The Primedice Is Rigged Thread - page 4.

twister

hero member

Activity: 672

Merit: 502

Quote from: ranochigo on March 17, 2015, 02:27:09 AM

Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: ranochigo on March 17, 2015, 01:41:38 AM

Quote from: adaseb on March 17, 2015, 01:39:06 AM

Honestly who knows if its rigged or not. The problem is its impossible to get enough evidence to prove if its rigged or not because the chances are you can usually go on a huge losing streak as below.

Who knows? Maybe the sites use some algorithm that detects martingale players to clean them out. Either way its very difficult to prove.

Don't martingale, and if you do. Just do it across multiple dice sites and then you will know for sure if its a legit losing streak or you were being cheated.

You can verify every single bet to ensure that Primedice is not skipping nonce and the server seed checks out. The house pretty much have no chance to cheat if you do it this way. The problem here is you don't realised the house edge makes a difference, I have seen more than 20 lose streak at various dice sites and none of them is cheating. You are going to lose your bankroll eventually with martingale due to varience.

You could also verify 999dice rolls as well but that site is still rigged ...

Wrong, most people wouldn't bother to verify the bet since the page for verification method is very confusing and no tool exist to easily do it. A simple google would give you this. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/how-999dicecom-is-stealing-your-coins-and-exactly-why-you-wont-believe-me-948965. Primedice, however, is pretty open about their fairness and there are lots of script to verify the bets.

That's true, I don't verify every one of my roll either but PD is fair and I trust this site, I haven't been too lucky there but that doesn't mean that the site is rigged.

Btw ranochigo Nice signature.

Shogen

legendary

Activity: 966

Merit: 1001

Quote from: diegocosta on March 17, 2015, 06:56:30 AM

Quote from: trafficolaa on March 17, 2015, 02:02:11 AM

Quote from: ranochigo on March 17, 2015, 01:41:38 AM

Quote from: adaseb on March 17, 2015, 01:39:06 AM

Honestly who knows if its rigged or not. The problem is its impossible to get enough evidence to prove if its rigged or not because the chances are you can usually go on a huge losing streak as below.

Who knows? Maybe the sites use some algorithm that detects martingale players to clean them out. Either way its very difficult to prove.

Don't martingale, and if you do. Just do it across multiple dice sites and then you will know for sure if its a legit losing streak or you were being cheated.

You can verify every single bet to ensure that Primedice is not skipping nonce and the server seed checks out. The house pretty much have no chance to cheat if you do it this way. The problem here is you don't realised the house edge makes a difference, I have seen more than 20 lose streak at various dice sites and none of them is cheating. You are going to lose your bankroll eventually with martingale due to varience.

agreed with you i had 16 winning streak on Primedice, gambling is all about good and bad luck,
Primedice has provably fair system and every single bet can be verified with that verification.
so that behavior is strange after losing streak.

i dont know much about gambling but by any chance.......... can they fake the verification process?

There are some easy-to-use external verifiers such as http://dicesites.com/primedice/verifier and http://rgbkey.github.io/verify/PrimeDice/.
Or you can calculator the sha512 yourself according to the scheme in https://primedice.com/verify.

diegocosta

newbie

Activity: 42

Merit: 0

Quote from: trafficolaa on March 17, 2015, 02:02:11 AM

Quote from: ranochigo on March 17, 2015, 01:41:38 AM

Quote from: adaseb on March 17, 2015, 01:39:06 AM

Honestly who knows if its rigged or not. The problem is its impossible to get enough evidence to prove if its rigged or not because the chances are you can usually go on a huge losing streak as below.

Who knows? Maybe the sites use some algorithm that detects martingale players to clean them out. Either way its very difficult to prove.

Don't martingale, and if you do. Just do it across multiple dice sites and then you will know for sure if its a legit losing streak or you were being cheated.

You can verify every single bet to ensure that Primedice is not skipping nonce and the server seed checks out. The house pretty much have no chance to cheat if you do it this way. The problem here is you don't realised the house edge makes a difference, I have seen more than 20 lose streak at various dice sites and none of them is cheating. You are going to lose your bankroll eventually with martingale due to varience.

agreed with you i had 16 winning streak on Primedice, gambling is all about good and bad luck,
Primedice has provably fair system and every single bet can be verified with that verification.
so that behavior is strange after losing streak.

i dont know much about gambling but by any chance.......... can they fake the verification process?

asuryan180

hero member

Activity: 868

Merit: 1000

You call scam to the oldest bitcoin dice site after a year and a half of playing there everyday lol Why so soon?

