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December 04, 2014, 07:08:12 PM
#25
It's still an arms race, but the slowdown in hash rate expansion was predictable (I did predict it :-)) once everyone was running close to state-of-the-art hardware with low supplier margins and energy costs had been reduced as far as possible. Things can still move with a technology shift (such as when 16nm ASICs or more power efficient 28nm/20nm devices come online) or if the BTC price increases though. The hash rate will ultimately absorb every optimisation possible!
The issue with the arms race metaphor is this is a profit and loss business.

Everybody experiences equipment dropout over time due to breakage. There is a difficulty level at which it is no longer economic to replace the equipment that wears out. Especially after the next halving. After the halving, I would expect a slow decrease in difficulty to a new normal.

There is now huge uncertainty in future difficulty increases.

The big players are facing huge uncertainty in their investment decisions.

I suspect what will happen is, if difficulty stays flat for a few increases, there will be another round of investment putting us back on the upward trajectory. If it even starts increasing at 5%, the investment decisions get much harder at this BTC price.
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December 04, 2014, 10:46:00 AM
#24
It might be a tiny reduction, but I think that the start of a new era is now becoming more obvius. We kept seing mining becoming more centralised, mining at home kept becoming harder while the difficulty was constanly rising and the price was around 350. I believe that this reduction was caused by home miner being pulled off the wall because of not being profitable anymore.

It's possible that there was a genuine reduction in capacity, but with this small a difficulty change it's also pretty likely that it's just a result of statistical variances and we have no real way of knowing whether the network is expanding or contracting. In a network where there's no actual change in capacity, variances of +/-5% are pretty likely: http://hashingit.com/analysis/28-reach-for-the-ear-defenders


Indeed it is, but mining used to be an arms race. The total network hashrate was constantly increasing for more than a year until this point.

It's still an arms race, but the slowdown in hash rate expansion was predictable (I did predict it :-)) once everyone was running close to state-of-the-art hardware with low supplier margins and energy costs had been reduced as far as possible. Things can still move with a technology shift (such as when 16nm ASICs or more power efficient 28nm/20nm devices come online) or if the BTC price increases though. The hash rate will ultimately absorb every optimisation possible!

Respect to the price, everybody is calling the bottom both for BTC and LTC, so mine, hold and wait for the train to leave the station  Grin

Haha. No. Mining will ne cheaper by factor 5x so the bitcoinprice will fell, before the hashrate unfold 5x. I would not either hold until 2017 halving. Not 100%. Maybe speculate with 5%

Theres still just 21m coins dude noone is talking short term here
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December 04, 2014, 09:28:18 AM
#23
It might be a tiny reduction, but I think that the start of a new era is now becoming more obvius. We kept seing mining becoming more centralised, mining at home kept becoming harder while the difficulty was constanly rising and the price was around 350. I believe that this reduction was caused by home miner being pulled off the wall because of not being profitable anymore.

It's possible that there was a genuine reduction in capacity, but with this small a difficulty change it's also pretty likely that it's just a result of statistical variances and we have no real way of knowing whether the network is expanding or contracting. In a network where there's no actual change in capacity, variances of +/-5% are pretty likely: http://hashingit.com/analysis/28-reach-for-the-ear-defenders


Indeed it is, but mining used to be an arms race. The total network hashrate was constantly increasing for more than a year until this point.

It's still an arms race, but the slowdown in hash rate expansion was predictable (I did predict it :-)) once everyone was running close to state-of-the-art hardware with low supplier margins and energy costs had been reduced as far as possible. Things can still move with a technology shift (such as when 16nm ASICs or more power efficient 28nm/20nm devices come online) or if the BTC price increases though. The hash rate will ultimately absorb every optimisation possible!

Respect to the price, everybody is calling the bottom both for BTC and LTC, so mine, hold and wait for the train to leave the station  Grin

Haha. No. Mining will ne cheaper by factor 5x so the bitcoinprice will fell, before the hashrate unfold 5x. I would not either hold until 2017 halving. Not 100%. Maybe speculate with 5%
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December 04, 2014, 04:34:26 AM
#22
It might be a tiny reduction, but I think that the start of a new era is now becoming more obvius. We kept seing mining becoming more centralised, mining at home kept becoming harder while the difficulty was constanly rising and the price was around 350. I believe that this reduction was caused by home miner being pulled off the wall because of not being profitable anymore.

