The madness of gambling addicts. - page 69.

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Quote from: Fredomago on September 01, 2023, 12:58:54 PM

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Quote from: Wend on September 01, 2023, 07:26:18 AM

To me, such addicts need to be severely punished by the law so they do not relapse. Stop other addicts.

I think if you gamble in a country that prohibits gambling, maybe there could be a law that could make gamblers stop gambling because of course there are certain punishments for gamblers, especially addicts, but it seems that they definitely won't be punished severely, usually they are given advice by professionals to stay away from gambling so they don't. become addicted, even so, the addict will continue to gamble again in secret.

It's true that gambling addiction is almost the same as drug addiction, but the punishment doesn't seem to be the same, especially if you play gambling in a country that frees gambling, of course addicts won't be able to be severely punished because they play in countries that legalize gambling and have freedom. the only way is to let the addict go bankrupt so that he can more easily wake up from his addiction.

In place where gambling is legal there's no punishments if you turn into a gambling addicted person, what might happen is when you already suffer from too much addictions you may do things that is not usual, committing crimes just to please your gambling activities may take place, from that view, you can be punish and the government will be able to put you into a situation where you needed to face your charges, but if you are not into that far, professional help maybe the best solution together with your self-will.

What kind of punishments are you talking about? You mean you can get legal consequences for turning into an addict? I know that gambling in general isn't allowed in some countries, but where do they make a differentiation between addiction and normal gambling?

I guess someone who is seriously addicted and gambling away their financial existence really doesn't need any legal consequences on top of that. What should that even be? A financial penalty maybe? Cheesy

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Quote from: Mr. Magkaisa on September 01, 2023, 05:28:22 AM

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It is outrageous that gamblers cause such dire consequences. I honestly don't believe she could kidnap her daughter. When a person is addicted to gambling, they will run out of money and material things. They will stop playing. I don't think gambling addiction is as harmful as drug addiction. It can cause people to do such immoral things.

To me, such addicts need to be severely punished by the law so they do not relapse. Stop other addicts.

if you disassemble online news from previous years, you will find quite a lot of extraordinary things done by gambling addicts, what is no less crazy imo is this case;

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Recently, a man from China was arrested for selling his child for RM35,000 to settle his online gambling debt. The father, Jiang, came from Guiyang, Guizhou and said that he had to do so because he was unemployed.

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The thing I hate most about gambling addicts is why when they are in big trouble, their family is the one they have to sacrifice, why don't they sell themselves?
there is no need to forgive people like this, their brains are stuck, they can no longer think and be healed, they should be jailed.

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Quote from: piebeyb on September 01, 2023, 09:05:03 AM

Quote from: Wend on September 01, 2023, 07:26:18 AM

To me, such addicts need to be severely punished by the law so they do not relapse. Stop other addicts.

I think if you gamble in a country that prohibits gambling, maybe there could be a law that could make gamblers stop gambling because of course there are certain punishments for gamblers, especially addicts, but it seems that they definitely won't be punished severely, usually they are given advice by professionals to stay away from gambling so they don't. become addicted, even so, the addict will continue to gamble again in secret.

It's true that gambling addiction is almost the same as drug addiction, but the punishment doesn't seem to be the same, especially if you play gambling in a country that frees gambling, of course addicts won't be able to be severely punished because they play in countries that legalize gambling and have freedom. the only way is to let the addict go bankrupt so that he can more easily wake up from his addiction.

In place where gambling is legal there's no punishments if you turn into a gambling addicted person, what might happen is when you already suffer from too much addictions you may do things that is not usual, committing crimes just to please your gambling activities may take place, from that view, you can be punish and the government will be able to put you into a situation where you needed to face your charges, but if you are not into that far, professional help maybe the best solution together with your self-will.

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Quote from: Wend on September 01, 2023, 07:26:18 AM

To me, such addicts need to be severely punished by the law so they do not relapse. Stop other addicts.

I think if you gamble in a country that prohibits gambling, maybe there could be a law that could make gamblers stop gambling because of course there are certain punishments for gamblers, especially addicts, but it seems that they definitely won't be punished severely, usually they are given advice by professionals to stay away from gambling so they don't. become addicted, even so, the addict will continue to gamble again in secret.

It's true that gambling addiction is almost the same as drug addiction, but the punishment doesn't seem to be the same, especially if you play gambling in a country that frees gambling, of course addicts won't be able to be severely punished because they play in countries that legalize gambling and have freedom. the only way is to let the addict go bankrupt so that he can more easily wake up from his addiction.

