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November 28, 2013, 08:47:54 AM
There are probably a lot of BTC just sitting in bitfunder on accounts that were never linked to WeExchange.  When 3December hit and all your remaining BitCoin goes to WeExchange that should give the owner a nice little pop in earnings........

yeah, I hope they don't disintegrate too. I have some bitcoins in bitfunder as well as some stuck in weexchange...

Funny thing is that weexchange was desinged to protect us in case our bitfunder accounts got hacked...

In any case. If I eventually get my coins, with BTC price still 1K+ I'll already be content.

Heck, I'd even thank ukyo for blocking my access to those coins and not letting me sell them for 500s.


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November 28, 2013, 08:02:44 AM
There are probably a lot of BTC just sitting in bitfunder on accounts that were never linked to WeExchange.  When 3December hit and all your remaining BitCoin goes to WeExchange that should give the owner a nice little pop in earnings........
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November 28, 2013, 06:19:47 AM
You lost the money. They were spent inappropriately on business and personal expenses. Better hope NEOBEE bails them out, but their current plan has severe conditions.

Better hope NEOBEE doesn't use its investors money to bail out ukyo..
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November 28, 2013, 01:38:31 AM
I successfully withdrew an amount of AUD from WeEx on 19/11. There have been no further successful trades there since.

Strange that the site owner doesn't post a notice under 'news' on his own site to let users know what is going on.

I have a small quantity of Bitcoin stuck in WeEx.

Will wait patiently a while.
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November 28, 2013, 01:07:43 AM
So if I am reading this correctly,

Even if I can get my WeExchange account linked to my bitfunder account....which currently isn't working (and any help appreciated)

I'll be screwed and cannot get the BTC out of WeExchange?

Am I missing something here?

Yes. Any deposits made to WeExchange have disappeared into a void and you have no hope currently of getting them back.

Ukyo has been accepting deposits for the last month + gladly, with no ability to pay people back when they withdraw.

Ukyo plans to at least tell people what happened 'at some point in the future'.
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November 28, 2013, 12:57:48 AM
I can only say from writing with ukyo via IRC that it looks like he is waiting for a company or so to help him. Its a crucial part of his plan. When i write with him i have the impression that he really is behind this. Of course i can imagine that its hard to see it the same way when he doesnt show up in the forum. But at the end everyone could contact him via IRC. He is nearly all the time online.

He claimed he is asking back with the company often and it looks good so far.

If its true then im sure they will tell him the answer he needs and when that happens he can explain his plan detailed.

Thats how i understood it. I dont have the impression that he is trying to do some stunt. Even though i dont understand why its more important to repair weexchange instead paying out and crush it. Maybe NEOBEE will buy or use it or something like that? Ukyo spoke some weeks ago about some big player that will use Weexchange. Maybe thats NEOBEE.

Im willing to give him some more days time and really really hope he is giving some more infos soon.

The resource Weex holding is still valuable, at least a lot of people already got verified there.

He should be working on getting everyones money back and be done with it. I think it would be disgusting if instead he is working on v2.0 thinking anybody will trust his shitty services again.
if he resolved all things ,I will keep trusting him!!
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November 27, 2013, 08:50:34 PM
I can only say from writing with ukyo via IRC that it looks like he is waiting for a company or so to help him. Its a crucial part of his plan. When i write with him i have the impression that he really is behind this. Of course i can imagine that its hard to see it the same way when he doesnt show up in the forum. But at the end everyone could contact him via IRC. He is nearly all the time online.

He claimed he is asking back with the company often and it looks good so far.

If its true then im sure they will tell him the answer he needs and when that happens he can explain his plan detailed.

Thats how i understood it. I dont have the impression that he is trying to do some stunt. Even though i dont understand why its more important to repair weexchange instead paying out and crush it. Maybe NEOBEE will buy or use it or something like that? Ukyo spoke some weeks ago about some big player that will use Weexchange. Maybe thats NEOBEE.

Im willing to give him some more days time and really really hope he is giving some more infos soon.

The resource Weex holding is still valuable, at least a lot of people already got verified there.

He should be working on getting everyones money back and be done with it. I think it would be disgusting if instead he is working on v2.0 thinking anybody will trust his shitty services again.
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November 27, 2013, 08:47:48 PM
I can only say from writing with ukyo via IRC that it looks like he is waiting for a company or so to help him. Its a crucial part of his plan. When i write with him i have the impression that he really is behind this. Of course i can imagine that its hard to see it the same way when he doesnt show up in the forum. But at the end everyone could contact him via IRC. He is nearly all the time online.

