Topic: The fight over electric car batteries - page 3. (Read 779 times)

My point is that we install a simple power generator a dynamo that utilizes rotating car wheels, such as hydro and wind power plants that use an AC magnetic generator. such a generator requires no other source of power except the movement of the wheels, and is relatively small in size so it does not take up much space.
so I don't mean a generator that requires power (fossil fuel/electricity) but a simple magnetic generator that only requires motion power to get electricity.
Yes, even so, I haven't tested it yet due to the limited facilities to do it, which maybe if it's been tested we can simplify it so that it's more effective for electric vehicles so it doesn't consume a lot of electricity.

Some of them are legit concerns and not only they are just concerns but they are not addressed or even tried to be fixed neither. Like yeah it's expensive but instead of paying a lot for gas, you get near free electricity from solar if you have it, so just have solar panels at the top of your house and use your car to go somewhere and then when get home you charge it for free, simple solution and the difference is small enough to pass if you use the same car for a few years.

It is not at all and that is not even looked at right now, hence an issue I am sure will not be fixed anytime soon. There are issues we need to try to solve, even if we do not have solutions now, we should at least look for one instead of ignoring it.

The ID.4 is not the equivalent of the Golf as it's larger than both the Golf Variant and Tiguan, the Arteon is not luxury but a simple Passat CC, with 400k registered Porsche cars in Germany and with 16% of the sales going into the luxury and premium Sedan and SUV sales I think there are enough buyers, there is a 4k bonus for over 40k and 9k for under, even at the consumer rates for kwh so no charging stations, electric versus gas still getting 8k before 100k km at current rates for both petrol and electricity in Germany for the models mentioned. Did I get them all?

So for cheap and used cars yes, gasoline is way cheaper, for a mid-size the cost will be recovered somewhere between 100k and 150k km and for luxury it starts making less sense in terms of $.


Well, right now you're the one defending the regular mail and thinking email won't catch on.


All AMG hybrids have 4 start-up modes, you can safely drive with full electric in electric or start with comfort mode, but if you want the performance of course for god sake you need to turn the ICE on, it's a hybrid, it has a Biturbo V8 600hp+ engine, how can you get performance with the auxiliary in a hybrid?

It is very strange but I don't remember africans mentioning themselves being on the losing end of trade agreements, until italy's prime minister Giorgia Meloni began openly acknowledging it.

High cost of fossil fuels, should translate to elevated shipping and transportation costs. Which incentivizes everyone to manufacture and produce locally, as shipping and transport costs become untenable. Its a decline of globalization and global markets, which should naturally be expected.

Many of africa's industries revolve around human labor mining, shipbreaking, strip mining and markets which rely upon low labor and low fossil fuel prices to carry exports. Removing low fossil fuel prices could result in decreased demand for exports, which could have castastrophic results. Although of course, this doesn't necessarily have to be the case. Markets could naturally shift and restructure to fill the gap. Although it could take time.

It's interesting to see how they have structured the subsidy and from the sounds of it few current car manufacturers would meet the requirements for the cashback. You can see that the US government have gotten tired of all the outsourcing and do not want to let other countries get a lead in this area any more, we can see China which used to be a relatively low level producer of goods has jumped into fairly high level manufacturing now. It makes sense that America would try to protect or even encourage certain industries because China is also getting an advantage from suppressing it's currency and using it's huge workforce to get cheaper production costs - if they weren't a communist country it would be less of a problem.

Batteries right now is a necessity owing to the fact energy consumption has risen and with a battery or two, one can more than be comfortable. It is not a wonder why these electric car batteries is still being developed /improved upon. It is so to more than compensate on delivering efficiency in all its facet, to its users.
The future promises strong competition among its manufacturers mostly now wherein electric cars is becoming rather popular and in use.

These tax incentives do nothing to solve the purported "existential crisis" of climate change. They only produce more debt burdens on the U.S. and won't have even a micro effect on global temperatures. And you'll notice that these folks never seem to discuss what the carbon footprint of creating an EV is -- they seem to only care that gasoline engines are out of the equation. As if EV batteries grow on trees...

That's an interesting opinion, but from what I have learned in school, that's not efficient, at least with the current technologies. Normally, you have one motor to move your car. But since you need a generator to convert kinetic energy into potential energy, you have to install additional motor. Then, using two motors will consume more energy from your battery and the goal to get more efficient battery can't be achieved.

I'm not sure it's a good comparison right now we have tight over fossil energy because most devices and vehicles are using fossil energy while we all know in the future most of these devices and vehicles will use electric energy instead of fossil energies which can change the demand in the future so it's not surprising to see a fight over electric devices and especially car batteries in future in this time I guess many famous companies will fight to take the lead in the market.

Most people don't spend 100k EUR on a car. 99% of users will want something cheaper, and cheap doesn't go with electric. For instance, one of the most popular cars in Europe VW Golf starts at 30k EUR, but it's electric crossover version, the ID.4 starts at 46k.

To give you a perspective, you're spending so much money to upgrade your Golf to silent running, that for the same money you could get a new Arteon, their most luxurious model, but with a traditional engine.
Is it worth going electric? Not yet, not at these prices.



These are their predictions.

Remember how similar people were saying that Bitcoin would die and go to 0 back in 2013? The same people were predicting the Internet would never be big and people wouldn't need to have computers at home.

I'm far from believing them and these predictions about 50% new cars sold being electric cars are made only because most companies claim they will stop producing combustion engines by 2040 so you won't be able to buy a new car that burns fuel anymore.

