Topic: The 94% Con by Jon Montroll - page 15. (Read 85009 times)

No matter how I look at it, Ukyo is in the wrong here. If he can't post some kind of proof that the funds are intact or some kind of progress report on the actual technical difficulty, then the only logic conclusion is that the funds are not there.

Date   2013-11-14 18:45:16
Transaction ID   LwoqtjA7VuvMap485UxAlFqOrFwHloYy
Type   Withdraw
Debit   0.34732180 BTC
Credit   
Fee   0.00000000 BTC
BTC Transaction   
Status   Processing

Still waiting since november 14th, please send me my BTC.

BTC : 13uRRaWdrBJornBwhBCHR3dbWoLzNxjsfS

I notice that the last bitcoins I sent in to weexchange as still at the address i sent to:

https://blockchain.info/address/1362Fgp2MKTnqBXq5hK8kss2ch3Jb41qb4

UKYO CAN YOU JUST REFUND THIS TRANSACTION PLEASE!

Maybe, but at least BFL delivered.

[03:34] <@Ukyo> its also been holidays as Danny mentioned.

Wow. Just wow. Ukyo is saying 'I promised to say what happened with over the 2 million dollars that was deposited into my exchange and than vanished into thin air. Maybe I'll give an answer this week. Oh sorry it's pushed back there was a holiday.'

Does anyone buy this? 

This is the ole BFL "coming in 2 weeks" run-around.

2013-11-21 11:19:13    Instant Payment From: BitFunder
Transaction ID    UOLis5sDZLKCLftfhjmvzM6CH5SLTzIb 1.07493991 BTC

Here's the thing though. However long you choose to give this, at the end of that time you need to approach a lawyer if it has not been resolved, individually or as groups. So yes, that is how it works as unfair though it sounds. Indeed, I just had to pay my lawyer over bitcoin securities advice and it doesn't come cheap. That's another reason why neo should be given time.

Everyone wants this over, including Ukyo.

I have already said, give it this week and next week to find out more. I hope that will be enough to at least know something more tangible. Danny has said there will be something said on Friday.

Let's say Ukyo continues to prolong the process? At which point should we take actions in your opinion? A few weeks? Months? Years?

It also doesn't make sense that everyone (who feels like it) contacts their lawyers to explore legal options.

But I agree that we should get back to topic.

Then you haven't been reading my posts have you. You do know I was the one that raised the alarm in the very first place, right? Before lophie, before you, before anyone else. I also have a lot more than lophie stuck.

BTW You're accusing someone of stealing when the only thing that's actually public is we cannot move our funds out. That's bad, no question, but it doesn't prove theft.

I've commented enough on what's being done, as much as I can do, and if you have money stuck then either hire a lawyer and do as I suggested or give Neo/ukyo time to resolve this. Neo have said there will be more information on Friday.

That's hardly derailing the thread. That's how people should deal with the situation, not posting what lophie did.

At least he's still around. Waiting game it is then. Just under a month so far with no funds so, this is probably going to stretch into mid January with all the holidays I expect.

I just hope that when (or if) the full story comes out that everyone in the community will go "Jesus Christ - what a nightmare problem THAT was to fix" instead of "why not just do x?". Although I'm new to bitcoin scene, I suspect that's probably only way that Ukyo can hold is head up high.... Good luck to him!

You know what, ffssixtynine, I don't care if Lophie is being childish, and you're trying to derail the thread. The problem is ukyo stealing over a million dollars of coin, not someone making a poor choice in comments because they're frustrated about their loss. Trying to swap victimhood onto the thief while condemning the actual victim is pretty fucking repulsive and you should be ashamed of yourself, but of course you're not.

You spend a lot of time on here helping with delay tactics for ukyo. It's pretty obvious you're in cahoots.

Lophie, you're being an idiot and childish, and that's at best. You're going to look extremely foolish once the full story can be revealed.

If you aren't prepared to wait then hire a lawyer and have them speak to Neo, who have said they will do this. There are no excuses for not doing so if you're that unhappy. I also don't blame anyone for doing so - it's a fair thing to do, but your lawyer can only advise based on what they know, and they need to be aware of Neo's involvement and who Neo are.

Same goes for anyone else throwing accusations around but not actually doing anything about it for themselves. You're not dealing with any anonymous people here, unlike TradeFortress, BTCE or Labcoin.

Personally, and perhaps I speak only for myself, but I'm very thankful with have a major company helping ukyo on our behalf. How many other times has that happened when something has gone wrong?

His kids are irrelevant to the situation at hand, don't be a creep.