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Quote from: RockBell on September 01, 2023, 06:55:26 AM

Quote from: Mr. Magkaisa on September 01, 2023, 05:28:22 AM

- It will not be beneficial if a person continues to gamble after addiction has developed or entered their personality. And any addictions that were treated improperly are no longer considered to be normal. In addition, the outcome will undoubtedly be abnormal. Imagine, it's insane to kidnap your own daughter. Yuan has done it, and he didn't think that he had done it to her daughter or even her own blood.

Because a normal, rational parent would never subject their own child to such abuse. Such a person who suffers from an addiction needs counseling and rehabilitation to become better.

Imagine a smoker who has become addicted. On the cigarette pack, it is stated the implications of smoking, but since it is something you can not do without even if you know the risk, you will not bother. Once the addiction has eaten deeply inside, the problem has only just begun. Getting out of that shithole addiction is going to be hard. Once it has already become a lifestyle, nothing else can be done without serious decline.If a parent is aware of their addiction and understands the consequences, they will not want their child to end up in the same situation as them.

It is outrageous that gamblers cause such dire consequences. I honestly don't believe she could kidnap her daughter. When a person is addicted to gambling, they will run out of money and material things. They will stop playing. I don't think gambling addiction is as harmful as drug addiction. It can cause people to do such immoral things.

To me, such addicts need to be severely punished by the law so they do not relapse. Stop other addicts.

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Quote from: zuzie on August 30, 2023, 12:15:41 AM

Yes, that's right, someone will realize that if everything has happened, then the people around him will also feel and suffer the consequences of the mistakes made by a gambling addict. In my opinion, it's not just admitting defeat, addicts will change their habits if they are not balanced with self-confidence and are willing to repent so they don't repeat it again, in my opinion, it will be very difficult to get rid of it. from gambling addiction.

One of the things to make it difficult is the environment where if you want to change and you are quickly influenced again by your friends or someone you know to play again, you won't hesitate to playback and you suddenly find yourself doing the same thing over and over again. That's why you need to stay away from such a place and find some good friends that will take you away from such bad habits. Because gambling addiction is not an easy matter and obviously we already know how it will change the life of a person permanently in a negative way if he doesn't learn to stop and change his behavior.

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Quote from: Mr. Magkaisa on September 01, 2023, 05:28:22 AM

- It will not be beneficial if a person continues to gamble after addiction has developed or entered their personality. And any addictions that were treated improperly are no longer considered to be normal. In addition, the outcome will undoubtedly be abnormal. Imagine, it's insane to kidnap your own daughter. Yuan has done it, and he didn't think that he had done it to her daughter or even her own blood.

Because a normal, rational parent would never subject their own child to such abuse. Such a person who suffers from an addiction needs counseling and rehabilitation to become better.

Imagine a smoker who has become addicted. On the cigarette pack, it is stated the implications of smoking, but since it is something you can not do without even if you know the risk, you will not bother. Once the addiction has eaten deeply inside, the problem has only just begun. Getting out of that shithole addiction is going to be hard. Once it has already become a lifestyle, nothing else can be done without serious decline.If a parent is aware of their addiction and understands the consequences, they will not want their child to end up in the same situation as them.

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- It will not be beneficial if a person continues to gamble after addiction has developed or entered their personality. And any addictions that were treated improperly are no longer considered to be normal. In addition, the outcome will undoubtedly be abnormal. Imagine, it's insane to kidnap your own daughter. Yuan has done it, and he didn't think that he had done it to her daughter or even her own blood.

Because a normal, rational parent would never subject their own child to such abuse. Such a person who suffers from an addiction needs counseling and rehabilitation to become better.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on September 01, 2023, 02:06:50 AM

Quote from: nullama on August 31, 2023, 05:03:40 AM

Yeah, that's basically how the casinos make their money.

It's basically free marketing when gambler boast about their wins, while ignoring all the times they have lost.

So in this way, the casino still gets free promotions from gamblers who win from the casino because it can make other people curious. They will also try their luck by playing at the casino. But if they lose at a gamble, they will become frustrated and wonder why they can't win the money the previous gamblers did. Those who are frustrated may go back to the casino and try to win but when they lose, they will complain to the gambler and ask how they won. But the madness of a gambling addict who loses from gambling will always make him return to the casino and keep trying to win.

I think that applies to all those bigger names in the industry who claim to have won huge amounts of money, but when someone here on the forum comes up with a new account and posts that he won hundreds of thousands of dollars at this casino, how do we even know that it is not someone from the casino itself? I can definitely imagine that this kind of fake promotion is part of a casino marketing campaign and of course it should sound realistic, but I wouldn't trust it blindly ever. Screenshots mean nothing as any employee who is authorized to do that marketing could create screenshots and so on.

