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Quote from: madnessteat on August 23, 2022, 04:41:14 AM

Quote from: Hispo on August 22, 2022, 02:28:06 PM

From the government point of view this sounds like a good idea, as some of you have alreadysuggested this does not only restrict access to glambing to children but also it is a measure against tax evasion and money laundry.

However, when comes to preventing children from gambling this ID will not be an ultimate solution, people tend to underestimate kids and teen's intellegence when comes to avoid filters and rules. Will this ID prevent teens from using a VPN and signing up on KYC-free gambling websites? I doubt it.

Not mentioning the fact this could be also an attack against one's privacy.

That's what I think, too. Today's generation of teenagers understand a lot of things better than those who make these laws. Whoever wants to gamble will find a way to do so without using a digital ID. That goes for adults as well as children. That's why I think the introduction of digital ID in gambling is primarily a violation of the privacy of gamblers.

I agree into this one, this do really mainly violates about privacy and if ever government do really impose such rule or imply or integrate such changes then there's nothing we can do since those platforms are centralized then they would really be applying those things if they do still want for their business to continue to run which users wont really be having no choice if those changes would be made
but we know that there are lots of various ways which we could still able to play without having these things to be complied.It is true that we do always prefer on being anonymous on everything
that we are engaging into and having that digital ID would really be a big NO-NO for everyone.

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Quote from: AmoreJaz on August 22, 2022, 03:02:30 PM

Quote from: Hispo on August 22, 2022, 02:28:06 PM

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...but if you will launder money, i don't think you will submit your identity, right?

They would not if they could avoid it and mafias are powerful enough to get forged documents and even bribe authorities this must be a measure to control the common citizen and monitor their finances.
I wonder whether credit providers and banks in Denmark will have access to a list of gamblers thanks to this new ID, if so they may reduce people's credit store just because having such ID.

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Quote from: Hispo on August 22, 2022, 02:28:06 PM

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Exactly, this is not a solution considering how huge scams to be perpetuating anywhere like manifestation of documents. This can be easily access with just people who are willing to get paid for such kind of activity. The solution is starts in the home, parents should monitor their child/ren, if there's something weird going on they should be the one to know that.

It is just my personal opinion, but I would say that good pareting is harder to find nowadays, sadly we have a many parents that allow their children to by raised by social media, like Tik Tok and Youtube, most of the results we have already seen them on the news.

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Quote from: Hispo on August 22, 2022, 02:28:06 PM

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That's what I think, too. Today's generation of teenagers understand a lot of things better than those who make these laws. Whoever wants to gamble will find a way to do so without using a digital ID. That goes for adults as well as children. That's why I think the introduction of digital ID in gambling is primarily a violation of the privacy of gamblers.

I would dare to say some lawmakers are so out of touch that they believe that only by making laws, these can be magically enforced. Teens are legally forbidden to buy tobacco and alcohol and they find a way to get it anyways, getting these products is a process which must be done in the real world face-to-face black marketing.

Now imagine how they are supposed to enforce this if people can access gambling from their homes and shielded behind a computer screen.

As I said before, I wonder whether banks and creditors will have access to a list of citizens which hold such ID.

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Quote from: Hispo on August 22, 2022, 02:28:06 PM

From the government point of view this sounds like a good idea, as some of you have alreadysuggested this does not only restrict access to glambing to children but also it is a measure against tax evasion and money laundry.

However, when comes to preventing children from gambling this ID will not be an ultimate solution, people tend to underestimate kids and teen's intellegence when comes to avoid filters and rules. Will this ID prevent teens from using a VPN and signing up on KYC-free gambling websites? I doubt it.

Not mentioning the fact this could be also an attack against one's privacy.

That's what I think, too. Today's generation of teenagers understand a lot of things better than those who make these laws. Whoever wants to gamble will find a way to do so without using a digital ID. That goes for adults as well as children. That's why I think the introduction of digital ID in gambling is primarily a violation of the privacy of gamblers.

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I absolutely agree with you. Many kids are so creative that they can easily register an account with their parents, use a VPN or play on gambling sites that do not require proof of identity.

