The green shouldn't always be the reason to enter the market

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Quote from: usekevin on July 22, 2023, 03:32:59 PM

Learn the trading is the essential one,one should know the exact time to start the investment and the exact time to withdraw with the benefit.

This is difficult to execute for most traders in the beginning but eventually they learn and those who dont stop trading. Because if someone unable to cycle the money through the bull and bear cycles they cannot profit from the same. There will be chances that are missed, but that should not dishearten them but allow them to learn from the mistake and execute the trade in the next cycle.

Its simple enough to see the red but the difficult choice here is to buy. If you are sticking to bitcoin, then this choice becomes easy to make.

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Quote from: usekevin on July 22, 2023, 03:32:59 PM

Learn the trading is the essential one,one should know the exact time to start the investment and the exact time to withdraw with the benefit.If any trader will not have any one of this skill,they will have face the loss in the trading.When they use the wrong time to invest in the trading,he should not worry about his mistake.Instead he should do use of this knowledge to learn trading.This knowledge will help the trader to understand the market flow better and help to earn more money from the upcoming trades.

the problem arises from the fact that what most people have learned about technical analysis are not useful things in the cryptocurrency market, you will see that in the videos of the courses that you see, the people who teach keep saying that the x, y and z pattern are reversal, and that by adding some technical indicators the person can buy, but what has happened is that if that person uses that knowledge in the cryptocurrency market, then that person will lose money, because in this cryptocurrency market things are completely different from the traditional market

so what comes next is people's frustration, because the person puts in 2000$ and starts to day trade using the knowledge he acquired, but every day he spends hours on the computer and does not earn anything, on the contrary he is losing money and the most ridiculous thing about it is that when he buys and the price drops he sells it (stop-loss) but the next day the price goes up a lot, and at that time when he buys he already has less bitcoin, and gets more frustrated, but the people who buy and do ho dl they manage to make a lot of profits, this is the reality of this cryptocurrency market

Not that its not totally useful but rather its not that always precise most of the time if we do speak about technical analysis on which it is really that something that really mainly been used which i couldnt say that its wrong because if we do always focus that much when it comes to fundamentals then it wont really be always that this market is having those news or events which we could really rely upon or make use on our FA's.
Its a combination of two as long you could be able to see on whats relevant in towards to your trading because each one of us is really just that speculators on this market.There's no way on knowing on where it would be heading and sometimes that greens doesnt always mean that it is really start of the bull run or upward trend because most of them are really just that bull traps or bear traps. You should really know how to distinguish
in both things because if you dont then you would really be missing out on making a good entry. The most challenging part on dealing with any market is that you would really be having a hard time whether you would
really be that going to enter or wait a little further? These would be the main questions that would really be popping out on your mind.

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Quote from: usekevin on July 22, 2023, 03:32:59 PM

Learn the trading is the essential one,one should know the exact time to start the investment and the exact time to withdraw with the benefit.If any trader will not have any one of this skill,they will have face the loss in the trading.When they use the wrong time to invest in the trading,he should not worry about his mistake.Instead he should do use of this knowledge to learn trading.This knowledge will help the trader to understand the market flow better and help to earn more money from the upcoming trades.

the problem arises from the fact that what most people have learned about technical analysis are not useful things in the cryptocurrency market, you will see that in the videos of the courses that you see, the people who teach keep saying that the x, y and z pattern are reversal, and that by adding some technical indicators the person can buy, but what has happened is that if that person uses that knowledge in the cryptocurrency market, then that person will lose money, because in this cryptocurrency market things are completely different from the traditional market

so what comes next is people's frustration, because the person puts in 2000$ and starts to day trade using the knowledge he acquired, but every day he spends hours on the computer and does not earn anything, on the contrary he is losing money and the most ridiculous thing about it is that when he buys and the price drops he sells it (stop-loss) but the next day the price goes up a lot, and at that time when he buys he already has less bitcoin, and gets more frustrated, but the people who buy and do ho dl they manage to make a lot of profits, this is the reality of this cryptocurrency market

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Learn the trading is the essential one,one should know the exact time to start the investment and the exact time to withdraw with the benefit.If any trader will not have any one of this skill,they will have face the loss in the trading.When they use the wrong time to invest in the trading,he should not worry about his mistake.Instead he should do use of this knowledge to learn trading.This knowledge will help the trader to understand the market flow better and help to earn more money from the upcoming trades.