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Quote from: nullama on August 31, 2023, 05:03:40 AM

Yeah, that's basically how the casinos make their money.

It's basically free marketing when gambler boast about their wins, while ignoring all the times they have lost.

So in this way, the casino still gets free promotions from gamblers who win from the casino because it can make other people curious. They will also try their luck by playing at the casino. But if they lose at a gamble, they will become frustrated and wonder why they can't win the money the previous gamblers did. Those who are frustrated may go back to the casino and try to win but when they lose, they will complain to the gambler and ask how they won. But the madness of a gambling addict who loses from gambling will always make him return to the casino and keep trying to win.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on August 30, 2023, 09:52:18 PM

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That is very true. But we might still be surprised that there are still people who want to try it for a while because they are tempted by the wins that other people get, which makes them interested. They will get loss after loss, which will reduce the money they bring into the casino and if they don't realize it, they will still lose that money.

And if they want to recover from their defeat, even then it will not be easy because after experiencing loss they will not be able to win immediately. It will only add to their despair and lead to prolonged frustration at not getting the desired win. But if they can really get the big win, they should immediately stop gambling and open a business to be able to make money from their business.

Yeah, that's basically how the casinos make their money.

It's basically free marketing when gambler boast about their wins, while ignoring all the times they have lost.

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Quote from: nullama on August 30, 2023, 01:10:07 AM

If someone wants to make gambling their main income, I can almost guarantee that the gambler will end up broke and with no job very soon.

It's simply not possible to gamble as a way of generating an income. The math behind it is very clear.

There's no way a person can consistently win against the casino. Maybe once they can get lucky, but they would have to retire after that. If they keep playing they will eventually lose it all.

That is very true. But we might still be surprised that there are still people who want to try it for a while because they are tempted by the wins that other people get, which makes them interested. They will get loss after loss, which will reduce the money they bring into the casino and if they don't realize it, they will still lose that money.

And if they want to recover from their defeat, even then it will not be easy because after experiencing loss they will not be able to win immediately. It will only add to their despair and lead to prolonged frustration at not getting the desired win. But if they can really get the big win, they should immediately stop gambling and open a business to be able to make money from their business.

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Quote from: Josefjix on August 30, 2023, 11:28:40 AM

Gambling makes addictive gamblers do the unbelievable things with a single decision. They don't think straightforward, rather always cunning and ready to do anything to wager on games, they won't even hesitate even though it involves selling of their properties just to raise money to gamble.

Yes, you are right because gambling addiction disorder is classified as a mental health disorder that occurs in a person. Someone who has experienced mental health problems or disorders, their mindset must be disturbed or unable to think normally. As in this case, the problem of gambling addiction is certain that their thoughts, rationality and positive norms will be inferior to their lust.
This is indeed the dark side that exists in the world of gambling, someone who cannot control their gambling addiction will definitely do negative things and end up breaking the law. The case mentioned by the OP is only one of many criminal cases that befall gambling addicts, we know that there are many more cases that are more extreme than this case and even involve criminal acts such as murder and selling human organs just to get money to overcome the gambling problem of gambling addicts.

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Quote from: nullama on August 30, 2023, 01:10:07 AM

Quote from: ethereumhunter on August 30, 2023, 12:30:54 AM

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That's true and I agree with you because if someone wants to make gambling his main income, he has to consider how much money he has to use to make money from gambling. And even though he already uses a lot of money to gamble, that won't guarantee he can make a lot of money, let alone continue to make gambling his main source of income. Maybe he needs to learn a lot to become a professional gambler before making gambling his main source of income.

I thought that a professional gambler could have a main source of income from gambling but it would still be difficult because things could change drastically. Moreover, we know that gambling is not a place to make money and only as entertainment. We also will only sometimes be able to get lucky because luck will only sometimes be with us every time we gamble. So we should abandon our intention to make gambling our main source of income and look for other places.

If someone wants to make gambling their main income, I can almost guarantee that the gambler will end up broke and with no job very soon.

It's simply not possible to gamble as a way of generating an income. The math behind it is very clear.

There's no way a person can consistently win against the casino. Maybe once they can get lucky, but they would have to retire after that. If they keep playing they will eventually lose it all.

99% of gambling players do not use deposit calculations, withdrawals, total losses and wins are not counted. When a player has been playing for a long time and has lost a lot of money, one day he will be given a max win of only 10% of the total deposit. when the hallucinations of high hopes for good gambling players are difficult to control. On the other hand, if a pro player might look for weaknesses in the casino strategically, this calculation can be a mainstay even though it doesn't always run 100% smoothly.