Firstly sorry you have had a run of bad luck but i am afraid when gambling this is what happens and there is only one thing you can do about it and that is obviously stop playing.

There is no need for this thread if it was truly rigged it would not be one on the biggest and longest standing dice games would it people would just not play it that is fact you are actually the first hate i have seen towards it if i am honest.

If i was you i would stop playing all sites.

XinXan

hero member

Activity: 1064

Merit: 505

Quote from: Chijio on March 17, 2015, 04:49:02 AM

i dont think PrimeDice got some magic hidden in the back.. there are so many 100BTC club members (100BTC+ in profit) and ofcourse the famous HufflePuff winning 2000BTC+, so i think PD is fair on their players..

It has been said thousands of times already, HufflePuff was using an exploit, cheating, he wasnt lucky.

ComboChris

full member

Activity: 189

Merit: 100

This whole topic seems pointless to me. I wonder how many replies it would have gotten if signature campaigns didn't exist...

Chijio

full member

Activity: 126

Merit: 100

i dont think PrimeDice got some magic hidden in the back.. there are so many 100BTC club members (100BTC+ in profit) and ofcourse the famous HufflePuff winning 2000BTC+, so i think PD is fair on their players..

XinXan

hero member

Activity: 1064

Merit: 505

Another thing that happens if one casino is rigged is that you may be able to exploit it. Like for example if they are predicting your patterns, change them outpredict their predictions?

Chemistry1988

legendary

Activity: 1120

Merit: 1000

First, the loss streak doesn't show the site is rigged.
Plus, it is not rare to lose 11 2.5x bets in a row. I have personally had a 14 2x bets streak and a few more 11 or 12 2x streak.

BTW, on JD, the longest winning streak at 49.5% is 30 and the longest losing streak is 32.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.7060900

EDIT: fixed a stupid typo.

XinXan

hero member

Activity: 1064

Merit: 505

Quote from: icey on March 17, 2015, 03:21:46 AM

Quote from: Coef on March 17, 2015, 02:13:04 AM

Do you notice any change in your server seed or client seed?
Do you notice any skipping of nonce?
Do you notice any mismatch of the hashes and the rolled numbers?

If the answers are all "no", then you were just having a bad luck.

Pretty much this to be honest. Before the invention of bitcoin, i dont recall anywhere online where i could gamble and verify i haven't been cheated. Bitcoin gambling is by no means perfect, but a massive improvement on what we've been used to as gamblers.

Thats true. Here is the thing, real life casinos have been existing for a long time where you can play roulette and watch it spin, you knew it wasnt rigged even some players abused the roulettes because they werent perfect but in the end the casinos would still win, thats the thing the casinos always win, its a fact they dont need to be rigged to win because all the casinos are rigged in a way, the house edge. Honestly if you wanted to prove they are rigged that pic you posted is definitely not enough, if you posted a pic of like a 50 lose streak on 50% it would have been a strong proof.

icey

legendary

Activity: 1578

Merit: 1000

May the coin be with you..

Quote from: Coef on March 17, 2015, 02:13:04 AM

Do you notice any change in your server seed or client seed?
Do you notice any skipping of nonce?
Do you notice any mismatch of the hashes and the rolled numbers?

If the answers are all "no", then you were just having a bad luck.

Pretty much this to be honest. Before the invention of bitcoin, i dont recall anywhere online where i could gamble and verify i haven't been cheated. Bitcoin gambling is by no means perfect, but a massive improvement on what we've been used to as gamblers.

TriggerX

hero member

Activity: 826

Merit: 1000

I can agree or disagree with you because I have no evidence to back it up. However, I remember having a big loss streak on 66% a few minutes after I deposited which ended resulting in a -0.56 profit. My account is still saying at -0.56 loss which is sad. I started using other dice sites like dadice because of their faucet levels. My primedice faucet is at 2.7k right now after 2 months and my dadice faucet is at 4k after a few days! I recommend you trying out new dice sites and then compare it to primedice to see which one you like better. Cheers!

oldmate

member

Activity: 107

Merit: 10

#1 Diggit.io Investor

Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: Somekindabitcoin on March 17, 2015, 02:48:23 AM

If Primedice were rigged, the exploit Hufflepuff used wouldn't have worked. The seeds are exactly the same as they should be. I recommend you to check and confirm the seeds. It was most likely your own fault for losses inflicted.

you don't need to manipulate seeds to make it rigged.
just like i said earlier 999 seeds matched up fine and their site was rigged.
DiceBitcoin skipped nonces that has nothing to do with knowing seeds

999Dice is a unique case because of the odd way that the provably fair system worked. You had to make a manual request before your bet in order to see the seed; if you didn't, then you'll just have to believe the casino. No other sites that I'm aware of do this.

