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TODAY CAPITALISM IS THE MOST VIOLENT FORM OF LIFE IN ALL GALAXIES. if you can' t get why, I don't care. Cronyism is a form of genocide, in love their is no genocide.
You may enjoy a new book called Capitalism: A Structural Genocide. I just started reading it so I can't write a review, but there's a pretty good one here:

http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/16887-the-structural-genocide-that-is-capitalism#
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capitalism could not exist without systemic violence

The opposite is true - capitalism is the only kind of economy that can exist without systemic violence.

Communism and socialism require government control backed by government violence.  Under anarchy, or the absence of any government, the only possible economy would be a free market. 

Since you argue against our freedom to keep the results of our own production, you are in favor of someone using violence to take it from us.


TODAY CAPITALISM IS THE MOST VIOLENT FORM OF LIFE IN ALL GALAXIES. if you can' t get why, I don't care. Cronyism is a form of genocide, in love their is no genocide. their is no love, enjoy TW. ie total warfare, in full spectrum not definied by piker of the usmiic, but by Life it self. all segment, all spheres, nothing but pain, enjoy what you wanted to do to "like me" Cheesy. I rejoice, not because of a success assured, but because you have no hope., first. the hope then it's easy to make it long (hell). you played, you pay... and who ever comes next, sorry I didn't force you, you wouldn't want that for yours... so why for me? I get it, I am not from yours... perfect I didn't want it, what ever you had is nothing compared to what the first saw... I don't even speak of Who made... beyond you. no sorry no m. ahaah. (no laugh but tears, but as it must be so, let be it).
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Then maybe we could be lucky enough to have some examples where people got rid of capitalism, the nation-state, and religion.  Any examples come to mind?  Ringing any bells?  Can you think of a time where people overthrew their government and established a society free of religion and capitalism?  
"It never happened in the past, therefore it can never happen in the future"

Your logic is dangerously shallow. Your arguments suck capitalist balls, homeslice. It was only 150 years ago that privileged fuckwits were using similar arguments to defend slavery.
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Remember that capitalism was born around four hundred years ago, a time when violence was much more normal and acceptable than it is today.


Wow, from what you're saying apparently capitalism has drastically decreased the violence in the world.  Thanks for sharing what capitalism means to you.
Reason and ethics have compelled our civilization to beome less violent in spite of capitalism, the nation-state, and religion. Not because of them.

Then maybe we could be lucky enough to have some examples where people got rid of capitalism, the nation-state, and religion.  Any examples come to mind?  Ringing any bells?  Can you think of a time where people overthrew their government and established a society free of religion and capitalism? 

North Korea, the USSR, Cuba, China?  Did any of those experience a decrease in violence when they eliminated your main culprits? 
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capitalism could not exist without systemic violence

The opposite is true - capitalism is the only kind of economy that can exist without systemic violence.

Communism and socialism require government control backed by government violence.  Under anarchy, or the absence of any government, the only possible economy would be a free market. 

Since you argue against our freedom to keep the results of our own production, you are in favor of someone using violence to take it from us.
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Remember that capitalism was born around four hundred years ago, a time when violence was much more normal and acceptable than it is today.


Wow, from what you're saying apparently capitalism has drastically decreased the violence in the world.  Thanks for sharing what capitalism means to you.
Reason and ethics have compelled our civilization to beome less violent in spite of capitalism, the nation-state, and religion. Not because of them.
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Remember that capitalism was born around four hundred years ago, a time when violence was much more normal and acceptable than it is today.


Wow, from what you're saying apparently capitalism has drastically decreased the violence in the world.  Thanks for sharing what capitalism means to you.

who cares most monkey don't have the intellectual output ot understand usury (even if in negative rates for now...).
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Remember that capitalism was born around four hundred years ago, a time when violence was much more normal and acceptable than it is today.


