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legendary
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October 26, 2015, 10:11:27 AM
i think paper money will never replaced. because paper money has been there since long ago
and to replace paper money requires a very long time, because we had to change habits  Grin
I think it will. Not in the close future. People like to see what they own, it gives them a sense of security holding their money and knowing they have it. However, people will slowely lean away from paper money and everything being a digital currency as it is a much easier medium to use for purchasing goods.
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October 26, 2015, 10:07:02 AM
i think paper money will never replaced. because paper money has been there since long ago
and to replace paper money requires a very long time, because we had to change habits  Grin
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October 24, 2015, 09:30:59 AM
As for me there is no future in paper money,cause you can`t keep $10k in you pocket.But with btc,you won`t have any troubles.
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October 24, 2015, 04:53:40 AM
The case to eliminate paper money!

Modern financial markets are behaviourally and structurally different to anything that was previously conceptualised.  It would have seemed impossible previously to assert that central banks would ever need to take interest rates below zero, but we exist at a time where that is possible and many argue necessary.  “Paying a negative interest rate on currency, or on electronic reserves at the central bank, may seem barbaric to some…” writes Rogoff, “But it is arguably no more barbaric than inflation, which similarly reduces the real purchasing power of currency.”   With any paper money in circulation, and no deflation wiggle-room, it becomes close to impossible for bank rates to (in reality) breach zero.

Paper money also provides anonymity from the government.  Rogoff notes that, “Standard monetary theory (e.g., Kiyotaki and Wright 1989) suggests that an essential property of money is that neither buyer nor seller requires knowledge of its history, giving it a certain form of anonymity. (A slight caveat is that the identity of the buyer might be correlated with the probability of the currency being counterfeit, but until now this is a problem that governments have been able to contain.) There is nothing, however, in standard theories of money that requires transactions to be anonymous from tax- or law-enforcement authorities. And yet there is a significant body of evidence that a large percentage of currency in most countries, generally well over 50%, is used precisely to hide transactions.”  This is a huge amount of physical cash; around 7% of US GDP, 10% of Eurozone GDP and almost 18% of Japan’s GDP.  In the US alone, this underground economy creates a tax-gap of around $450 billion (the European figure, with a much harsher tax regime, would be considerably larger).

The case to keep paper money


As we sit here today (perhaps in large part due to the underground economy) the demand for paper currency is outstripping the potential for that paper currency to be replaced by electronic central bank reserves.  If we were to simply stop accepting paper money, the world’s central banks would have to absorb a large proportion of the difference, perhaps upto $70billion per year in the case of the USA.  Theoretically it is possible for a government to issue currency which could be de-facto anonymous (using platforms like Bitcoin) however the potential for said money to facilitate a tax-gap and underground economy would continue (a large price to pay for a non zero-bound interest rate world…).

Rogoff also comments that“…another important argument for maintaining the status quo is that eliminating a core symbol of the monetary regime could disrupt common social conventions for using money, possibly in unexpected ways. For example, it could lead to a precipitous decline in demand for debt and not just for fiat money.”  He continues, “…just because a similar equilibrium can obtain with or without a significant transactions role for money, it does not necessarily mean that private agents will focus on the same equilibrium as they would when there exists paper currency. Yes, the government can help coordinate expectations by insisting that taxes are paid in the electronic fiat currency, and that all state contracts be denominated in this currency. But it is important to acknowledge that there is a least an outside risk that if the government is too abrupt is abandoning a century-old social convention, it will destabilize inflation expectations, introduce a risk premium into bond pricing, and generally induce unexpected macroeconomic instabilities.”

From a geopolitical perspective also, we see the threat that by eliminating a domestic currency, the population may just shift to using another- again, this is not beyond the realms of reason, many failed states have adopted the USD as the de-facto currency when that national offering ceased to serve its purpose.

