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I received a lot of questions by PM, let's clear the situation.
1. We are not under feds control, all our users are safe, all logs and old wallets deleted. We had incredible multiserver custom written Bitcoin software and outstanding mixing algorithm. It is impossible find out even the fact you used bitmixer (it is possible only by logs of your provider if you didn't use tor version). We didn't had linked wallets, traceable ip addresses etc. Don't worry about your past transactions.
2. We do not sell the domain name nor our software nor methods we used for mixing.
3. All I wrote is true. I've changed the view of this business and Bitcoin future. About question "is a knife good or bad tool?". If you sell knifes and you know that most of your clients are murders, will you stop your business? My pastor suggest me it is not a business I should continue. Sorry for that.
4. The message to other mixers. If even btc-e considered as money laundering service, what do you think about your business? Don't be innocent.
Very important message for our investors who still didn't take money. Please take your principal using your investor panel.
Thank you.
1. We are not under feds control, all our users are safe, all logs and old wallets deleted. We had incredible multiserver custom written Bitcoin software and outstanding mixing algorithm. It is impossible find out even the fact you used bitmixer (it is possible only by logs of your provider if you didn't use tor version). We didn't had linked wallets, traceable ip addresses etc. Don't worry about your past transactions.
2. We do not sell the domain name nor our software nor methods we used for mixing.
3. All I wrote is true. I've changed the view of this business and Bitcoin future. About question "is a knife good or bad tool?". If you sell knifes and you know that most of your clients are murders, will you stop your business? My pastor suggest me it is not a business I should continue. Sorry for that.
4. The message to other mixers. If even btc-e considered as money laundering service, what do you think about your business? Don't be innocent.
Very important message for our investors who still didn't take money. Please take your principal using your investor panel.
Thank you.
It seems that it is pretty much confirmed that was the btc-e operator, and I have read no reliable reports about that being related to bitmixer.
Interestingly enough, the indictment was filed under seal on June 21, and bitmixer was announced to be shutting down two days later. It makes me wonder if either bitmixer was either somehow involved (meaning they were being run by the US Government), or if they had advance knowledge about the indictment (meaning they received requests for information from the US government, and were potentially provided information about their service they did not like).
Thinking about it a little bit, I think it is more likely to be the latter. Blockchain analytics companies have the ability to trace (larger) amounts of bitcoin that flow through most mixers, and it is possible that, as part of a request for information from law enforcement, they were provided with certain stats about their service regarding how much flows through their service from things like DNMs and ransomeware.
A little bit less likely, but it is also possible that bitmixer was in fact part of this. The indictment has a couple of paragraphs redacted, one of which is regarding a related company to the Alex guy. I suspect that some of btc-e servers were seized by law enforcement, causing them to go offline, and it is possible that some of bitmixer's servers were also seized.
Interestingly enough, the indictment was filed under seal on June 21, and bitmixer was announced to be shutting down two days later. It makes me wonder if either bitmixer was either somehow involved (meaning they were being run by the US Government), or if they had advance knowledge about the indictment (meaning they received requests for information from the US government, and were potentially provided information about their service they did not like).
Thinking about it a little bit, I think it is more likely to be the latter. Blockchain analytics companies have the ability to trace (larger) amounts of bitcoin that flow through most mixers, and it is possible that, as part of a request for information from law enforcement, they were provided with certain stats about their service regarding how much flows through their service from things like DNMs and ransomeware.
A little bit less likely, but it is also possible that bitmixer was in fact part of this. The indictment has a couple of paragraphs redacted, one of which is regarding a related company to the Alex guy. I suspect that some of btc-e servers were seized by law enforcement, causing them to go offline, and it is possible that some of bitmixer's servers were also seized.
Conspiracy keeps thickening
I'd rather say it would be naive to consider these events as completely unrelated but we still don't see the whole picture here. And seeing the whole picture is of primary importance to any Bitcoin user here or anywhere. If it is just a train of events which is in fact about tracking down some criminals (or what the US government thinks as criminals, for that matter), that would be one thing, but if it is only a small part of a bigger plan aiming at bringing Bitcoin down and ultimately destroying it, that would be a totally different thing. In the latter case, what we have just seen is only a beginning of the whole show, and more events should follow soon
I don't exactly believe the whole thoughts about the conspiracies behind all of this vey serious matter here, but despite on of that the person arrested has his own will and rights to be sue for a case. There is no court decisions yet and maybe he could appeal for his rights as a human being, and those issues to bring bitcoin down well criminals will not be into that worst situation if there is desired regulations of botcoin to those laundering of money. Well lets do hope that this challenges is only a part of some critics to really wanted to take down bitcoin.
