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Quote from: BumbleBeeTC on March 22, 2015, 11:35:25 PM

Don't be unprofessional, deal with this the right way and answer my question. Why do so many users hit unbelievable streaks extremely often? Don't just say luck, I want a real answer. You're going to be caught soon and I know it.

Holy shit dude, how can you be this fucking dense? Selective hearing much? The question has been answered multiple times and you keep ignoring it. CHECK. YOUR. GODDAMN. BETS. You are provided the opportunity to choose half the seed which is used to determine the roll number that is generated. The important part that seems to apply here is that each roll is independent of one another which technically means, while improbable, an infinite losing streak can happen. How are you not getting this? Do you need it broken down and explained even further?

Given that we are allowed the opportunity to check each individual roll against a set of strict guidelines on how the roll numbers are generated, I can't even fathom a way that the site could be "rigging" it. Like there's some group of gnomes sitting behind some computers who selectively chooses who to give a fucking 10 red streak to on the fly?

What is the magic answer that will satisfy you? Alright fine, I'll play along; Primedice is rigged! Great, now what? Do I get to join the club with the .01% of people in the community who actually truly believe this?

By the way, that was a shitty troll you did last night to Poloniex, claiming rather gleefully that you scammed them. What sane, non-trollish person would go to one website and claim it's rigged, then boast about scamming another? I'm glad they disproved the double-withdrawal you claimed to achieved since it helped further prove your intentions around these parts.

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Quote from: BumbleBeeTC on March 22, 2015, 11:35:25 PM

Don't just say luck, I want a real answer. You're going to be caught soon and I know it.

I would suggest you to take some time to learn how "provably fair" works and verify all your bets one by one.
You will then either get a concrete proof for your "PD is rigged" argument or you will realize you actually just had some bad luck.

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I don't believe Primedice is rigged.
Primedice is the most popular dice site.
If the site is rigged, people would have found out by now.
I think it is more likely people blame their losses on the site.

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As i said before if you are going to post as proofs your loosing streaks at least post something incredibly difficult to happen like 40 loses in a row and then other 40 loses in a row in the same day or something like that, it still wouldnt be proof but it is something almost impossible. But posting losing streaks of 10 in a row? Come on man thats just trolling

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People remember their loses, but sadly not all the winnings. I trust primedice 100%.

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First of all I would like to know your identity I.e your username on primedice. I don't know any old member of pd who claims that the site is rigged. The only people who call it rigged are the once who want to deliberately defame pd for the benefit of its competitors. I also have been on pd since last 1.5 years and I reply don't feel that the site is rigged.

The rolls are fine, they can be verified and they get verified correctly. Yes, people get many loosing streaks, but they equally also get winning streaks. I myself am in almost 0.8BTC profit and never had any issues with the site.

I don't know why you feel that the administrative team is sketchy, they are all nice and generous people. I don't think stunna is completely anonymous. He is kind of a pseudo anonymous guy and can be doxed easily.
Haters gonna hate.

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I got long streak once or twice but that's normal right? idk alot about provably fair

Also, the conversation is getting heated. Both of you calm down

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Quote from: BumbleBeeTC on March 22, 2015, 11:35:25 PM

Quote from: Stunna on March 22, 2015, 11:20:50 PM

You do realize that he had an unhashed server seed, he played over a period of months and won massive over a period of 20+ hours of consistent betting. If were were rigging his bets wouldn't we have instantly realized he was cheating instead of continuing to pay him out thousands of coins over months? Honestly, at this point I'm just convinced you're a troll, if you continue to bump this with nonsense posts I will leave you negative trust.

If a moderator sees this, I firmly believe this thread should be locked/deleted. If you follow along with the conversation it's clear OP is spreading illogical FUD.

Stunna, don't be unprofesssional. My posts aren't nonsense, don't call them that. If you give me negative trust, it would do nothing but make you look bad. You still haven't answered why somehow, on Primedice people hit unbelievable loss streaks extremely often. Literally all my PD friends from 2013 to now can agree. I'm not a troll, if anything you are just posting to try and make PD look legit. This is more of a "community warning" to warn members to just use any other site. So far it's been doing well.

This thread is 100% valid. It's not FUD, or illogical. I'm not a troll, in fact your intelligence and way and handling problems is proving to me you aren't smart either. If one of the hotdog places near your house start pissing in your drinks how will you know? By common sense! You can't prove it, but it's quite obvious it's true.

Don't be unprofessional, deal with this the right way and answer my question. Why do so many users hit unbelievable streaks extremely often? Don't just say luck, I want a real answer. You're going to be caught soon and I know it.