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Quote from: savetheFORUM on June 28, 2023, 03:52:30 AM

A good trader is someone who can easily determine which time is the best for them to buy or sell, you can't just buy when it's red and sell when it's green, that's now how trading works, I say that because lot of newbies think that as soon as the market becomes green, everyone gets in profit which is not true.

If one don't know about the perfect timing of entrance and exit then there is no need to be involved in trading as trading is not possible without the knowledge of necessary things. Although at start everyone is in fear so they make wrong decision but if one don't learn from mistakes and regularly lossing due to misunderstanding so its a foolish idea.

Sometimes market become green but users wishes to wait more so they are also going towards wrong path which will lead you to the miss your destination. keep your eye on price then go with it if you desires to make beneficial decisions that will be in your favour. Know about the signals and timing to get the maximum advantage and don't be too lazy or too quick in making decision.

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Quote from: Minecache on July 13, 2023, 06:40:53 AM

It is true that in the red market, there are always good opportunities to enter and buy to hold, but there are also significant risks that we face. If you just focus on buying bitcoin every time the red market comes, you will be safe with your investment. But if you are looking for altcoins, your risk increases as not all altcoins are worth buying when the red market comes. Like in the dumping last year, besides the dead projects, I believe there will be many projects that cannot recover. Those who have rushed to invest are sure they are losing huge, and the ability to recover capital is almost impossible, let alone profitable.

Red market is great but how much red is the real question. When price went from 68k to 50k, that was red, if you bought it then you would have lost, when it was 50k dropped to 30k if you bought because it was red, you would have still lost because it went half that.

So, it is not important to figure out where to buy, it is important when to buy and yes red is true but how much red matters. I usually wait for it to go down about 70%, that is what it reaches to in the end, takes some time but it is always 70%, look at all the other crashes before, you will see that it was 70% and then it stopped and started to go back up. Of course it may go down some more, but not a lot more after that, it was just a little and that matters for sure.

I understand what you are saying, but waiting for the price to drop more than 70%, then we start buying will always work? Because we will never know how much bitcoin will fall and where the final bottom will be. Meanwhile, why don't we use the DCA strategy in a red market?
Bitcoin will drop when the bears come, but how do we know it will go from $69k to $15k? Everything will be unknown until it happens. When bitcoin goes from $69k to $50k, what makes you sure it will drop to $30k? Currently, bitcoin is trading at $31k, and we are in a red market. Do you think we should wait to buy, or should we buy now?

One of the main issue on why we cant really just be able to make outright decisions just because we do really have those kind of questions in mind on what if the price would like this and like that? You would really be presumpting on something that we have seen that it happened in the past and this is why we do commonly missed out those opportunities on buying on the bottom since we are really that waiting for something more lower.Its true that DCA would be the key but you would really be also thinking on how you would really be making those entries if you are really in doubt if the price might go down even more? Also, there's no such
thing about unlimited funds even if we do say about dca'ing which it would really be still needing that analysis and considerations on where you would really be entering. What if it would go even more?
and you dont have the funds to put up already, then you would really be having those thoughts that you should have waited more for you to enter the possible bottom that you are currently seeing.

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Quote from: Y3shot on June 21, 2023, 07:06:47 AM

What stopped you when the price was low? don't let the sudden increase make you rush into the market- learn to control your emotions.

The ability to control one's emotions and greed before joining the crypto market is something that every crypto investor should master. If an investor learned how to do that, he would be careful to know when to enter the market and when to take profits rather than being quickly swept away by the green side of the crypto market.