Tinfoil hat on. All the conspiracies are beginning to unravel now. The darknet markets going down, Bitmixer stops its service and now BTCe co-owner is arrested for money laundering.
What if Mark Karpeles of MtGox is also involved in this?
What if Mark Karpeles of MtGox is also involved in this?
It seems that it is pretty much confirmed that was the btc-e operator, and I have read no reliable reports about that being related to bitmixer.
Interestingly enough, the indictment was filed under seal on June 21, and bitmixer was announced to be shutting down two days later. It makes me wonder if either bitmixer was either somehow involved (meaning they were being run by the US Government), or if they had advance knowledge about the indictment (meaning they received requests for information from the US government, and were potentially provided information about their service they did not like).
Thinking about it a little bit, I think it is more likely to be the latter. Blockchain analytics companies have the ability to trace (larger) amounts of bitcoin that flow through most mixers, and it is possible that, as part of a request for information from law enforcement, they were provided with certain stats about their service regarding how much flows through their service from things like DNMs and ransomeware.
A little bit less likely, but it is also possible that bitmixer was in fact part of this. The indictment has a couple of paragraphs redacted, one of which is regarding a related company to the Alex guy. I suspect that some of btc-e servers were seized by law enforcement, causing them to go offline, and it is possible that some of bitmixer's servers were also seized.
Interestingly enough, the indictment was filed under seal on June 21, and bitmixer was announced to be shutting down two days later. It makes me wonder if either bitmixer was either somehow involved (meaning they were being run by the US Government), or if they had advance knowledge about the indictment (meaning they received requests for information from the US government, and were potentially provided information about their service they did not like).
Thinking about it a little bit, I think it is more likely to be the latter. Blockchain analytics companies have the ability to trace (larger) amounts of bitcoin that flow through most mixers, and it is possible that, as part of a request for information from law enforcement, they were provided with certain stats about their service regarding how much flows through their service from things like DNMs and ransomeware.
A little bit less likely, but it is also possible that bitmixer was in fact part of this. The indictment has a couple of paragraphs redacted, one of which is regarding a related company to the Alex guy. I suspect that some of btc-e servers were seized by law enforcement, causing them to go offline, and it is possible that some of bitmixer's servers were also seized.
Conspiracy keeps thickening
I'd rather say it would be naive to consider these events as completely unrelated but we still don't see the whole picture here. And seeing the whole picture is of primary importance to any Bitcoin user here or anywhere. If it is just a train of events which is in fact about tracking down some criminals (or what the US government thinks as criminals, for that matter), that would be one thing, but if it is only a small part of a bigger plan aiming at bringing Bitcoin down and ultimately destroying it, that would be a totally different thing. In the latter case, what we have just seen is only a beginning of the whole show, and more events should follow soon
Meanwhile over at the BBC:
Bitcoin fraud suspect Vinnik charged by US grand jury - http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40731200
Bitcoin fraud suspect Vinnik charged by US grand jury - http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40731200
He got caught today. thanks for your service Sir!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/russian-wanted-in-us-caught-in-greece-for-money-laundering/2017/07/26/13d912a2-71ef-11e7-8c17-533c52b2f014_story.html?utm_term=.dd36e8531833
Are you sure this is the bitmixer operator? I have read rumors that this was the btce owner. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/russian-wanted-in-us-caught-in-greece-for-money-laundering/2017/07/26/13d912a2-71ef-11e7-8c17-533c52b2f014_story.html?utm_term=.dd36e8531833
He's probably just spreading FUD. It is much more likely to be the btc e guy but I've not seen anything concrete so I would disregard it as mere speculation based on rumour right now.
Interestingly enough, the indictment was filed under seal on June 21, and bitmixer was announced to be shutting down two days later. It makes me wonder if either bitmixer was either somehow involved (meaning they were being run by the US Government), or if they had advance knowledge about the indictment (meaning they received requests for information from the US government, and were potentially provided information about their service they did not like).
Thinking about it a little bit, I think it is more likely to be the latter. Blockchain analytics companies have the ability to trace (larger) amounts of bitcoin that flow through most mixers, and it is possible that, as part of a request for information from law enforcement, they were provided with certain stats about their service regarding how much flows through their service from things like DNMs and ransomeware.
A little bit less likely, but it is also possible that bitmixer was in fact part of this. The indictment has a couple of paragraphs redacted, one of which is regarding a related company to the Alex guy. I suspect that some of btc-e servers were seized by law enforcement, causing them to go offline, and it is possible that some of bitmixer's servers were also seized.
Wow, this statement is just full of bullshit tbh. The only logical explanation for me to read this is that LE took control over that account as well as the mixer itself and then wrote that stupid as hell post.
