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Jesus - I have spent that much of my time on this forum?
Topic: The no ad-sigs posters allowed topic - come and not be annoyed by rubbish posts - page 2. (Read 4970 times)
February 19, 2015, 03:40:15 PM
Jesus - I have spent that much of my time on this forum?
February 19, 2015, 03:37:03 PM
How could a forum algorithm determine if a signature is an ad-sig?
It wouldn't be that hard - as ad sigs tend to have a pretty "exact format" (I have read their posts).
But at the same time it wouldn't need to be algorithmically determined - it could be judged according to reports.
February 19, 2015, 03:35:57 PM
(there is no option to "hide all posts by ad-sig posters" which would be something I'd gladly use if it were available).
How could a forum algorithm determine if a signature is an ad-sig? February 19, 2015, 03:28:09 PM
just out of curiosity: did you delete posts?
Yes - many of the posts came from people that were "asked explicitly not to post" and that is part of the very problem I was bringing up.
People with any respect don't go into a church and graffiti do they?
But people in this forum will do that (they have no respect at all for anyone). Quite a few were very angry at me for even creating a single topic that didn't allow them to post in (so they think it is their *right* to post shit in every single topic in the forum).
As stated - I have actually met with *real poor people* (who don't even have internet) and they are not the nasty, childish sort of people you find here (so the posters here are not poor people at all - just people wanting to make money by any means they can by trying to *pretend* they are the poor).
February 19, 2015, 03:20:42 PM
In all truth this topic was an experiment to see how much better the quality of posting can be without the usual trolling and ad-sig posts.
Whilst not maybe perfect I do think it has ended up being a bit less *annoying* than most other topics have ended up becoming recently after several pages (as most have been polite to one another even if in disagreement which is the way I think it should be).
Of course I know that being a self-moderated topic the burden is on me to not overly "take control" and that is not an easy thing to do (so self-moderated topics are not necessarily the best mechanism) but a "free-for-all with ad-sigs" just ends up being something that no-one with any intellect has time for (which is partly why I tried this as I am now bored with most topics on this forum).
Whilst not maybe perfect I do think it has ended up being a bit less *annoying* than most other topics have ended up becoming recently after several pages (as most have been polite to one another even if in disagreement which is the way I think it should be).
Of course I know that being a self-moderated topic the burden is on me to not overly "take control" and that is not an easy thing to do (so self-moderated topics are not necessarily the best mechanism) but a "free-for-all with ad-sigs" just ends up being something that no-one with any intellect has time for (which is partly why I tried this as I am now bored with most topics on this forum).
just out of curiosity: did you delete posts?
(i try to avoid self-moderatored topics and i never every ignore anybody: i think self-censorship is worse than gov-cencorship)
edit: i share your opinion about "poor people". but i would not call it pride: they just seem to understand that its easier to live together than against each other - most of my friends are poor (i am not rich either...but i have enough to live comfortably)
February 19, 2015, 03:15:35 PM
In all truth this topic was an experiment to see how much better the quality of posting can be without the usual trolling and ad-sig posts.
Whilst not maybe perfect I do think it has ended up being a bit less *annoying* than most other topics have ended up becoming recently after several pages (as most have been polite to one another even if in disagreement which is the way I think it should be).
Of course I know that being a self-moderated topic the burden is on me to not overly "take control" and that is not an easy thing to do (so self-moderated topics are not necessarily the best mechanism) but a "free-for-all with ad-sigs" just ends up being something that no-one with any intellect has time for (which is partly why I tried this as I am now bored with most topics on this forum).
Whilst not maybe perfect I do think it has ended up being a bit less *annoying* than most other topics have ended up becoming recently after several pages (as most have been polite to one another even if in disagreement which is the way I think it should be).
Of course I know that being a self-moderated topic the burden is on me to not overly "take control" and that is not an easy thing to do (so self-moderated topics are not necessarily the best mechanism) but a "free-for-all with ad-sigs" just ends up being something that no-one with any intellect has time for (which is partly why I tried this as I am now bored with most topics on this forum).
February 19, 2015, 03:11:42 PM
InBit, you're completely missing the point of Kakmakr's comment. S/he was commenting on someone else's suggestion that forum users would need to keep a $100 balance of bitcoin in a wallet to be allowed to use this forum. Keeping that balance sitting idle in a BTC wallet could prevent poor people from participating in the forum, which would be an awful discrimination.
Excluding poor people from access to information by requiring wealth minimums goes against all the spirit of bitcoin.
