The no ad-sigs posters allowed topic - come and not be annoyed by rubbish posts - page 4.

CoinCidental

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Quote from: CIYAM on February 16, 2015, 11:17:13 AM

I am getting so sick of seeing pointless, rubbish ad-sig posts in every single topic on this forum that I have started this topic just to allow others that have something that might be of any actual interest to others to post in.

Rules are:

1. If you have an ad-sig then I will delete your post no matter how "relevant" you think it is (go and post somewhere else - you have plenty of places to do that and I am sick of you guys trying to "defend yourselves").

2. If you post crap or abuse I'll delete that too.

Let's see if it is possible to actually have some enlightened posts on this forum again.

this thread is a breath of fresh air ,it makes more sense than the mindless drivel in most of the other threads combined
hopefully more people will self moderate threads to get away from this spam problem ,its really turned the forum to shit compared to what it was like a couple of years back

DannyHamilton

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Quote from: onemorebtc on February 16, 2015, 10:06:39 PM

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but... David Latapie? why?

Perhaps he has participated in a sig ad campaign?

Quote from: DannyHamilton on February 16, 2015, 09:53:35 PM

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Generally you get on my ignore list in one of the following 8 ways:

You have participated in a sig ad campaign

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onemorebtc

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DannyHamilton

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Quote from: CIYAM on February 16, 2015, 01:41:22 PM

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if you want a "nice experience" on this forum now you have to either spend most of your time clicking Ignore for every ad-sig poster
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Save yourself a lot of clicking.

This link should take you to your personal ignore list:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;sa=ignprefs

Then just copy and paste the 323 names from my ignore list into your own. When I just looked, I was surprised to find there were only 323 names. I expected it to by more than 1,000.

My current ignore list:

Code:

