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sr. member
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guys, OP can't admit it but they are under duress.

This is as obvious as it gets and this is their form of warrant canary. OP specifically mentioned those honeypot coin alternatives to simultaneously aid law enforcement create new investigations on users that don't catch on, as well as make it obvious as code words for their duress.

OP didn't say Zerocash, which has the optional opaque feature although nobody uses it properly. OP said Zerocoin.

OP didn't say Monero, which would stifle all law enforcement effort. In fact, no mention of cryptonote technology at all.

The incongruency was worded to be obvious to any body here for some time, but simply cannot say anything to reveal the state action against him. So therefore it is my turn to reveal how that works to help you all.

In response to non-disclosable actions by the government, some operators of tech services just shutter the service. This is what you saw with encrypted mail services in the past that weren't decentralized enough to simply ignore government pressure.





conspiracy - noun :

"the action of plotting or conspiring."

"a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful."



there's no need to attempt to trivialize reality with your non sequiturs
newbie
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guys, OP can't admit it but they are under duress.

This is as obvious as it gets and this is their form of warrant canary. OP specifically mentioned those honeypot coin alternatives to simultaneously aid law enforcement create new investigations on users that don't catch on, as well as make it obvious as code words for their duress.

OP didn't say Zerocash, which has the optional opaque feature although nobody uses it properly. OP said Zerocoin.

OP didn't say Monero, which would stifle all law enforcement effort. In fact, no mention of cryptonote technology at all.

The incongruency was worded to be obvious to any body here for some time, but simply cannot say anything to reveal the state action against him. So therefore it is my turn to reveal how that works to help you all.

In response to non-disclosable actions by the government, some operators of tech services just shutter the service. This is what you saw with encrypted mail services in the past that weren't decentralized enough to simply ignore government pressure.



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copper member
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guys, OP can't admit it but they are under duress.

This is as obvious as it gets and this is their form of warrant canary. OP specifically mentioned those honeypot coin alternatives to simultaneously aid law enforcement create new investigations on users that don't catch on, as well as make it obvious as code words for their duress.

OP didn't say Zerocash, which has the optional opaque feature although nobody uses it properly. OP said Zerocoin.

OP didn't say Monero, which would stifle all law enforcement effort. In fact, no mention of cryptonote technology at all.

The incongruency was worded to be obvious to any body here for some time, but simply cannot say anything to reveal the state action against him. So therefore it is my turn to reveal how that works to help you all.

In response to non-disclosable actions by the government, some operators of tech services just shutter the service. This is what you saw with encrypted mail services in the past that weren't decentralized enough to simply ignore government pressure.
This is possible but I don't think this is the case. The kind of website that bitmixer runs means the government is more likely to seize their servers and arrest the owner than serve them with a warrant and/or subpoena.

The OP is likely afraid of capture and shutting down means his chances of this are the greatest.

It is possible that the OP looked at transactions in a short period of time and/or looked at support tickets and say a large percentage of transactions to/from DNMs and don't want to become a target for law enforcement.


 
There is no quitting in this business, you'll soon understand what I mean, when you enter this business you'll have to stay in it till death do us a part.


Not true. You should quit while you are ahead and while you have your freedom.
hero member
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There is no quitting in this business, you'll soon understand what I mean, when you enter this business you'll have to stay in it till death do us a part.

If I were a drug dealer used your service frequently I'd be keep looking for you and eliminate you because now that you want out you are a loose end.

I think you didn't think about that did you genius? once you're in then you're in for good, now you should calm yourself down and get back to the business

As usual, we're worst than any fucking government or any organization, we act when we feel danger, we act by eliminating any loose ends.
sr. member
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It is pretty obvious this come because of pressures with Alphabay and HANSA closing. OP also know that mixing cant fully wash bitcoins. So would get lost of angry customers soon anyway.
In general they have all right to pick up the profits and move on. Most likely just retire. Smiley

