The digital ID for Gambling - page 7.

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Quote from: fiulpro on May 31, 2022, 10:33:05 AM

Apparently Denmark is all Set to Launch the new Digital ID rules for Gambling in the upcoming July. They have already been using some sort of identification but apparently this is new and improved and would apply for all the gamblers willing to submit their ID and use the services. EasyID is now going to be Replaced by MyID. The license holders of online casino would have to now integrate their systems in the manner that the government prefers. People are still waiting for an update but I would like to know what you think about the system of online ID? Integrating it with gambling might be saving some kids going on these sites but it might also be taking all the privacy away. What are your thoughts on this ?

I never read or hear something like this before but based on your post it's optional, the gambler should know the risk of being tracked, this is something I would not do, not because I don't trust my government but when it comes to gambling its different you want it to be private and you don't want your government controlling your finances which is possible if they can see how you spend money in gambling and I don't think our government will set up something like this, because of the corruption of some of our officials.

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Quote from: DoublerHunter on June 02, 2022, 06:51:59 PM

^ I also thinking of this, probably this ID system will matter only of having taxes and people should pay tax and the government will always benefit on this.
However, that is the disadvantage that I have seen here, if you will analyze the ID system will help the gamblers and also the gambling platform upon scamming for both parties. there is no scam for both or any illegal activities because they are both under the control of the government. I want to hear an update on this like after a year or in several months, if there will be improvements much better, it could also other countries will follow of what they did.

If not for taxes, why will they implement uid verification for a gambler who enjoys playing in his leisure time, you know some casino platforms don't request KYC before withdrawal and there are some countries who licence these platforms to operate in their jurisdiction but many of them wouldn't want to undergo verification since they don't want the government to have a cut in their winnings, smart move. Grin

I think some people may want to do this but users who know the implication of privacy dump wouldn't try it, beside it is not a compulsory task before you can engage in gambling, it may even die if it's not worldwide.

We find the primary concern is to stop the underage people from gambling, but the reality is different. The measures were a beginning to end the taxation issues arising out of gambling. When KYC is done using the digital ID automatically each and every play is being monitored and based on the profit/loss one can be taxed. As mentioned this isn't mandatory which gives a relief to the gamblers.

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Quote from: Silberman on June 03, 2022, 05:53:48 PM

Quote from: Doell on June 03, 2022, 05:09:53 PM

Digital ID preventing children from playing gambling is small chance because they can still play on other site using a VPN for example or an android application, a big impact that is full of risks to gamblers if there is a data leakage, Anyway that's something must be guarded for every gambler. Tax are actually from government's top priority but Digital Id is something to be avoided, there is no security and pleasure. Gamblers are always monitored and many bad things may come in the future, because rumors of a lot government database system can always be cracked.

This is why I have never liked proposals like this, it seems people are willing to sacrifice their privacy for a false sense of security, so while I think some measures should be established to stop those which are too young from gambling doing something like is too extreme, because if people are willing to do such sacrifices for this then how much else we will have to sacrifice for something else? In my opinion there are limits to wt we can accept and this goes beyond what it is acceptable to me.

Depends on someone because some couldnt take out these terms and some do really just simply go with the flow and having those common lines "what should i be afraid of?" on which there is really
some point where as long you dont hide something then sharing or complying out in terms of verification or id info then it wont really be that much of an issue.
This isnt really just too different with our casual verification nowadays in speaking with that digital ID.

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Quote from: TopT3ns on June 02, 2022, 06:20:13 PM

I think the development of the gambling world is like this, so there is no privacy that is properly guarded, with the presence of a digital ID in gambling places, it will make everyone including the government know who is gambling in that place and of course it will be a place to get a lot of money from taxes they levy on gamblers. I think it would be better to keep their privacy even though they have to pay taxes.

it is not neccessary digital id in gambling world, we need privacy using our money in this game but why should regulate it with ID ? gambler want spend their money in table secretly no matter they loss or win but they also want no one about him. it is not investment so digital id not correct if applied here.