Decksperiment
bitpop
Anders
rupy
RobertRibbeck
becoin
the founder
Edward50
the joint
smoothie
onis_uk
ajareselde
Bitsky
2112
Viceroy
DrG
ElectricMucus
LoupGaroux
Come-from-Beyond
jeffersonairplane
Cranky4u
MPOE-PR
DubFX
vm1990
Beymond
mem
Justin00
kuverty
Entropy-uc
zyk
solareclipse64236
bigasic
Gyrsur
MichaelBliss
SteamGamesBTC.com
onealfa
kingcolex
Atlas
PuertoLibre
oli123123
subSTRATA
oceans
Rob E
koelen3
crazyearner
remotemass
Xch4ng3
rapidfire187
zahra4571
btcusr
Razick
bryant.coleman
SouthernComfort
sublime5447
Actor_Tom_Truong
rastaj
0dayatciyam.org
Parazyd
townf
ironcross360
BTCBUDDY1
David Latapie
UncleBuckRIU
Bitcoin Megastore
galbros
mai77
hellscabane
turvarya
ALToids
digitalindustry
HeroC
Paleus
ashleysly
byt411
wopwop
AnonyMint
freedomno1
countryfree
superbitguy
Twipple
RDMINER
elebit
legendster
UtahNewbie
qwerty555
magicmexican
deadley
puffpuffpass
bitcoinplay
Loozik
Fernandez
nwfella
Brewins
cryptocoiner
jeffhuys
medUSA
zimmah
DolanDuck
Eamorr
Rannasha
pedrog
JohnRambo
Mitchełł
miningman69
souspeed
JohnyBigs
superresistant
niothor
CEG5952
NewLiberty
awesome31312
bl4kjaguar
minerpumpkin
Spayse
smaragda
makebitcoin
crumbs
Baitty
mistercoin
InwardContour
DannyElfman
ShakyhandsBTCer
joshraban76
WaverleyStreet
cowanjeffrey93
coinpr0n
tryptamind
thermos
fleabag
Harley997
CAMTRONNNNN
acs267
erikalui
activebiz
Kyraishi
littlemisszigzag114
jacktheking
TheoryOfBitcoin
jambola2
lucolo
cxboyminer
gwedo
TheGambler
zhinkk
Sniar
Bralex
arallmuus
havecoch
dbshck
saif92
gondel
TKeenan
ANiceJewishBoy
godislove
tins
MoreBloodWine
Dealazer
hdbuck
buggrock
roslinpl
beetcoin
Musent
AuroraHF
Lucky Cris
elephantas1
ljudotina
sgk
7Priest7
Buziss
no141
giveBTCpls
Skele
moriartybitcoin
Cryptopher
mezmerizer9
EcuaMobi
soumyasmruti
sifter
Sheldor333
TrailingComet
RJX
iluvpie60
wadili89
Acidyo
nishtrip15
Initscri
trynmpo
keithers
CryptoCurrencyInc.com
d2dtk
dquancey
debuni
williamj2543
unsoindovo
Cryptogirl82
Glizlack
CaptainBeck
tss
newIndia
Gianluca95
Lox500
Mrrr
lynn_402
Gazza1
thethingis
redsn0w
Reynaldo
youngmike
cech4204a
Jackson_cali
boumalo
Sydboy
mattboldfield
ipoomyself
Biodom
MICRO
franckuestein
cryptocurrencylive
antibitcoinconsortium
unamis76
whatsthestory
derpberp
Relnarien
sugarpuff
bobos15
Hazir
Snorek
croato
turtlehurricane
Slark
Polycoin
Malin Keshar
e1ghtSpace
NeuroticFish
unlock.mk
leex1528
melody82
Ingatqhvq
Agestorzrxx
PolarPoint
Nerazzura
Ron~Popeil
skooter
madmat
Bitcoin Magazine
Gyfts
toinewx
CrapMan
1Referee
cryptworld
picolo
bitkilo
xingming
paradoxal420
Jr65
najzenmajsen
RocketSingh
Honeybooboo
Kprawn
E-C.Guru
ezimedia
Umer
alistar
ranochigo
Febo
ThomasCrowne
polynesia
paythrough_team
xcapator
caga
nextblast
gbooz
Impros88
BanksWorstFear
Q7
kolloh
irfan_pak10
Possum577
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AnswerQuestion
Rum152
pitham1
coinableS
BitcoinCitizen86403
mllenios
twister
Stargazer
rikfredsy
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9kv
tilray
Chuckee
BigGameCAsino
SamTsuedo
finnile
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cheekychap
noma
bitcoindiediedie
LordSonjai
AtheistAKASaneBrain
BillyBobZorton
thejaytiesto
manselr
oblivi
pereira4
BitMos
dragonlord123
UnunoctiumTesticles
dsly
Herbert2020
MakingMoneyHoney
rsky
GratefulCoin
Muuurrrrica!
lenok
SargeR33
tafflesnout
Arnab biswas
Coin-Analytics
Passprot
michinzx

Voila! A much more pleasant bitcointalk experience.

I've also decided today to keep a separate list offline of the people that I have chosen to "unignore" (those who have demonstrated an ability to consistently create worthwhile posts even though they are participating in a sig campaign). That way I won't keep accidentally adding them to my ignore list and having to re-remove them.

Note: There are some people on my ignore list for reasons other than sig ad spam. You may want to quickly review the list before adding it to your own to avoid ignoring someone that you recognize as posting stuff that you like to read. Generally you get on my ignore list in one of the following 8 ways:

You have participated in a sig ad campaign
You have had a sig that I mistakenly thought was part of a sig ad campaign
You have consistently acted as a troll
You have consitently acted to start a flame or to increase and continue an existing flame
You have consistently posted nonsense or ridiculous "facts"
You have exceeded my patience in your refusal to pay attention to something that was being explained to you
You have made aggressive and threatening posts
You have exceeded my patience with posts that contained profanity and offensive language

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Quote from: jonald_fyookball on February 16, 2015, 09:19:40 PM

how do ad sig campaigns benefit the forum?

why not just force advertisers to buy ad space from the forum directly?

Well, as far as I know its the only legit way to get bitcoin since faucets are a waste of time. It's normal that some people shitpost a bit sometimes. The guys on sig campaigns are redistributing bitcoin to poor fellows. Specially if the guy is in a country like Indonesia or god knows where, these guys could be getting money way above minimum salary. So for me the sig campaign runners are doing god's work by letting people get small but decent amounts of bitcoin. Not everyone is a great coder or whatever that can offer profesional services in this very competitive world. And most people with regular jobs dont have the time to work part time to get bitcoin or risk their small salaries it.

