The digital ID for Gambling - page 6.

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Quote from: Kakmakr on June 07, 2022, 01:36:32 AM

This will only work in a regulated environment and a lot of casinos are not regulated, so they will simply allow players without KYC requirements and underage gambling and tax evasion will still be a problem for Denmark. Roll Eyes

The new problem will be scam casinos popping up to target those people that does not want to adhere to the KYC verification and people losing a lot of money on these scam sites. (They will have no backing for the government to protect them, so they will simply not report it) Roll Eyes

Fraudulent casinos have always been and will continue to exist until the casinos change their approach to securing player funds through the use of smart contract vaults.

There is no way Digital ID can protect a cheated player, but the possibility of hackers hacking into this system and sending personal user data to the black market will.

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Quote from: Tumanggor on June 04, 2022, 04:25:45 PM

My question is whether this will be effective because surely there will be a way found for those who are minors and who do not want their privacy known to be able to play gambling

if my country treats this then I will focus on playing in online casinos that don't require it (digital ID or KYC) because privacy is a valuable thing for me

No one knows yet if it will be effective or if there will still be abuse from minors because we know that minors can access many websites without anyone knowing. Therefore, the government needs to pay attention to this problem if they really want to know who I am playing gambling.

Maybe online casinos based on crypto will still be our goal in playing gambling because many crypto casinos do not ask their users for KYC or digital ID. Hopefully, crypto casinos will continue to provide crypto gamblers with privacy.

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This will only work in a regulated environment and a lot of casinos are not regulated, so they will simply allow players without KYC requirements and underage gambling and tax evasion will still be a problem for Denmark. Roll Eyes

The new problem will be scam casinos popping up to target those people that does not want to adhere to the KYC verification and people losing a lot of money on these scam sites. (They will have no backing for the government to protect them, so they will simply not report it) Roll Eyes

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Quote from: fiulpro on May 31, 2022, 10:33:05 AM

Apparently Denmark is all Set to Launch the new Digital ID rules for Gambling in the upcoming July. They have already been using some sort of identification but apparently this is new and improved and would apply for all the gamblers willing to submit their ID and use the services. EasyID is now going to be Replaced by MyID. The license holders of online casino would have to now integrate their systems in the manner that the government prefers. People are still waiting for an update but I would like to know what you think about the system of online ID? Integrating it with gambling might be saving some kids going on these sites but it might also be taking all the privacy away. What are your thoughts on this ?
Reference:
https://www.gamblinginsider.com/news/16594/denmark-to-introduce-new-digital-id-rules-in-july

I noticed one pattern - legislative innovations are initially introduced in the Nordic countries (Finland, Sweden, Norway and Denmark). Then these innovations are used by all other countries.

The introduction of new digital identification rules in online casinos is a landmark event. This is a general trend towards limiting anonymity and privacy in the virtual space. This trend makes me sad.

Protecting the rights of children on the Internet is (in my opinion) an excuse to fight the privacy and anonymity of Internet users. On the one hand, states want to collect more taxes from individuals, and on the other hand, they want to control all the income and expenses of citizens.

This is a general global trend to limit the rights and freedoms of citizens.

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Quote from: Maestro75 on June 03, 2022, 10:29:38 PM

As kids we had our little gambling games without going on the big stage or casinos. How is government going to control street and school gambling with that if not through enforced law at those centres and not some ID thing.

Wow! You reminded me of school gambling, I have just remembered my high school days,

Yes, well, but online casinos are essentially different from you gambling with your friends. They hook more and you can lose a lot more money, if you have it. Surely with your friends, you bet some change, some pocket money, but betting online you can lose a fortune. There have been cases of minors taking their parents' cards to gamble, which I don't think you did with your friends when you gambled at school.

What makes the casino kind of gambling different from the type of gambling we had as kids in school and on the streets is the enlarged stage of the casino. Another thing is that there is room for cheating in casinos than what kids can do. Back yard dealings from the management and among players too are common with casinos. Apart from that, gambling is gambling. Even when it is done in the church, it is still gambling. You talked about stealing credit cards to play on the casinos, lots of kids then also stole their parents' cash to gamble too.