It's possible that there was a genuine reduction in capacity, but with this small a difficulty change it's also pretty likely that it's just a result of statistical variances and we have no real way of knowing whether the network is expanding or contracting. In a network where there's no actual change in capacity, variances of +/-5% are pretty likely: http://hashingit.com/analysis/28-reach-for-the-ear-defenders


Indeed it is, but mining used to be an arms race. The total network hashrate was constantly increasing for more than a year until this point.

It's still an arms race, but the slowdown in hash rate expansion was predictable (I did predict it :-)) once everyone was running close to state-of-the-art hardware with low supplier margins and energy costs had been reduced as far as possible. Things can still move with a technology shift (such as when 16nm ASICs or more power efficient 28nm/20nm devices come online) or if the BTC price increases though. The hash rate will ultimately absorb every optimisation possible!

Respect to the price, everybody is calling the bottom both for BTC and LTC, so mine, hold and wait for the train to leave the station  Grin
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December 03, 2014, 07:44:53 PM
#21
It might be a tiny reduction, but I think that the start of a new era is now becoming more obvius. We kept seing mining becoming more centralised, mining at home kept becoming harder while the difficulty was constanly rising and the price was around 350. I believe that this reduction was caused by home miner being pulled off the wall because of not being profitable anymore.

It's possible that there was a genuine reduction in capacity, but with this small a difficulty change it's also pretty likely that it's just a result of statistical variances and we have no real way of knowing whether the network is expanding or contracting. In a network where there's no actual change in capacity, variances of +/-5% are pretty likely: http://hashingit.com/analysis/28-reach-for-the-ear-defenders


Indeed it is, but mining used to be an arms race. The total network hashrate was constantly increasing for more than a year until this point.

It's still an arms race, but the slowdown in hash rate expansion was predictable (I did predict it :-)) once everyone was running close to state-of-the-art hardware with low supplier margins and energy costs had been reduced as far as possible. Things can still move with a technology shift (such as when 16nm ASICs or more power efficient 28nm/20nm devices come online) or if the BTC price increases though. The hash rate will ultimately absorb every optimisation possible!
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December 03, 2014, 06:54:15 PM
#20
Basically nil difference, you'll just get the same rewards this difficulty as the last.  Hooray?
-.7 % is awesome compared to +10% we've been seeing almost every week for months.  I am happy to make as much as last two weeks - especially if that goes on forever.  I am just glad the biweekly reduction of my system has been avoided this cycle!  Fucking Hooray!!!
This.

It just bought me an additional two weeks that I didn't initially calculate in my maths.  I recognize that it's not likely permanent, but I appreciate the slight respite either way.
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December 03, 2014, 01:44:05 PM
#19
It might be a tiny reduction, but I think that the start of a new era is now becoming more obvius. We kept seing mining becoming more centralised, mining at home kept becoming harder while the difficulty was constanly rising and the price was around 350. I believe that this reduction was caused by home miner being pulled off the wall because of not being profitable anymore.

It's possible that there was a genuine reduction in capacity, but with this small a difficulty change it's also pretty likely that it's just a result of statistical variances and we have no real way of knowing whether the network is expanding or contracting. In a network where there's no actual change in capacity, variances of +/-5% are pretty likely: http://hashingit.com/analysis/28-reach-for-the-ear-defenders


Indeed it is, but mining used to be an arms race. The total network hashrate was constantly increasing for more than a year until this point.

I think it will go back around christmas time. then most of us forget that it decreased. its not much compare to the increasing within the last two months

Its already christmas time! lets see, even for LTC the diff has gone down, always good news  Grin
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December 03, 2014, 01:21:48 PM
#18
It might be a tiny reduction, but I think that the start of a new era is now becoming more obvius. We kept seing mining becoming more centralised, mining at home kept becoming harder while the difficulty was constanly rising and the price was around 350. I believe that this reduction was caused by home miner being pulled off the wall because of not being profitable anymore.

It's possible that there was a genuine reduction in capacity, but with this small a difficulty change it's also pretty likely that it's just a result of statistical variances and we have no real way of knowing whether the network is expanding or contracting. In a network where there's no actual change in capacity, variances of +/-5% are pretty likely: http://hashingit.com/analysis/28-reach-for-the-ear-defenders


Indeed it is, but mining used to be an arms race. The total network hashrate was constantly increasing for more than a year until this point.