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Quote from: Doell on June 03, 2022, 05:09:53 PM

Digital ID preventing children from playing gambling is small chance because they can still play on other site using a VPN for example or an android application, a big impact that is full of risks to gamblers if there is a data leakage, Anyway that's something must be guarded for every gambler. Tax are actually from government's top priority but Digital Id is something to be avoided, there is no security and pleasure. Gamblers are always monitored and many bad things may come in the future, because rumors of a lot government database system can always be cracked.

This is why I have never liked proposals like this, it seems people are willing to sacrifice their privacy for a false sense of security, so while I think some measures should be established to stop those which are too young from gambling doing something like is too extreme, because if people are willing to do such sacrifices for this then how much else we will have to sacrifice for something else? In my opinion there are limits to what we can accept and this goes beyond what it is acceptable to me.

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Digital ID preventing children from playing gambling is small chance because they can still play on other site using a VPN for example or an android application, a big impact that is full of risks to gamblers if there is a data leakage, Anyway that's something must be guarded for every gambler. Tax are actually from government's top priority but Digital Id is something to be avoided, there is no security and pleasure. Gamblers are always monitored and many bad things may come in the future, because rumors of a lot government database system can always be cracked.

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Then there are no way to play anonymously in the gamble platform for the Denmark citizen? I think if it will apply, government will get taxes very easily and track users data at any time if any one try to hide income sources. Most important thing is can't play under 18+, but digital id verification can be hassle if privacy will not be protected.

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Quote from: goldkingcoiner on May 31, 2022, 11:15:42 PM

Oh wow that is going to either really suck or be a massive improvement for the gambling world. With a Digital ID they can perhaps deal better with keeping out gambling addicts and children who are just curious to try gambling. I guess gambling addicted children can also fall into that category.

Since its coming out of Denmark we can expect they will at least somewhat respect human rights in matters of privacy.

I doubt that Denmark is trying to pull a fast one over their own citizens. They have too much of a good track record to do that. So lets see what happens!

If this sucks then no worries as this was only in Denmark but if this was an improvement then sorry because again this was only for Denmark Tongue

. With something like this, they can keep out under age people that will try to gamble but for addicts, no I don't think they will stop them but they will actually like it more because that gives them income.

They don't have the right to monitor the personal health of the gambler unless maybe if the gambler is the one that consults on them saying that he has a problem in gambling. They can then help the gambler with some financial and then close his account for a certain period of time until he is ready again.

Oh they are coming out of Denmark? That really shows confidence when it comes to convincing investors of their moral standings, with it being EU and a very stable country. But then again not everyone who comes out of Denmark is the right person for the job. What do you think of their team members? Can they get the job done? Do they seem like they have a lot of potential? Because thats really one of the most important parts of evaluating whether the digital ID will be a flop or something that actually works.

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Quote from: fiulpro on May 31, 2022, 10:33:05 AM

Apparently Denmark is all Set to Launch the new Digital ID rules for Gambling in the upcoming July. They have already been using some sort of identification but apparently this is new and improved and would apply for all the gamblers willing to submit their ID and use the services. EasyID is now going to be Replaced by MyID. The license holders of online casino would have to now integrate their systems in the manner that the government prefers. People are still waiting for an update but I would like to know what you think about the system of online ID? Integrating it with gambling might be saving some kids going on these sites but it might also be taking all the privacy away. What are your thoughts on this ?
Reference:
https://www.gamblinginsider.com/news/16594/denmark-to-introduce-new-digital-id-rules-in-july

I think there will be 2 differences of opinion in responding to this policy, both are equally correct...

As a parent I support their policies, but as an anonymous I do not support them. Indeed, there is no other way that can be done to prevent a kid from playing gambling other than using the method above because if a kid is addicted to gambling then that behavior will damage the future of the child and parents are sick about it.

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Quote from: goldkingcoiner on May 31, 2022, 11:15:42 PM

Oh wow that is going to either really suck or be a massive improvement for the gambling world. With a Digital ID they can perhaps deal better with keeping out gambling addicts and children who are just curious to try gambling. I guess gambling addicted children can also fall into that category.

Since its coming out of Denmark we can expect they will at least somewhat respect human rights in matters of privacy.