Nowadays it is very difficult to limit children from gambling, so digital ID is a useless thing in terms of protection, but as a collection of information when used by adults this tool is quite suitable.

VPN is only use for registration in a country or to a country you know that does not have access to register ordinarily. Because i believe that cryptocurrency is the master key of everything and many people will like to register with the help of VPN. When we talk about the registration. concerning preventing children from gambling. Is not difficult to do because children like to associate with what's available in their own side

Children today are very creative, and parents will find it difficult to supervise their children, although I refuse and don't like KYC but to minimize underage registration I think facial recognition is something that must be developed, in some countries it is more effective, despite many rejections from parties who don't want their faces exposed.

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Quote from: dothebeats on May 31, 2022, 10:36:04 AM

Ultimately this is just another way of the governments to make sure that they will receive the taxes that these gamblers will incur with their gambling habits. I see privacy being a concern too, especially from people who like to keep their identity secret during their time as a gambler. It is a double-edged sword, one to quell underage gambling and the other to remove the privacy that a lot of people enjoy. Idk how it would pan out, but if it works in Denmark doesn't mean that it will work in other countries, that's for certain.

It's a bit of a negative way to look at it and is not even true in all cases, there are certain countries out there which do not tax gambling winnings paid out to players. They will tax the gambling companies heavily in corporation tax but besides that do not take a share - look at the United Kingdom for an example of this. It's a tricky scenario and this sort of thing would have gotten a lot more push back in the past, but the trend is heavily moving online, as long as it has good enough security and privacy considerations then it seems fair as an optional service. It could even cut out a lot of unnecessary costs of manufacturing physical cards, as long as the digital version could be properly validated.

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Quote from: Hispo on August 22, 2022, 02:28:06 PM

From the government point of view this sounds like a good idea, as some of you have alreadysuggested this does not only restrict access to glambing to children but also it is a measure against tax evasion and money laundry.

However, when comes to preventing children from gambling this ID will not be an ultimate solution, people tend to underestimate kids and teen's intellegence when comes to avoid filters and rules. Will this ID prevent teens from using a VPN and signing up on KYC-free gambling websites? I doubt it.

Not mentioning the fact this could be also an attack against one's privacy.

Exactly, this is not a solution considering how huge scams to be perpetuating anywhere like manifestation of documents. This can be easily access with just people who are willing to get paid for such kind of activity. The solution is starts in the home, parents should monitor their child/ren, if there's something weird going on they should be the one to know that.

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Quote from: Hispo on August 22, 2022, 02:28:06 PM

From the government point of view this sounds like a good idea, as some of you have alreadysuggested this does not only restrict access to glambing to children but also it is a measure against tax evasion and money laundry.

However, when comes to preventing children from gambling this ID will not be an ultimate solution, people tend to underestimate kids and teen's intellegence when comes to avoid filters and rules. Will this ID prevent teens from using a VPN and signing up on KYC-free gambling websites? I doubt it.

Not mentioning the fact this could be also an attack against one's privacy.

bottomline, it depends on the user where he will sign up to play. nowadays, there are many casinos especially crypto casinos that are not requiring kyc from their customers. so they have the option not to go to online casino which requires their identity. however, the move of their government is also beneficial to them, as they will have data for tax purposes or possible money laundering activities.but if you will launder money, i don't think you will submit your identity, right?

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From the government point of view this sounds like a good idea, as some of you have alreadysuggested this does not only restrict access to glambing to children but also it is a measure against tax evasion and money laundry.

However, when comes to preventing children from gambling this ID will not be an ultimate solution, people tend to underestimate kids and teen's intellegence when comes to avoid filters and rules. Will this ID prevent teens from using a VPN and signing up on KYC-free gambling websites? I doubt it.

Not mentioning the fact this could be also an attack against one's privacy.