Correct, the post wasn't clear but I think you are right so I deleted my posts. I apologize Kakmakr for reading too much into your comments.
Yeah, how do they say "follow the dollar"? Money is a great motivator for better and worse.
I am an anarcho-cap so have nothing against making profits.
Conscious comsumerism exists within capitalism and if the sig campaigns, moderators, and certain users cannot raise their standards themselves we will find market based solutions to meet our own needs.
This thread is one solution to this problem, another one would be leaving this forum to another one that has different standards or methods of enforcing spam, trolls, and shill accounts. Hopefully, it won't come down to that but some of us are so fed up that we are willing to do what is necessary to raise the discourse.
February 19, 2015, 03:02:32 PM
If the ad sigs could "pick up their game" then we'd have nothing to discuss here but I am not seeing that (the posts just get worse and worse).
I am not an anti-capitalist (perhaps I lean a bit towards libertarian but I don't have much in the way of political bias as I think all such systems have problems) but what I do know is that if you reward people for posting crap then they will post crap.
I am not an anti-capitalist (perhaps I lean a bit towards libertarian but I don't have much in the way of political bias as I think all such systems have problems) but what I do know is that if you reward people for posting crap then they will post crap.
Yeah, how do they say "follow the dollar"? Money is a great motivator for better and worse.
February 19, 2015, 03:00:47 PM
If the ad sigs could "pick up their game" then we'd have nothing to discuss here but I am not seeing that (the posts just get worse and worse).
I am not an anti-capitalist (perhaps I lean a bit towards libertarian but I don't have much in the way of a political bias as I think all such systems have problems) but what I do know is that if you reward people for posting crap then they will post crap.
It is hard to come up with the right way to make reward systems work - I am not against the concept but am not happy with the simplistic approach we see here that has led to the vast majority of rubbish posts I have been complaining about (and I am not the only one).
I am not an anti-capitalist (perhaps I lean a bit towards libertarian but I don't have much in the way of a political bias as I think all such systems have problems) but what I do know is that if you reward people for posting crap then they will post crap.
It is hard to come up with the right way to make reward systems work - I am not against the concept but am not happy with the simplistic approach we see here that has led to the vast majority of rubbish posts I have been complaining about (and I am not the only one).
February 19, 2015, 02:56:30 PM
Excluding poor people from access to information by requiring wealth minimums goes against all the spirit of bitcoin.
I do agree - but perhaps limiting access to certain boards according to either such a deposit (or proven worth in posting) could make the experience better for those that aren't just here to make a few cents from pointless posts.
(so the newbie boards could allow all the rubbish you want)
Perhaps what you have not *got* is that "trying to be nice to poor people" doesn't mean you should let them "shit in your lounge" (and in fact most poor people have more pride than that anyway so we aren't really talking about poor people here).
CIYAM, this is a good point. The technical and project based boards don't need the naively curious posts, especially when answers one newbie seeks can be found through Google search rather than slowing down the conversation for everyone else. I'm a capitalist, I agree with your "shit in the road" analogy, however I'll argue that we're penalizing the masses for the errors, 'shitting' so to speak of a few. (I don't expect to turn you with my argument, by the way.)
The suggestion that's being rebutted, to require forum users maintain a balance is not related to the ad sig issue. The person was suggesting access to the forum only be allowed if one holds a minimum balance, I disagree with that on every level.
Finally, it's really the fault of the ad sig campaigns to police their campaign. They need to make good on the threats that they won't pay for non-constructive posts. Non payment will be as effective as payment is for the clutter.
I'll now bid you farewell because I'm feeling compelled to enter the dark side. I'm a capitalist, I'm attracted to the opportunity to earn some coin and in the process spread the bitcoin economy further. I'll likely be joining a campaign soon, which will have you deleting my post. It's been a fun conversation and I'll be carrying forward the principle to only make comments that contribute to conversation. I'd hate to lose the privilege to participate on this forum.
Happy New Year!
February 19, 2015, 02:47:44 PM
Excluding poor people from access to information by requiring wealth minimums goes against all the spirit of bitcoin.
I do agree - but perhaps limiting access to certain boards according to either such a deposit (or proven worth in posting) could make the experience better for those that aren't just here to make a few cents from pointless posts.
(so the newbie boards could allow all the rubbish you want)
But perhaps what you have not *got* is that "trying to be nice to poor people" doesn't mean you should let them "shit in your lounge" (and in fact most poor people have more pride than that anyway so we aren't really talking about poor people here).