The risks of living without paper…

Alongside the obvious risk of electronic currency to cyber-attack and infrastructure failure, there is also the broad-line concern as to whether a full shift to electronic currency introduces in tracking and traceability which would violate our basic civil liberties.

Despite huge and on-going technological advances in electronic transactions technologies, it [paper currency] has remained surprisingly durable, even if its major uses seem to be buried in the world underground and illegal economy…. Nevertheless, given the role of paper currency (especially large-denomination notes) in facilitating tax evasion and illegal activity, and given the persistent and perhaps recurring problem of the zero bound on nominal interest rates, it is appropriate to consider the costs and benefits to a more proactive strategy for phasing out the use of paper currency.” writes Rogoff.   

The normalisation of innovation into a society (where said innovation becomes accepted as a norm) can happen gradually, or through shocks.

Mobile communications and the internet illustrate this clearly.  In western societies, the normalisation of these technologies was relatively slow – taking a couple of decades.  In other countries however, they became the norm from day one; for many developing nations, mobile telephony and the internet were inserted into culture as a shock by development groups as the first form of reliable telecommunications ever to be in-place, and so the allied and emergent concepts built on these (such as electronic money and so forth) are not only more prevalent, but highly normalised.

For a true replacement to emerge for paper currency, the step-change in innovation would have to be more than marginally better for some of the stakeholders (as current alternatives are) it would need to be a pivot that gives states, central banks, governments, businesses and consumers a real reason to make the switch.

For my mind, I feel the solution will be more abstract.  It would be hard to see (at least in the short or medium term in the western world) a situation where paper currency is truly abandoned- the socio-cultural momentum that would require is perhaps a generation or two away, and will almost certainly require a role-model country elsewhere in the world to show it works.

What we are seeing however is that technology has enabled transactions to occur in the middle-ground between barter and money.  Fundamentally money exists when the community using it agrees that it is an acceptable, secure and sustainable store of value.  Crypto-currencies and many other technologies  in the space are giving credible platforms on which the notion of money can exist.  The pace of technological development also means that these platforms move much more rapidly from the development world into the real world; where they can live or die in the markets.

In the future, we could have three layers of currency in our world.  A macro layer enabling central banks to trade with each other (perhaps using some modified form of the SDR), a sovereign layer enabling nations or country alliances (such as the EU) to have a core currency as their systemically important money-supply and a third layer; the civic layer- where the community itself creates currencies to facilitate trade between themselves with freedom from policy interference.

More so than any of this, we have to remember that money is a human invention, and a human technology.  As Ayn Rand said,  “Money is only a tool. It will take you wherever you wish, but it will not replace you as the driver.”
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October 24, 2015, 02:59:57 AM
Andrew Haldane said one solution would be for the Bank of England to issue a state-backed digital currency based on bitcoin. Supporting this initiative would be a negative interest rate levied on paper currency relative to the digital currency, with these measures do you think there is more possibilities that sometime:

Paper money will be banned entirely?
How long do you think that happens?
would it work?
What security and privacy risks would it raise?
And how would public and privately issued monies interact?


For highly developed countries yes this would be possible. But in some parts of the world where internet access, credit cards bitcoin and even electricity don't exist paper money will always be there as monetary tool.
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October 23, 2015, 08:00:01 PM

People always opt for additional process as well as secure money because of their life, as well as I believe paper money isn't that thing in the meantime.
If we look for a most secured money then digital money is the right choice.

Already many people world wide started using digital money instead of paper. So, paper money will find it's own way soon. CMIIW


You mean digital money will find it's own way soon?
Or both digital and paper?
I have read an interesting story about the monetary crisis in Argentina and in that country people started to use (beside the foreign and stable currencies, like USD, etc) they started to use little gold rings from the jewelry store, to pay for food, services, etc. because of the very high inflation of their paper money.
They just measured their weight of the rings and that value was the base of comparasion for long time.
Some people collect gold jewel today as well because they belive in the value of gold if something happens.

exchange rate with the use of gold will be more stable than fiat money or digital money, when we talk about bitcoin, infrastructure bitcoin is not too strong to make the process of buying and selling in the real market, we can only trade in cyberspace requiring internet connection that stable, not all countries are able to do so
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Vires in Numeris
October 23, 2015, 05:04:32 PM

People always opt for additional process as well as secure money because of their life, as well as I believe paper money isn't that thing in the meantime.
If we look for a most secured money then digital money is the right choice.