This simply implies that no matter how hard for these things to be implemented then its never been a precise thing to get rid out of these scenarios which you had mentioned which is indeed true.
Any forms of gambling could really be done on any situations as long it do involves betting.It doesnt matter on what age range you are as long you do make out such activity then it would surely counts.
Minors could still access or could really still play gambling if they wanted too without tagging up themselves about digital ID or something in related with this idea.

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Quote from: Maestro75 on June 03, 2022, 10:29:38 PM

As kids we had our little gambling games without going on the big stage or casinos. How is government going to control street and school gambling with that if not through enforced law at those centres and not some ID thing.

Wow! You reminded me of school gambling, I have just remembered my high school days,

Yes, well, but online casinos are essentially different from you gambling with your friends. They hook more and you can lose a lot more money, if you have it. Surely with your friends, you bet some change, some pocket money, but betting online you can lose a fortune. There have been cases of minors taking their parents' cards to gamble, which I don't think you did with your friends when you gambled at school.

What makes the casino kind of gambling different from the type of gambling we had as kids in school and on the streets is the enlarged stage of the casino. Another thing is that there is room for cheating in casinos than what kids can do. Back yard dealings from the management and among players too are common with casinos. Apart from that, gambling is gambling. Even when it is done in the church, it is still gambling. You talked about stealing credit cards to play on the casinos, lots of kids then also stole their parents' cash to gamble too.

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My question is whether this will be effective because surely there will be a way found for those who are minors and who do not want their privacy known to be able to play gambling

if my country treats this then I will focus on playing in online casinos that don't require it (digital ID or KYC) because privacy is a valuable thing for me

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There will definitely be some strengths and weaknesses of the Online ID system. And I think if it has been decided that way, of course the decision is taken for the best way.
In my opinion, the advantages include making the system more integrated, sophisticated, and easy. On the other hand, of course, this also contains several weaknesses, including being vulnerable to cyber crimes. Because we know that the digital world always has loopholes for hacking or other crimes. However, if the state is ready for this, it will no longer be a problem. Later, there will definitely be an evaluation in its implementation and maybe some further developments.

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Quote from: Wexnident on June 04, 2022, 03:26:18 AM

The idea honestly looks good, but I still think it wouldn't really last. It might be for the checking identities and all of that, but said measures have already been taken in the past and nothing has really changed imo. Underaged gambling is still possible and the first and foremost goal of these kinds of policies is to pretty much ensure that they get the money (aka taxes) from gamblers.

These are taxes and control. I am against taxes (only casinos should pay them, not players) and even more so I am against control. But it is natural that the government has directly opposite interests. By the way, it will be interesting to see how quickly these digital IDs will leak and be sold on black markets Grin

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The idea honestly looks good, but I still think it wouldn't really last. It might be for the checking identities and all of that, but said measures have already been taken in the past and nothing has really changed imo. Underaged gambling is still possible and the first and foremost goal of these kinds of policies is to pretty much ensure that they get the money (aka taxes) from gamblers.

Quote from: Mauser on June 04, 2022, 02:52:41 AM

Looks like Denmark is trying to take more control of the gambling industry. I am wondering if this is really only protect kids from having access to casinos, or if they want to make sure that no one is cheating the government, and everybody is paying taxes.

Probably all of the above? It's enforcing KYC more but honestly, I don't really mind when it comes to gambling, especially if it wasn't really crypto casinos (since those, I'd at least have some expectations that it isn't KYC locked, though that's like the small minority really).

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Quote from: Maestro75 on June 03, 2022, 10:29:38 PM

As kids we had our little gambling games without going on the big stage or casinos. How is government going to control street and school gambling with that if not through enforced law at those centres and not some ID thing.