Maybe unlike a lot of people here I have actually *met* poor people in remote Chinese villages and they behave in a much more respectful manner than most people in general posting in this forum do (they have a thing called "pride" which ad-sig posters seem to lack altogether).
So "allowing people to post shit" in the name of "being nice to poor people" is actually a very arrogant concept created by rich people that don't actually understand much about "poor people" at all (perhaps their only experience is *beggars* in a city).
February 19, 2015, 02:45:34 PM
You are speaking to the wrong person here, I am against excluding poor people from public forums.
There seems to be a respect problem around here, towards disadvantaged people, and it's not coming from me.
There seems to be a respect problem around here, towards disadvantaged people, and it's not coming from me.
Why do you assume that "poor people" will be excluded from this thread or are forced to promote sig campaigns (Most of which promote either ponzi's or gambling sites)? Being wealthy or poor does not remove your agency or responsibility and thus your comment is a non sequitur.
You are being extremely insulting to certain economic classes insinuating they will be excluded from this thread because they all need to peddle shit for a few satoshis. Many poor people are hard workers and with good ethical principles that actively choose to avoid sig campaigns.
InBit, you're completely missing the point of Kakmakr's comment. S/he was commenting on someone else's suggestion that forum users would need to keep a $100 balance of bitcoin in a wallet to be allowed to use this forum. Keeping that balance sitting idle in a BTC wallet could prevent poor people from participating in the forum, which would be an awful discrimination.
Excluding poor people from access to information by requiring wealth minimums goes against all the spirit of bitcoin.
February 18, 2015, 11:11:59 AM
Actually those aren't reflections (I opened the window).
It was so loud and close that I couldn't hold the camera without shaking a bit.
(the building you see is part of the same complex and only around 50 metres away the fireworks are being set off between the buildings by residents of the complex)
It was so loud and close that I couldn't hold the camera without shaking a bit.
(the building you see is part of the same complex and only around 50 metres away the fireworks are being set off between the buildings by residents of the complex)
February 18, 2015, 11:08:08 AM
Here is a shot I just took from my apartment window (was a little scary actually).
nice
wish you a good time(too bad other houses are reflected in the window - but please keep it closed and stay safe - we need you ;p)
February 18, 2015, 10:49:25 AM
Here is a shot I just took from my apartment window (was a little scary actually).
February 18, 2015, 10:35:19 AM
You are correct that posts from ignored individuals do still bump threads (unfortunately), but I don't see any of the avatars and I only see the content of their posts if someone else quotes them.
This is why a moderated thread like this one offers a few advantages above simply having a large ignore list.
Quotes will expose the garbage coming from those being ignored and there are always new accounts being created that need to be added to the ignore list.
From reviewing your list I see it is good but is a bit overzealous because -
1) I don't want to ignore users with sig campaigns that may remove them in the future(sometimes politely telling them that their sig campaign promotes a ponzi actually is effective in motivating them to drop it or they simply reform on their own)
2) Their are a few trolls on here who do occasionally write some good posts
3) I don't care if someone is mean, aggressive, or a general asshole as long as the content of their post has value. Sometimes it is good to hear aggressive criticism from a jerk. Cruelty and offensive language can be annoying but won't add someone to my list in itself.
Here is my current ignore list for anyone interested:
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kwukduck
billyjoeallen
bzzard
Xiaoxiao
myself
yuyu123
solitude
HELP.org
sublime5447
hayabusa911
mmitech
digitalindustry
awas
ShroomsKit
Ivanhoe
hamiltino
bluemeanie1
Eamorr
JohnyBigs
awesome31312
TKeenan
Interized
tanil
Chicago
exocytosis
TheDreadPirateDickstein
mayax
RawDog
amaclin
unusualfacts30
cosmofly
youngmike
ipoomyself
Redawn
Errror
ratcheterians
dagelf
redhawk979
gustav
Polycoin
~Coinseeker~
FatherBob
NotLambchop
AlexWattrelos9
DaveWave
Blazin604
pd62512005
Bitcoin Magazine
Moon Follow Me
fonsie
danielpbarron
AMVM
nutildah
blumenwiese
timmy1979222
wesk1212
Satan666
traincarswreck
blueminerneedsfoodbadly
cyberpinoy
Diatoms
NEM minnow
prayoga
ignitiondefect
tirex
Impros88
markBG
smalltimer
altcoinlady
newastrum
247bitcoinnewscom
21M Bitcoin
aithre
elix
complexity0
lzr300
Ume
1anonymous
DeadCoin
Bobtimus
baphomet33
bitcoinwilldie
ice bucket
fuckbtc3322
Solidsmart
ccpfuckbtc
PapaEmeritus
ivanovasmd
blitzbad
Rat_Poison
dragonlord123
247casino
Yoshi24517
smoothal
Tumoko Sakate
navneetkaur34
coingi.com
rshedbale7
geoh
FastForwarded
kazuki49
dewie
geegaw
el_tigre_chino
sonata789
alainbraux
adardos
vendor.seller
jinnaa
J3VVL
moneytakenbybtce
Sarah_Btc
bitcoinsforya
elinehaarbollen
fat buddah
dancing altcoin shiva
waaat?