Bitcoin is a transparent non-anonymous system by design, huh? Who told you that ffs? Have you ever looked into white paper? I'm quite dubious about that, because when you search for key words it gives you 0 (!) results for the word "transparent". However it has a separate chapter called "PRIVACY" where bitcoin is compared to traditional banking system and you can clearly see that Satoshi was striving to break the link between individuals and transactions as much as possible.
Second, your point about criminals. In the first place you were offering money laundering service. Did it really take you so much time to realize the target audience for this?! I mean, REALLY?!! If you were THAT much narrow-minded then I don't believe a person like you would be smart enough to arrange that site.
Anyway, I hope that the team behind bitmixer is in good health and they were let go
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Bitcoin is a transparent non-anonymous system by design, huh? Who told you that ffs? Have you ever looked into white paper? I'm quite dubious about that, because when you search for key words it gives you 0 (!) results for the word "transparent". However it has a separate chapter called "PRIVACY" where bitcoin is compared to traditional banking system and you can clearly see that Satoshi was striving to break the link between individuals and transactions as much as possible.
Second, your point about criminals. In the first place you were offering money laundering service. Did it really take you so much time to realize the target audience for this?! I mean, REALLY?!! If you were THAT much narrow-minded then I don't believe a person like you would be smart enough to arrange that site.
Anyway, I hope that the team behind bitmixer is in good health and they were let go
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He got caught today. thanks for your service Sir!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/russian-wanted-in-us-caught-in-greece-for-money-laundering/2017/07/26/13d912a2-71ef-11e7-8c17-533c52b2f014_story.html?utm_term=.dd36e8531833
Are you sure this is the bitmixer operator? I have read rumors that this was the btce owner. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/russian-wanted-in-us-caught-in-greece-for-money-laundering/2017/07/26/13d912a2-71ef-11e7-8c17-533c52b2f014_story.html?utm_term=.dd36e8531833
YEP!
https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/26/16035702/btce-arrest-bitcoin-alexander-vinnik-mt-gox-theft-suspect
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Greek police have arrested one of the central figures in the Bitcoin exchange BTC-e on suspicion of money laundering. Russian citizen Alexander Vinnik was arrested in Greece at the request of US law enforcement, according to a Reuters report.
The BTC-e exchange has long been a favorite of criminals, as its headquarters in Russia places it outside the reach of US and European law enforcement. Recent Google research found that 95 percent of ransomware cash-outs occurred through the BTC-e exchange, although it’s unclear whether the exchange itself would be liable for those payments.
Those payments have made BTC-e one of the largest bitcoin exchanges, regularly handling more than 3 percent of total Bitcoin transactions. The exchange has been down since Tuesday evening.
The BTC-e exchange has long been a favorite of criminals, as its headquarters in Russia places it outside the reach of US and European law enforcement. Recent Google research found that 95 percent of ransomware cash-outs occurred through the BTC-e exchange, although it’s unclear whether the exchange itself would be liable for those payments.
Those payments have made BTC-e one of the largest bitcoin exchanges, regularly handling more than 3 percent of total Bitcoin transactions. The exchange has been down since Tuesday evening.
IF running a mixer is illegal then every Dash masternode is running a money laundering service and illegal 
who knows how it's gonna reverberate elsewhere?
i doubt the masternode thing though. too much law enforcement work for only theoretical gains that no court would be interested in.
in this btce guy's case they must have a mass of evidence of direct law breaking.
IF running a mixer is illegal then every Dash masternode is running a money laundering service and illegal
I'm member of team which runs a mixing service as well. The service runs since 2015. When we started, the legal status of bitcoin was similar to "credit in a videogame". Since then, the legal status of bitcoin changed and many governments push for regulations and KYC policies. Unfortunately, bitcoin still doesn't provide sufficient privacy for ordinary users.
I think that our colleges from bitmixer decided that it is not worth the risk and discontinued the service. I understand their decision and wish them good luck.
We will keep CoinMixer running for now and keep an eye on the situation.
I think that our colleges from bitmixer decided that it is not worth the risk and discontinued the service. I understand their decision and wish them good luck.
We will keep CoinMixer running for now and keep an eye on the situation.
Exactly what risk is at stake for an unknown person(s) operating a profitable coin mixing service from some Nation State outside the US? We have no idea who the principals are but they have fear of being caught? Meanwhile, Paul Vernon, a known and recognizable person is somewhere in China, whereabouts known by at least local authorities there if abiding by visa guidelines, freely walks the streets sans fear of being extradited back to the US to face myriad charges.