Disappeared from IRC, Now security issuers announced he owe them great amounts of coins, Estimations now +2mil$$. But no the admins here don't want me to make remarks about Ukyo's kids 

+1 to this in an attempt to get this thread back on to the main subject at hand....

Any latest news from Ukyo via IRC?

allright, I will stop being a child, I deleted them because of spite, how admins deleted my post about Ukyo's two kids......

Who is the kids now......... <---- this guy

Here is the original information, why don't you just edit the OP and paste it back in?


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The 2nd Stage Server Con ( Currently ~$1,250,000 )
A MILLION DOLLARS!!

we currently have two addresses for Ukyo. However, the more recent one than the one posted above, will only be released as part of a legal request or process, as stated by the source

Also we have the legal documents or the company and we are filling the proper complain forms to submit to the proper authorities on the matter.

Latest News:: Ukyo's may reply!

I wish it was "Ukyo will reply", All I have is chat logs where he claimed that he will reply, Of course he used "Will" and "soon" and at this point we expect a unixtime and signed messages. So he still the failure he is. He claims to have prepared documents and I personally say if he only spent that effort on solving the problem first..... But apparently guys for a long time no one will see these coins ever........

Maybe indeed he did not spend them...... doesn't mean we cannot either because it was not a screw up of his......


What happened::

     Ukyo is the operator of WeExchange.co. Recently trying to withdraw anything from the exchange would result into an error message "Could not connect to 2nd stage server." and thus getting the bitcoins stuck in WeExchange. throughout the past several weeks Ukyo was active and communicative regarding this issue and indeed manually he processed many stuck withdrawal requests.

In the very recent couple of days the error occurrences jumped from unlikely, likely, most likely and currently it is definitely! Currently every single withdrawal from WeExchange results into a "Could not connect to 2nd stage server." error.

This SCAM accusation thread is actually the last straw before a full blown scam accusation and finger pointing, it tries to explain the impatience with Ukyo and why, currently, it is more likely that Ukyo simply does not have the funds at all! In the worst case scenario we hope to get Ukyo a Scammer tag simply because he is not taking the means of tagging himself "I am not a scammer!". His arguements along with ours are to be listed and discussed below after the general information of the SCAM template.

Scammers Profile Link: https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/ukyo-35121

Reference Link: (Current list of locked funds)

Amount Scammed (Currently):