First of all, 10x in a row hardly counts as an "unbelievable streak". And second of all, Primedice has around 4.4 billion bets, individual accounts such as yours were able to place thousands of bets in incredibly short periods of time. When you go to a casino and sit at the roulette table, how often can you place a new wager? The point is you can gamble for years without hitting a large streak as placing 10,000 individual bets at a casino table can take years of betting, meanwhile on primedice you can place over 100,000 bets in a single 24 hour period.

Also, I don't care about being "unprofessional" I care about being trustworthy and reliable. If posting "primedice is rigged" then posting screenshots of 10x loss streaks isn't slander/FUD I don't know what is.

Give this a read and all will be made clear: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias

Oh and by the way, your account has over 100% luck indicating that you've won more bets than you statistically should have. I recommend carefully reading over your arguments, contrast them with the facts and lock this thread. I've finally said everything I wanted to say and will use all my will power to not reply beyond this point and grant you additional undeserved attention.

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Quote from: Stunna on March 22, 2015, 11:20:50 PM

You do realize that he had an unhashed server seed, he played over a period of months and won massive over a period of 20+ hours of consistent betting. If were were rigging his bets wouldn't we have instantly realized he was cheating instead of continuing to pay him out thousands of coins over months? Honestly, at this point I'm just convinced you're a troll, if you continue to bump this with nonsense posts I will leave you negative trust.

If a moderator sees this, I firmly believe this thread should be locked/deleted. If you follow along with the conversation it's clear OP is spreading illogical FUD.

Stunna, don't be unprofesssional. My posts aren't nonsense, don't call them that. If you give me negative trust, it would do nothing but make you look bad. You still haven't answered why somehow, on Primedice people hit unbelievable loss streaks extremely often. Literally all my PD friends from 2013 to now can agree. I'm not a troll, if anything you are just posting to try and make PD look legit. This is more of a "community warning" to warn members to just use any other site. So far it's been doing well.

This thread is 100% valid. It's not FUD, or illogical. I'm not a troll, in fact your intelligence and way and handling problems is proving to me you aren't smart either. If one of the hotdog places near your house start pissing in your drinks how will you know? By common sense! You can't prove it, but it's quite obvious it's true.

Don't be unprofessional, deal with this the right way and answer my question. Why do so many users hit unbelievable streaks extremely often? Don't just say luck, I want a real answer. You're going to be caught soon and I know it.

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Quote from: BumbleBeeTC on March 22, 2015, 11:01:31 PM

Quote from: janggernaut on March 22, 2015, 10:47:50 PM

Quote from: BumbleBeeTC on March 17, 2015, 01:31:22 AM

Ok, I'm hoping I don't get hate or neg trust this, but all scams start with something similar to this. I've been a member of PD for 1.5 years and as all old players know, Stunna is a sketchy and shady administrator. It's not just a feeling that because I lose it's a scam. Hell, I've played on PD for 1.5 years nearly every day. This is a trend I have been seeing. I play on other sites such as JD, PRC, SafeDice, BitDice, etc. and PD is something...special. I mean a small little page of some numbers (verification page) doesn't prove much. Dicebitco.in proved that statement to be true. I am taking a community initiative to do this, since I strongly believe there is something Stunna is hiding from us.

I decided to finally do this because since the launch of PD3, the site seems even more rigged. Not heavily, but rather sneakily. Proof isn't easy to get, so I'd rather just take the community involved and see what they have to say. Here is just one of my many screenshots to come of me losing. Remember I'm not butthurt, but rather am trying to do the community a favor:

http://i.gyazo.com/c934f6d25d9ad8f1920a4be0f4cf2283.png

http://prntscr.com/6i699l

http://prntscr.com/6jzutm

http://gyazo.com/948d0bfefe3921ff6812a21c4c202c7f

http://prntscr.com/6hylyy

https://i.imgur.com/zSR7bdy.png

http://prntscr.com/6i3cb6

http://prntscr.com/6i69lq

^^ The above was collected within 24 hours

If you think Stunna has something sneaky going on in the back, please post your opinions! Oh, and please do not post if you aren't a long-time member of Primedice, or play there only occasionally. I'm looking for players who have spent 100+ hours on the site and know it full well.

I think it's about time the community's feedback proves something.

EDIT 2: I am not saying that that loss streak is proof. I am saying it's an example to the scams that are going on.

dude, i think if PD is rigged, why they can paid someone who won over 2000 BTC? and i think primedice is one of provably fair gambling sites.

Because that player was cheating

You do realize that he had an unhashed server seed, he played over a period of months and won massive over a period of 20+ hours of consistent betting. If were were rigging his bets wouldn't we have instantly realized he was cheating instead of continuing to pay him out thousands of coins over months? Honestly, at this point I'm just convinced you're a troll, if you continue to bump this with nonsense posts I will leave you negative trust.

