Topic: The end is near - page 6. (Read 17362 times)

^^ i thought we were all kind, stupid, lying friends here?

Son of a *****! You mean to tell me.. there is a chance that there is a priest amongst us?


That changes everything! we must find him immediately! He knows secrets about the end!


Decepticons roll out!

You need to be aware of the people around you. Assassins can be kind, stupid can appear smart, honest can appear to be lying and friends could be foes. It is always an mistake to assume you know the people around you without ever having questioned them. But honestly when you open up with "perhaps I am preaching to the choir" you set yourself up for a rude awakening.

We are a bunch of frustrated people that are upset that it didn't happen yet.
We need to let out steam somewhere.

Wow.. I kind've wish this thread would disappear.

Although I still feel very bad about the economy

Memo to avoid creating any similar threads

I would just post this for any similar Austrian economists, who haven't already heard it before. Or anybody who's just reading this from top to bottom. It gives you something to think about.

The owner of a ship noticed that his ship was filling with water. Being an educated man (if not nautically trained) he knew there were many possible causes for water in a ship: leaks in the hull, the bilge pump being broken, waves washing over, condensation, and even the crew urinating in the hold. He heard the bilge pump running, he saw water from waves pouring in the open hatches, but worst of all he smelled urine in the hold! Being sensible, he ordered the crew to shut the hatches and then gave them a lengthy, stern harangue on hygienic use of the head. While he was lecturing the crew, his ship sank due to a combination of causes: large, unobserved leaks in the hull, a bilge pump that was running but not pumping correctly, and condensation that had shorted out warning circuitry.

http://critiquesoflibertarianism.blogspot.co.uk/2009/05/parable-of-ship-why-austrian-economics.html

Personally I reject this in the current economic situation..... but, things may just be more complicated than we all realize.

The end is coming in slow motion. It will be death by a million cuts.. not a big bang!

Hence the reason people have been talking about it for decades..


Its a game of musical chairs except only a few can hear the music!


 

The captain said excuse me ma'am
This species has amused itself to death
Amused itself to death
Amused itself to death
We watched the tragedy unfold
We did as we were told
We bought and sold
It was the greatest show on earth
But then it was over
We ohhed and aahed
We drove our racing cars
We ate our last few jars of caviar
And somewhere out there in the stars
A keen-eyed look-out
Spied a flickering light
Our last hurrah
And when they found our shadows
Grouped 'round the TV sets
They ran down every lead
They repeated every test
They checked out all the data on their lists
And then the alien anthropologists
Admitted they were still perplexed
But on eliminating every other reason
For our sad demise
They logged the only explanation left
This species has amused itself to death
No tears to cry
No feelings left
This species has
Amused itself to death

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsspXqCe4kI

Something is uneccesarily uttered twice on the Internet. Run for the hills!

Before you jump to conclusions consider the prosperity we enjoy today is a result of the free market functioning despite collective political control (it is failing because of it)  

Human and all animals seek pleasure and to avoid pain. Innovation in technology and forms of government are a natural expression of evolutionary history. When there is lack of supply of whatever humans need suffering ensues, the low road is to use brute force to ensure you get, at the expense of others (collectivism is an extension of this principal). The high road is to find a replacement or or to innovate and create a better solution) market forces, price expression as a result of supply and demand is one such meme. Failing to abide by the meme doesn't need collectivism to enforce it, abuse is self extinguished (the goose that laid the golden egg)

Rain forest tribes - for a better metaphor, still live in Eden. They have a well developed system to manage need, they enjoy the full complete of human emotion suffer less depression and expense happens despite our judgments. The problem is they haven't evolved the tools necessary to interact with the barbarous western values.

Those tribes that evolved in close proximity like our ancestors evolved to be a new meme species, and we are on the precipice of revolving again.

- Yeah baby - there is no light without a darkness.

I wrote nothing about isolationism. I wrote: An 'individualist' life is possible within a collectivist, materialist society only. Beyond the collectivist society, within the stateless community, there is no individualism.

Self-sufficient rainforest tribes are not advancing and producing surpluses within 1 million years, because they are not forced to produce surpluses (for the church and state mafia). To be forced is the only evident causal reason to produce surpluses. No state = no economy, no business.

I'm impressed!


Designed!


Yes, I know: to collectivised Engineers the odds seem incredible. That the pools are still hanging around high above the ground must seem incredible to them as well.


Lesson learned? Hihiiiii! The nuclear industry is nothing private. It was military driven from the beginning. No private insurance company would ever insure this madness.



They learned nothing. In France, 80 % of the electric power comes from nuclear reactors. A black out of the hyper-fragile power grid (sun storm, revolution etc.) will be followed by armageddon. Nobody will cool the reactors and the fuel pools anymore, since the reactors need the power of each other to cool them, and in a revolution (question of when, but not of if) never ever.
Therefore, your heroic collectivist dreams rely on the functionality of the globalized hypercollective. I knew it: your are a collectivist hero by heart and soul.


Oh, a one in ten thousand odds event! 10'000 divided by 500 reactors worldwide =  a one in 20 event. Therefore, we are enjoying such events every 20 years. Yeah, Chernobyl and now some 20 years later Fukushima, and between the 2 events some almost-disasters. I'm impressed by the incredible intelligence of these engineers.


Regulatory agencies...., really funny.


Yes, planning is easy, but surviving is impossible with such planners. In a revolution, it is crystal clear that nobody will be able to maintain these 500 reactors worldwide anymore.



And not one of the great sun eruptions at another time, which will destroy the communications systems, the transformers and the grid systems, and nobody will be able to restart it.



If and if and if and if ....


