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Topic: The Cypherfunks[FUNK]: a coin for a global band! Talking v2. Join! 80+ songs - page 61. (Read 148746 times)

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It will be okay Simon, the coin may have broken but the idea is priceless. My brother is getting married today, so I'll be busy until next week. Until then cheer up bro! Everything will work out fine.

Thanks man! Have fun!

So. Seems the coin is hashing along okay.

What I'd like to try and you guys have to work with me here (say it's stupid or awesome), is perhaps relaunch the coin. Have had several people tell me they didn't get involved due to the high coin supply. Another thing is: the mining part as distribution mechanism is not correlated at all to the "music making" part. So while PoW is cool for (reasonably) "fair" distribution, it doesn't have anything to do with the music making.

So, here's what I'm thinking. We relaunch the coin and do the following.

We create a pool of money that is for the FUNK1 owners. Anything after a certain block is not valid. Anything before a certain block IS valid. If you BURN the old FUNK (send it an non-usable address to destroy it), and prove you owned that address it was sent from (signing the key), I will distribute from this pool, the amount you are owed. This will be kept open for at least 6 months.

The coin supply will be much lower. Max 4 million (after PoW). After that, it will be moved to PoS with an inflation of 1% - 8%. Proof of Stake has additional incentives in this ecosystem, because 1) those who have FUNK, gets more FUNK. In other words, those musicians who have been tipped the most, will get more over time. It rewards the musicians, not the miners. We will have much more time as we don't have to contend with the inflationary pressures anymore. Music making takes time. Days, weeks, and even months. Pressure from markets need to be more relaxed. Keeping the coin supply lower, means we can hopefully also stay in the BTC markets. It's annoying to have to buy LTC or Doge to buy/sell FUNK.

So. The split will be as follows. 2M will be divided amongst the previous owners. A set exchange rate will be determined once it's decided at which block FUNK1 will end. Then for 4 weeks, we will have a PoW stage, where the rest of the 2M will be mined. From then onwards, it will be pure PoS.

I consider this pretty decent. Those who stuck around. Those who were vested in it have 2M of the new coins (if they burn it). But we want new blood and incentives for new people to mine and get involved and thus release 50% to them.

The PoW stage will hopefully be multi-algo (if we can find a coin that has done in such a way), otherwise we'll find a scrypt or X11 coin and fork from there.

So, at the end, we will hopefully have a much better "coin" part:

1) More time. We don't have to contend with a huge influx of coins the whole time.
2) Musicians can earn more FUNK through staking, not the miners.
3) Less supply so we stay in the BTC markets (not into LTC or Doge).
4) A second go! Cheesy

Any ideas, or thoughts, or changes you can recommend, please do. I'll try and find time to get around to the technical parts. Once we agree on a roadmap, I will make it official. I will then dev the coin to match the requirements. And from then I will announce at which block the old FUNK won't be able to be exchanged to the new FUNK. Then when the block hits, I will then announce the date of the new coin's launch.

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It seems like it's working now.  Cheesy
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Seems like it is breaking some more. These spikes are odd. Doesn't make sense! https://i.imgur.com/9U7x7k5.png

oi vey.
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Okay guys.

After today's hiccup, we're back on track with okay hashing... But. We can't deny that the coin part of the experiment has been going downhill.

As much as I don't want to admit it, it is. I've got a nasty knot in my stomach just thinking about it. So many people have invested time, money and music with this project (respect). We aren't down and out. Still kicking. But we have to face the facts. The music side is doing well. New people are joining and we are enjoying making music (I am at least). But the coin side isn't.

A token that represents the community might be enough, but not initially. There needs to be an additional incentive for ownership to catalyse the network effect. We CAN relaunch the coin [more algorithms for miners, lower supply, etc], we CAN add merge mining and so forth, but it won't change that the coin part needs a lot of effort to make it worth holding. As many of you have said, we need to make it useful for something. That's difficult.

Frankly. I don't know what we can do. All the options take time, risk and resources. I unfortunately don't have a lot of them available.