Quote from: Y3shot on June 21, 2023, 07:06:47 AM

One of the challenges of some traders is that they don't know when is the right time to enter the market. Some traders feels when the market is red it is always a wrong time to get into the market to trade. If the green should only be considered as the best time to enter the market, I think it won't always be a right decision. Going into the market when it is green is just greedy sentiment for trading.

The main reasons why many investors enter the market when it is green are anxiety and FOMO. They assumed that because the cryptosphere is currently profitable, it will remain so. It would have been a catastrophic error for them to delay entering the market at that time. They are unaware that the green light has negative price implications. It might quickly become red which would result in them losing money on their crypto investment if care is not taken.

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Quote from: justdimin on July 13, 2023, 01:22:06 PM

Quote from: Minecache on July 13, 2023, 06:40:53 AM

It is true that in the red market, there are always good opportunities to enter and buy to hold, but there are also significant risks that we face. If you just focus on buying bitcoin every time the red market comes, you will be safe with your investment. But if you are looking for altcoins, your risk increases as not all altcoins are worth buying when the red market comes. Like in the dumping last year, besides the dead projects, I believe there will be many projects that cannot recover. Those who have rushed to invest are sure they are losing huge, and the ability to recover capital is almost impossible, let alone profitable.

Red market is great but how much red is the real question. When price went from 68k to 50k, that was red, if you bought it then you would have lost, when it was 50k dropped to 30k if you bought because it was red, you would have still lost because it went half that.

So, it is not important to figure out where to buy, it is important when to buy and yes red is true but how much red matters. I usually wait for it to go down about 70%, that is what it reaches to in the end, takes some time but it is always 70%, look at all the other crashes before, you will see that it was 70% and then it stopped and started to go back up. Of course it may go down some more, but not a lot more after that, it was just a little and that matters for sure.

I understand what you are saying, but waiting for the price to drop more than 70%, then we start buying will always work? Because we will never know how much bitcoin will fall and where the final bottom will be. Meanwhile, why don't we use the DCA strategy in a red market?
Bitcoin will drop when the bears come, but how do we know it will go from $69k to $15k? Everything will be unknown until it happens. When bitcoin goes from $69k to $50k, what makes you sure it will drop to $30k? Currently, bitcoin is trading at $31k, and we are in a red market. Do you think we should wait to buy, or should we buy now?

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Quote from: Minecache on July 13, 2023, 06:40:53 AM

It is true that in the red market, there are always good opportunities to enter and buy to hold, but there are also significant risks that we face. If you just focus on buying bitcoin every time the red market comes, you will be safe with your investment. But if you are looking for altcoins, your risk increases as not all altcoins are worth buying when the red market comes. Like in the dumping last year, besides the dead projects, I believe there will be many projects that cannot recover. Those who have rushed to invest are sure they are losing huge, and the ability to recover capital is almost impossible, let alone profitable.

Red market is great but how much red is the real question. When price went from 68k to 50k, that was red, if you bought it then you would have lost, when it was 50k dropped to 30k if you bought because it was red, you would have still lost because it went half that.

So, it is not important to figure out where to buy, it is important when to buy and yes red is true but how much red matters. I usually wait for it to go down about 70%, that is what it reaches to in the end, takes some time but it is always 70%, look at all the other crashes before, you will see that it was 70% and then it stopped and started to go back up. Of course it may go down some more, but not a lot more after that, it was just a little and that matters for sure.

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Quote from: gunhell16 on July 13, 2023, 04:17:47 AM

It's true, I experienced that during the bull run, it's hard to keep up, I'm always left when I buy, that's why I learned more that when the market is always red, that's a good opportunity to buy potential cryptocurrencies and hold you do it until the bull season comes.

The only advantage people have is that you have a lot of money so you can buy coins that you know are cheap right now and just hold them until the bull run. Because if you go along with buying a coin even if the majority is green, you should make sure that you are a scalper because they are the only ones who can go along with that in reality.