I doubt that Denmark is trying to pull a fast one over their own citizens. They have too much of a good track record to do that. So lets see what happens!

If this sucks then no worries as this was only in Denmark but if this was an improvement then sorry because again this was only for Denmark Tongue

. With something like this, they can keep out under age people that will try to gamble but for addicts, no I don't think they will stop them but they will actually like it more because that gives them income.

They don't have the right to monitor the personal health of the gambler unless maybe if the gambler is the one that consults on them saying that he has a problem in gambling. They can then help the gambler with some financial and then close his account for a certain period of time until he is ready again.

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Quote from: doomloop on June 03, 2022, 08:24:36 AM

Quote from: fiulpro on May 31, 2022, 10:33:05 AM

and would apply for all the gamblers willing to submit their ID

That means this is not mandatory? So that means any kinds of people can still play gambling including the kids but pretty sure this new feature has some kind of benefits or perks like an increase in limit when betting or when depositing/withdrawing and better if they can also increase the rakes and bonus by the player who verifies his identity, like what some gambling sites are doing.

In fact, children can use cryptocurrencies and use any dark markets. Why shouldn't they use the casino and why should it be of concern (to the authorities or the casino)? As for the benefits, I doubt that they will be, this system is introduced forcibly under pain of punishment and not on a contractual basis.

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Quote from: DoublerHunter on June 02, 2022, 06:51:59 PM

^ I also thinking of this, probably this ID system will matter only of having taxes and people should pay tax and the government will always benefit on this.
However, that is the disadvantage that I have seen here, if you will analyze the ID system will help the gamblers and also the gambling platform upon scamming for both parties. there is no scam for both or any illegal activities because they are both under the control of the government. I want to hear an update on this like after a year or in several months, if there will be improvements much better, it could also other countries will follow of what they did.

If not for taxes, why will they implement uid verification for a gambler who enjoys playing in his leisure time, you know some casino platforms don't request KYC before withdrawal and there are some countries who licence these platforms to operate in their jurisdiction but many of them wouldn't want to undergo verification since they don't want the government to have a cut in their winnings, smart move. Grin

I think some people may want to do this but users who know the implication of privacy dump wouldn't try it, beside it is not a compulsory task before you can engage in gambling, it may even die if it's not worldwide.

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Quote from: fiulpro on May 31, 2022, 10:33:05 AM

Apparently Denmark is all Set to Launch the new Digital ID rules for Gambling in the upcoming July. They have already been using some sort of identification but apparently this is new and improved and would apply for all the gamblers willing to submit their ID and use the services. EasyID is now going to be Replaced by MyID. The license holders of online casino would have to now integrate their systems in the manner that the government prefers. People are still waiting for an update but I would like to know what you think about the system of online ID? Integrating it with gambling might be saving some kids going on these sites but it might also be taking all the privacy away. What are your thoughts on this ?
Reference:
https://www.gamblinginsider.com/news/16594/denmark-to-introduce-new-digital-id-rules-in-july

I don't see this as a welfare for the gamblers but more on the country's benefits as they can easily traced the amount of taxes that they have to collect. I guess banning of certain gamblers will be easy for them too as they can now have an access to every gambler which is contradicting to the wishes of most gamblers to remain anonymous. However, this will also help to get rid of those underage gamblers as they have to reach a legal age first before they can start gambling legally.

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Before it was MyID and now it was EasyID but whatever term they called it, it was still the same kyc but in fairness the new name seems to be attractive. I just hope that its name is the same to what will be the process look like. I am expecting it will now be more easier to apply for this than compare to the old system.

Quote from: fiulpro on May 31, 2022, 10:33:05 AM

and would apply for all the gamblers willing to submit their ID

That means this is not mandatory? So that means any kinds of people can still play gambling including the kids but pretty sure this new feature has some kind of benefits or perks like an increase in limit when betting or when depositing/withdrawing and better if they can also increase the rakes and bonus by the player who verifies his identity, like what some gambling sites are doing.

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Quote from: TopT3ns on June 02, 2022, 06:20:13 PM

I think the development of the gambling world is like this, so there is no privacy that is properly guarded, with the presence of a digital ID in gambling places, it will make everyone including the government know who is gambling in that place and of course it will be a place to get a lot of money from taxes they levy on gamblers. I think it would be better to keep their privacy even though they have to pay taxes.