altcoin hitler
homo homini lupus
Pecunia non olet
Muuurrrrica!
a fool and his money ...
insidertradingeverywhere
Mr. Burns
dave01
trumpclump
ikeboy
Shouganai
HarryPotHead
SockPuppetAccount
I_IZ_DEKAY5
DecentralizeEconomics
penny_coins
PlayaPlayaPlaya
heybanana
ashinners1980
popejubs
And.L
troll_alert
TruthBear
Warren Buffert
oyasumi
NotHatinJustTrollin
Nordark
Btcshithole
FUDpolicia
XPY_BALLA$
Peace_to_Paycoin
Stop_fudding_nerds
DigitalCynic
mobmob
sh!tcoin101
bitcoinface
dildofag
microbial
thebityoda
junagwaps
Eastfist
JBits
Gav1nFucksGoats
btcdad19
Bitcoin Rasta
Uncle Axetime
DrSeuss
btcwisdom1900
lamaorcoins
Jhontion
billyjoeallen
bzzard
Xiaoxiao
myself
yuyu123
solitude
HELP.org
sublime5447
hayabusa911
mmitech
digitalindustry
awas
ShroomsKit
Ivanhoe
hamiltino
bluemeanie1
Eamorr
JohnyBigs
awesome31312
TKeenan
Interized
tanil
Chicago
exocytosis
TheDreadPirateDickstein
mayax
RawDog
amaclin
unusualfacts30
cosmofly
youngmike
ipoomyself
Redawn
Errror
ratcheterians
dagelf
redhawk979
gustav
Polycoin
~Coinseeker~
FatherBob
NotLambchop
AlexWattrelos9
DaveWave
Blazin604
pd62512005
Bitcoin Magazine
Moon Follow Me
fonsie
danielpbarron
AMVM
nutildah
blumenwiese
timmy1979222
wesk1212
Satan666
traincarswreck
blueminerneedsfoodbadly
cyberpinoy
Diatoms
NEM minnow
prayoga
ignitiondefect
tirex
Impros88
markBG
smalltimer
altcoinlady
newastrum
247bitcoinnewscom
21M Bitcoin
aithre
elix
complexity0
lzr300
Ume
1anonymous
DeadCoin
Bobtimus
baphomet33
bitcoinwilldie
ice bucket
fuckbtc3322
Solidsmart
ccpfuckbtc
PapaEmeritus
ivanovasmd
blitzbad
Rat_Poison
dragonlord123
247casino
Yoshi24517
smoothal
Tumoko Sakate
navneetkaur34
coingi.com
rshedbale7
geoh
FastForwarded
kazuki49
dewie
geegaw
el_tigre_chino
sonata789
alainbraux
adardos
vendor.seller
jinnaa
J3VVL
moneytakenbybtce
Sarah_Btc
bitcoinsforya
elinehaarbollen
fat buddah
dancing altcoin shiva
waaat?
altcoin hitler
homo homini lupus
Pecunia non olet
Muuurrrrica!
a fool and his money ...
insidertradingeverywhere
Mr. Burns
dave01
trumpclump
ikeboy
Shouganai
HarryPotHead
SockPuppetAccount
I_IZ_DEKAY5
DecentralizeEconomics
penny_coins
PlayaPlayaPlaya
heybanana
ashinners1980
popejubs
And.L
troll_alert
TruthBear
Warren Buffert
oyasumi
NotHatinJustTrollin
Nordark
Btcshithole
FUDpolicia
XPY_BALLA$
Peace_to_Paycoin
Stop_fudding_nerds
DigitalCynic
mobmob
sh!tcoin101
bitcoinface
dildofag
microbial
thebityoda
junagwaps
Eastfist
JBits
Gav1nFucksGoats
btcdad19
Bitcoin Rasta
Uncle Axetime
DrSeuss
btcwisdom1900
lamaorcoins
Jhontion
February 18, 2015, 10:31:51 AM
I'm trying to move on to other topics, but since you've asked . . .