I can ask: what can we do? Unfortunately I don't think there's an easy answer. It will all take effort. New experiments we have to try. The easiest way out is to buy us time, and liquidity. That means getting someone to inject money into the system... but try convincing any investor currently to buy FUNK... Uphill battle.

I've had so much fun so far with you guys. We must find a way to keep this going. Going to spend this weekend with some introspection and figure out some way we can tackle this.
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I'm out of town traveling until next Monday traveling, but hopefully no more stickiness in any event.
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i'm back online too. so, do i need to stay on the p2p? not that it matters much, just wondering if solomining provides the same network support as pool mining? seems it would ... anyway, the coins are stacking nice, i'll keep it here a while

I guess just check the latency of the p2pool. Don't think it makes that big a difference if there is not a lot of competition. Thanks for helping Groggin. Monitoring the chain for a while, see what happens.
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i'm back online too. so, do i need to stay on the p2p? not that it matters much, just wondering if solomining provides the same network support as pool mining? seems it would ... anyway, the coins are stacking nice, i'll keep it here a while
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Some weird shit is happening though.

http://funkexplorer.n00bsys0p.co.uk/chain/Cypherfunk

Old and new blocks intertwined. I wonder if someone attacked, and withheld blocks? Feels like it.

https://i.imgur.com/aP2TY1T.png
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Woohoo! It got unstuck! Catching up now.
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i've put my small GPU (~88 khps) on the p2pool, as my wallet is still offline, i'll put the other up too as soon as i can

Thanks Groggin! Smiley

Right. So we have 1.4MH/s online. Seems to be still stuck. Might have to hire a much stronger rig. Any help appreciated.
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i've put my small GPU (~88 khps) on the p2pool, as my wallet is still offline, i'll put the other up too as soon as i can
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  (i posted this at the same time as above, ...)

what is wrong with a low hash rate when almost noone is buying? a lower hashrate supports a higher selling price. allcrypt's floor is carpeted with FUNKs @ .00000001. i just don't get it???

  i took a month or two off from mining CF, as there was no market, though at least now one can raise some cash (and help distribute the FUNK) selling for doge

i think wide distribution becomes extremely important when someone like me, with less than 1 mh can mine about 1% of the total money supply, which i was maintaining until i went mining elsewhere abt 6 weeks ago
  -- i guess that might be a good reason to open up to more miners, come to think of it   Shocked

  anyway, reason for posting this AM is i'm solo mining FUNK, (and doing GREAT, but) ... but the wallet keeps loosing synch. the miner just stopped about an hour ago, the wallet complaining it's two hours behind ...

nodes?

  debug.log:
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2014-06-26 11:51:10 connection timeout
2014-06-26 11:51:10 trying connection 78.25.120.144:33666 lastseen=3005.1hrs
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2014-06-26 11:51:22 trying connection 173.22.193.248:33666 lastseen=1409.8hrs
2014-06-26 11:51:27 connection timeout
2014-06-26 11:51:28 trying connection 62.158.131.59:33666 lastseen=39.4hrs
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Like I said in the previous post. The chain is stuck atm. The KGW retargeted so hard, it wrapped (I think), setting the diff higher than it should. I'm renting a rig and throwing some hashes it at for the next 3 hours, to un stuck it.

So yes. It would say, it is losing sync.
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  (i posted this at the same time as above, ...)

what is wrong with a low hash rate when almost noone is buying? a lower hashrate supports a higher selling price. allcrypt's floor is carpeted with FUNKs @ .00000001. i just don't get it???

  i took a month or two off from mining CF, as there was no market, though at least now one can raise some cash (and help distribute the FUNK) selling for doge

i think wide distribution becomes extremely important when someone like me, with less than 1 mh can mine about 1% of the total money supply, which i was maintaining until i went mining elsewhere abt 6 weeks ago
  -- i guess that might be a good reason to open up to more miners, come to think of it   Shocked

  anyway, reason for posting this AM is i'm solo mining FUNK, (and doing GREAT, but) ... but the wallet keeps loosing synch. the miner just stopped about an hour ago, the wallet complaining it's two hours behind ...

nodes?

