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legendary
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June 22, 2013, 07:38:21 PM
#35
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Well, I've been expecting it within the next couple years for a decade already, and recent events make me wonder if we have more than a couple months.  But again, we never know in advance what the 'last straw' will be.  For the Brazilians, it was a 10 cent bus fare hike; for the founders of the United States, it was a 3 pence per pound tax on tea.  When a society is being attacked with a thousand cuts, it's hard to tell when you hit that last one.

The pebbles have been rolling for a long time, I think the shift in US markets at the end of the week was a boulder tumbling though and it could be the one that sets off the whole avalanche. Kind of ironic if it does, it happened after Bernanke hinted the fed might slow down on the money printing.

No, no; this wasn't it.  If there is nothing else I'm sure of, it's that the FedReserve will not do anything that will end the game early.  They know the con at least as well as outsiders, and they are dependent upon it's continuance.  They will do and say anything they can to fix it, even if that means completely backtracking on prior statements and actions.  If the trigger is monetary in nature, it can only be because Congress did something to deliberately disrupt the Fed's power, and I think too many of them know the score to consider such an action either.  Whatever the trigger is, it won't be directly due to monetary policy of the US.  Much more likely is that the trigger be related to the monetary policy of Japan or China, either of them could break the US Treasury now, it's just not been in their interests.  The Failure-to-deliver chart for US treasury bonds has tripled in the past three weeks.  The last time that has happened, Leaman Brothers was hung out to dry.  And that distraction barely worked the first time.
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June 22, 2013, 06:55:27 PM
#34
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June 22, 2013, 02:52:42 PM
#33
“A pessimist is never disappointed.”

How true.

Here's the thing... I don't think it's actually going to be anything spectacular. There will be a very brief period of time where sane people hide in their cellars while the 'average citizen with a firearm' plugs into his local community and helps defend it from the roaming gangs from the large cities. But after a few weeks/months all the idiots will have been shot or starved to death.

Then society will resume. It will be an utterly sane culture backed by morals and the willingness to respond with lethal force. Most of the creature comforts will return at that point, and people with the skills will step up to get everything working again.

OR

it could just end, and everyone could go on with their daily lives and be completely unaffected.

~

Take your pick.
legendary
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June 22, 2013, 01:57:03 PM
#32
For some reason, it's encouraging to find this thread, despite the sad theme.

I feel like I've been holding my breath about this stuff since about the turn of the century.
Amazingly, most systems muddle along so far, with one unbelievable patch pasted over another.

The amazing thing about such things is the amount of inertia that faith in the system has to keep things going for a time, yet when faith in the system is lost change happens quite rapidly, and sometimes violently.  Look at Brazil over the past several days; they've been having economic issues for a long time, and have a government openly determined to suppress the trade value of the fiat currency for well over a year, but in the end it was a 10 cent hike in the price of public transit that was the trigger.  No leadership to arrest, no common theme, just a million people across the country that suddenly all had enough crap at once.  The United States has been running on public faith inertia since at least 2000, but the rash of federal scandals is severely undermining that faith.  When that 'faith bubble' finally pops, what happens next is anyone's guess.

Ive come to support the argument that society has traded convenience & safety for freedom. Meaning that the world over, the middle classes (baby boomers in particular) have struck some kind unspoken deal with the ruling classes. They get their creature comforts, expanding waistline, money in the bank and a belief that things always go up and in return they give away incremental amounts of liberty - things that would not have been stood for a short generation ago. Now everyone has big screen tv's, iphones, cars with tv's that broadcast mindless reality shows and no one worries about creeping deregulation, lobbying or the revolving government / corporate door. Wealth has risen and even though stocks and homes may have dropped they think they are always about to go up again soon. And of course, we're safe from the terrorists and criminals. That's why all these blatant scandals, rigging and schemes go unpunished.

Still, I just don't see a western nation having a Brazil moment just yet. The narrative and delivery by the MSM is just too strong. Smiley

But you just never know. As said change usually comes from a minor event unleashing a bigger force: Rosa Parks, the Tunisian who self immolated, bus fare hikes etc. What will be the tipping point in the West?
legendary
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June 22, 2013, 01:39:07 PM
#31

Well, I've been expecting it within the next couple years for a decade already, and recent events make me wonder if we have more than a couple months.  But again, we never know in advance what the 'last straw' will be.  For the Brazilians, it was a 10 cent bus fare hike; for the founders of the United States, it was a 3 pence per pound tax on tea.  When a society is being attacked with a thousand cuts, it's hard to tell when you hit that last one.

Because of this very long delay, lots of folks that would maybe start and listen to the preachers, just won't now.
The the main stream media basically ridicules these preachers because they have been saying it for so long .
The collapse could be postponed even a few more years which makes it even harder to convince anybody to prepare.