Wow! You reminded me of school gambling, I have just remembered my high school days, we even used solving questions to gamble, like able to solve certain number of questions and have certain number of questions answered correctly. We turn a lot to gambling. The government are not that strict to what is happening among kids so far they do not harm each other and this is not addicting.

Yes, well, but online casinos are essentially different from you gambling with your friends. They hook more and you can lose a lot more money, if you have it. Surely with your friends, you bet some change, some pocket money, but betting online you can lose a fortune. There have been cases of minors taking their parents' cards to gamble, which I don't think you did with your friends when you gambled at school.

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Quote from: Maestro75 on June 03, 2022, 10:29:38 PM

I do not think it is about taking kids out of it. I do not think governments are run by morality. The main reason will be what dothebeats said. Government wants to make sure no tax escapes. If government wants to keep kids out of gambling, there should be law on that and it should be enforced.

Probably there could be another way around that the government can follow that can help kids to abstain from gambling, but I do not think there can be a way the kids can abstain from gambling except the government make ways the kids can be know, a useful one is the digital ID, though it can deprive people from privacy, but the privacy that many of us do not even have before. Only few people, like less than 1% out of 100% are still having privacy. There are many sites that are requiring for ID documents and most people are just giving it out, there is no privacy before for many people.

Quote from: Maestro75 on June 03, 2022, 10:29:38 PM

As kids we had our little gambling games without going on the big stage or casinos. How is government going to control street and school gambling with that if not through enforced law at those centres and not some ID thing.

Wow! You reminded me of school gambling, I have just remembered my high school days, we even used solving questions to gamble, like able to solve certain number of questions and have certain number of questions answered correctly. We turn a lot to gambling. The government are not that strict to what is happening among kids so far they do not harm each other and this is not addicting.

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Quote from: fiulpro on May 31, 2022, 10:33:05 AM

Apparently Denmark is all Set to Launch the new Digital ID rules for Gambling in the upcoming July. They have already been using some sort of identification but apparently this is new and improved and would apply for all the gamblers willing to submit their ID and use the services. EasyID is now going to be Replaced by MyID. The license holders of online casino would have to now integrate their systems in the manner that the government prefers. People are still waiting for an update but I would like to know what you think about the system of online ID? Integrating it with gambling might be saving some kids going on these sites but it might also be taking all the privacy away. What are your thoughts on this ?
Reference:
https://www.gamblinginsider.com/news/16594/denmark-to-introduce-new-digital-id-rules-in-july

Well this will be beneficial for regular gamblers as they will be needing this ID in most time but not for the occasional gambler as this will take their Privacy also , though this is not a Obligatory that I think Denmark is respecting their gambler and also this is a good sign how they are supporting the gambling industry in Denmark.
How I wish someday our country will have this same stand and respect for gamblers and not just a place where they collecting money .

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Looks like Denmark is trying to take more control of the gambling industry. I am wondering if this is really only protect kids from having access to casinos, or if they want to make sure that no one is cheating the government, and everybody is paying taxes.
When it comes to digital Ids I am very critical, there are two big concerns security and privacy. How easy is it copy such a digital ID and how many people have access to these information? I don't want that everybody knows where I am gambling when there are security risks. All the data will likely be stored on some government servers as well as the casino server. To be honest I would expect the casino to have higher security levels than the government. The other thing is, how easy can people fake such IDs. There are already generators online to make fake IDs. So maybe what was the fake ID 15 years ago to get alcohol and go to a club, will be the fake digital ID in today's time. If there is no missus guaranteed and the security levels are high I would go for it. And maybe the government will make it mandatory for all new casinos, then there is no more way around it.

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Quote from: Oshosondy on June 03, 2022, 08:28:23 PM

Quote from: TopT3ns on June 02, 2022, 06:20:13 PM

I think the development of the gambling world is like this, so there is no privacy that is properly guarded, with the presence of a digital ID in gambling places, it will make everyone including the government know who is gambling in that place and of course it will be a place to get a lot of money from taxes they levy on gamblers. I think it would be better to keep their privacy even though they have to pay taxes.