Wow, from what you're saying apparently capitalism has drastically decreased the violence in the world.  Thanks for sharing what capitalism means to you.
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yes I love it, bitcoin, tor, Linux, p2p, games, music, images, knowledge... all good... only fucking masson would dream to create corporation that would make knowledge a privilege and not a gift, to exploit those unknowing (and if it ain't the "neo masson" who cares, those privatizing knowledge and science are doomed, because of the law of war, long life bf).
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If you take without permission, you initiate force against that person, and the initiation of force is morally wrong. A system to prevent or allow for punishment of people who would take through force is appropriate.

I think you need to "reverse" your statement. If someone doesn't want anyone to copy their work then simply don't publish it.

No two countries are ever going to have the "same laws" in regards to any "intellectual property" therefore it simply doesn't work in the modern world (for example the US seems to now extend copyright *forever* whereas most other countries limit it).




http://creativecommons.org/


What is your take on it?







I guess no one here has ever heard of creative commons?


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I don't buy either of your premises. Capitalism at its core is voluntary exchange; an entirely voluntary system in which the initiation of violence harms all.
I see you are a true believer in the mythical sort of capitalism that has only ever existed in your imagination. The violence-free capitalist utopia. I read a lot about this capitalism on internet forums, yet strangely I have never read an account of it existing in history.

Remember that capitalism was born around four hundred years ago, a time when violence was much more normal and acceptable than it is today. Capitalism makes much more sense in 1700 than it does in 2015, because violence is becoming less and less legitimate.
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I support capitalism, but it seems you don't.
Of course I don't, I loathe violence and capitalism could not exist without systemic violence.

It seems to me you're conflating voluntary employment with forced employment.
There is nothing voluntary about employment so long as non-employment means starvation and homelessness for the vast majority of workers.

If everyone started out on equal financial footing at birth, you might have an argument. Since we don't, and since only the privileged few can afford to start their own business (repeatedly as needed since 8 out of 10 fail), your argument has no merit.

I don't buy either of your premises. Capitalism at its core is voluntary exchange; an entirely voluntary system in which the initiation of violence harms all. Crony capitalism, in which special interests pay for the use of force by the government to enact their will, is neither voluntary nor capitalism. The fact that you see so much crony capitalism is not proof of failure of a voluntary system, it's evidence the government shouldn't be granted the power to interject in the market place to create winners and losers.

Non-employment doesn't mean starvation and homelessness. Non-productivity, on the other hand, does. You can be unemployed and productive, in which you create things the market desires, and are compensated accordingly (keeping the whole fruits of your labor). But your inability to make a living on your own is evidence of you not producing anything the market desires. That's no one else's fault or burden, best to sell your labor at that point to someone who can produce something of value with it where you can't. I don't know what your particular problem is, but I can start a business with ease, it's neither expensive or difficult. I just have nothing to create the market would desire, so I'm better off selling my labor to someone who can use it to create something of value. No one forces you to work, but no one owes you anything either when you don't.

if you play monopoly with friends and some of your friends get money from the bank (FOR FREE, LIKE IN CHEATING), do you continue to play? if yes you are an idiot. accept it, it doesn't mean you can't love right. hf.
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I support capitalism, but it seems you don't.
Of course I don't, I loathe violence and capitalism could not exist without systemic violence.

It seems to me you're conflating voluntary employment with forced employment.
There is nothing voluntary about employment so long as non-employment means starvation and homelessness for the vast majority of workers.

If everyone started out on equal financial footing at birth, you might have an argument. Since we don't, and since only the privileged few can afford to start their own business (repeatedly as needed since 8 out of 10 fail), your argument has no merit.

I don't buy either of your premises. Capitalism at its core is voluntary exchange; an entirely voluntary system in which the initiation of violence harms all. Crony capitalism, in which special interests pay for the use of force by the government to enact their will, is neither voluntary nor capitalism. The fact that you see so much crony capitalism is not proof of failure of a voluntary system, it's evidence the government shouldn't be granted the power to interject in the market place to create winners and losers.