I think it will go back around christmas time. then most of us forget that it decreased. its not much compare to the increasing within the last two months
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December 03, 2014, 01:18:54 PM
#17
It might be a tiny reduction, but I think that the start of a new era is now becoming more obvius. We kept seing mining becoming more centralised, mining at home kept becoming harder while the difficulty was constanly rising and the price was around 350. I believe that this reduction was caused by home miner being pulled off the wall because of not being profitable anymore.

It's possible that there was a genuine reduction in capacity, but with this small a difficulty change it's also pretty likely that it's just a result of statistical variances and we have no real way of knowing whether the network is expanding or contracting. In a network where there's no actual change in capacity, variances of +/-5% are pretty likely: http://hashingit.com/analysis/28-reach-for-the-ear-defenders


Indeed it is, but mining used to be an arms race. The total network hashrate was constantly increasing for more than a year until this point.
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December 03, 2014, 02:35:59 AM
#16
It might be a tiny reduction, but I think that the start of a new era is now becoming more obvius. We kept seing mining becoming more centralised, mining at home kept becoming harder while the difficulty was constanly rising and the price was around 350. I believe that this reduction was caused by home miner being pulled off the wall because of not being profitable anymore.

It's possible that there was a genuine reduction in capacity, but with this small a difficulty change it's also pretty likely that it's just a result of statistical variances and we have no real way of knowing whether the network is expanding or contracting. In a network where there's no actual change in capacity, variances of +/-5% are pretty likely: http://hashingit.com/analysis/28-reach-for-the-ear-defenders
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December 03, 2014, 12:21:43 AM
#15
Miners seem to be unhappy with the price of bitcoin these days.
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December 02, 2014, 09:25:35 PM
#14
Not by much.  From Bitcoinwisdom:

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Bitcoin Difficulty:   40,300,030,328
Estimated Next Difficulty:   40,010,998,361 (-0.72%)
More like moving sideways, maintaining this level. But you allready know that big farms are reducing hashrate before each next step.
Maybe this time they have just overdone that. Watch next days to see networks real peak capacity.

No, we are not past "Peak Hashrate"
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December 02, 2014, 08:18:28 PM
#13
It might be a tiny reduction, but I think that the start of a new era is now becoming more obvius. We kept seing mining becoming more centralised, mining at home kept becoming harder while the difficulty was constanly rising and the price was around 350. I believe that this reduction was caused by home miner being pulled off the wall because of not being profitable anymore.

I doubt it, for the most of the world, the weather is getting colder, pulling the plug on a free space heater doesn't seem to be a wise decision.
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December 02, 2014, 08:14:37 PM
#12
Woohoooo a reduction!
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December 02, 2014, 08:09:24 PM
#11
Wow, that's awesome! This must be the first time in years the difficulty has gone done.  Smiley
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December 02, 2014, 07:41:55 PM
#10
Basically nil difference, you'll just get the same rewards this difficulty as the last.  Hooray?
-.7 % is awesome compared to +10% we've been seeing almost every week for months.  I am happy to make as much as last two weeks - especially if that goes on forever.  I am just glad the biweekly reduction of my system has been avoided this cycle!  Fucking Hooray!!!
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December 02, 2014, 07:00:46 PM
#9
It might be a tiny reduction, but I think that the start of a new era is now becoming more obvius. We kept seing mining becoming more centralised, mining at home kept becoming harder while the difficulty was constanly rising and the price was around 350. I believe that this reduction was caused by home miner being pulled off the wall because of not being profitable anymore.
This is probably the only reason, and a rise in price, might cause a lot of those miners to reduce.
Mining is least profitable in these days.
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December 02, 2014, 06:50:35 PM
#8
It might be a tiny reduction, but I think that the start of a new era is now becoming more obvius. We kept seing mining becoming more centralised, mining at home kept becoming harder while the difficulty was constanly rising and the price was around 350. I believe that this reduction was caused by home miner being pulled off the wall because of not being profitable anymore.
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December 02, 2014, 06:48:57 PM
#6
Last time was almost 2 years ago!

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