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June 22, 2013, 12:10:39 PM
#30
You always have a responsibility to vote! Even here in Canada prominent community leaders take your attitude and it is sad.

Not voting is called voter apathy and says I'm happy with the status quo. You have a responsibility to spoil your vote.

In apartheid South Africa where the election districts were rigged whites were told by the passive liberal educators to spoil there vote as a form of protest. It wasn't untilled the apartheid government had overwhelming spoil voters did they hold a referendum, to compromise on principles and negotiate with terrorists. 

Sounds like you've bought in to the propaganda of the politicians.  When you participate in the democratic process you are only helping to legitimize it.  As far as I'm concerned, only when a libertarian-leaning candidate has a chance of winning is it worth my while to vote.  Otherwise, I agree with Doug Casey--it is my duty to not vote.  (http://www.caseyresearch.com/articles/doug-caseys-top-five-reasons-not-vote)

Agorism is a much more productive way to bring about change.  From the Wikipedia article on Agorism:

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Agorists generally oppose voting for political candidates and political reform. Instead, agorists stress the importance of alternative strategies rather than politics to achieve a free society. Agorists claim that we can achieve a free society more easily and sooner by employing such alternative methods such as education, direct action, alternative currencies, entrepreneurship, self sufficiency, and most importantly "counter-economics".

I am a flavor of librarian, I can't in good conscience vote for some one unless I agree 100% with them. To date it has just been me.
There is no more of a clear signal to politicians than a majority of voters choosing not to vote by spoiling the ballot. (Abstaining says voter apathy and that = keep doing what we're doing) so as long as we have a vote I will always spoil it. IMO Spoiling is a vote for Agorism and Abstaining is a vote saying I'll follow whoever wins.
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June 22, 2013, 11:06:54 AM
#29
You always have a responsibility to vote! Even here in Canada prominent community leaders take your attitude and it is sad.

Not voting is called voter apathy and says I'm happy with the status quo. You have a responsibility to spoil your vote.

In apartheid South Africa where the election districts were rigged whites were told by the passive liberal educators to spoil there vote as a form of protest. It wasn't untilled the apartheid government had overwhelming spoil voters did they hold a referendum, to compromise on principles and negotiate with terrorists. 

Sounds like you've bought in to the propaganda of the politicians.  When you participate in the democratic process you are only helping to legitimize it.  As far as I'm concerned, only when a libertarian-leaning candidate has a chance of winning is it worth my while to vote.  Otherwise, I agree with Doug Casey--it is my duty to not vote.  (http://www.caseyresearch.com/articles/doug-caseys-top-five-reasons-not-vote)

Agorism is a much more productive way to bring about change.  From the Wikipedia article on Agorism:

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Agorists generally oppose voting for political candidates and political reform. Instead, agorists stress the importance of alternative strategies rather than politics to achieve a free society. Agorists claim that we can achieve a free society more easily and sooner by employing such alternative methods such as education, direct action, alternative currencies, entrepreneurship, self sufficiency, and most importantly "counter-economics".
legendary
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June 22, 2013, 10:05:33 AM
#28
You always have a responsibility to vote! Even here in Canada prominent community leaders take your attitude and it is sad.

Not voting is called voter apathy and says I'm happy with the status quo. You have a responsibility to spoil your vote.
Would you tell atheists they have a responsibility to "spoil their prayers" too?
Lol, no atheist prayers = willing for luck.
legendary
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June 22, 2013, 09:55:53 AM
#27
You always have a responsibility to vote! Even here in Canada prominent community leaders take your attitude and it is sad.

Not voting is called voter apathy and says I'm happy with the status quo. You have a responsibility to spoil your vote.
Would you tell atheists they have a responsibility to "spoil their prayers" too?
legendary
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June 22, 2013, 09:44:39 AM
#26
I agree that these guys don't have a shot in hell.  That's why I've abstained from the last few elections.


You always have a responsibility to vote! Even here in Canada prominent community leaders take your attitude and it is sad.

Not voting is called voter apathy and says I'm happy with the status quo. You have a responsibility to spoil your vote.

In apartheid South Africa where the election districts were rigged whites were told by the passive liberal educators to spoil there vote as a form of protest. It wasn't untilled the apartheid government had overwhelming spoil voters did they hold a referendum, to compromise on principles and negotiate with terrorists. 
legendary
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June 22, 2013, 08:45:05 AM
#25
Capitalism has been the driving mechanism for human society, progress and prosperity in modern history. It is this driving engine that is now about to fail completely.

Capitalism, as in free trade and voluntary interaction, is not going to fail. Much of the establishment of corporatist inefficiency will be in turmoil and the collateral damage for everyone may be severe, but eventually the natural order will recover better and stronger than before.