Well, nobody knows for sure. Many international laws were created before the internet even existed. Sometimes it is hard to tell where and when a law applies. In the end, an old judge (who probably doesn't have a clue how internet works) will decide your fate based on what he thinks is right.
Got it! Then the old judge sentences the pronoun to life in prison. Question: Are pronoun prisons unisex?
For someone who gets paid to post and earnings are sent through the gambling site (Bitsler) like me, I use a mixer because my local exchange site does not allow BTCs coming from gambling sites (they will suspend my account or close my account) and known HYIPs that's why I am dumbfounded by Bitmixers decision and might look for other alternatives that offers same service with same level of trust earned by Bitmixer.
If Bitsler doesn't allow BTC directly from a gambling site, then first split the BTC from the gambling into another bitcoin wallet address prior to remitting it to Bitsler. It's not rocket science. Surely, Bitsler doesn't look at all the hops a transaction made prior to deposit, do they?
He got caught today. thanks for your service Sir!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/russian-wanted-in-us-caught-in-greece-for-money-laundering/2017/07/26/13d912a2-71ef-11e7-8c17-533c52b2f014_story.html?utm_term=.dd36e8531833
Are you sure this is the bitmixer operator? I have read rumors that this was the btce owner. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/russian-wanted-in-us-caught-in-greece-for-money-laundering/2017/07/26/13d912a2-71ef-11e7-8c17-533c52b2f014_story.html?utm_term=.dd36e8531833
Yep! That makes perfect sense. Start a thread three days ago declaring that you're shutting down, then go to Greece and get picked up by the authorities.
He got caught today. thanks for your service Sir!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/russian-wanted-in-us-caught-in-greece-for-money-laundering/2017/07/26/13d912a2-71ef-11e7-8c17-533c52b2f014_story.html?utm_term=.dd36e8531833
Are you sure this is the bitmixer operator? I have read rumors that this was the btce owner. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/russian-wanted-in-us-caught-in-greece-for-money-laundering/2017/07/26/13d912a2-71ef-11e7-8c17-533c52b2f014_story.html?utm_term=.dd36e8531833
He's probably just spreading FUD. It is much more likely to be the btc e guy but I've not seen anything concrete so I would disregard it as mere speculation based on rumour right now.
Anyway. Still a big thanks to the Bitmixer company. You did help a lot of bitcoin users.
It seems like there is pressure with his words when I read his posts.
He is just using some reasons for it to look like it aint that big. But it is really obvious it is big.
If the authority is pressuring him then we cannot do anything about it anymore.
His decision then we respect that.
It seems like there is pressure with his words when I read his posts.
He is just using some reasons for it to look like it aint that big. But it is really obvious it is big.
If the authority is pressuring him then we cannot do anything about it anymore.
His decision then we respect that.
Fuck the pronouns! Who's the "HE" behind Bitmixer that some 3-LA is pressuring? Did I missed the memo where 3-LA now pressure pronouns behind entities they deem enemies of the State which operate on some foreign soil?
He got caught today. thanks for your service Sir!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/russian-wanted-in-us-caught-in-greece-for-money-laundering/2017/07/26/13d912a2-71ef-11e7-8c17-533c52b2f014_story.html?utm_term=.dd36e8531833
Are you sure this is the bitmixer operator? I have read rumors that this was the btce owner. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/russian-wanted-in-us-caught-in-greece-for-money-laundering/2017/07/26/13d912a2-71ef-11e7-8c17-533c52b2f014_story.html?utm_term=.dd36e8531833
Anyway. Still a big thanks to the Bitmixer company. You did help a lot of bitcoin users.
It seems like there is pressure with his words when I read his posts.
He is just using some reasons for it to look like it aint that big. But it is really obvious it is big.
If the authority is pressuring him then we cannot do anything about it anymore.
His decision then we respect that.
It seems like there is pressure with his words when I read his posts.
He is just using some reasons for it to look like it aint that big. But it is really obvious it is big.
If the authority is pressuring him then we cannot do anything about it anymore.
His decision then we respect that.
And here we go , the clone is born:
https://bitmixor.io/
vs
https://bitmixer.io/
Whois Record for BitMixOr.io
Dates Created on 2017-07-23 - Expires on 2018-07-23 - Updated on 2017-07-23
Website Title BITMIXER.IO | High Volume Bitcoin Mixer
https://bitmixor.io/
vs
https://bitmixer.io/
Whois Record for BitMixOr.io
Dates Created on 2017-07-23 - Expires on 2018-07-23 - Updated on 2017-07-23
Website Title BITMIXER.IO | High Volume Bitcoin Mixer
If its legit and they actually do the service I don't see a problem, someone needs to fill the gap.
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