.

I do agree with that as South Africa does lack good player who can bat for a long period of time and it will be another disappointing match for South Africa.

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Quote from: SaShiRaJaVu on January 16, 2020, 10:37:47 AM

England batsman got the start but they were not able to capitalize on the start they got and they are progression at a very slow rate.

They are doing the right thing. Any score above 350 is going to give advantage to England. So far in this series, South Africa has never managed a total above 300, in any of their innings. England bowlers are in top form, and if they get a score above 350-400, then it should be enough to thrash the Proteas. The partnership between Pope and Stokes is worth 76 runs as of now, and I won't be surprised if one of them hits a century tomorrow.

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I'm not so sure guys; however, if you ask me, I believe that there could be some truth hidden inside those allegations as Pakistan's team was literally at its very best back in 1999.

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Quote from: Raja_MBZ on January 16, 2020, 10:07:11 AM

I'm serious; it did happen in all of 1999. If the players hadn't fixed it, they would've won that one too along with 1992.
Pakistan fixed two World Cup matches
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/international/pakistan/3013808/Pakistan-fixed-two-World-Cup-matches.html

Pakistan never defeated India in world cup history and you really do not need to bribe anyone to loose the match Cheesy

. The bookies might have approached them as all the matches during that period were sketchy and so was the reason many players were banned or were under suspicion that they took money from bookies and manipulated matches.

England batsman got the start but they were not able to capitalize on the start they got and they are progression at a very slow rate.

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According to Sarfraz Nawaz, two of Pakistan's matches during the 1999 World Cup were fixed. I could still digest if they say that they had fixed the match against Bangladesh. But when Nawaz claims that the India vs Pakistan match was also fixed..... I am finding it almost impossible to believe. Taking in to account all the bad blood between the two nations, do you really believe that Pakistani players would have the courage to fix a match against India? If they do so, then they will be hounded down in Pakistan.

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Quote from: Raja_MBZ on January 15, 2020, 05:35:50 PM

A couple of decades back, it was Bangladesh's biggest wish to play against Pakistan in Pakistan; I can't believe how much the stuff has changed since then.

In the late 90s, Pakistan even deliberately lost against the Tigers just so that they can get the Test status. Lips sealed

Oh my god!! Are you serious? You are saying that Bangladesh got the test status because Pakistan deliberately lost some matches against them. This is the first time that I am hearing such allegations. Do you have any evidence to support your claim? I am someone who watched the match between Pakistan and Bangladesh during the 1999 world cup. I never thought that it was fixed and I stick to my point even now. You are insulting the entire Bangladeshi team and its fans.

I'm serious; it did happen in all of 1999. If the players hadn't fixed it, they would've won that one too along with 1992.

Have a look at the following:

(as most people here discussing are Indians, I suppose you won't have difficulty in understanding the Urdu/Hindi written/spoken in the following)

https://www.siasat.pk/forums/threads/why-pakistan-lost-99-world-cup-final-ijaz-ahmad-shares-inside-info.432901/

Pakistan fixed two World Cup matches

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cricket/international/pakistan/3013808/Pakistan-fixed-two-World-Cup-matches.html

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Quote from: Raja_MBZ on January 15, 2020, 05:35:50 PM

A couple of decades back, it was Bangladesh's biggest wish to play against Pakistan in Pakistan; I can't believe how much the stuff has changed since then.
In the late 90s, Pakistan even deliberately lost against the Tigers just so that they can get the Test status. Lips sealed

Are you serious, loosing a match deliberately to help a team to get Test status is ridiculous as it will attract a ban if i am not mistaken but i am not sure about these history. When Bangladesh was not having Test status they will be eager to play to have more traction so that they will get the status they were looking for and in the past Pakistan has some of the best bowlers in history especially Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis and if they were in the team i am sure Bangladesh would have suffered badly. Hope you meant that by taking the main players from the team to help Bangladesh and not the other way around.

What a load of BS!! I didn't noticed this post. Bangladesh were granted test status because they performed well (within their limits) during the 90s and due to the fact that cricket is the most popular sport there. They didn't got the test status because they were able to beat Pakistan in 1999. That might have played a very minor role, but claiming credit for that is like Poland claiming that they were the ones who defeated the Nazi Germany in 1945.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on January 16, 2020, 08:15:49 AM

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SA vs Eng.

@JSRAW I’m sure South Africa will put up a decent fight this time round, though I’ll be honest I’m not expecting them to win this test match. It’s been a while since you last updated the score here, and England have lost two wickets and currently have scored 134 runs. Further when I see both these current batman’s playing I feel they’ll be able to take England’s score 450+, and South Africa will again be chasing a big total.

450+ runs seems tough task as they already lost 4 wickets at 186 runs and new ball is due with in 3-4 overs so South Africa can fancy their chances to get at least 1 more wicket before stumps, still England should touch 300 runs mark (or may be 350) and it looks good score for 1st inning.

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Quote from: Raja_MBZ on January 15, 2020, 05:35:50 PM

A couple of decades back, it was Bangladesh's biggest wish to play against Pakistan in Pakistan; I can't believe how much the stuff has changed since then.
In the late 90s, Pakistan even deliberately lost against the Tigers just so that they can get the Test status. Lips sealed

Are you serious, loosing a match deliberately to help a team to get Test status is ridiculous as it will attract a ban if i am not mistaken but i am not sure about these history. When Bangladesh was not having Test status they will be eager to play to have more traction so that they will get the status they were looking for and in the past Pakistan has some of the best bowlers in history especially Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis and if they were in the team i am sure Bangladesh would have suffered badly. Hope you meant that by taking the main players from the team to help Bangladesh and not the other way around.