  debug.log:
Quote
2014-06-26 11:51:10 connection timeout
2014-06-26 11:51:10 trying connection 78.25.120.144:33666 lastseen=3005.1hrs
2014-06-26 11:51:15 connection timeout
2014-06-26 11:51:16 trying connection 115.152.3.244:33666 lastseen=94.6hrs
2014-06-26 11:51:21 connection timeout
2014-06-26 11:51:22 trying connection 173.22.193.248:33666 lastseen=1409.8hrs
2014-06-26 11:51:27 connection timeout
2014-06-26 11:51:28 trying connection 62.158.131.59:33666 lastseen=39.4hrs
2014-06-26 11:51:33 connection timeout
2014-06-26 11:51:33 trying connection 71.182.156.193:33666 lastseen=2225.0hrs
2014-06-26 11:51:38 connection timeout
2014-06-26 11:51:39 trying connection 31.13.144.53:33666 lastseen=1238.4hrs
2014-06-26 11:51:44 connection timeout
2014-06-26 11:51:45 trying connection 198.52.103.59:33666 lastseen=2999.6hrs
2014-06-26 11:51:50 connection timeout
2014-06-26 11:51:50 trying connection 25.19.236.80:33666 lastseen=2487.9hrs
2014-06-26 11:51:55 connection timeout
2014-06-26 11:51:56 trying connection 116.24.49.53:33666 lastseen=1807.6hrs
2014-06-26 11:52:01 connection timeout
2014-06-26 11:52:01 trying connection 194.68.104.18:33666 lastseen=1488.0hrs
2014-06-26 11:52:06 connection timeout
2014-06-26 11:52:07 trying connection 113.119.137.201:33666 lastseen=3000.8hrs
2014-06-26 11:52:12 connection timeout
2014-06-26 11:52:13 trying connection 111.77.83.22:33666 lastseen=13.0hrs
2014-06-26 11:52:18 connection timeout
2014-06-26 11:52:18 trying connection 105.236.155.13:33666 lastseen=171.9hrs
2014-06-26 11:52:23 connection timeout
2014-06-26 11:52:24 trying connection 31.13.144.30:33666 lastseen=188.9hrs
2014-06-26 11:52:29 connection timeout
2014-06-26 11:52:30 trying connection 2.95.230.16:33666 lastseen=1976.5hrs
2014-06-26 11:52:35 connection timeout
2014-06-26 11:52:36 trying connection 59.19.119.15:33666 lastseen=467.2hrs

  i have my r9-280x pointed somewhere else atm, but it's about 12 hrs since it's found a block, so should hit soon, when it does, if the wallet is working, i'll hook up with FUNK @ the p2pool for a few days  Wink
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Guys. It seems the blockchain is stuck.

There was a 20min block gap that pushed the diff way down, and it seemed like introduced a flaw in the KGW. It possibly wrapped around, causing it to spike to a diff of 1 for some reason. Seems to be still stuck at a diff 0.1 (which is too high for the current hashrate).

If someone could throw some hashes at it to see if it breaks loose, it would be appreciated. Here are 2 pools. http://p2pools.org/funk

Unless we figure out what to do, or get some more miners, the chain won't be sustainable. Shitty day for FUNK. What can we do??
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Soundposition keeps delivering: https://soundcloud.com/soundposition/the-cypherfunks-electric-indigo

Hashrate keeps dropping. Very low now. Aargh. I'm not finding time to work on the safe merge mining.
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Wow. Tune. https://soundcloud.com/soundposition/the-cypherfunks-summer-scintillation-part-11

Michael. You are making the most amazing music lately. Almost got a tear in my eye.
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Was there something else? Oh yeah. We plan to do this more often. Every 2 - 3 weeks. Smiley

Next time I'll be willing to do the dreaded Google chat, just to avoid the tinychat issues which made communication difficult.

I realise now that there was indeed something shit with my internet. A quick reset fixed it. Sorry about that. We can try either and see what works. Smiley

Listened to more of cernfusion's contributions. This is epic: https://soundcloud.com/cern-schmelce/yellow-moon
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