Bitcoin may well be an integral part of that recovery process, but the Internet most definitely will. For whether Bitcoin plays a big role it's all a question of timing. And timing-wise we are in an odd position: every estimate of when the collapse will happen has been premature, yet when it actually does happen it will surprise in the opposite direction - earlier than we expect. That is, we are always expecting a collapse within 1-2 years, but 10 years later still nothing. Yet when the collapse finally does happen, it will blindside us because we'll still be expecting it not to happen for another 1-2 years, or maybe even 3-6 months, but not on a dime.

Well, I've been expecting it within the next couple years for a decade already, and recent events make me wonder if we have more than a couple months.  But again, we never know in advance what the 'last straw' will be.  For the Brazilians, it was a 10 cent bus fare hike; for the founders of the United States, it was a 3 pence per pound tax on tea.  When a society is being attacked with a thousand cuts, it's hard to tell when you hit that last one.
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June 22, 2013, 07:44:14 AM
#24
Capitalism has been the driving mechanism for human society, progress and prosperity in modern history. It is this driving engine that is now about to fail completely.

Capitalism, as in free trade and voluntary interaction, is not going to fail. Much of the establishment of corporatist inefficiency will be in turmoil and the collateral damage for everyone may be severe, but eventually the natural order will recover better and stronger than before.

Bitcoin may well be an integral part of that recovery process, but the Internet most definitely will. For whether Bitcoin plays a big role it's all a question of timing. And timing-wise we are in an odd position: every estimate of when the collapse will happen has been premature, yet when it actually does happen it will surprise in the opposite direction - earlier than we expect. That is, we are always expecting a collapse within 1-2 years, but 10 years later still nothing. Yet when the collapse finally does happen, it will blindside us because we'll still be expecting it not to happen for another 1-2 years, or maybe even 3-6 months, but not on a dime.
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https://youtu.be/DsAVx0u9Cw4 ... Dr. WHO < KLF
June 22, 2013, 07:39:30 AM
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June 22, 2013, 07:32:01 AM
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Agreed, but although one of them got my vote last election (I'll let you guess which one) they didn't have a shot in hell of winning.  90% of people probably went to the polls as said "who the fuck are these guys?".  Unfortunately, in America if you aren't Democrat or Republican you are a fringe nut job and the media will paint you as such at every opportunity.

I agree that these guys don't have a shot in hell.  That's why I've abstained from the last few elections.

The OP is claiming that "we" have done nothing to deserve what's headed "our" way.  While you and I can have a clear conscience when the SHTF, those who vote for large, unsustainable government--and the large, unsustainable debt that comes along with it--will not be able to claim that they had nothing to do with it.  In fact, they will be completely responsible for it.

legendary
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June 22, 2013, 01:48:21 AM
#21
Yeap what calender are you using?  If according to Mayan, we were gone in May

Just because the long count resets to 0 doesn't mean time ends.
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June 22, 2013, 01:45:11 AM
#20
Yeap what calender are you using?  If according to Mayan, we were gone in May
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June 22, 2013, 01:44:10 AM
#19
Like who?  Mitt Romney, John McCain, or maybe you mean Al Gore?  Or was George Bush the right answer in that one and the US managed to get one right?

Ron Paul, Gary Johnson, Michael Badnarik, Harry Browne....

Agreed, but although one of them got my vote last election (I'll let you guess which one) they didn't have a shot in hell of winning.  90% of people probably went to the polls as said "who the fuck are these guys?".  Unfortunately, in America if you aren't Democrat or Republican you are a fringe nut job and the media will paint you as such at every opportunity.
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June 22, 2013, 01:33:55 AM
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Like who?  Mitt Romney, John McCain, or maybe you mean Al Gore?  Or was George Bush the right answer in that one and the US managed to get one right?

Ron Paul, Gary Johnson, Michael Badnarik, Harry Browne....
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June 21, 2013, 11:47:36 PM
#17
It does not matter who you elect, always will end up like this, maybe some entropy related phenomenon

There have been viable options in the USA for quite some time now.  The voters just keep ignoring these options and instead insist on electing politicians that want to create a collectivist/socialist/nanny state that provides for their every need, funded with colossal debt and currency debasement.

Like who?  Mitt Romney, John McCain, or maybe you mean Al Gore?  Or was George Bush the right answer in that one and the US managed to get one right?
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June 21, 2013, 07:54:28 PM
#16
It does not matter who you elect, always will end up like this, maybe some entropy related phenomenon

There have been viable options in the USA for quite some time now.  The voters just keep ignoring these options and instead insist on electing politicians that want to create a collectivist/socialist/nanny state that provides for their every need, funded with colossal debt and currency debasement.
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