Thanks for your patience (as ever).
It is now approaching Chinese New Year and the fireworks are steadily building up outside. I'll see if I can post a photo here when it "goes off" at midnight.
February 18, 2015, 10:28:19 AM
I'm trying to move on to other topics, but since you've asked . . .
Here's what I see:
After about 3 days of seeing that pattern my brain was trained to tune it out and I barely even notice it.
However, if a response that someone else posts gives the impression that I've just missed something worth reading, it's just a quick click of the "show/hide" link on the right to see what was said. And if I feel that the post demonstrates that the user is a valuable contributor to the discussion after all, a quick click of the "Unignore" link on the left brings them back. This allows me to blanket ignore everyone with a sig ad, and then unignore without a lot of effort once they've proven themselves.
When I only had 2 or 3 sig ad users unignored, it was pretty easy to recognize the userID and avoid re-ignoring them accidentally. More recently I'm probably closer to a dozen sig ad users that I've un-ignored. I've occasionally re-ignored some of them because I saw the sig ad and reflexively clicked the ignore without recognizing that they were intentionally unignored. That's why I've decided to create my own list offline of sig ad users I've chosen to unignore. I can then occasionally compare that list to my ignore list to make sure that I haven't accidentally re-ignored someone that I didn't intend to.
You are right though, this does add some additional effort on my part to use the forum. I find that the minimal effort that I'm making is worth the vast improvement in my experience using the site. If the forum would create some tools that would make this process simper or unnecessary, I'd be very happy.
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Also don't you still see "this person is currently being ignored" or the like?
Also don't you still see "this person is currently being ignored" or the like?
Here's what I see:
After about 3 days of seeing that pattern my brain was trained to tune it out and I barely even notice it.
However, if a response that someone else posts gives the impression that I've just missed something worth reading, it's just a quick click of the "show/hide" link on the right to see what was said. And if I feel that the post demonstrates that the user is a valuable contributor to the discussion after all, a quick click of the "Unignore" link on the left brings them back. This allows me to blanket ignore everyone with a sig ad, and then unignore without a lot of effort once they've proven themselves.
When I only had 2 or 3 sig ad users unignored, it was pretty easy to recognize the userID and avoid re-ignoring them accidentally. More recently I'm probably closer to a dozen sig ad users that I've un-ignored. I've occasionally re-ignored some of them because I saw the sig ad and reflexively clicked the ignore without recognizing that they were intentionally unignored. That's why I've decided to create my own list offline of sig ad users I've chosen to unignore. I can then occasionally compare that list to my ignore list to make sure that I haven't accidentally re-ignored someone that I didn't intend to.
You are right though, this does add some additional effort on my part to use the forum. I find that the minimal effort that I'm making is worth the vast improvement in my experience using the site. If the forum would create some tools that would make this process simper or unnecessary, I'd be very happy.
February 18, 2015, 10:05:07 AM
It really has made a huge difference in the usability and value that I get from the forum.
I am certainly going to consider it (up until now I only have only ever put a few people on ignore due to personal attacks that just got a bit too annoying and I think those people were either expelled from the forum or left under a cloud anyway now).
Also don't you still see "this person is currently being ignored" or the like?
In my own forum implementation you don't see their post at all (not sure about the bumping though - would have to check my code but I think I did also handle that from memory). Thus people you ignore in CIYAM Open really just disappear (apart from quotes of course).
February 18, 2015, 10:02:45 AM
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BTW although I do appreciate your ignore list I find ignores are not so great as I still end up seeing the poster's avatar and I think the topics still get bumped don't they?
BTW although I do appreciate your ignore list I find ignores are not so great as I still end up seeing the poster's avatar and I think the topics still get bumped don't they?
You are correct that posts from ignored individuals do still bump threads (unfortunately), but I don't see any of the avatars and I only see the content of their posts if someone else quotes them.
This makes it very fast and easy to scan the tail end of a bumped thread and move on if all of the recent posters are ignored. Otherwise I'd need to scan through the content of each post just to realize that I'm spending a lot of time attempting to make sense of nonsense.
It really has made a huge difference in the usability and value that I get from the forum.
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