He claimed he is asking back with the company often and it looks good so far.

If its true then im sure they will tell him the answer he needs and when that happens he can explain his plan detailed.

Thats how i understood it. I dont have the impression that he is trying to do some stunt. Even though i dont understand why its more important to repair weexchange instead paying out and crush it. Maybe NEOBEE will buy or use it or something like that? Ukyo spoke some weeks ago about some big player that will use Weexchange. Maybe thats NEOBEE.

Im willing to give him some more days time and really really hope he is giving some more infos soon.

The resource Weex holding is still valuable, at least a lot of people already got verified there.
newbie
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November 27, 2013, 08:42:41 PM
So if I am reading this correctly,

Even if I can get my WeExchange account linked to my bitfunder account....which currently isn't working (and any help appreciated)

I'll be screwed and cannot get the BTC out of WeExchange?

Am I missing something here?
legendary
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November 27, 2013, 05:50:17 PM
I can only say from writing with ukyo via IRC that it looks like he is waiting for a company or so to help him. Its a crucial part of his plan. When i write with him i have the impression that he really is behind this. Of course i can imagine that its hard to see it the same way when he doesnt show up in the forum. But at the end everyone could contact him via IRC. He is nearly all the time online.

He claimed he is asking back with the company often and it looks good so far.

If its true then im sure they will tell him the answer he needs and when that happens he can explain his plan detailed.

Thats how i understood it. I dont have the impression that he is trying to do some stunt. Even though i dont understand why its more important to repair weexchange instead paying out and crush it. Maybe NEOBEE will buy or use it or something like that? Ukyo spoke some weeks ago about some big player that will use Weexchange. Maybe thats NEOBEE.

Im willing to give him some more days time and really really hope he is giving some more infos soon.
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November 27, 2013, 05:07:00 PM
Good work you're doing, will send you what I have soon, and I have a lot. I have not settled on pursuing the case legally or taking other means to ensure that I receive my funds. Lawsuits take months or years, however Ukyo does have the financial capacity to fully repay me.
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November 27, 2013, 04:04:45 PM
I give up.... Do with this information as you will. Deadlines come, deadlines go, bitcoins lost.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0Bza0Sx1iSRWqYVRiMkRaLVlrcFE&usp=sharing

Excellent report there, krimsonkla.

Op. Brewster:
As has been requested it is asked to cryptocyprus aka Danny Brewster of Neo & Bee to specify whether he is a creditor or a lender to Jon Montroll of Weexchange or none of those.

To please specify if his plan is just limited to tech help and if so, to report the tech status of the Weex wallet as well as an, as it should be clear at this point in time, informed time frame for resolution.

Danny Brewster: your help is greatly appreciated but you have not provided any useful information at all, no time frames, and no tech reports, even though you claim that "Everyone at Neo & Bee are now involved in this resolution process".
If your tech people is so good as you claim then you should have at least an estimated timeline for resolution at this point.

A sincere tech report has nothing to do with "legal issues" (your words). May be if you are creditor or a lender or have any liabilities there, then it has.
Please provide real and useful information and not sales pitches that seem to seek delay after delay.
It has been requested that you do so and post a clarification in the next 24 hours.

Also it seems that, as of today, your "IPO" has been a disaster for many, if not all of your "shareholders", as reflected in your "shares" price. In fact most of your shares remained unsold at Jon Montroll's Bitfunder site. Do you have any liabilities there?
How do you expect people to trust you when suddenly entering the Weex scene with no factual solution or timeline provided?
Please send a tech report on the work done, the work remaining to be done and an estimated timeline, how many techs are involved and what is their qualification as well as some proof of work screenshots. Also disclose if you are a creditor or lender or none to Jon Montroll of Texas.

Weexchange users could then have a basis to decide whether to wait or take immediate action.



More to come. shitfanleaks will stop posting as soon as Jon Montroll from Texas has processed and payed ALL pending weexchange withdrawals to ALL users.
Users having information, leaks and/or links and wanting it to be published just send a PM (source will be protected).

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November 27, 2013, 03:04:21 PM
G.ASICMINER-PT did not have divs this week can anyone here get us the bitcoin address associated with the PT so we can see if the divs were moved it will make a hell of an arguement against Ukyo.

