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April 23, 2018, 06:34:49 AM
Like many of you, I hold a substantial number of Bitcoins. I am interested in seeing the value of those coins go up vs. the USD so that I can sell my coins for USD in future. For me, there's no other reason to have them.

I actually think that the more able members of our society have a duty to help the weaker members, so I don't have any weird libertarian fantasies. I'm just in it for the money. The actual, folding, bank account, Visa card money.

So how can we push the price of Bitcoin up so that we can sell our coins for more? As everyone knows, in order to increase prices we need to spike demand. So why would anyone want a Bitcoin?

When Silk Road became popular last year, everyone saw how it pushed up the price of Bitcoin. I haven't actually seen many people on this forum acknowledge the fact that Silk Road is driving the Bitcoin economy. There's simply not much else to buy with Bitcoins, and unless you are a currency speculator or a Bitcoin devotee there is no other reason to turn your government backed cash into Bitcoins.

I sold a lot of coins last summer, and I made over $100,000 clear profit from an initial $1000 investment, and that was from only about half of the coins I bought for that $1000. I still have the rest. I am sure a lot of you cashed out too, for even bigger profits.

I am sure that the increase in price that I profited so much from is down, mostly, to demand spurred on by Silk Road.

There is only one reason for a normal person to want a Bitcoin - to break rules, laws, and regulations. This is the future of Bitcoin, this is what will drive the price up, and I think this is what we should all be focusing on.

I'd be interested to hear people's thoughts and ideas about this. I think that gambling in the USA is an untapped market but there may be other laws that we can help people break with Bitcoin too.
I dis-agree with that oponion, the future of the bitcoin someday is legal it will become more safe and easy to use. the question should be is why the bitcoin is illegal if it only does is give profits to the person who is require.
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April 23, 2018, 01:59:59 AM
I am not agree with this opinion that the future of bitcoin is illegal i think bitcoin will use in a common way i the future and the future of this currency is good because many business transactions will takes place through this currency and the crypto money is also very important for us because we can invest in this the trading facility is also a good way to make profit.
newbie
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April 23, 2018, 01:42:20 AM
The future of Bitcoin is legal. It is safe & easy to carry in the whole world.
member
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April 23, 2018, 01:19:42 AM
Bitcoin's future is illegal.
the future we can not guess, whether bitcoin becomes illegal or not.
because at this time bitcoin still much in demand among the community and the community itself many feel the benefits of bitcoin itself.
jr. member
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April 23, 2018, 01:14:06 AM
I think it's not worth worrying about. Many processes do not depend on us. It is necessary to be able to wait. And we will see the real picture
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April 23, 2018, 01:08:06 AM
I think I should disagree with that the future of bitcoin is illegal because I can see with the current stand of bitcoin here in our country many more people are embracing the culture or process flow of bitcoin and using this in for good purposes. Also many more establishments here are studying on how they can use bitcoin or corporate bitcoin on their business. Maybe if you were thinking that bitcoins future is illegal you are currently using bitcoin in illegal. This is basic that you are thinking not so good here because you are already using this in your illegal doing. Well different people different ways to use bitcoin which I can say that not all people is not the bad side there are more people in the good side of usage of bitcoin.   
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April 22, 2018, 10:45:25 PM
The question is, why bitcoin is illegal ? is that because peoples can gained much profit with bitcoin like you ?
price of bitcoin is decide by the market. so it is not our fault that bitcoin price is high and we sell it.
I think bitcoin does not have to be illegal because bitcoin does not violate the rules and bitcoin is not on the criminal track. so if anyone says illegal bitcoin is not right
jr. member
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April 22, 2018, 10:24:49 PM
the future of bitcoin will not be elegant because I may be able to propagate it in the country and support it by the governments of every nation.
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April 22, 2018, 10:19:22 PM
The question is, why bitcoin is illegal ? is that because peoples can gained much profit with bitcoin like you ?
price of bitcoin is decide by the market. so it is not our fault that bitcoin price is high and we sell it.
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April 22, 2018, 05:33:21 PM
yes bitcoin future will be great and illegal and i think both have great future but the main thing is profitability as a investor you have to think how to get maximum profits and when you are watching according to profit then i Crypto Market has great future,

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December 02, 2012, 05:28:42 PM
It's not the illegal thing with me as the fact that when I want to send someone a Bitcoin there is no one who jump up and say 'you cant do that' and no one I have to go to, hat in hand, for permission that might not be granted for, you know, reasons.

I think it's the 'permission' thing that motivates me.

sr. member
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October 16, 2012, 06:32:19 PM
...the simple fact that it removes all risk on my part as a vendor. Once the payment is confirmed I have that coin.