But we are in a crypto world that does not use identity to transact. After the implementation of digital ID in all crypto businesses, there will be no more privacy for people who hold crypto because of interference from the government who wants to know who owns crypto. And yes, the government wants to tax more as their source of income from the crypto world and that's why the government has started asking for the identity of all crypto businesses.

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Quote from: TopT3ns on June 02, 2022, 06:20:13 PM

I think the development of the gambling world is like this, so there is no privacy that is properly guarded, with the presence of a digital ID in gambling places, it will make everyone including the government know who is gambling in that place and of course it will be a place to get a lot of money from taxes they levy on gamblers. I think it would be better to keep their privacy even though they have to pay taxes.

^ I also thinking of this, probably this ID system will matter only of having taxes and people should pay tax and the government will always benefit on this.
However, that is the disadvantage that I have seen here, if you will analyze the ID system will help the gamblers and also the gambling platform upon scamming for both parties. there is no scam for both or any illegal activities because they are both under the control of the government. I want to hear an update on this like after a year or in several months, if there will be improvements much better, it could also other countries will follow of what they did.

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I think the development of the gambling world is like this, so there is no privacy that is properly guarded, with the presence of a digital ID in gambling places, it will make everyone including the government know who is gambling in that place and of course it will be a place to get a lot of money from taxes they levy on gamblers. I think it would be better to keep their privacy even though they have to pay taxes.

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Quote from: KTChampions on June 01, 2022, 03:59:10 PM

ID for gambling, ID as passport of health, ID to track carbon trail, ID for whatever and so on. When I see all these initiatives and innovations, I always "get stuck" between two thoughts: on the one hand, officials are cretins and come up with cretin things just to prove their need and continue to be parasites. On the other hand, all this very clearly leads to totalitarianism, that is, it is a completely meaningful strategy. Quite funny, but I think both motives are significant here.

for sure, this move will make their government track their people about their activities. now, it depends on the person himself if he will use such ID to use those gambling sites. this is why it is better to play in crypto casinos or bookies, because some of them are not yet asking for KYC. the decision to use ID is really up to the individual. because once he submitted his credentials, he should know that his privacy is at stake here. the government knows his gambling activities and so he should not be surprised if he needs to submit tax for this activity.

In general, I noticed that this issue (confidentiality and privacy) is practically absent in the modern world. Wherever there is data, there will be leaks - just watch the news to see that any data is leaking from government, offshore or corporate. When a government creates another database and ID system for something, it obviously creates future problems for end users. In the next topic, there is a discussion where many speak out for the fact that the employer is right when he removes addicted gamblers from work - it is obvious that such figures will delve into other people's data without remorse in order to "secure their business from unnecessary risks". Well, there is a positive side to this as cryptocurrencies offer working solutions to bypass all of this.

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Quote from: n0ne on June 01, 2022, 01:21:16 AM

For few reasons this is good.

Important one is the kids getting into gambling can be restricted.
Government is able to tax the gamblers.
Casinos have the advantage of solving issues, if someone have tried to cheat.
It is possible to easily keep track of gamblers getting into addiction. Measures can be taken by giving break to those users.

That is true that the new ID can help to restrict the kids and under 18+ from gambling and also make tax be more possible by the government but Casinos do not have any more advantage to solve issues or you can explain more about this.

Gambling platforms without with just verification can keep track record of their users, some have ways to limit their users from gambling with large amount of money but to limit their users from gambling is not effective and as I understand it, the gambling sites do not care about you, your property or anything about you, the best way is to not just get addicted because no other best way solves anything related to gambling addiction.

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At first, it sounds convenient but after seeing the previous cases of casinos and sportsbooks getting compromised and potentially leaking their player's information the risk is still there. It might help stop people that are under 18 from gambling but it won't completely stop the problem though. On the other hand, the rules make it somewhat faster for gamblers to verify their accounts if the only thing they need is to provide a digital ID instead of having that selfie requirement plus the utility bill that could take days up to weeks.

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