If a moderator sees this, I firmly believe this thread should be locked/deleted. If you follow along with the conversation it's clear OP is spreading illogical FUD. The entire community has weighed in, if bumbleBee ends up finding any piece of proof other than a screenshot of losing 10x in a row (after placing thousands of bets) he can post a new thread.

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Quote from: janggernaut on March 22, 2015, 10:47:50 PM

Quote from: BumbleBeeTC on March 17, 2015, 01:31:22 AM

Ok, I'm hoping I don't get hate or neg trust this, but all scams start with something similar to this. I've been a member of PD for 1.5 years and as all old players know, Stunna is a sketchy and shady administrator. It's not just a feeling that because I lose it's a scam. Hell, I've played on PD for 1.5 years nearly every day. This is a trend I have been seeing. I play on other sites such as JD, PRC, SafeDice, BitDice, etc. and PD is something...special. I mean a small little page of some numbers (verification page) doesn't prove much. Dicebitco.in proved that statement to be true. I am taking a community initiative to do this, since I strongly believe there is something Stunna is hiding from us.

I decided to finally do this because since the launch of PD3, the site seems even more rigged. Not heavily, but rather sneakily. Proof isn't easy to get, so I'd rather just take the community involved and see what they have to say. Here is just one of my many screenshots to come of me losing. Remember I'm not butthurt, but rather am trying to do the community a favor:

http://i.gyazo.com/c934f6d25d9ad8f1920a4be0f4cf2283.png

http://prntscr.com/6i699l

http://prntscr.com/6jzutm

http://gyazo.com/948d0bfefe3921ff6812a21c4c202c7f

http://prntscr.com/6hylyy

https://i.imgur.com/zSR7bdy.png

http://prntscr.com/6i3cb6

http://prntscr.com/6i69lq

^^ The above was collected within 24 hours

If you think Stunna has something sneaky going on in the back, please post your opinions! Oh, and please do not post if you aren't a long-time member of Primedice, or play there only occasionally. I'm looking for players who have spent 100+ hours on the site and know it full well.

I think it's about time the community's feedback proves something.

EDIT 2: I am not saying that that loss streak is proof. I am saying it's an example to the scams that are going on.

dude, i think if PD is rigged, why they can paid someone who won over 2000 BTC? and i think primedice is one of provably fair gambling sites.

Because that player was cheating

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Quote from: BumbleBeeTC on March 17, 2015, 01:31:22 AM

Ok, I'm hoping I don't get hate or neg trust this, but all scams start with something similar to this. I've been a member of PD for 1.5 years and as all old players know, Stunna is a sketchy and shady administrator. It's not just a feeling that because I lose it's a scam. Hell, I've played on PD for 1.5 years nearly every day. This is a trend I have been seeing. I play on other sites such as JD, PRC, SafeDice, BitDice, etc. and PD is something...special. I mean a small little page of some numbers (verification page) doesn't prove much. Dicebitco.in proved that statement to be true. I am taking a community initiative to do this, since I strongly believe there is something Stunna is hiding from us.

I decided to finally do this because since the launch of PD3, the site seems even more rigged. Not heavily, but rather sneakily. Proof isn't easy to get, so I'd rather just take the community involved and see what they have to say. Here is just one of my many screenshots to come of me losing. Remember I'm not butthurt, but rather am trying to do the community a favor:

http://i.gyazo.com/c934f6d25d9ad8f1920a4be0f4cf2283.png

http://prntscr.com/6i699l

http://prntscr.com/6jzutm

http://gyazo.com/948d0bfefe3921ff6812a21c4c202c7f

http://prntscr.com/6hylyy

https://i.imgur.com/zSR7bdy.png

http://prntscr.com/6i3cb6

http://prntscr.com/6i69lq

^^ The above was collected within 24 hours

If you think Stunna has something sneaky going on in the back, please post your opinions! Oh, and please do not post if you aren't a long-time member of Primedice, or play there only occasionally. I'm looking for players who have spent 100+ hours on the site and know it full well.

I think it's about time the community's feedback proves something.

EDIT 2: I am not saying that that loss streak is proof. I am saying it's an example to the scams that are going on.

dude, i think if PD is rigged, why they can paid someone who won over 2000 BTC? and i think primedice is one of provably fair gambling sites.

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Quote from: adaseb on March 19, 2015, 09:45:28 AM

Exactly. Because something like this is just impossible to prove. They can cheat us and it would be next to impossible to tell or prove.

Just don't gamble then if you can't take the risk.