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Quote from: jonald_fyookball on February 16, 2015, 09:19:40 PM

how do ad sig campaigns benefit the forum?

why not just force advertisers to buy ad space from the forum directly?

There are conflicting interests at play and not all of them profit driven. Some reasons being a free speech issue , some reasons being that some staff and moderators are likely involved in certain companies that run sig campaigns and don't want to have to pay a higher cpm, and others likely fear a sharp drop off in new members and traffic to this site.

The last item is what allows them to charge higher fees to paid advertisers and they don't want to spoil that even though they could potentially gain more money by forcing certain sig campaigns to by adspace directly with them.

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Core dev leaves me neg feedback #abuse #political

how do ad sig campaigns benefit the forum?

why not just force advertisers to buy ad space from the forum directly?

steeev

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hi ian,

Although lacking any technical expertise, i do like to read discussions and threads on various aspects of
Bitcoin, and lately there's been a fair amount of talk around the block size limit, and around the idea to increase it to 20MB...

i recently read 'Economic Fallacies and the Block Size Limit, part 1 and 2' by Justus Ranvier -

https://bitcoinism.liberty.me/2015/01/21/economic-fallacies-and-the-block-size-limit-part-1-scarcity/

https://bitcoinism.liberty.me/2015/02/09/economic-fallacies-and-the-block-size-limit-part-2-price-discovery/

i wondered if you have read this, and any considerations you have of what is being proposed, as it takes rather a different approach to the idea being more broadly discussed.

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Quote from: abyrnes81 on February 16, 2015, 02:21:34 PM

Ok thanks for your information. Everyone of us have his personal thought of what is "constructive" and what is not constructive

Apart from +1 posts I see plenty of posts that say (in very poor English) "I don't understand this topic as it is way too technical" (always from ad-sig posters).

I think it would be hard to find many that think such posts are "constructive" in any way at all.

And I know for a fact that Danny (who tries very hard to help out newbies) is constantly fighting against people offering "bad advice" (based upon "completely factually incorrect" statements and assumptions just because they are trying to earn BTC from their ad-sig).

abyrnes81

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Quote from: CIYAM on February 16, 2015, 02:17:03 PM

Quote from: abyrnes81 on February 16, 2015, 02:13:21 PM

If a member with no ad-sign (like me) posted a "rubbish" post (your definition) in one of the board that you have reported (Technical Development and Project Development).

Will this it "right" for you? is it a problem?

It is not "up to me" to decide the quality of posts (that should be up to the majority who have an interest in the particular area to decide).

But I think that the majority of us would probably agree that a +1 post is of zero interest.

Ok thanks for your information. Everyone of us have his personal thought of what is "constructive" and what is not constructive

DannyHamilton

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Quote from: abyrnes81 on February 16, 2015, 02:13:21 PM

If a member with no ad-sign (like me) posted a "rubbish" post (your definition) in one of the board that you have reported (Technical Development and Project Development).

Will this it "right" for you? is it a problem?

I would report the post as being "off-topic" and a moderator would remove it.

Since there wouldn't be any incentive to create such posts, there wouldn't be very many of them to deal with.

With sig ad campaigns, there is a monetary incentive to continue to create many off-topic, unnecessary, useless, unhelpful posts. Therefore reporting the post and having it removed is insufficient. It will simply be followed with more and more of the same.

CIYAM

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Quote from: abyrnes81 on February 16, 2015, 02:13:21 PM

If a member with no ad-sign (like me) posted a "rubbish" post (your definition) in one of the board that you have reported (Technical Development and Project Development).

Will this it "right" for you? is it a problem?

It is not "up to me" to decide the quality of posts (that should be up to the majority who have an interest in the particular area to decide).

But I think that the majority of us would probably agree that a +1 post is of zero interest.

CIYAM

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Ian Knowles - CIYAM Lead Developer

I incorrectly deleted a post which I just assumed was from an ad-sig due to having a "colourful sig". I admit that was my mistake but this is unfortunately the kind of problem that this whole ad-sig thing has led to (and I do not have "saint-like" patience like Danny) as we just become conditioned to ignoring posts with colorful sigs in the assumption that it is not even worth reading.

inBitweTrust

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I like this idea and it is likely that the future forum will include sigs as the forum operators are incentivised by a high traffic site all these shill accounts create regardless of the quality of posts. Thus we may need to create our own solution.