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Quote from: macson on April 27, 2023, 09:01:15 AM

A Shanghai man was sentenced to prison for kidnapping his own granddaughter so he could maintain his gambling addiction with the ransom money.

Gambling makes addictive gamblers do the unbelievable things with a single decision. They don't think straightforward, rather always cunning and ready to do anything to wager on games, they won't even hesitate even though it involves selling of their properties just to raise money to gamble. But in this scenario, the Shanghai man went too far, kidnapping your own grand-daughter for the purpose to raise money to paid off your pending debts. It's out of line and he will face the punishment for his actions. He should have sell of any important properties to raise the money or meet his son or daughter to help me with money, asking before taking actions would have been a different case.

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Quote from: Sebas.tian on August 30, 2023, 02:46:27 AM

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This is just another example of how gambling can ruin one's life. The old man has to serve his days in prison whereas he could have enjoyed those days with his family.
If only he would not have become so addicted to gambling he would have even saved a decent amount of money to live a peaceful life.
When people don't control their gambling habits their peace is taken away from their life and that is really a big deal.

That is why is not good to be addicted to gambling than to use wisdom to gamble in a way you can recover from your losses without involving yourself in kidnapping to get huge amount of money to bet or sell your potential properties just to gamble which is not advisable to gambler. I think, something like this always happened to those people who want to use $50,000 to make millions of dollars in a day, which it can lead them to bad things that will make them to spend the rest of their life in prison. I think, many people will learn a lesson from this incident that happened to this handsome young man to spend his precious life in the prison because he was addicted to gambling that made him to lost focus in life.

It is known fact because whoever has tried to go beyond their budget in gambling has suffered mental or physical pain.
It has happened to so many people that we have been hearing such stories every few weeks.
The cause for this has been the same and eventually the gambler had faced problems.
This is why everyone agree to the point that gambling should only be done for fun and not for profits.

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Quote from: TobeyHolo on August 27, 2023, 07:45:36 AM

Many individuals with gambling addictions harbor an optimistic bias that "the next bet will be the one."

It would have got to a certain point any gambler would have reason this the same way you presented it but the truth of it is that things doesn't appear the way we thought most times not until we experience the live conditions in them, maybe we could also have concealed a conclusion right from our mind on what may be the next outcome, but unfortunately we missed the whole thing at the end after knowing our thoughts was a wrong prediction totally different from the reality of what is happening with the bet we made while gambling.

This kind of thinking is what to this day destroys gamblers to become gambling addicts.
The thought that there will be something surprising after the next bet is something ridiculous but for a gambler it is a belief and sometimes it really happens and I have also experienced something like this but only a few times.
I have also experienced what you said, that sometimes I bet without thinking about profits or just because I want to have fun playing some games and actually get a decent profit, but when I try to think about whether after that I will get a profit the results are very bad.
Sometimes we often ignore thoughts like this, even though things like this must always be remembered that gambling is luck, there will be no good things in the next game unless you are lucky.

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Quote from: macson on April 27, 2023, 09:01:15 AM

A Shanghai man was sentenced to prison for kidnapping his own granddaughter so he could maintain his gambling addiction with the ransom money.

His mind looks very messed up for only daring kidnapping his own grandson just to get ransom, in my opinion this is the stupidest thing for someone who is addicted to gambling to harm his own family by involving small children who don't know anything

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Quote from: TobeyHolo on August 27, 2023, 07:45:36 AM

Many individuals with gambling addictions harbor an optimistic bias that "the next bet will be the one."

It would have got to a certain point any gambler would have reason this the same way you presented it but the truth of it is that things doesn't appear the way we thought most times not until we experience the live conditions in them, maybe we could also have concealed a conclusion right from our mind on what may be the next outcome, but unfortunately we missed the whole thing at the end after knowing our thoughts was a wrong prediction totally different from the reality of what is happening with the bet we made while gambling.

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This is just another example of how gambling can ruin one's life. The old man has to serve his days in prison whereas he could have enjoyed those days with his family.
If only he would not have become so addicted to gambling he would have even saved a decent amount of money to live a peaceful life.
When people don't control their gambling habits their peace is taken away from their life and that is really a big deal.

That is why is not good to be addicted to gambling than to use wisdom to gamble in a way you can recover from your losses without involving yourself in kidnapping to get huge amount of money to bet or sell your potential properties just to gamble which is not advisable to gambler. I think, something like this always happened to those people who want to use $50,000 to make millions of dollars in a day, which it can lead them to bad things that will make them to spend the rest of their life in prison. I think, many people will learn a lesson from this incident that happened to this handsome young man to spend his precious life in the prison because he was addicted to gambling that made him to lost focus in life.

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