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Topic: The Pharmacist,actmyname,Vod.. The mafia trying to get controll of bitcointalk ? - page 2. (Read 2836 times)

legendary
Activity: 2744
Merit: 1193
I don't believe in denial.
[...] let members make their own trust lists.

Isn't that how it works now...?  Lips sealed

legendary
Activity: 1511
Merit: 1072
quack
Honestly, sometimes I think we should just get rid of the trust system and just let users leave feedback that doesn't effect a score, but of course this would really only benefit scammers who would then have a field day without their red paint, but maybe we should just let people be reckless with their own money. Whatever we do to try curb abuse people will just abuse that or find a way to game it so there's nothing we can really do to please everyone.

In my opinion, a much better option is to add lots of new DT1 members. Current system is an elite system. It needs more DT1 members so it loses its "high status" it currently has while not serving its purpose properly. Current DT1 members are highly inactive, and those few who are responsive are not really into adding more DT2 members, because apparently current DT1/DT2 is very unwelcome against new members. It's an elite club, and it has tribes, and that is not the purpose of DT at all. I wouldn't be against ditching the whole DT system completely.. and let members make their own trust lists.
legendary
Activity: 2744
Merit: 1193
I don't believe in denial.
[...] Isn't the collateral will be in deposit to the person who give the loan or escrow so the person who needs loan can't actually do anything with it ?
So searching to sell the collateral and also offer it for loan in same place its not something that can affect the person who give the loan or i am wrong?
Soon as the escrow or the person who give the loan takes the collateral, the person who needs loan can't do anything with it because its not in his position.
So i understand so far searching for the best way to earn fast money either ask for loan with valid collateral and in same place selling the collateral is something wrong.
I guess the person who needs loan searching for the fastest way to get this money either by loan with collateral or sell the collateral.
The only bad thing leaves here that the person who request the loan proves he's not even thinking to repay his loan consider he's also selling his collateral.

[...] how im going to sell something  that i use as collateral ? iwas trying either to sell it or get loan by that moment so if i ahve sell it i cant use it as collateral and if i get a loan i cant sellits eassy as 1,2,3

The fact that someone even tries to sell the asset that has been offered for collateral is reason enough for a lot of people to mistrust someone... for you two it isn't, OK. But for a lot of other people it is (whether you think it is "fair" or "logical" is irrelevant)... I hope you learned that lesson.
sr. member
Activity: 1250
Merit: 295
Palestine
Its not my business and nothing i have to do with but i don't get the idea about any red trust based on selling the collateral you providing for loan request. [...] I would like to understand why that's something which should be punished with red trust. [...]

Let's see:

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collateral (kɒˈlætərəl; kə-)
   1. (Banking & Finance)
      a. security pledged for the repayment of a loan

So while the loan is still outstanding, the "collateral" is still "pledged". If someone tries to sell the collateral while the loan has not been payed in full (plus interest, if agreed upon), that person is deemed to be either a) stupid (which justifies a negative trust rating so people know not to do business with that person) or, b) untrustworthy (which justifies a negative trust rating so people know not to do business with that person)...
Isn't the collateral will be in deposit to the person who give the loan or escrow so the person who needs loan can't actually do anything with it ?
So searching to sell the collateral and also offer it for loan in same place its not something that can affect the person who give the loan or i am wrong?
Soon as the escrow or the person who give the loan takes the collateral, the person who needs loan can't do anything with it because its not in his position.
So i understand so far searching for the best way to earn fast money either ask for loan with valid collateral and in same place selling the collateral is something wrong.
I guess the person who needs loan searching for the fastest way to get this money either by loan with collateral or sell the collateral.
The only bad thing leaves here that the person who request the loan proves he's not even thinking to repay his loan consider he's also selling his collateral.
how im going to sell something  that i use as collateral ? iwas trying either to sell it or get loan by that moment so if i ahve sell it i cant use it as collateral and if i get a loan i cant sellits eassy as 1,2,3
member
Activity: 350
Merit: 22
Its not my business and nothing i have to do with but i don't get the idea about any red trust based on selling the collateral you providing for loan request. [...] I would like to understand why that's something which should be punished with red trust. [...]