Non-employment doesn't mean starvation and homelessness. Non-productivity, on the other hand, does. You can be unemployed and productive, in which you create things the market desires, and are compensated accordingly (keeping the whole fruits of your labor). But your inability to make a living on your own is evidence of you not producing anything the market desires. That's no one else's fault or burden, best to sell your labor at that point to someone who can produce something of value with it where you can't. I don't know what your particular problem is, but I can start a business with ease, it's neither expensive or difficult. I just have nothing to create the market would desire, so I'm better off selling my labor to someone who can use it to create something of value. No one forces you to work, but no one owes you anything either when you don't.
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as long as the ctrl+p rules the day, there is no fair competition in financial endeavors. Fair competition is better, fair by natural, meaning the best to fit reality wins it (like in real warfare). if love and financial warfare are impossible waht's left? remember kids, it's only other kid that can tolerate a cheating banker at monopoly... try to cheat a game of monopoly before Julius gaius ceasar.... goodddd llluuuckkk with the lions/crocodiles/what ever... you deserve it... like cheating in poker in the old whole wild west... feather and glue, and ride my donkey.
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https://youtu.be/PZm8TTLR2NU
I support capitalism, but it seems you don't.
Of course I don't, I loathe violence and capitalism could not exist without systemic violence, not even for a single day.

It seems to me you're conflating voluntary employment with forced employment.
There is nothing voluntary about employment so long as non-employment means starvation and homelessness for the vast majority of workers.

If everyone started out on equal financial footing at birth, you might have an argument. Since we don't, and since only the privileged few can afford to start their own business (repeatedly as needed since 8 out of 10 fail), your argument has no merit.
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I care about property rights. I won't support a system that doesn't allow people to keep the fruits of their labor or won't protect their work as their property. It's up to the individual to decide whether he wants to forfeit his property rights, not the rest of society to force him to give his work away because you don't want to pay for his book. If you take without permission, you initiate force against that person, and the initiation of force is morally wrong. A system to prevent or allow for punishment of people who would take through force is appropriate.

a big up to all the forums leeches.



I don't understand what you mean, can you explain what that means in relation to what you quoted?

all of it. example: did you ever see a studies from a "reputable" academic institution quote the forums where they found the core of their theory. me never, they called that trash talk, why? they can't control it, so it must be downplayed.
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I care about property rights. I won't support a system that doesn't allow people to keep the fruits of their labor or won't protect their work as their property. It's up to the individual to decide whether he wants to forfeit his property rights, not the rest of society to force him to give his work away because you don't want to pay for his book. If you take without permission, you initiate force against that person, and the initiation of force is morally wrong. A system to prevent or allow for punishment of people who would take through force is appropriate.

a big up to all the forums leeches.



I don't understand what you mean, can you explain what that means in relation to what you quoted?
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"PLEASE SCULPT YOUR SHIT BEFORE THROWING. Thank U"
I care about property rights. I won't support a system that doesn't allow people to keep the fruits of their labor or won't protect their work as their property. It's up to the individual to decide whether he wants to forfeit his property rights, not the rest of society to force him to give his work away because you don't want to pay for his book. If you take without permission, you initiate force against that person, and the initiation of force is morally wrong. A system to prevent or allow for punishment of people who would take through force is appropriate.

a big up to all the forums leeches.

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If you take without permission, you initiate force against that person, and the initiation of force is morally wrong. A system to prevent or allow for punishment of people who would take through force is appropriate.

I think you need to "reverse" your statement. If someone doesn't want anyone to copy their work then simply don't publish it.

No two countries are ever going to have the "same laws" in regards to any "intellectual property" therefore it simply doesn't work in the modern world (for example the US seems to now extend copyright *forever* whereas most other countries limit it).




http://creativecommons.org/


What is your take on it?



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Either you own the fruit of your labor or you don't. Your copyright-less system does not recognize the product of your work as your property. That's not a just system.

But this "non-system" has been working in countries such as China for many, many years.

Maybe time to "re-think" your idea of the system?


China, a bastion of freedom and liberty... and home to the largest black market on the planet. That's right, people claiming ownership of stolen copyrighted work for the purpose of selling that work. Not to mention a horrendous track record on tangible and real property rights. Somehow, I don't think it works nearly as well as you believe it does. I'll stick with my predictable ability to enforce my property rights, thanks.
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