Username       WeExchange ID        Amount        Time Stamp                                 Addressed by Ukyo   
Lophie   YxiQt0rNwlkWQAgDYuFvr1YrzGctHmwu   23.10535577BTC   2013-11-17 00:11:42a   No
Lophie   xF6XHUVF5uOnEtrSpS0TogFTvB9Qe62h   0.20049528BTC   2013-11-17 01:54:52   No
Pompolus   uIIxCevq18AuQe1i2jTftijKq6Fj03cf   5.49994209BTC   2013-11-02   No
Pompolus   GlWNK4426syVhELe97ew7K62gOmqtfD3   5.00000000BTC   2013-11-02   No
marcox   tWu1D0EccouQUAaphm1ZZzFTSdP8DWVs   0.89445361BTC   2013-11-06 05:27:03   No
marcox   H8IXDh2Hs8qIMAXf8kM855ZQoGFRhZJA   2.60710030BTC   2013-11-07 18:29:44   No
marcox   lzku8uFDzD5DcvooGGRnlB2celktFkPu   2.47134580BTC   2013-11-10 19:25:03   No
jimmydorry   XXw7oIRTNImdQ3T2JeO4BNvBjEUFTFAg   2.28360144BTC   2013-11-13 18:18:59   No
Falko0815   DkcQSadTbyuqcuOD2R4a2UqB0zvnGPZW   13.30000000BTC   2013-10-28 12:36:12   No
? ? ? ? ? ?     pr5svxyA2suAqcjWs3VLfxlev1642Ene   15.70391641BTC   2013-11-07 18:10:50   No
? ? ? ? ? ?     EVTTxYuOio18a7lBeyZ4O9NEAXbOpKcq   1.32756000BTC   2013-11-17 18:54:08   No
? ? ? ? ? ?     LqXRstA2sLr7PBoQM7aBu6Ax0DFqwTEz   1.29067248BTC   2013-11-07 20:43:38   No
pascal257   jh9INdt8MDRpGIhK2eZ7CdGY57FktqbX   6.49756834BTC   2013-11-06 17:16:14   No
pascal257   WLeGOBwVuPYtPYybJnEUN6KqAMfLy85X   5.62559241BTC   2013-11-19 03:00:54   No
? ? ? ? ? ?     ? ? ? ? ? ?     9.08146630BTC   2013-11-17   No
? ? ? ? ? ?     ? ? ? ? ? ?     2.00000000BTC   2013-11-05 09:17:50   No
? ? ? ? ? ?     ? ? ? ? ? ?     2.00007727BTC   2013-11-16 12:23:21   No
? ? ? ? ? ?     UNwr0BdIh3Tn5f4H7DlGIfhBHsmurjmj   4.85676424BTC   2013-11-13 10:00:07   No
? ? ? ? ? ?     JjPv39O4dgp162r0VzfJKruQ8kgsJdwr   15.10514544BTC   2013-11-14 00:45:28   No
? ? ? ? ? ?     FMqaz0QA0hw73brc3xAVaOTkc1yiTu0w   0.32242729BTC   2013-11-10 08:55:22   No
? ? ? ? ? ?     ewZcOaMpwldg8bUOhWlRpdKmx6vYCb8u   3.50000000BTC   2013-11-02 08:13:20   No
yellowhotel    vtYsAz0KjA9LQDci6K2EhkMriUmVNgFa   1.39959870BTC   2013-11-13 19:22:57   No
? ? ? ? ? ?     3I4PHGKO0VGqrAiRtnlO0M1C8WkDexWg   10.00000000BTC   2013-11-14 08:01:18   No
? ? ? ? ? ?     5sX7MOM6dWcCrmZFvJEWqotknKnGVF6D   4.26580120BTC   2013-11-14 08:00:18   No
? ? ? ? ? ?     nnRqGJw7MZywFa36UtzPEqUCzxgjAxoW   0.42415565BTC   2013-11-05 02:48:53   No
? ? ? ? ? ?     Sc72FvUStRqnSMoKsPfzokbhY0UGCjcN   3.08923157BTC   2013-11-06 07:09:44   No
lennytrt34g3   czdbgZ148KpRyIdTvNhm83KRi2K3Ssdk   4.26580120BTC   2013-11-05 10:15:49   No
lennytrt34g3   nC1oU3xlAAAv1KsrrNuiLU5TYm6S8Bj6   0.24526709BTC   2013-11-18 07:00:19   No
Bogart   xrJAdNj9tlUB8cuYr4vS94hrjL4TMVnZ   1.00168000BTC   2013-11-16 13:04:25   No
Dark_Angel   PZEDJxfaXJ1KgpLp0fQOHwNGssA4edTi   53.70174523BTC   2013-10-28 23:25:36   No
Dark_Angel   molxIMEbilidID1EindQFQPwXVrwWNIR   25.77427186BTC   2013-11-16 09:44:04   No
Spekko   jGNVrCNa3QRZdGg6gnZTHwpXDojrtrIU   0.13611151BTC   2013-11-19 10:40:51   No
? ? ? ? ? ?     ZsbB2ypj5LMQHYHNgHGLxIdaXJS2pxDi   8.26148998BTC   2013-11-05 17:09:21   No
Namjies   5sX7MOM6dWcCrmZFvJEWqotknKnGVF6D   60.00000000BTC   2013-11-05   No
Namjies   5sX7MOM6dWcCrmZFvJEWqotknKnGVF6D   22.00000000BTC   2013-11-14   No
Namjies   5sX7MOM6dWcCrmZFvJEWqotknKnGVF6D   93.85582229BTC   2013-11-14   No
? ? ? ? ? ?     kcs3jYpO9dxAAzPVdRW84plmzdezDwLt   50.53418842BTC   2013-11-12 14:26:08   No
? ? ? ? ? ?     A12jwKA40sEIPXcrsOQeaq1jCFpKda7n   108.71626650BTC   2013-11-13 12:44:59   No
? ? ? ? ? ?     ? ? ? ? ? ?     0.15000000BTC   2013-11-13 15:38:33   No
? ? ? ? ? ?     yqju7Rd8ypIRCrJE9NKzhyp2ZDajeqcB   ----------BTC   2013-11-07 12:05:26   No
? ? ? ? ? ?     juwdmJpxkqI8OyrM6EuryK4IJGixTxsX   ----------BTC   2013-11-07 13:10:58   No
? ? ? ? ? ?     AFRAM5lSzNIJMFbhf9ieGbaMriMUrQJB   ----------BTC   2013-11-07 13:11:36   No
? ? ? ? ? ?     tDNLUZk3BHXfOnyv7Ybe2KBFfPb6ravz   ----------BTC   2013-11-08 08:14:54   No
? ? ? ? ? ?     w9GHJKu9ZyR1J9AXA8nMFwiCVyepccP1   115.00000000BTC   2013-11-08 08:16:03   No
? ? ? ? ? ?     2f1rhTmeYaQz2qxOsS8kYloqIBa2FyKy   0.45268995BTC   2013-11-13 15:38:33   No
? ? ? ? ? ?     QoU1tfdIhQJmDHVAGlni3GS9SdL0zueX   20.00000000BTC   2013-11-05 20:11:51   No
? ? ? ? ? ?     zUrirJV5FKQhdvFttruUwQgGNPs9Eg7r   48.00000000BTC   2013-11-03 10:57:11   No
? ? ? ? ? ?    u8SX6mOkztGXEc62FEQR4v03DDw4Ni6x   34.98429813BTC   2013-10-31 02:10:47   No
rockxie      250.00000000BTC   2013-11-04 09:37:02   No
stonehoo   E8MleOjtd7eMEDGThCq821MESXJz5d90   44.54173751BTC   2013-11-05 02:33:46   No
? ? ? ? ? ?    L4svMxzqWkmf2re9eux5Z0fNky9UksE2   10.92132404BTC   2013-11-15 14:23:45   No
? ? ? ? ? ?    1u2i8RVMNWoT2m9LRzhBfOmsNxQkp4Zh   9.45888272BTC   2013-11-09 21:20:17   No
            