Now they are still waiting in hanging pools high above the ground in a building, which won't survive the next earthquake.


Incredible, these one in 20 years events.


And they all lived happily ever after ...

Oh it's one of these threads again. I swear people just copy and paste text from the last topic which was talking about this thing. This was send a year ago. We were predicted to fall at 2012, 2011. Oh and predicted to fall in 2013. The fact is, yes we will most likely fall. Doesn't mean it's going to be soon.

They'll just nationalize the banks and then run them into the ground.

You obviously don't have an accurate understanding as to what actually went wrong with that reactor in Japan.  That reactor was designed with a multiplely redundant emergency cooling system.  It was specificly designed to suffer an earthquake of a power of 9.0 on the Riecther scale within 20 miles or so of the epicenter.  It was desgned to suffer through a tsunami.  It was designed to suffer though a complete failure of grid power support, as well as total failure of all of the AC water pumps.  What was never considered was the incredible odds that all of these things would happen in the same day.  It was a harsh lesson learned, and many heroic engineers and techs working for a private company lost some or all of their remaining lifespans in concerted efforts to save public lives.  It sucks to be that tech, when that crap happens at your plant; but just like joining the military, they knew what they signed up for.  If you don't thik that there are equally heroic corporate employees of every other nuclear powerhouse in the world, then you don't really understand why these men and woman get paid the salaries that they do.  But know that the nuclear industry knows that such a one in ten thousand odds event can happen, they are already reconsidering their own emergency cooling plans because reglatory agencies require them to and because they don't ever want to be the next set of guys to have to die to save humanity.  For that matter, the complete breakdown of civil society is one of the most common emergency scenarios that nuke plant disaster planners have long considered, and one of the easiest for them to plan for.  It's way harder to plan for a 35 foot high tsunami wave.   Fukushima power plant had diesel powered pumps that could run underwater, and generators that could survive an earthquake; but not both at the same time.  And furthermore, none of those failues would have mattered at all, had  Fukushima  not been involved in their once in a three year refueling cycle when the bovine fecal matter made contact with the rotating cooling device.  The other reactors were all automaticly in emergency shutdown stage 60 seconds after the earthquake was detected, and never caused any problems; but that one (number 4, IIRC) was not set for automatic shutdown due to being involved in a fuel rod exchange that very week.  Fresh, hot fuel rods were waiting in the storage pool, while engineers and tech were running all over a damaged and dangerous reactor trying to get the emergency neutron sheild down into the remaining core, and everyone managed to forget about the storage pool.  The water in the storage pool evaporated enough that the tops of the fuel rods were exposed to air, and then they caught on fire due to their own internal heat.  It was not really a 'mealtdown' in any practical sense, but radioactive smoke is no small thing.  To the best of my knowledge, Fukushima could still be in operation today, if the populist government had not halted all nuclear power in the nation, as teh damage to the reactor itself was not really significant.  Nothing like Chernobel for example, or even Three Mile Island (which didn't actually release any radiation BTW, but did damage the reactor)

You must not have been much of an Austrian if you didn't even grasp the basic point that individualism has nothing to do with isolationism. Also, it's a simple correlation-causation fallacy to claim that rainforest tribes are not advancing because they are anarchistic.

Do you know why Fukushima "blew"? Just asking because it was quite a silly string of bad coincidences stringed together. A one in a billion type of thing. There is no reason for any other modern nuclear powerplant to end up in the same way and given any other day of the week Fukushima itself would probably have been shut down harmlessly.

One more correction: The voters are ruled by the media. Media is controlled by the government. It's an Aeneus cycle (since I figured you like greek words...). That doesn't give the people the "free of charge" card - we also have a lot on our side to blame. But surely it's not a tumor symbiosis relation. I'd propose a model of viral infection with the exelixis being a DNA/RNA mixture where the viral body (rulers) infects the cell (voters) and stores future previral bodies.

Again, one who governs the world has nothing to gain from the lytic cycle. He has to infect and ensure his future is there inside the cell. On the other hand, you may be right of a possible terminal solution where the cell cannot handle the viral infection and fires up the lytic procedure... I just have to hope we'll be around to see it, one way, or another...

Cheers for your thoughts.

I think these are hybris fantasies. Society will collapse before leaving the Earth.
And I think, not only the rulers (who controle the money flow) are collectivised.
The voters in total are also ruling the collectivist society. There is a symbiosis between the rulers and the conquered.
It's like a tumor. It proliferates until the host dies.

I tend to agree to most of the part (and your pretty pesimistic point of view) but have to take a stand against you on the "engineers" part. The only colectivised in this world is the people who control the money flow. Engineers (and scientists in general) just produce. I really wanted to say this from the beginning; the question that tinkers my mind all this time is "what can we do to keep the progress going?"

The answer came some time ago; I believe it was Alvin Toffler who stated it first:
We need to expand our society to a hyper society. First we need to make a colony to another planet. Then to all the planets of our solar system. A hyper society will come forth when we will have the technology to control our star's energy.

You see; seing black is like observing the mud of a car which runs through a wet field. Yes; there is mud that leaves behind; but also there's a road ahead...

Just my 0.00000002BTC

Yes, and the collectivised, civilised dreamers in the society still believe that 'engineers' - collectivised within a globalised hypercollective - will solve collectively those problems which they generate!
The problem of collectivised humans (society instead of self-sufficient communities) was never solved by even more debt and more complexity. That's an ahistoric, ridiculous vision, but it is the vision of the mainstream. Tainter's law prove(d) them wrong. Tainter's and Nature's law is at work and 'problem solving societies' disappear by an abrupt loss of complexity. The higher they climb, the deeper they fall.