Already many people world wide started using digital money instead of paper. So, paper money will find it's own way soon. CMIIW


You mean digital money will find it's own way soon?
Or both digital and paper?
I have read an interesting story about the monetary crisis in Argentina and in that country people started to use (beside the foreign and stable currencies, like USD, etc) they started to use little gold rings from the jewelry store, to pay for food, services, etc. because of the very high inflation of their paper money.
They just measured their weight of the rings and that value was the base of comparasion for long time.
Some people collect gold jewel today as well because they belive in the value of gold if something happens.
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October 23, 2015, 05:49:46 AM

People always opt for additional process as well as secure money because of their life, as well as I believe paper money isn't that thing in the meantime.
If we look for a most secured money then digital money is the right choice.

Already many people world wide started using digital money instead of paper. So, paper money will find it's own way soon. CMIIW

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Vires in Numeris
October 22, 2015, 06:12:54 PM
Maybe (s)he wanted to say that paper money will be here until the government changes the legit currency back to gold coins

(sorry for my english too, I have also learnt this language, but there is always a need to improve, especially like after some rounds of beer with native english speakers, when they think you are native also Smiley )
legendary
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October 22, 2015, 10:14:33 AM
tha paper money is king..
paper money still be here until the goverment changed gold for real transaction.
 Shocked

I thought that me was the worst English writer in all bitcointalk. But I see that I have a strong concurrence. I read about ten times your last sentence, made to many combinations or guess various meanings but yet was unable to understand it. It is a wonderful sentence but incomprehensible for me. Maybe is again my English which is guilty.

Please don't misunderstand me. I'm joking (with myself and with you). But really what you want to tell with your last sentence?

Then you are not wrong with your postulate about the paper money. But you must remember that the Queen (credit/debit card) is more important that the King. But better ask an Englishman about this...  Wink

Waiting your answer about the meaning of the last your sentence. I make myself to many errors in my writings (which correct even after days when happen to read again my posts) so it wouldn't be a problem for you to write something like that...  Cheesy
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October 22, 2015, 07:30:45 AM
tha paper money is king..
paper money still be here until the goverment changed gold for real transaction.
 Shocked
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October 21, 2015, 10:16:49 PM
Andrew Haldane said one solution would be for the Bank of England to issue a state-backed digital currency based on bitcoin. Supporting this initiative would be a negative interest rate levied on paper currency relative to the digital currency, with these measures do you think there is more possibilities that sometime:

Paper money will be banned entirely?
How long do you think that happens?
would it work?
What security and privacy risks would it raise?
And how would public and privately issued monies interact?


I think paper money will still be here in the future and we will still be using it.
Although right now technology is causing it to go extinct in the future.
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October 21, 2015, 10:04:12 PM
Andrew Haldane said one solution would be for the Bank of England to issue a state-backed digital currency based on bitcoin. Supporting this initiative would be a negative interest rate levied on paper currency relative to the digital currency, with these measures do you think there is more possibilities that sometime:

Paper money will be banned entirely?
How long do you think that happens?
would it work?
What security and privacy risks would it raise?
And how would public and privately issued monies interact?