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Quote from: fiulpro on May 31, 2022, 10:33:05 AM

People are still waiting for an update but I would like to know what you think about the system of online ID?

i agree that gambling uses ID to get rid of children from gambling and save their lives.
however, the problem is that if you create a gambling ID, you end up having to risk your identity card even though gamblers out there play online gambling because they want to eliminate the trail so that no one knows that they like to gamble. if you create a gambling ID and have to risk KYC there will probably be a lot of gamblers who don't agree

KYC is an option and for those who don't like KYC, there are currently many crypto gambling sites that offer users no KYC

but for me personally who is not that problem with KYC, a digital ID will help save minors from gambling, so that their learning period is not disturbed by gambling which can harm their mindset

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Quote from: fiulpro on May 31, 2022, 10:33:05 AM

People are still waiting for an update but I would like to know what you think about the system of online ID?

i agree that gambling uses ID to get rid of children from gambling and save their lives.
however, the problem is that if you create a gambling ID, you end up having to risk your identity card even though gamblers out there play online gambling because they want to eliminate the trail so that no one knows that they like to gamble. if you create a gambling ID and have to risk KYC there will probably be a lot of gamblers who don't agree

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Quote from: Pierre 2 on July 27, 2022, 03:19:37 AM

I see that most forum members are worried about privacy issues behind this decision. Although in many countries you need to add your many detailed information to online gambling websites to start gambling. It is government forced situation to companies and people are used to it. I am not very sure with USA or Canada or UK but this was like a norm. I think its something understandable, and not very bad thing.

- Maybe, we can't blame others for being worried because they think maybe their private information might be sold to others who can make money from it. But for me, if a gambling site submits something like this, it is also for the security of a gambler who plays on a gambling platform, and you are right, there is nothing wrong with asking them. And this is normal for a regulated online gambling platform to do.

- I just hope that others don't make it an issue that is too malicious with these trends of gambling in this industry if it is also for the safety of the assets that they have in gambling.

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Quote from: famososMuertos on July 31, 2022, 10:07:43 AM

There are still pages for poker players that can track your playing habits and winnings just by knowing your nickname, this is somewhat prohibited in certain casinos.

Gambling ID? It is something that seeks to make it normal and legal, if you think that your gambling habits and earnings are not tracked in certain countries, you are wrong.

The protection of minors is the excuse to make Legal something that they already do, although Denmark is a country that has a history of digitizing any activity and has a good excuse like that, in some cases they may not know who it is the individual but the nickname and avatar have their ID.

I understand your concerns, being tracked online and having other people accessing our gambling habits is scary. We don't know how secure that data is being stored. Is our data only used for tax purposes, or can others evaluate that data and get an advantage over us. It's not only about being afraid of scammers and other criminals gaining access to our personal data. If our gambling habits will be public and others can access it based on our nickname it becomes dangerous for us. Like that could Poker players get a lot of information about their opponents and use it to get an edge. I am for protecting minors from gambling, and maybe a gambling ID helps to shed a more positive light on the gambling industry. But the safety of our personal information needs to be guaranteed.

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Quote from: fiulpro on May 31, 2022, 10:33:05 AM

Apparently Denmark is all Set to Launch the new Digital ID rules for Gambling in the upcoming July.

I try to understand the goals and advantages, Denmark requires gambling bettors to do NemID to MitID, and I understand the essence of Denmark in the requirements regarding ID.

NemID to MitID explanation:
From NemID to MitID: All You Need to Know.

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NemID is still a reliable solution. However, after more than ten years since its creation, new challenges have emerged. To ensure that the national digital identity infrastructure can meet future needs, a major update of the ID solution was necessary. Therefore, the migration to MitID was planned as part of the Digital Strategy 2016-2020 to equip citizens, businesses, and public sector employees with a more secure digital ID solution.

In the quote above, I can conclude that the ID rule, From NemID to MitID, does not seem to apply only to gambling websites, almost all sectors, businesses, private sector and government must carry out digital data collection, This has been planned in advance for the safety of the Danish authorities, the conclusion of the ID being discussed is that it is specifically for the Danish country, like it or not, you have to do digital data collection, this is a different story from other countries, I think it only applies to the Danish community only ID in gambling.