Let's see:

Quote
collateral (kɒˈlætərəl; kə-)
   1. (Banking & Finance)
      a. security pledged for the repayment of a loan

So while the loan is still outstanding, the "collateral" is still "pledged". If someone tries to sell the collateral while the loan has not been payed in full (plus interest, if agreed upon), that person is deemed to be either a) stupid (which justifies a negative trust rating so people know not to do business with that person) or, b) untrustworthy (which justifies a negative trust rating so people know not to do business with that person)...
Isn't the collateral will be in deposit to the person who give the loan or escrow so the person who needs loan can't actually do anything with it ?
So searching to sell the collateral and also offer it for loan in same place its not something that can affect the person who give the loan or i am wrong?
Soon as the escrow or the person who give the loan takes the collateral, the person who needs loan can't do anything with it because its not in his position.
So i understand so far searching for the best way to earn fast money either ask for loan with valid collateral and in same place selling the collateral is something wrong.
I guess the person who needs loan searching for the fastest way to get this money either by loan with collateral or sell the collateral.
The only bad thing leaves here that the person who request the loan proves he's not even thinking to repay his loan consider he's also selling his collateral.
legendary
Activity: 2744
Merit: 1193
I don't believe in denial.
Its not my business and nothing i have to do with but i don't get the idea about any red trust based on selling the collateral you providing for loan request. [...] I would like to understand why that's something which should be punished with red trust. [...]

Let's see:

Quote
collateral (kɒˈlætərəl; kə-)
   1. (Banking & Finance)
      a. security pledged for the repayment of a loan

So while the loan is still outstanding, the "collateral" is still "pledged". If someone tries to sell the collateral while the loan has not been payed in full (plus interest, if agreed upon), that person is deemed to be either a) stupid (which justifies a negative trust rating so people know not to do business with that person) or, b) untrustworthy (which justifies a negative trust rating so people know not to do business with that person)...
member
Activity: 350
Merit: 22
Its not my business and nothing i have to do with but i don't get the idea about any red trust based on selling the collateral you providing for loan request.
From what i read so far, by requesting loan you should provide 120% collateral right?
So basically you paying 20% above of what you get to not make the person who give you loan in loss right?
In that case physically you can't even bring any loss to the person who give loan right? He always leave with 20% profit or even less if you pay your loan because he take less % right?
Consider person is looking for loan he's looking also for quick cash to pay something.
So trying to sell the collateral before anyone give you loan will bring the person who asking for loan less loss.
The only "bad" thing here is that selling your collateral providing valid proof that you are not looking to repay your loan and just let the person who giving the loan with the 20% profit.
So the only wrong thing i see here is that the person who asking for loan is badly looking for cash and either looking for loan or sell his collateral.
What's the idea of the red trust if the person who give the loan will end up with 20% profit from the collateral  in the end?
I know its not something good to ask for loan which you have no intentions to pay back because you also looking to sell your collateral but in the end the person who give loan leave with 120% collateral  which is 20% profit ??
Correct me if i am wrong please because its my first time talking about loans and stuff...
I never needed loan to understand the full process but from simple view of person who never needed or ask for loan in the end i always see profit for the person who give the loan.
I would like to understand why that's something which should be punished with red trust.

*I'm not here to defend or protect someone but clear for myself why people get red trust for that.
sr. member
Activity: 1250
Merit: 295
Palestine

d) The Pharmacist, actmyname, Vod.. didn't tag all scammers on this forum? yes they dont for the member who pay $$$$$


I'm assuming you have some blockchain proof of these payments because making such an allegation without proof would be just scammy.
they got proof that I sold my collateral HuhHuhHuh?? no so why i have negative trust?
Apples and oranges.
and tea is red Wink
legendary
Activity: 1932
Merit: 2272

d) The Pharmacist, actmyname, Vod.. didn't tag all scammers on this forum? yes they dont for the member who pay $$$$$


I'm assuming you have some blockchain proof of these payments because making such an allegation without proof would be just scammy.
they got proof that I sold my collateral HuhHuhHuh?? no so why i have negative trust?
Apples and oranges.
sr. member
Activity: 1250
Merit: 295
Palestine

d) The Pharmacist, actmyname, Vod.. didn't tag all scammers on this forum? yes they dont for the member who pay $$$$$


I'm assuming you have some blockchain proof of these payments because making such an allegation without proof would be just scammy.
they got proof that I sold my collateral HuhHuhHuh?? no so why i have negative trust?
Vod
legendary
Activity: 3668
Merit: 3010
Licking my boob since 1970
WHy ?Thats exectly what DT2 members are doing

And that's the exact same thing you are doing. 

Please add me to your revenge list bozo - I am enjoying your idiocy.  Smiley
sr. member
Activity: 938
Merit: 276

d) The Pharmacist, actmyname, Vod.. didn't tag all scammers on this forum? yes they dont for the member who pay $$$$$


I'm assuming you have some blockchain proof of these payments because making such an allegation without proof would be just scammy.


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allegation without proof would be just scammy.