I think you have a point here, well maybe this is a peaceful exit for them. Owner has earn so much already, good for them. It is also good that they honestly explain their position in public.
legendary
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It is pretty obvious this come because of pressures with Alphabay and HANSA closing. OP also know that mixing cant fully wash bitcoins. So would get lost of angry customers soon anyway.
In general they have all right to pick up the profits and move on. Most likely just retire. Smiley
legendary
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Slava Ukraini!
I'm really surprised about reason why you are closing Bitmixer. If site generates huge profit, I don't believe you can close it for moral reasons. Where you morale was in that years when you runned this service?
Anyway, I wasn't user of Bitmixer, but I respect you for running one of the most trusted bitcoin service for these years. Good luck with your future projects, whatever you will do.
full member
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Merit: 100
I have never used any mixers nor i have been involved in any funny business. But if i was, I'd certainly trust nothing from this guy anymore. He is definitively compromised right now so if you did any tumbling of funny coins you have to expect the worst.
hero member
Activity: 850
Merit: 1000
I was shocked that this mixer with be shutdown because of anonymous transaction and accept the fact that its illegal..
Well i see some other ways right now to use mixing like chipmixer that i hope this one will not shutting down we still need this because gambling here in my country is illegal that i think it can ban our account if we receive bitcoin from gambling..
This is honestly wasn't expected to here from bitmixer well we respect their decision..

The OP is saying that NO bitcoin mixing service can anonymize you. This makes sense because ALL Bitcoin transactions are on a public ledger...even the mixing. It just makes it harder to trace, but they can still be traced. If you want to be anonymous, convert your BTC to XMR (Monero) use Monero, then convert back to BTC if you want.
hero member
Activity: 924
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I was shocked that this mixer with be shutdown because of anonymous transaction and accept the fact that its illegal..
Well i see some other ways right now to use mixing like chipmixer that i hope this one will not shutting down we still need this because gambling here in my country is illegal that i think it can ban our account if we receive bitcoin from gambling..
This is honestly wasn't expected to here from bitmixer well we respect their decision..
legendary
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Welt Am Draht
guys, OP can't admit it but they are under duress.

This is as obvious as it gets and this is their form of warrant canary. OP specifically mentioned those honeypot coin alternatives to simultaneously aid law enforcement create new investigations on users that don't catch on, as well as make it obvious as code words for their duress.

OP didn't say Zerocash, which has the optional opaque feature although nobody uses it properly. OP said Zerocoin.

OP didn't say Monero, which would stifle all law enforcement effort. In fact, no mention of cryptonote technology at all.

The incongruency was worded to be obvious to any body here for some time, but simply cannot say anything to reveal the state action against him. So therefore it is my turn to reveal how that works to help you all.

In response to non-disclosable actions by the government, some operators of tech services just shutter the service. This is what you saw with encrypted mail services in the past that weren't decentralized enough to simply ignore government pressure.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/6pazth/largest_bitcoin_mixer_bitmixerio_has_decided_to/dknxxfn/

You could well be on to something there.
sr. member
Activity: 505
Merit: 250
Activist Investor
guys, OP can't admit it but they are under duress.

This is as obvious as it gets and this is their form of warrant canary. OP specifically mentioned those honeypot coin alternatives to simultaneously aid law enforcement create new investigations on users that don't catch on, as well as make it obvious as code words for their duress.

OP didn't say Zerocash, which has the optional opaque feature although nobody uses it properly. OP said Zerocoin.

OP didn't say Monero, which would stifle all law enforcement effort. In fact, no mention of cryptonote technology at all.

The incongruency was worded to be obvious to any body here for some time, but simply cannot say anything to reveal the state action against him. So therefore it is my turn to reveal how that works to help you all.

In response to non-disclosable actions by the government, some operators of tech services just shutter the service. This is what you saw with encrypted mail services in the past that weren't decentralized enough to simply ignore government pressure.
hero member
Activity: 1792
Merit: 534
Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform
Note: I've never used BitMixer so I won't miss it's services. One of the reasons for not using it is that the coins I get back are most likely from someone who's trying to hide worse things than me Tongue
When you used Bitmixer, they would give you a "Letter of Guarantee" (mentioned here) so that you could prove that you sent funds to their site (signed message from their address + signed message from you = proof).

If the authorities came knocking, you could just prove to them that you sent your funds to Bitmixer, and therefore that the tied coins were not yours.
I've seen it, but I don't think it proves anything as it still requires the authorities to believe BitMixer is honest.
For the deposit, it certainly doesn't require that.  The point is for them to sign a message proving that the address you're sending to is owned by Bitmixer.  So as for the funds coming back to you, you can sign a message proving that you own the address that received a transaction of the same amount you send to Bitmixer, if that makes sense.