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In some way, governments want to take over a part of gambling, bitcoin and cryptocurrencies, they do not want to lose control, in order not to lose it, they have certain licenses in their possession, certain treaties that make KYC exist, of course in an intelligent way They get in saying that for the protection of the player and so that they are not scammed, but we all know that the true intention is to know which people handle crypto and how much, if KYC did not exist, it would be more difficult for them, it is because of them that even if casinos implemented Monero transactions it would be a bit more tedious for governments to find out.

It's more like they are getting 2 benefits at the same time by implementing KYC details.
They can track their customers holdings as well as restrict people from entering into certain crypto platforms.
No doubt they hate monero since it disrupts all their plans.

Yes, and that is something that I have always wondered, because what would happen if a casino offers transactions with Monero? obviously it would be the target of all the organizations, I think they could suffer from certain accusations, such as money laundering, illicit money, money for drugs, among others, I think these could be the accusations that they could make against the casinos, although it could bring many customers without a doubt if they offer total discretion and total privacy, it would be one of the most sought after casinos by players, even some whales could go and stay there because I'm sure that will be the trend once adoption is achieved crypto.

There were casinos that intentionally mentioned the use of privacy coins at their launch, and even that didn't secure them the player base that you are mentioning because people are focused more on established casinos that already has a name on the industry. People are fine using the traditional cryptocurrencies as is even without the added layer of protection, so long as there are no KYC involved in the platform itself. Ever wonder why there are no successful privacy-centric casinos that mainly focuses on privacy coins? Because they tend to forget that gamblers go to the platform to play and not to be "extra safe" that they neglect improving what they offer and focused on security and privacy instead.

Yes, of course, but you don't have to be a fortune teller that in the very near future cryptocurrencies, and especially BTC, will be the currency that everyone will use, and obviously they will put more magnifying glass on casinos, and if they are online with more reason , so I think that people will look for privacy and anonymity at all costs, for everyone it will be as a necessity not to be tracked by their own governments, governments will see crypto as money laundering, illicit acts and all those things that are usually invent to manipulate, then those casinos that offer more privacy will be the top at the moment, I would like to see one day stake.com, bitcasino.io, among others that are the best, that integrate ZCASH, Monero, and possible tokens that are of privacy, I am sure they will continue to be number 1.

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Quote from: famososMuertos on July 31, 2022, 10:07:43 AM

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I don't agree with you. As long as we have the ability to use a VPN, play on gaming sites that do not require KYC and that accept deposit in cryptocurrencies we can stay away from the eyes of observers and the government. So currently we have all the tools we need to remain anonymous.

As for digital ID, I totally agree with you.

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There are still pages for poker players that can track your playing habits and winnings just by knowing your nickname, this is somewhat prohibited in certain casinos.

Gambling ID? It is something that seeks to make it normal and legal, if you think that your gambling habits and earnings are not tracked in certain countries, you are wrong.

The protection of minors is the excuse to make Legal something that they already do, although Denmark is a country that has a history of digitizing any activity and has a good excuse like that, in some cases they may not know who it is the individual but the nickname and avatar have their ID.

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Quote from: adzino on July 27, 2022, 04:33:42 PM

How is it going to stop "kids" from gambling? If the kids were able to gamble before in casinos that needed to pass identity verification, then how is this going to be any different? The kids will still somehow find a way to gamble with or without that "digital gambling ID". This won't stop anything. Just another excuse by the government to make sure they can keep a better eye on their citizens and they pay their due taxes properly. Nothing to do with kids and gambling.

With digital gambling IDs that limit a certain age to enter gambling places, I think it can suppress children from entering gambling places, but when they manipulate their age, nothing can stop them, even though the government's efforts are very high to ban gambling. will not work because there are still many ways to access gambling places.

If this kind of thing happens there's a verification purpose happens every time an account makes an activity which is like a sending of information to make a verification, if the casino just have the OTP it is easier to the kids to get the email and login and get the code but if the user has another verification like the question that the owner of the account only know what is the answer there's a chance that they can prevent those kids to play most of the digital devices today have their own kid protection and it is good to use this kind of feature.