WHy ?Thats exectly what DT2 members are doing
legendary
Activity: 1288
Merit: 1926
฿ear ride on the rainbow slide

d) The Pharmacist, actmyname, Vod.. didn't tag all scammers on this forum? yes they dont for the member who pay $$$$$


I'm assuming you have some blockchain proof of these payments because making such an allegation without proof would be just scammy.
sr. member
Activity: 1250
Merit: 295
Palestine
Can you address this:

Why are you evading ban with alt account?i dont have alt
Why have you sent merit to alt account? im free to send merit to anyone
Why are you cheating bounties? proof ?
Why spamming forum with meaningless zero value posts? i dont
Why did you try to sell something pretending it is collateral? you are to retarded to understand

And this:

What is goal of this thread?
Is it:

a) DT members are mafia and criminals? you are using dt for your own benefits
b) DT members are trying to control bitcointalk? eveeryone know that
c) I received negative because I have tried to take loan with collateral I was trying to sell? why do i sell it on same forum where i try to get loan ?
d) The Pharmacist, actmyname, Vod.. didn't tag all scammers on this forum? yes they dont for the member who pay $$$$$

What do you really want to accomplish with this topic? To get rid of negative trust, showing that you have changed and this was really honest mistake and at the same time you are accusing DT members of being criminals and taking bribe to "close their eyes":
copper member
Activity: 1442
Merit: 529
By the way , it is of no importance if you remove it or not as I got much better things to do like staying here and posting for pennies. You can send me your congratulations at a minimum since I just got certified about 10 days before in IT Fundamentals.



This is what I intend to learn now, that is why I am staying very little time on the forum. Remove it or not the negative will not affect me in anyway, this is who I am , maybe was not the best example, but since everybody talked against multiaccount, I immediately left all the accounts I had obtained illegally showing extremely good behaviour.

copper member
Activity: 1442
Merit: 529
Just had a pizza with a Mojito Soda tonight , didn't go to the club like I always do, I was having a laugh with my friends telling about this story here in the forum and just had a good time.

Now , regarding me trading with half the forum, that is not possible  for a normal human being, second what I asked was during the first time when I got the negative and lastly now please answer my only question I have for you.

Why don't you remove the negative rating since I have shown good behaviour and abandoned all accounts in which I was accused for ? For a lot of time namely 10 months. I have also done a few trades ,which thankfully all have gone well. What is the meaning of this negative which now it is non-valid in my opinion. You don't give second chances, at least that is the impression I have created for you in my mind based on your actions , regarding my specific case.
legendary
Activity: 1932
Merit: 2272
I did
You didn't:

It is of not any good to your account defending now, by the way I am was about to go to the club tonight but your company here seems a better one so am having fun with you two tonight.I don't have an alt army, anyone knows my accounts, it is public knowledge on the forum 
I am happy that we are entertaining you. I can't say the same thing for you. Since you decided not to go to club tonight, can you comment this:
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You have left me a negative for me buying accounts in 2016 which I counteracted by leaving you a negative. Can you change it to neutral and I will remove my negative to you
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Do I have to trade with half of the forum in order for you to change your feedback for me in neutral ?

Why are you mentioning certain things and then avoiding answer when asked?
copper member
Activity: 1442
Merit: 529
I did but you want to play and I can play all night if you want and it is funny how Lauda is playing the role of a good DT ex member when he kept me with my other account zend7 on his Bitmixer.io campaign for months , that just shows what integrity DT members have.
Back then he didn't mind.
Somehow I am supposed to know who every random around here is and the names of each participant of their alt army. Seems plausible.

It is of not any good to your account defending now, by the way I am was about to go to the club tonight but your company here seems a better one so am having fun with you two tonight.I don't have an alt army, anyone knows my accounts, it is public knowledge on the forum  Grin

Edit: Going to the club, it is becoming boring here. See you tomorrow.
legendary
Activity: 2674
Merit: 2965
Terminated.
I did but you want to play and I can play all night if you want and it is funny how Lauda is playing the role of a good DT ex member when he kept me with my other account zend7 on his Bitmixer.io campaign for months , that just shows what integrity DT members have.
Back then he didn't mind.
Somehow I am supposed to know who every random around here is and the names of each participant of their alt army. Seems plausible. Some of the DT and non-DT children still got plenty to learn.



.. by the way I am was about to go to the club tonight but your company here seems a better one so am having fun with you two tonight.
Not today. Cheerio. Smiley
copper member
Activity: 1442
Merit: 529
I did but you want to play and I can play all night if you want and it is funny how Lauda is playing the role of a good DT ex member when he kept me with my other account zend7 on his Bitmixer.io campaign for months , that just shows what integrity DT members have.
Back then he didn't mind.
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