   
Total 
   1177.47290458BTC, currently i~$900,000      
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Payment Method: BTC deposit

Proof of Payment: https://blockchain.info/address/126xgFue6fgkmCqNCY6ypaqzzk78NPPwEZ, But  actually unless Ukyo admit owning these addressess' private keys, this is not a sufficient proof.

The Argument:

     After pressing Ukyo to give an explanation regarding the error he claims that the server hosting bitcoind daemon fails to comply with the RPC command that is made by WeExchange server to withdraw some bitcoins to a users' given btc address and amount. He claims to be seeking help around to solve this problem. He claims that the trigger of this problem is the accumulation of a large number of private keys held by that bitcoind daemon. In the recent past of a few weeks this problem occurs (occasionally) and now it always occurs for every single withdrawal request. He claims that he tried to add more resources and changing the host systems with no different results

    I personally proposed the following: I proposed Ukyo change the software backend to libbitcoin which can handle larger amounts of private keys held due to its design. I also proposed he uses Electrum 1.9 connecting to nodes using Tor (with writing some RPC wrappings). More importantly I urged Ukyo to STOP the withdrawal functionality due to the instability of the automation system, and currently the system is completely not working.

    Facts are facts and they state that Ukyo closed Bitfunder because there are not enough funds to pursue legalizing state of bitfunder,  Ukyo delayed the dividents of G.ASICMINER-PT for a whole week claiming he needed Friedcat to tell him the amount for the divs per share, a very easy argument to defeat which is knowing that amount just a few hours after the dividents is very easy from TAT, Jutarul, The online list and forum posts. Seeking consistency from several users from the public addresses and ASICMINER div transaction is very very easy. Which leads to the very simple conclusion that  Ukyo basically did not have the funds and needed longer time to accumulate them.

This makes it very easy to reach the conclusion that the error on WeExchange happens simply because the wallet on the bitcoind daemon server DOES NOT have enough funds to create such transactions, recently it sometimes had it and sometimes did not, But now it is simply an empty wallet.

In the next sections we have "demands" which we believe it will ease our minds regarding this (very-obvious-to-us) conclusion and assuring or Ukyo's seriousness and truthfulness regarding his claims and intentions to fix the problem. In the next couple of days -if not responded to by Ukyo- We are willing to post a dead line before seeking a scammer tag on his username and pursuing legal actions on his person. We believe it is only fair in case of his utmost ignorance to our dilemmas and suspicions.


PM/Chat Logs:

Additional Notes:

Demands:

    ETA:
         Ukyo so far avoid posting any ETA for either solving the problem or processing a certain withdrawal request. We are asking for a solid well defined ETA for each transaction to be processed.

    Proof of funds:
         The word going around is that Ukyo has gone fractional and that he does not have the funds to process all pending withdrawal requests. A signed message from an address he owns (msg:WeExchange transaction ID) with enough funds will shatter this rumour. We reached a place where asking for this is necessary.

    Disabling withdraw feature off WeExchange (or at least posting a warning):
         Wither Ukyo like it or not he DOES NOT have a working automatic system for withdrawals. He MUST either disable withdraw feature off WeExchange or at least post a warning.



Donation address to Lophie's broken fingers copying, pasting and calculating all this: 1LophieEaKWKtqGWoTDp5TDhB7rGjneHep

Who cares who did what!

Any more news from uyko?