It is true that in the red market, there are always good opportunities to enter and buy to hold, but there are also significant risks that we face. If you just focus on buying bitcoin every time the red market comes, you will be safe with your investment. But if you are looking for altcoins, your risk increases as not all altcoins are worth buying when the red market comes. Like in the dumping last year, besides the dead projects, I believe there will be many projects that cannot recover. Those who have rushed to invest are sure they are losing huge, and the ability to recover capital is almost impossible, let alone profitable.

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It's true, I experienced that during the bull run, it's hard to keep up, I'm always left when I buy, that's why I learned more that when the market is always red, that's a good opportunity to buy potential cryptocurrencies and hold you do it until the bull season comes.

The only advantage people have is that you have a lot of money so you can buy coins that you know are cheap right now and just hold them until the bull run. Because if you go along with buying a coin even if the majority is green, you should make sure that you are a scalper because they are the only ones who can go along with that in reality.

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Most of what happens to novice investors is entering the green season hoping to get profits quickly. even though investors should enter the market during the bearish season, so that they can maximize profits when the bullish season comes. sometimes those who have the intention to hold long term, skip the bullish season and wait for the next bullish season with the assumption that the price will be able to pass at a higher price. this happens a lot to bitcoin investors who set aside their money every month regardless of the season

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I have to agree on this one. Reminds me of someone who said that the best time to enter the market is when things are still quiet or bearish. It is all about planting the seeds during the quiet days before the rain is about to fall on the right time.

It is difficult for us to enter the market is already rallying and about to reach its peak. Same thing goes if we are building our own trading portfolio and other products related to Web3, DeFi and anything related to crypto trading.

Indeed the red zone is the best time to enter the market but the problem is, most investors particularly newbies felt even more scary to invest seeing the market totally in a mess. Prices have plummeted so low that new investors have concluded that they’re not going to recover anymore and so they chose the green zone instead because of its high opportunities to increase their prices more. That’s how tempting the market is, so if you are weak and greedy, you will never experience profiting because you enter the market at a wrong timing.

This is what separates those with experience from those without,
beginners seeing the red zone will avoid it and assume it's the end of the market,
experienced investors will know when to enter the market and when to wait.

You would really be able to see the significant differences between the two and this is why its always better that you should really be that mindful about on every step that you would make and wont really be rushing up

on doing so, specially that we are really that dealing with an unpredictable market on which movement is never something that cant be known. Green or uprising prices does signify opportunity to sell out and secure profits but also it would really be a reason on making yourself that been ending up on holding just because you have been caught on the peak. This is why you should really be that wise on making decisions.
But if you are that someone who do have that moon bag then it wont really be an issue because later years on which market recovery and bull run could happen.

This is why on every step that you would be making then you should really be that mindful and be careful on what you should gonna do.Always set plan A and B or even C.

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Only experienced investors know that as newbies could easily fall from entering in the green market and expect even more that prices will be more promising in the next days and months. One reason why most investors fail and end up quitting because they enter at a wrong time. However, there’s no problem if you enter at a green market considering that you’ll invest bitcoin and make it as your long term investment. That way, you will still be profitable if you can patiently manage hodling it for long and only sell whenever there are chances to sell at higher prices.

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Quote from: Distinctin on July 10, 2023, 08:23:13 AM

Quote from: cheezcarls on July 01, 2023, 08:32:54 AM

I have to agree on this one. Reminds me of someone who said that the best time to enter the market is when things are still quiet or bearish. It is all about planting the seeds during the quiet days before the rain is about to fall on the right time.

It is difficult for us to enter the market is already rallying and about to reach its peak. Same thing goes if we are building our own trading portfolio and other products related to Web3, DeFi and anything related to crypto trading.

Indeed the red zone is the best time to enter the market but the problem is, most investors particularly newbies felt even more scary to invest seeing the market totally in a mess. Prices have plummeted so low that new investors have concluded that they’re not going to recover anymore and so they chose the green zone instead because of its high opportunities to increase their prices more. That’s how tempting the market is, so if you are weak and greedy, you will never experience profiting because you enter the market at a wrong timing.

