Topic: The difference between science and religion - page 14. (Read 6490 times)

So your god created flesh eating bacteria because someone asked for it, but ignores the millions of people who ask to be cured?

Your god is a lunatic.

God is so loving that He does what people request. People requested that God convert an aspect of nature into flesh eating bacteria. So, He did it for them.

God didn't create flesh eating bacteria. He converted something else into flesh eating bacteria as people asked.

God is 100% almighty.

So he is also deaf.  I have asked you to ask him to post on this forum with no avail.

How about all you religious freaks ask him to eliminate the flesh eating bacteria?

He will not answer because he does not exist. lol.

Science and religion are two different things that can be used to prove each other. The universe being so wide is so hard to understand. All of what we have known might change in an instant. We will never know what is next until we experienced it. Religion may seem to be a bit straightforward without much to consider about it factually.  While science may just be used to study about religion.

Humm in a single post you managed to:

1) Demand others personally ask God to manifest before you.
2) Insist God eliminate a living species from the planet at your request.
3) Proclaim that God not does not exist.
4) Call believers of God freaks.
5) Break into laughter presumably at your own wit.

I don't see much point in further discussion. You clearly have made up your mind and show no interest in reflection or exploring the topic in a non superficial manner.

I will bow out of this thread and leave it to those with an interest in this flavor of discourse.

So he is responsible for inflicting pain and suffering?  Is he mental?

Mothers consciously go to the birth of a child with HIV, knowingly condemning him to such a life.

It's the fault of mothers!

Science and religion are two very important aspects of every human’s life. Science and religion are subjects which can be discussed extensively and still would be unfinished in the end. However, we can try to understand their differences in a very general and simplified way.

Religion:
Religion, by many people, is considered as an absolute faith, an absolute knowledge about the universe, nature, humans, and their belief in their own gods. This is a very limiting expression of what religion is. Religion is actually a collection of beliefs and systems. It includes different belief systems, cultural systems, and worldviews.
Religion developed in separate parts of the world as different beliefs, different morals, different ethics, and different lifestyles evolved. People surrendered themselves to their gods; they used religion to explain the meaning of life, the origin of life, and basic human nature and laws binding them together through religion. There are many religions in the world. It has been observed that some religions emphasize more on faith while others on what they practice. Some emphasize on spirituality and personal experiences while others emphasize on rituals observed by a particular community.

Science:
Science is a study which collects, organizes, and proves or disproves the knowledge that has been collected through analysis. It studies about nature, its evolution, its forces, and different phenomenon taking place in nature with respect to each other.
For a very long time, “Science” and “Philosophy” were considered interchangeable. But after the 17th century, “philosophy” and “natural philosophy” or “natural science,” as it is called today, started being considered as different concepts. Science is, in modern times, considered “physical science” and “natural science,” or a study of chemistry, physics, biology, and geology. Natural science deals with studying the natural phenomena.

Remember the gist of what I said. God does what we ask Him, even though He does it His own way. That is why we have bad things and problem things. We asked for the wrong things.

What are you asking for when you reject Jesus-salvation - since Jesus-salvation is the only salvation that exists. When you reject, you are asking for destruction in the dissolution of this corrupt universe. So, when God gives you what you ask for, He is just being a Nice Guy and giving you something you couldn't get for yourself if you didn't ask for it.

Did your God create the flesh eating bacteria?  Yes or No please.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necrotizing_fasciitis

God does everything. He does it at the request of people. He does it according to the results He wants to set in place.

The point is this. Originally there was no destruction. The devil and the first people brought destruction into play. God didn't really want any destruction, but His love pushed Him to obey their requests. However, God knows how to manipulate destruction far better than anyone else. The thing He is doing is destroying destruction.

All people die. They are essentially destroyed out of this life. When the destruction of people is done, God will destroy this universe, and resurrect His believers into a new universe that doesn't have destruction.

The unbelievers will be resurrected to be destroyed with this universe, which will take forever. If you don't turn and believe, you will have caused your own destruction.

I don't understand why we even question this, or better said why would anyone try to put science and religion in one pot; they just don't go together.
Religion is for the stupid, there is no such thing, it's all in your heads. However, science is real and provable; it cures people.

Simply because you don't want to accept the greatness God is giving you in the universe, you would turn the idea of God into lunacy.

God made perfection. He placed His power into perfection. Mankind used the power of God to turn the perfection into evil. Such ability of mankind was the greatness which God gave them. The inertia of the power of God is what mankind used to bring evil.

God turned it around. God made a choice for people. Believe in Jesus and be saved into a new universe in the resurrection. Freedom to use God's power is still here for people. They can still freely aim for destruction, like you are doing. But, now, we also have freedom to accept Jesus-salvation.

How long does anybody live? How long does that painfully sick person live? The strongest of us - those who live in their pains and weaknesses longer than 100 years - still die. Life is short compared with eternity that will follow in the resurrection.

Your choice is to accept Jesus-salvation, and live in eternal joy in the new heavens and the new earth God is creating, or to be burned forever in the destruction of this one. Turn to accept Jesus salvation while you still have a chance.

But God did it the way He did because of the enjoyment to be found in doing things, with a wide variety of things available to do. God made some living things to be eaten, and to be filled with joy and ecstasy when they are eaten... and joy for the eaters, as well.

Consider. A plant is a much lower life form than a human. A plant will never become anywhere as great or as capable as a human. But the plant will become great like a human if a human eats the plant.



Consider Matthew 13:30:Read the whole chapter to get the setting of the parable this passage is taken from - https://biblehub.com/niv/matthew/13.htm.

The point is "then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn." What happens to wheat that is gathered into a barn? People grind it into flower, bake bread, and eat it. Those of us who are saved are going to be absorbed into God... into greatness that we can barely understand anything about at all... even though the pain of grinding in this life isn't always fun. Those who are weeds will be collected, tied and burned.

Take your pick. You still have time to become one with God. Change your way, and believe in Jesus-salvation.

So because Adam ate a fruit, God created an insect that burrows in to the eyes of millions of children and makes them go blind.

Your God is a lunatic.

But you of all people know that God created things perfect, and that it was mankind voluntarily and knowingly eating the fruit in the Garden that started the chain of destruction among people.

And here you are, knowing that God exists, and that God has provided salvation in Jesus, but making the destruction worse by not acknowledging Him, and by trying to talk others into not accepting Him.

So you prove that your atheism is simply a religion, and that science that believes unknown things (science theories) as truth, has turned science into a religion.

If he created everything, as you claim, he is ultimately responsible.  Flesh eating bacteria, HIV in babies etc.

He is a psychopathic criminal to "create" such a world.

Actually, that is another indication that the world was not created by any intelligent being. 

No intelligent being would create the world the way your God "created" it.

No mental gymnastics can help you here.  Face it.

You completely dodged the point. It would also have been equally trivial for an omnipotent god to create a human that did not require to eat any living thing for sustenance.

Are you equally torn up about the millions of animals killed in terror every day to feed humanity or the plants ripped from the ground and consumed to feed those animals?

The natural world is full of evil and good. The fundamental difference between humans and those animals is that we alone have knowledge of good and evil.

With this knowledge comes the power to transform it. To rectify and redeem the evil in ourselves and in so doing become something more then a hyper intelligent animal.

The world is not a permanent playpen for our coddling and amusement. It is a reality that calls to us and demands we grow into something better then what we are.