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Quote from: adzino on July 27, 2022, 04:33:42 PM

How is it going to stop "kids" from gambling? If the kids were able to gamble before in casinos that needed to pass identity verification, then how is this going to be any different? The kids will still somehow find a way to gamble with or without that "digital gambling ID". This won't stop anything. Just another excuse by the government to make sure they can keep a better eye on their citizens and they pay their due taxes properly. Nothing to do with kids and gambling.

I absolutely agree with you. Many kids are so creative that they can easily register an account with their parents, use a VPN or play on gambling sites that do not require proof of identity.

Nowadays it is very difficult to limit children from gambling, so digital ID is a useless thing in terms of protection, but as a collection of information when used by adults this tool is quite suitable.

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The government's curiosity to find out how much wealth its citizens have is getting higher and as technology is developed, they can easily investigate someone's account.
Only by using SIM data, passports, or other identities, they can connect to all the resources they have so they can get complete data about a person.
This is why in many countries, citizens are required to pay taxes based on the source of their income and the results of their wealth.
And maybe this is why the cryptocurrency is the choice for people who have a lot of money so that the government can't track how much their real wealth is if they have cryptocurrency in their separate wallets.

The problem is not at all in taxes (which are actually necessary and useful if they are of an adequate size) but in total control. If earlier you had some kind of right by default, now you have to prove everywhere that you have it. For example, in Russia, a FanID system was introduced for football fans. It is obvious that there is no connection with taxes, but only with total control. Gambling ID has the same meaning even if it is introduced under the pretext of restricting gambling for children or under the pretext of combating money laundering.

That's the problem even though as free citizens, we can hide what doesn't need to be disclosed to the government because it is our right.
But back to the rules, they made that make us unable to do anything because we live under their rule.
The pretext for limiting gambling to children and fighting money laundering is good.
Still, it does seem like the government wants to know everything about its citizens, including the wealth of every citizen.
But if the digital ID is really applied to limit gambling for children and fight money laundering, it shouldn't go to the extent of investigating the property of someone who gambles.

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In some way, governments want to take over a part of gambling, bitcoin and cryptocurrencies, they do not want to lose control, in order not to lose it, they have certain licenses in their possession, certain treaties that make KYC exist, of course in an intelligent way They get in saying that for the protection of the player and so that they are not scammed, but we all know that the true intention is to know which people handle crypto and how much, if KYC did not exist, it would be more difficult for them, it is because of them that even if casinos implemented Monero transactions it would be a bit more tedious for governments to find out.

It's more like they are getting 2 benefits at the same time by implementing KYC details.
They can track their customers holdings as well as restrict people from entering into certain crypto platforms.
No doubt they hate monero since it disrupts all their plans.

Yes, and that is something that I have always wondered, because what would happen if a casino offers transactions with Monero? obviously it would be the target of all the organizations, I think they could suffer from certain accusations, such as money laundering, illicit money, money for drugs, among others, I think these could be the accusations that they could make against the casinos, although it could bring many customers without a doubt if they offer total discretion and total privacy, it would be one of the most sought after casinos by players, even some whales could go and stay there because I'm sure that will be the trend once adoption is achieved crypto.

There were casinos that intentionally mentioned the use of privacy coins at their launch, and even that didn't secure them the player base that you are mentioning because people are focused more on established casinos that already has a name on the industry. People are fine using the traditional cryptocurrencies as is even without the added layer of protection, so long as there are no KYC involved in the platform itself. Ever wonder why there are no successful privacy-centric casinos that mainly focuses on privacy coins? Because they tend to forget that gamblers go to the platform to play and not to be "extra safe" that they neglect improving what they offer and focused on security and privacy instead.

But then why are monero holders not using these privacy focused casinos or no KYC casinos which accepts monero.
I think those people are holding monero because of it's privacy and I have seen that monero is also used on the dark web.
So many people must be holding monero and in that case they can use the coins on these casinos right ?
This should have triggered a large user base for such privacy focused casinos in my perspective.

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