That is why provable fairness is so important.

It allows us to detect cheating, and prove that we detected cheating.

If Ryan posted the algorithm and seeds that generated the rolls in his data we could immediately tell which of the two sets of rolls was from the rigged site.

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Quote from: adaseb on March 19, 2015, 09:45:28 AM

Quote from: Shogen on March 19, 2015, 06:29:54 AM

Quote from: RHavar on March 18, 2015, 05:59:06 PM

For the OP, I generated two sets of data:

one and two.

Win represents doubling your money, lose represents losing your bet. One of these data sets was generated perfectly fairly, with a house edge is 1%. The other data set is generated from a "rigged" distribution, where the casino wins twice as much as it should! Can you spot the fair and rigged one?

If you can't easily eyeball the difference, you should reconsider if you can tell if a site is fair or not without the use of statistical tools and/or checking it's provably fair scheme =)

Even with statistical tools, it is hard to confidently make a conclusion.
In the second dataset, the sample p is just 0.48948 but the 99% CI is (0.4821, 0.4968) which still covers 0.495.

Exactly. Because something like this is just impossible to prove. They can cheat us and it would be next to impossible to tell or prove.

Just don't gamble then if you can't take the risk.

Yes, with just the outputs given and no details about the underlying algorithm, it is very difficult to prove if it is working as intended.
But, with the exact algorithm given (like in the provably fair sites), it is very easy to prove if it is working as intended.

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Quote from: Shogen on March 19, 2015, 06:29:54 AM

Quote from: RHavar on March 18, 2015, 05:59:06 PM

For the OP, I generated two sets of data:

one and two.

Win represents doubling your money, lose represents losing your bet. One of these data sets was generated perfectly fairly, with a house edge is 1%. The other data set is generated from a "rigged" distribution, where the casino wins twice as much as it should! Can you spot the fair and rigged one?

If you can't easily eyeball the difference, you should reconsider if you can tell if a site is fair or not without the use of statistical tools and/or checking it's provably fair scheme =)

Even with statistical tools, it is hard to confidently make a conclusion.
In the second dataset, the sample p is just 0.48948 but the 99% CI is (0.4821, 0.4968) which still covers 0.495.

Exactly. Because something like this is just impossible to prove. They can cheat us and it would be next to impossible to tell or prove.

Just don't gamble then if you can't take the risk.

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Quote from: RHavar on March 18, 2015, 05:59:06 PM

For the OP, I generated two sets of data:

one and two.

Win represents doubling your money, lose represents losing your bet. One of these data sets was generated perfectly fairly, with a house edge is 1%. The other data set is generated from a "rigged" distribution, where the casino wins twice as much as it should! Can you spot the fair and rigged one?

If you can't easily eyeball the difference, you should reconsider if you can tell if a site is fair or not without the use of statistical tools and/or checking it's provably fair scheme =)

Even with statistical tools, it is hard to confidently make a conclusion.
In the second dataset, the sample p is just 0.48948 but the 99% CI is (0.4821, 0.4968) which still covers 0.495.

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Quote from: bitllionaire on March 18, 2015, 07:36:10 PM

I am not a big user of primedice but the few I have played I can say it is very normal.

If you had bad luck it is a pity but things as that may happen although they are not likely,but possible...

Yes this 100%. People do not realize that it is possible to lose 10 in a row on 1.01x, but it is not likely. Since it is a game of luck and chance no combination of bets will work for forever, they will all eventually fail and you will lose all your coins. People need to either stick with the loses or stop while they are ahead.

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I am not a big user of primedice but the few I have played I can say it is very normal.

If you had bad luck it is a pity but things as that may happen although they are not likely,but possible...

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Quote from: RHavar on March 18, 2015, 05:59:06 PM

For the OP, I generated two sets of data:

one and two.

Win represents doubling your money, lose represents losing your bet. One of these data sets was generated perfectly fairly, with a house edge is 1%. The other data set is generated from a "rigged" distribution, where the casino wins twice as much as it should! Can you spot the fair and rigged one?

If you can't easily eyeball the difference, you should reconsider if you can tell if a site is fair or not without the use of statistical tools and/or checking it's provably fair scheme =)

It's totally the second one, I'm a king at lucky guessing.

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For the OP, I generated two sets of data:

one and two.

Win represents doubling your money, lose represents losing your bet. One of these data sets was generated perfectly fairly, with a house edge is 1%. The other data set is generated from a "rigged" distribution, where the casino wins twice as much as it should! Can you spot the fair and rigged one?

If you can't easily eyeball the difference, you should reconsider if you can tell if a site is fair or not without the use of statistical tools and/or checking it's provably fair scheme =)

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