I don't think that's entirely true.  If you're a vendor on SR or BMR aren't there escrow mechanisms to prevent a "take the money and run"?

I was speaking about direct sales... aka for legitimate and legal good (most likely done through automated checkout on company website).

legendary
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October 16, 2012, 05:09:14 AM
...the simple fact that it removes all risk on my part as a vendor. Once the payment is confirmed I have that coin.

I don't think that's entirely true.  If you're a vendor on SR or BMR aren't there escrow mechanisms to prevent a "take the money and run"?
sr. member
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October 15, 2012, 09:26:02 PM
I think the 'increase in price' is a problem. Personally, if I were to start taking payment with an existing business I'd be offering discounts for btc for the simple fact that it removes all risk on my part as a vendor. Once the payment is confirmed I have that coin. I'd also most likely be converting it instantly into fiat except for some small percentage (equal to the fixed costs I'm already paying for to operate my business on a day to day basis). In this way I would build up my name brand while still making more money. Bitcoin reduces overhead in most payment situations, and I'd want to pass some of that saving onto my customers.

If you're attempting to increase your prices because you don't trust bitcoin (or just out of greed) then I'm not at all surprised that you aren't selling.
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October 15, 2012, 08:33:16 PM
Because Bitcoin is like cash and kinda anonymous, it's up to real people to decide to engage in real transactions using as much of an accountable and real identity as they'd like.  It's tough to have anonymity and accountability at the same time and we have plenty of non-accountable scams to show for it.  It will take some time for people to figure out a good way to do Bitcoin business without being so open to fraud and (hopefully) not having to completely identify themselves...
legendary
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October 15, 2012, 05:36:21 PM
And what if the value of bitcoin drops because of some speculations? You will lose that money. The bitcoin can't be taken seriously when it comes to commerce. I don't think anybody would agree to sell a product lower than it's value to get some coins, if you want coins you can simply buy it with money.

If I had a widget or a service that I wanted to sell, I'd offer at least a 5% discount for BTC, and probably more like 15% or 20% just to avoid the hassles of acquiring BTC in other ways.  As it is I've got about the number of BTC that I want, nothing I want to sell, and there does not exist a means by which low-ish value transactions can be performed safely and inexpensively anyway (imo.)

You are of course right about the volatility, though it can work in two directions.  That is in fact a big part of the reason I am interested in holding BTC.  This speculative use-case is not appropriate for typical commerce though so I'll largely agree with your point here.  I don't think it dooms Bitcoin to a value-less state, and it could even work in the other direction in terms of values against other stores.

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October 15, 2012, 04:59:11 PM
And what if the value of bitcoin drops because of some speculations? You will lose that money. The bitcoin can't be taken seriously when it comes to commerce. I don't think anybody would agree to sell a product lower than it's value to get some coins, if you want coins you can simply buy it with money.
legendary
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October 15, 2012, 03:55:51 PM
I tried to sell some products for bitcoins and guess what, nobody buys! This may be due to the prices which are a little bit higher than the price in dollars,
May?  Don't forget that most people who are interested in Bitcoin at this time probably knows a little bit about economics as well.  Smiley

When you get real hard irreversible cash like Bitcoin, you should take a lower price.
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October 15, 2012, 03:27:12 PM

I think as you see even easier ways for everyone to buy btc - there will be an increase in fraud and scams until the percentages are close to normal. Right now we've got very little fraud because the market is small.


Dude aside from mining (and mining related) and speculation/coin resales, EVERYTHING else is a scam. I wouldn't call that very little fraud.

sr. member
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October 15, 2012, 03:20:24 PM
To me it's an expensive hassle to obtain BTC and through most paths I have to deal with entities who I don't trust (potentially including the likes of Dwolla, the various Bitcoin exchanges, my banks, and my government who is almost certainly logging all of my financial activity.)  To top it off, I am concerned that it will become even more difficult to obtain BTC going forward so the supply I hold currently exceeds the 'face value' in my mind.  That is why I have little or no interest in spending BTC when there are options.

Am I a bad person for failing to support the nascent economy?  Probably.  OTOH, I've not yet been ripped off either.  I consider the USD<->BTC hassles which currently exist to be something of a blessing insofar as it gives the solution an excuse to fail at the exchange level.  Perhaps the solution would not be so rife with bad apples absent the roadblocks to use which are currently in place.  I actually don't really believe that in a major way because the roadblocks are not that significant and the failures have been mostly associated with user error (aka, ignorance, greed, false mapping, etc) in my opinion.  But it makes a good story at least.

I think as you see even easier ways for everyone to buy btc - there will be an increase in fraud and scams until the percentages are close to normal. Right now we've got very little fraud because the market is small.



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