Somekindabitcoin

hero member

Activity: 518

Merit: 500

If Primedice were rigged, the exploit Hufflepuff used wouldn't have worked. The seeds are exactly the same as they should be. I recommend you to check and confirm the seeds. It was most likely your own fault for losses inflicted.

oldmate

member

Activity: 107

Merit: 10

#1 Diggit.io Investor

Quote from: BumbleBeeTC on March 17, 2015, 01:31:22 AM

I mean a small little page of some numbers (verification page) doesn't prove much.

To be honest, this isn't true. Provably fair mechanisms and their verifiers prove everything if you understand how to use them. With a legitimate provably fair system implemented, it is impossible for the casino to cheat.

What you are likely seeing is just variance. With a tiny 1% house edge, massive swings are far from uncommon. Make enough bets, and you will eventually have a massive losing streak. Remember that there are absolutely no patters whatsoever in randomness -- every single bet is independent of the last, and this is why many betting systems are flawed.

If the casino has a legitimate provably fair mechanism, it is unfair to say it is rigged. I haven't actually had a look at the system used myself, but I assume someone else would have by now. If that maths is right, then it's probably not a scam (in telling outcome of bets, at least -- the site could still run with your deposits).

ranochigo

legendary

Activity: 3038

Merit: 4418

Crypto Swap Exchange

Quote from: ?? on ??

Quote from: ranochigo on March 17, 2015, 01:41:38 AM

Quote from: adaseb on March 17, 2015, 01:39:06 AM

Honestly who knows if its rigged or not. The problem is its impossible to get enough evidence to prove if its rigged or not because the chances are you can usually go on a huge losing streak as below.

Who knows? Maybe the sites use some algorithm that detects martingale players to clean them out. Either way its very difficult to prove.

Don't martingale, and if you do. Just do it across multiple dice sites and then you will know for sure if its a legit losing streak or you were being cheated.

You can verify every single bet to ensure that Primedice is not skipping nonce and the server seed checks out. The house pretty much have no chance to cheat if you do it this way. The problem here is you don't realised the house edge makes a difference, I have seen more than 20 lose streak at various dice sites and none of them is cheating. You are going to lose your bankroll eventually with martingale due to varience.

You could also verify 999dice rolls as well but that site is still rigged ...

Wrong, most people wouldn't bother to verify the bet since the page for verification method is very confusing and no tool exist to easily do it. A simple google would give you this. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/how-999dicecom-is-stealing-your-coins-and-exactly-why-you-wont-believe-me-948965. Primedice, however, is pretty open about their fairness and there are lots of script to verify the bets.

hdd3go

legendary

Activity: 994

Merit: 1000

If PD is rigged, there won't be so much 100 Bitcoins club members on PD, It's always a question of PD's fairness, but PD is still the most popular and accepted dice site in the community.

Coef

hero member

Activity: 882

Merit: 1000

Exhausted

Do you notice any change in your server seed or client seed?
Do you notice any skipping of nonce?
Do you notice any mismatch of the hashes and the rolled numbers?

If the answers are all "no", then you were just having a bad luck.

LiQuidx

hero member

Activity: 546

Merit: 500

Tossing out accusations like that without having a shred of evidence is a really but thing to do...
If you had something to show for ok but this? Just a bad streak.

trafficolaa

legendary

Activity: 1008

Merit: 1000

Quote from: ranochigo on March 17, 2015, 01:41:38 AM

Quote from: adaseb on March 17, 2015, 01:39:06 AM

Honestly who knows if its rigged or not. The problem is its impossible to get enough evidence to prove if its rigged or not because the chances are you can usually go on a huge losing streak as below.

Who knows? Maybe the sites use some algorithm that detects martingale players to clean them out. Either way its very difficult to prove.

Don't martingale, and if you do. Just do it across multiple dice sites and then you will know for sure if its a legit losing streak or you were being cheated.

You can verify every single bet to ensure that Primedice is not skipping nonce and the server seed checks out. The house pretty much have no chance to cheat if you do it this way. The problem here is you don't realised the house edge makes a difference, I have seen more than 20 lose streak at various dice sites and none of them is cheating. You are going to lose your bankroll eventually with martingale due to varience.

agreed with you i had 16 winning streak on Primedice, gambling is all about good and bad luck,
Primedice has provably fair system and every single bet can be verified with that verification.
so that behavior is strange after losing streak.

Topic: The Primedice Is Rigged Thread - page 4. (Read 4608 times)