People don't want this to happen though because in simplest terms electric cars suck.
Have you heard of those new Mercedes cars? Their new hybrid 63S doesn't allow you to start in electric mode, you first have to start the combustion engine and then switch to electric and its battery allows you to drive for less than 10km before you run out of power. It's a joke. Then they made fully electric cars where you have to pay a subscription to unlock full power. Without paying thousands of dollars each month you don't have access to the whole package. Is this what the electric progress brings us? Is that the future of the industry? If yes then it sucks for us - slaves.

Even without new policies or regulations, electric vehicle sales will account for half of private passenger car sales globally in 2035.
The electrification of personal transportation vehicles is accelerating in ways that even the most ardent proponents of the trend could not have dreamed of just a few years ago. In many countries, governors intended to accelerate this change. And I think the US government has taken proactive measures in this regard.
This is not limited to the US government or just because of the high demand. In addition to technical problems, there is a strategic war against other countries that monopolize these industries. American and European start-up companies specialized in developing new batteries for electric cars are engaged in a fierce war using two abundant and cheap materials, sodium and sulfur, which may help them limit China's dominance in this market and mitigate an expected crisis in the near future.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_lithium_production

Zimbabwe's lithium production is the sixth larger in the world and has been decreasing since 2019. They have a lot of influence, but I think they aren't a game changer on this market. Australia, Chile and China productions are much more expressive and decisive here if they want to introduce protective measures.

Australia is the key point here and last year they supplied half the world's lithium volume. If USA is going to adopt hostile economical measures against their allies on this matter, I guess they could wait for retaliation from an allied nation like Australia who will be the main prejudiced one here.

I think electric cars will move farther if they use an electric generator to charge the battery from motion energy.
such as electrical energy - motion energy, motion energy - electrical energy, and can rotate continuously. the position here must be two batteries to be used as a backup, but yes this must be tried first and be careful so that it is easier and automatic. So you can charge the battery while your car wheels are still rattling and your journey will be farther.

Indeed it becomes very problematic if we are far from refueling, especially if we are in the middle of a desert road, certainly not a good thing, because refueling for electric cars is not as easily accessible as other common refueling that many retailers have. in public.
Regarding the financing of making, electricity in a country, and its impact is the thing that gets the most attention, considering that the consumption of electricity and batteries is certainly far from what was imagined.

The problem with the electric cars is that they are causing a lot more trouble to world to produce than gas cars, and cover that difference back when you use it more. So when you buy one, because of the lithium mining that went into building the car, you just hurt the world a bit more than gas cars, but then you use electric instead of gas so you helped the nation, the more you use your electric car the more you help the world and eventually it becomes a climate profit instead of negative.

However, if you cold find recycling and so forth other options instead of mining it, then you will straight up just help the world and this is why this bill is so important.

I googled to know more about that and I found an article on https://motorandwheels.com/, it says;

I think the real issue is, the location of charging station for those electric cars, which the cost to build one is much higher and must have better security system than the gas station.

After the well-known Nigerian price, we had the Ugandan gold tycoon who discovered a gold mine with 100 times the concentration fo any gold mine and now we have the richest lithium mine in the Universe, that could produce

It depends a lot on the model, for the mini-cars definitely, if you go for the middle segment starts to dwindle as a Peugeot 2008 is 37k vs 26k, but for others like the luxury or large SUV the differences in percentage becomes rather insignificant or it becomes cheaper, the standard electric Q8 e-ton is 2000 euros lower than the gasoline basic.

 

The real problems of lithium batteries in cars have not been addressed here.

Here's my list

1.  Expensive compared to just about every other car.

2.  Shorter range then a conventional gas or diesel.

3.  Replacement (gas tank=battery) is harder and more expensive compared to conventional gas or diesel.

4.  Cold weather makes the range problem Much worse. (like die in your car worse if you haven't planned for that emergency)

5.  Simply Not convenient compared to gasoline or diesel filling.  (takes too much time)

6.  Unless the power source is hydro electric, solar or, nuclear its Not greener then hydrocarbons.  Since you are burning the hydrocarbons in a extra step or 5 instead of burning it directly.

7.  Use of the Heater option during cold weather will reduce range (refer to 4)

All in all to me theres nothing about the current electric cars other then(save the planet)(OMG auto pilot) that makes them attractive.

when new methods of "desalinating water"(the next "new industry") lithium will become more accessible from the brine left from desalination.
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yes there will be more small "city cars" where people are not buying large SUV's but instead small cars like a VW bug(fiat500/nissan leaf) size, but thats just a cost efficient and lack of availability of larger vehicles

however add in the delivery trucks and parcel delivery vans which are starting to come out now. it average out the same requirement

Sounds like Lithium would be similar to the case 'rare' earths are really just a big pain to consolidate and make usable not quite so rare as that.   Tanzania did something similar to Zimbabwe but with gold where they demand involvement in post process after mining, their argument with the worlds largest miner took years but with such profits available they can demand the exact conduct of business performed in their country.
   We are hearing lots of details but all of this adds up to one thing for me in that commodities will boom over the next decade and beyond, such is their vital part in the economy and demand far outweighs any currency standard or cost vs their elemental utility.


That might be twice what they need, depends on the market but a light small car could be a third of that size and usable in a city easily.   We will see refinement and improvements to EV standards.

Lithium, as the basis for batteries used in electric vehicles, will soon become a thing of the past.
Lithium, as a base for batteries, has several disadvantages.
1. This is the geography of deposits and production. In today's world, where resources become a "weapon" for economic terrorism - lithium, given its geography of deposits, is a very risky resource.
2. Production and processing technology is far from environmentally friendly
3. Today's capabilities of this technology will not satisfy the needs of the market.
4. New technologies on an industrial scale are on the way - supercapacitors, and batteries based on more accessible, simple and environmentally friendly materials.

Therefore, everyone understands who will have time to enter the market with a more technologically advanced and acceptable solution - "staking out for themselves", the huge "territories" of the global market for electric vehicles, behind which the future