After that, the authorities can either believe a mixture of cryptographic proof and completely obvious reasoning, believe that Bitmixer stole your money and you just mysteriously received a transaction from a criminal at that time, or believe that you own Bitmixer.  I'd say the former one is the only logical way that they could go.
I doubt a judge would believe evidence created by the anonymous website that you claim laundered your money into coins wanted for something you claim you didn't do.
I don't see why not if you provide evidence that Bitcoin's signed message system is sound and you verify Bitmixer's signature.
legendary
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Note: I've never used BitMixer so I won't miss it's services. One of the reasons for not using it is that the coins I get back are most likely from someone who's trying to hide worse things than me Tongue
When you used Bitmixer, they would give you a "Letter of Guarantee" (mentioned here) so that you could prove that you sent funds to their site (signed message from their address + signed message from you = proof).

If the authorities came knocking, you could just prove to them that you sent your funds to Bitmixer, and therefore that the tied coins were not yours.
I've seen it, but I don't think it proves anything as it still requires the authorities to believe BitMixer is honest. I doubt a judge would believe evidence created by the anonymous website that you claim laundered your money into coins wanted for something you claim you didn't do.
hero member
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i think NAV and ZENCASH are the best for anonymity 

They don't have privacy by default. That means they're not as private as mandatory privacy (Monero).
jr. member
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i think NAV and ZENCASH are the best for anonymity 
legendary
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There's only one coin in existence today that provides full anonymity - Monero.
newbie
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But we never had any government or legal pressure, it is only my own opinion.
Yeahhh. Well, time to stock up on Monero.
hero member
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Can you please make sure that for at least one year or two the domain name won't be dropped also, as I doubt the renewal fee would put a financial strain on you ?
By this we can make sure that the name won't be acquired by someone with the intent to profit (scam) based on your hard earned reputation.
This is one of the most important things Bitmixer has to do.  Their domain expires in just a couple of months, so anyone registering it could scam masses of people on Reddit, Bitcointalk, Slack and basically everywhere.  They already do it with copied sites on slightly different domain names, so imagine what power they'd have on the real domain.

Note: I've never used BitMixer so I won't miss it's services. One of the reasons for not using it is that the coins I get back are most likely from someone who's trying to hide worse things than me Tongue
When you used Bitmixer, they would give you a "Letter of Guarantee" (mentioned here) so that you could prove that you sent funds to their site (signed message from their address + signed message from you = proof).

If the authorities came knocking, you could just prove to them that you sent your funds to Bitmixer, and therefore that the tied coins were not yours.

As for Bitmixer shutting down because they believe in transparent transactions - oh, woe is me.  I suppose I'll have to use mixers which are exactly the same as them or sometimes better.  What a shame.
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Don't worry, we didn't keep logs, we deleted all used wallets, our servers never been seized, we had very strong mixing algorithm. We never collaborated with feds. All our clients are protected. We did our work honesty as described.

About "I'm not a criminal. Why should I mix my coins?". I really believed in this years ago. But look, in 2016 we mixed about 1M bitcoins. What do you think what part of this sum was non criminal? I don't know, we provided just a tool and didn't ask from what source coins coming. But I guess not all of them was clean. I really don't want to earn helping criminals. It is not only personal. Bitcoin couldn't be accepted by general public and governments if it is a crime tool. No, no, no. Fortunately last years appeared special anonymous cryptocurrencies for this purpose. But Bitcoin has another big aims. It is a finance revolution, but not a crime finance revolution.

So sorry to see this but I don't understand you. Do you ever think that will ever be a form of payment only used for clean business? Never!

Doesn't matter how is called , cash, bitcoin , monero , or if we go back to barter people will always do illegal or shady business. So it doesn't really matter what form of payment is used , if people want to obtain something they will regardless.

Your morals are good but in the financial system nowbbody cares , soon somebody will take your place and life goes on. I personally think Bitcoin is done anyway for all DM's , big criminals and even tech/paranoid users Monero will see a big increase.

You provided a great service for many years, good luck to you!
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