This is what separates those with experience from those without,
beginners seeing the red zone will avoid it and assume it's the end of the market,
experienced investors will know when to enter the market and when to wait.

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Yeah actually it is the opposite of what title says. That’s what I’m follows always. That logic I already printed on my mind since very long time now considering thats FOMO sort of investment. I have stopped doing that and believe it or not once I was on the other side of the line. It’s good that I understood this way early and started doing my own investments along the way. Better than this I also learned it’s good to have DCA investments where you keep buying at different price points and also whenever the prices are pretty low for the bitcoin. So love the red and hate the green when you are buying. Simple.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on July 08, 2023, 03:02:23 PM

This is subjective since traders have their own ways of entering the market whatever feels them comfortable. I have had an online friend since 2017 and I noticed that he never changed strategies when it comes to entering his trades. He likes to enter during breakouts which most often contradicts my style.

Generally, green is a good way of entering the market since it already has momentum. But those that enter the market when it's red gain more. So it's like investing in altcoins. The higher the risk, the higher the reward.

But in this case, you can get into a long period of decline, because you enter in a falling, red market, you do not know if the fall has ended, or if it will continue and for how long. Green candles can show us indicators that indicate a change in trend and this may help you make a decision to enter a trade. Maybe you meant about entering a trade during sharp drops, I still adhere to the opinion that it is safer to enter a trade when we see the beginning of growth.

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Quote from: cheezcarls on July 01, 2023, 08:32:54 AM

I have to agree on this one. Reminds me of someone who said that the best time to enter the market is when things are still quiet or bearish. It is all about planting the seeds during the quiet days before the rain is about to fall on the right time.

It is difficult for us to enter the market is already rallying and about to reach its peak. Same thing goes if we are building our own trading portfolio and other products related to Web3, DeFi and anything related to crypto trading.

Indeed the red zone is the best time to enter the market but the problem is, most investors particularly newbies felt even more scary to invest seeing the market totally in a mess. Prices have plummeted so low that new investors have concluded that they’re not going to recover anymore and so they chose the green zone instead because of its high opportunities to increase their prices more. That’s how tempting the market is, so if you are weak and greedy, you will never experience profiting because you enter the market at a wrong timing.

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Quote from: Y3shot on June 21, 2023, 07:06:47 AM

What stopped you when the price was low? don't let the sudden increase make you rush into the market- learn to control your emotions.

One of the challenges of some traders is that they don't know when is the right time to enter the market. Some traders feels when the market is red it is always a wrong time to get into the market to trade. If the green should only be considered as the best time to enter the market, I think it won't always be a right decision. Going into the market when it is green is just greedy sentiment for trading.

Sometimes when the market is red it can also be a good time to enter the market if carefully watched. Not all green ends up with profit and not all red ends with loss too.
Traders needs to learn when is the right time to enter the market and not to judge when to enter with a particular signal. Signals are unprecedented and may change faster than it's expected.

Though I am not a professional trader neither have I made fortune out of trading yet my advice would be to enter the market when it is red.
I have seen a lot of people start buying coins/tokens when the almost reach their ath, then they keep waiting for several years to recover their money.
For example some of guys I know bought DOT at $50 as they expected it to be next eth.
I am not saying it is not possible for them to recover but they have blocked their money for some years now.
The best practice, in my opinion, is when price are low and market is red, then you can enter and chances of you making profit becomes high.

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This is subjective since traders have their own ways of entering the market whatever feels them comfortable. I have had an online friend since 2017 and I noticed that he never changed strategies when it comes to entering his trades. He likes to enter during breakouts which most often contradicts my style.

Generally, green is a good way of entering the market since it already has momentum. But those that enter the market when it's red gain more. So it's like investing in altcoins. The higher the risk, the higher the reward.

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