There are still means you can gamble with you having some privacy, like gambling on some gambling site on this forum, but the world is going more digital and less privacy is becoming more possible with the government perpetrating. I do not see this as a good idea but children can even be monitored, especially in a way children and teenagers can be known and stopped from gambling as it is against one of the gambling terms and conditions.

I'm not sure that this will prevent children from playing gambling because they can borrow adult identities or use casinos that don't use identities such as crypto casinos that have developed rapidly.
But this method can also be applied in the casino and see how it turns out at the casino.
If this method is successfully implemented to reduce children's gambling, I think the government can enforce this rule, but I'm still not sure about crypto casinos.
But the government wants to know the players gambling in the casinos so they implement this rule in certain countries.

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Quote from: livingfree on May 31, 2022, 10:54:51 AM

I like it if one concern is to prohibit kids go into the premises of these gambling places. But there are deeper reasons why they've done this, like what dothebeats said, taxation is the most concern on this.

I do not think it is about taking kids out of it. I do not think governments are run by morality. The main reason will be what dothebeats said. Government wants to make sure no tax escapes. If government wants to keep kids out of gambling, there should be law on that and it should be enforced. As kids we had our little gambling games without going on the big stage or casinos. How is government going to control street and school gambling with that if not through enforced law at those centres and not some ID thing.

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Quote from: OgNasty on June 03, 2022, 06:30:42 PM

I think a digital ID is going to provide a lot of problems for enforcement agencies. I don't see how they can tell who is the one behind the digital ID and how will they deal with compromised IDs? I feel like this is an idea that might seem good on the surface to politicians who don't understand it, but once implemented it will likely be a massive headache that won't last more than a couple years before it's decided that it was an idea that was dead upon arrival.

That is true. Not that in Denmark it's going to happen frequently, but I can imagine this trend reaching to another governments around the world and having their citizens creating schemes of renting, lending and manufacturing IDs to others who can't have a legit ID by themselves. Next step from governments will be to integrate a live monitoring system attached to every gamblers' devices to record their faces while they gamble, so there won't be any doubts the person gambling is the same person of the ID card.

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Quote from: TopT3ns on June 02, 2022, 06:20:13 PM

I think the development of the gambling world is like this, so there is no privacy that is properly guarded, with the presence of a digital ID in gambling places, it will make everyone including the government know who is gambling in that place and of course it will be a place to get a lot of money from taxes they levy on gamblers. I think it would be better to keep their privacy even though they have to pay taxes.

There are still means you can gamble with you having some privacy, like gambling on some gambling site on this forum, but the world is going more digital and less privacy is becoming more possible with the government perpetrating. I do not see this as a good idea but children can even be monitored, especially in a way children and teenagers can be known and stopped from gambling as it is against one of the gambling terms and conditions.

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Quote from: OgNasty on June 03, 2022, 06:30:42 PM

I think a digital ID is going to provide a lot of problems for enforcement agencies. I don't see how they can tell who is the one behind the digital ID and how will they deal with compromised IDs? I feel like this is an idea that might seem good on the surface to politicians who don't understand it, but once implemented it will likely be a massive headache that won't last more than a couple years before it's decided that it was an idea that was dead upon arrival.

That could be a huge problem,we need to know who created and developed this digital ID, I might say that digital ID somehome can give an advantage but then it could be also a disadvantage for us, especially if this information could not be handled properly it could be dangerous, our privacy may be at risk, they could use that in illegal activities or sell it to someone wants to buy identities. If it is government related works, we still need to know the exact details of developers.

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I think a digital ID is going to provide a lot of problems for enforcement agencies. I don't see how they can tell who is the one behind the digital ID and how will they deal with compromised IDs? I feel like this is an idea that might seem good on the surface to politicians who don't understand it, but once implemented it will likely be a massive headache that won't last more than a couple years before it's decided that it was an idea that was dead upon arrival.

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