01:51] <@Ukyo> i need to make a post on the loan thread tomorrow
[01:51] <@Ukyo> I dont want to keep paying users out for the loan via bf due to weex issues
[01:51] <@Ukyo> same as why i havent pushed the AM PT divs to bitfunder
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[01:51] <@Ukyo> in fact, i told FC _NOT_ to send the funds nad hold them, he sent them anyways

http://pastebin.com/VnYL63dr

legendary
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November 27, 2013, 02:42:32 PM
G.ASICMINER-PT did not have divs this week can anyone here get us the bitcoin address associated with the PT so we can see if the divs were moved it will make a hell of an arguement against Ukyo.

I guess DeaDTerra needs to know the address since he had to ask friedcat to move the shares to the new pt-owner ukyo. It would be strange indeed when bitcoins from that address were moved after the last div payment. At some point the manual withdraw stopped and it looks like it was some weeks ago.
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November 27, 2013, 02:25:05 PM
G.ASICMINER-PT did not have divs this week can anyone here get us the bitcoin address associated with the PT so we can see if the divs were moved it will make a hell of an arguement against Ukyo.
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November 27, 2013, 02:10:39 PM
Not sure where to post this, but I will post it here so it's at least on record.

2013-11-04 16:32:01    Withdraw    1.16259159 BTC       Processing
legendary
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November 27, 2013, 01:48:06 PM
Relevant here. Have some additional information on Ukyo too, I will be following up there for now and will publicly disclose later. I can tell you from blockchain analysis it would take a miracle for everyone to get money back, if any at all.

Where is this blockchain analysis and why do you think the bitcoins are gone? I doubt its so easy to find things out.

I see absolutely no alternative at this point to getting the legal authorities involved, immediately.

Ukyo's delays and evasions demonstrate that he cannot resolve this problem in a reasonable way. 

Frankly, I think the only thing we can expect now is for the truth of how he lost our money to come out, but if there is some left, it needs to be distributed according to a judge/trustee's direction.  And, in the truth coming out, we can learn enough to avoid a recurrence of this. 

Is Ukyo a thief or an failed businessman?  Did he spend the money we deposited or did he lose control of it?

Without the intervention of authority, Ukyo will continue to scramble and evade and things will get worse as he tries to dig his way out.

Legal authorities? Now? When he is known in person, he is still communicating and it looks like he seems to work on it (NEOBEE)? If anyone manages to involve authorities and they close everything down so that ukyo cant access the wallet anymore and after a year of fighting we could get our bitcoins out only then i will switch my anger to this smart person. Really... what good will come out from this now?

This is different from other scams like labcoin. He is known in person and he has problems of some kind. But government involvement at this state will hurt more than help. I think they might even be able to format the harddisc with the wallet on it.

Saying that... i dont want to wait. If he has to wait for someone then he has to state this publicly. He has to come with the facts because this small pieces of nothing is nothing. It makes me angry only. While in fact i think he will have a good explaination. BUT HE NEEDS TO COME WITH THE FACTS!
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November 27, 2013, 10:30:25 AM
Either you have the money or not.

If NEO is there for the legal part vs some govermental setup. Good
If NEO is there for making the money show up in a magical way. Not Good.

sr. member
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November 27, 2013, 10:11:52 AM
1/10 of a Bitcoin? I wish that was my situ.

There's a post on the Neobee thread that says more is going to be said in the near future. Whatever the full story and however Neo think they can help, we need to give them that chance. If it turns out they can't, we'll know soon enough. I know it's being taken seriously though; ukyo needed external help.
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November 27, 2013, 10:08:16 AM
So what do you suggest? It looks that we'll lose our funds anyway and responsible ppl for this crap will flee free without any legal consequences.

Tomy, I completely understand your view but I can only point you to the above. It's very important that Neo are given the time they need to help make this work. It is being done properly and in ways you really can't imagine, but anyone throwing ukyo in front of a bus right now, legal or otherwise, is significantly bumping the chance of us saying goodbye to -all- our money. So as much as we're all angry, we need to do the right thing.



Everything is along the lines of "trust us, we can't tell you what's going on, but we're doing something."  This is not being handled well.  I did go to read the original thread as you suggested and immediately people are suspicious of what is going on.  Doing this behind a cloak is going to backfire.  Eventually the police will get involved and more people will have legal issues to deal with. 

I personally only have 1/10th of a bitcoin in all this, so I'm not personally fussed about the money so much as I am the disastrous situation this is for others. 

If this is only a technical glitch, all the more reason for Ukyo and Neo to go forward proactively to the police to say that there is an issue, not a scam and that they are working on it.  If the money is spent, loaned or otherwise gone, neo can't help and we need to let due process run its course on what is left. 

Again, this is a lot of money, not some mining group buy gone south.
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