The one problem I see is searching through and reading one long thread is problematic if one wants to focus on a specific topic or news item.

Perhaps the solution is to each create new self moderated threads for every new topic and have a 1 sentence explanation in each of our sigs that all posts that break forum rules and/or contain paid sigs will immediately be deleted?

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Quote from: CIYAM on February 16, 2015, 01:51:38 PM

Then let them do that in a "newbie" area (I wish they would bring that back) and ban it elsewhere.

To be more clear IMO areas to do with Technical Development and Project Development (the more serious areas of this forum) should really be "off-bounds" for rubbish posts (in areas such as Speculation which I don't go near anyway I couldn't really care less).

If a member with no ad-sign (like me) posted a "rubbish" post (your definition) in one of the board that you have reported (Technical Development and Project Development).

Will this it "right" for you? is it a problem?

DannyHamilton

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Quote from: abyrnes81 on February 16, 2015, 01:47:48 PM

Quote from: DannyHamilton on February 16, 2015, 01:41:44 PM

Quote from: runam0k on February 16, 2015, 01:33:40 PM

You know you can hide all user sigs, right?

That's a horrible idea.

Then how would I know who to click "ignore" on?

Wear/put an ad-sig doesn't mean you will pubblish a "not constructive" posts. Maybe some users have a different opinion, this is normal.

No. It doesn't mean you WILL publish "not constructive" posts, but it raises the likelihood beyond a level that I'm interested in tolerating (I think many members of this forum can confirm I have a rather high tolerance for newbie posts). As such, I'm happy to miss out on the occasional single constructive post in order to avoid needing to scan through thousands of crap posts.

And individuals that actually want to participate constructively will find that there is an incentive to not include sig spam (as most constructive members will be ignoring anything they say).

CIYAM

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Then let them do that in a "newbie" area (I wish they would bring that back) and ban it elsewhere.

To be more clear IMO areas to do with Technical Development and Project Development (the more serious areas of this forum) should really be "off-bounds" for rubbish posts (in areas such as Speculation which I don't go near anyway I couldn't really care less).

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Quote from: abyrnes81 on February 16, 2015, 01:39:15 PM

So is not it better to disable the sig view and let people write (and you will delete all the not constructive posts)?

It's gotten to the point where I don't even need to bother to read the posts from the sig spammers in order to decide if they are useful or not. The huge majority of the time, they are just spam. Therefor the sigs themselves actually make it easier to know who to ignore and I am comfortable with the fact that I may miss an occasional useful post from a sig spammer.

The best solution is one which entirely removes the incentive to spam.

I don't think the signature campaigns will be totally banned, it is a "way" for the newbies (or better to those don't have the possibility to buy BTC) for make some "free" bitcoins.

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Quote from: abyrnes81 on February 16, 2015, 01:47:48 PM

Wear/put an ad-sig doesn't mean you will pubblish a "not constructive" posts. Maybe some users have a different opinion, this is normal.

Unfortunately as others are agreeing to here - the *vast majority* of ad-sig posts are just rubbish (so just because 1 out of 100 could be useful doesn't make it something we should just put up with).

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Quote from: CIYAM on February 16, 2015, 01:41:22 PM

Quote from: abyrnes81 on February 16, 2015, 01:39:15 PM

So is not it better to disable the sig view and let people write (and you will delete all the not constructive posts)?

And that is the issue - if you want a "nice experience" on this forum now you have to either spend most of your time clicking Ignore for every ad-sig poster (which could eventually cause performance issues depending upon how that is actually implemented) or create a self-moderated topic like this one and monitor every post like a hawk (I have already deleted around 6 and that's in a topic that specifically says "no ad-sig posters allowed").

You are right.

Quote from: DannyHamilton on February 16, 2015, 01:41:44 PM

Quote from: runam0k on February 16, 2015, 01:33:40 PM

You know you can hide all user sigs, right?

That's a horrible idea.

Then how would I know who to click "ignore" on?

Wear/put an ad-sig doesn't mean you will pubblish a "not constructive" posts. Maybe some users have a different opinion, this is normal.

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