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There seems to be a lot of controversy ongoing in South Africa over the selection. Temba Bavuma have been kicked out of the team for poor performance (he averaged 19.84 per innings last year). The board is not happy, because he was the only Black batsman in the squad. Some of the board members want Faf du Plessis to be replaced with Bavuma. Let's see how that works.

BTW, the board has given strict instructions for the second test (to decrease the representation of white players). As a result, Dane Paterson has been included in the side (replacing Dwaine Pretorius).

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Quote from: JSRAW on January 16, 2020, 05:33:11 AM

SA vs Eng

England won the toss and opt to bat once again, you gotta feel for Faf, for losing second toss . now proteas have to bat at 4th-5th day again. Cheesy

So far so good for English team, 61 run partnership for 1st wicket.

@JSRAW I’m sure South Africa will put up a decent fight this time round, though I’ll be honest I’m not expecting them to win this test match. It’s been a while since you last updated the score here, and England have lost two wickets and currently have scored 134 runs. Further when I see both these current batman’s playing I feel they’ll be able to take England’s score 450+, and South Africa will again be chasing a big total.

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Quote from: Raja_MBZ on January 15, 2020, 05:35:50 PM

~snip~

A couple of decades back, it was Bangladesh's biggest wish to play against Pakistan in Pakistan; I can't believe how much the stuff has changed since then.

In the late 90s, Pakistan even deliberately lost against the Tigers just so that they can get the Test status. Lips sealed

Background story might be helpful here.

SA vs Eng

England won the toss and opt to bat once again, you gotta feel for Faf, for losing second toss . now proteas have to bat at 4th-5th day again. Cheesy

So far so good for English team, 61 run partnership for 1st wicket.

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Quote from: Raja_MBZ on January 15, 2020, 05:35:50 PM

A couple of decades back, it was Bangladesh's biggest wish to play against Pakistan in Pakistan; I can't believe how much the stuff has changed since then.

In the late 90s, Pakistan even deliberately lost against the Tigers just so that they can get the Test status. Lips sealed

Oh my god!! Are you serious? You are saying that Bangladesh got the test status because Pakistan deliberately lost some matches against them. This is the first time that I am hearing such allegations. Do you have any evidence to support your claim? I am someone who watched the match between Pakistan and Bangladesh during the 1999 world cup. I never thought that it was fixed and I stick to my point even now. You are insulting the entire Bangladeshi team and its fans.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on January 15, 2020, 12:22:10 PM

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The situation in Pakistan is really tricky, if the teams are not willing to tour because of security reasons the Pakistan cricket board cannot do anything about it but they can take a strict decision on not playing in neutral ground and what the ICC will do in these situation is to be seen as there was already an attack against cricket players and if something goes wrong it will be a big burden for the board and considering these situation i am not expecting the ICC to force any team to tour Pakistan. They have their PSL coming up and let them conduct the entire tournament and show the whole world that they are safe for sport.

The attack against the Sri Lankan players happened in 2009, which is more than a decade ago. Times have changed. The Sri Lankan team team has visited Pakistan multiple times after that incident, without any major security issues. When the Sri Lankans can visit, I don't understand the reluctance being shown by the other teams (especially Bangladesh, a country which had its own fair share of terrorist attacks).

A couple of decades back, it was Bangladesh's biggest wish to play against Pakistan in Pakistan; I can't believe how much the stuff has changed since then.

In the late 90s, Pakistan even deliberately lost against the Tigers just so that they can get the Test status. Lips sealed

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^^^^ Well.. I have also not visited either Pakistan or Bangladesh (although Bangladesh border is around 100 km from where I live). The security situation in Pakistan varies from region to region. The major cities (Karachi, Peshawar, Lahore, Rawalpindi.etc) have remained relatively free from violence. But it is an entirely different story if you go to the tribal areas.

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Quote from: Vishnu.Reang on January 15, 2020, 12:22:10 PM

The attack against the Sri Lankan players happened in 2009, which is more than a decade ago. Times have changed. The Sri Lankan team team has visited Pakistan multiple times after that incident, without any major security issues. When the Sri Lankans can visit, I don't understand the reluctance being shown by the other teams (especially Bangladesh, a country which had its own fair share of terrorist attacks).

To be frank i have not visited these countries and i am not willing to risk my life even as a tourist as we have seen attacks in news left and right and that is a real situation that we cannot hide. If the team members and the cricket board are confident that the government will provide the best security then they will sent the players, i am a cricket viewer who wages bet and i would like to see everyone visiting all the nations and that is how competition and odds will become interesting but unfortunately all the matches against Pakistan are conducted in neutral grounds and pitches are sub par which deteriorates and aides spinners from day two. I like to see the matches in Pakistan and i am sure the performance will be different and the pitches will be better.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on January 15, 2020, 11:51:58 AM

The situation in Pakistan is really tricky, if the teams are not willing to tour because of security reasons the Pakistan cricket board cannot do anything about it but they can take a strict decision on not playing in neutral ground and what the ICC will do in these situation is to be seen as there was already an attack against cricket players and if something goes wrong it will be a big burden for the board and considering these situation i am not expecting the ICC to force any team to tour Pakistan. They have their PSL coming up and let them conduct the entire tournament and show the whole world that they are safe for sport.

The attack against the Sri Lankan players happened in 2009, which is more than a decade ago. Times have changed. The Sri Lankan team team has visited Pakistan multiple times after that incident, without any major security issues. When the Sri Lankans can visit, I don't understand the reluctance being shown by the other teams (especially Bangladesh, a country which had its own fair share of terrorist attacks).

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