It wont be long now that the paper money we use will be a history and we will use a new trend of money or something.
In this time the bitcoins will probably be very popular.
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October 21, 2015, 09:10:20 PM
Andrew Haldane said one solution would be for the Bank of England to issue a state-backed digital currency based on bitcoin. Supporting this initiative would be a negative interest rate levied on paper currency relative to the digital currency, with these measures do you think there is more possibilities that sometime:

Paper money will be banned entirely?
How long do you think that happens?
would it work?
What security and privacy risks would it raise?
And how would public and privately issued monies interact?



I think it would be gone by one day and be replaced by another. When that time comes I would probably miss paper money.
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October 21, 2015, 07:37:51 PM
Andrew Haldane said one solution would be for the Bank of England to issue a state-backed digital currency based on bitcoin. Supporting this initiative would be a negative interest rate levied on paper currency relative to the digital currency, with these measures do you think there is more possibilities that sometime:

Paper money will be banned entirely?
How long do you think that happens?
would it work?
What security and privacy risks would it raise?
And how would public and privately issued monies interact?


I think paper money will not be entirely banned.  Even if bitcoin is the currency for now, bitcoin is not subject to any regulations and I think governments would like that.
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October 21, 2015, 05:03:06 PM
Andrew Haldane said one solution would be for the Bank of England to issue a state-backed digital currency based on bitcoin. Supporting this initiative would be a negative interest rate levied on paper currency relative to the digital currency, with these measures do you think there is more possibilities that sometime:

Paper money will be banned entirely?
How long do you think that happens?
would it work?
What security and privacy risks would it raise?
And how would public and privately issued monies interact?


I think paper money will get replaced by bitcoins and if you collected bitcoins now it is a good advantage for you.
Bitcoin need too much time for replacing paper money specially in developing countries where peoples don't no about this in some countries they never hear about this
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October 21, 2015, 04:58:48 PM
Andrew Haldane said one solution would be for the Bank of England to issue a state-backed digital currency based on bitcoin. Supporting this initiative would be a negative interest rate levied on paper currency relative to the digital currency, with these measures do you think there is more possibilities that sometime:

Paper money will be banned entirely?
How long do you think that happens?
would it work?
What security and privacy risks would it raise?
And how would public and privately issued monies interact?


I hope paper money will not be banned.  I am wary of bitcoin even with all the things that come with it.
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October 21, 2015, 03:41:42 PM
Andrew Haldane said one solution would be for the Bank of England to issue a state-backed digital currency based on bitcoin. Supporting this initiative would be a negative interest rate levied on paper currency relative to the digital currency, with these measures do you think there is more possibilities that sometime:

Paper money will be banned entirely?
How long do you think that happens?
would it work?
What security and privacy risks would it raise?
And how would public and privately issued monies interact?


I still like paper money over bitcoin.  Bitcoin is the thing now but I still like paper money.
legendary
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October 21, 2015, 04:04:58 AM
Andrew Haldane said one solution would be for the Bank of England to issue a state-backed digital currency based on bitcoin. Supporting this initiative would be a negative interest rate levied on paper currency relative to the digital currency, with these measures do you think there is more possibilities that sometime:

Paper money will be banned entirely?
How long do you think that happens?
would it work?
What security and privacy risks would it raise?
And how would public and privately issued monies interact?


I think paper money will get replaced by bitcoins and if you collected bitcoins now it is a good advantage for you.

Yes paper money will be replaced by bitcoin but very slowly as paper money is a part of human life style for many centuries. Already this work has been initiated by credit cards in the form of plastic money. When bitcoin finds more option for physical usage then that's the end of paper money.
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October 21, 2015, 01:24:28 AM
Andrew Haldane said one solution would be for the Bank of England to issue a state-backed digital currency based on bitcoin. Supporting this initiative would be a negative interest rate levied on paper currency relative to the digital currency, with these measures do you think there is more possibilities that sometime:

Paper money will be banned entirely?
How long do you think that happens?
would it work?
What security and privacy risks would it raise?
And how would public and privately issued monies interact?


I think paper money will get replaced by bitcoins and if you collected bitcoins now it is a good advantage for you.
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