The problem with atheism. - page 27.

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Quote from: termhn on October 10, 2013, 02:58:07 AM

Quote from: BitChick on October 09, 2013, 08:51:12 PM

Quote from: RodeoX on October 09, 2013, 04:26:22 PM

How could a caveman look up at the stars and not invent God? People want an explanation more than they want the truth. IMO, that is why God is still going strong even though we know it is mythology.

Psalm 14:1 The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good.

Perhaps the caveman were smarter or at least wiser than we are today? They looked up to the stars and realized that there must be someone greater then they were.

I know I will probably not make many friends here with that verse! But before you shoot me down just remember that I did not write it. Just quoting it.

This is the kind of thing I do NOT understand AT ALL! You are trying to prove that your standpoint is correct by quoting something FROM YOUR STANDPOINT'S BELIEFS. That makes no sense! That only proves anything if it was ABSOLUTELY FACT, and not only fact because YOU believe in it!

I get that. It is just that I have found that the Bible is like a sword that cuts to the heart and convicts us. I know this from personal experience. Every time I read it I am like "Wow. I really need help in that area." So I put a verse up here. Some people will laugh, ignore or get VERY angry. (Hence my disclaimers) But it is very interesting that David wrote this. It seems more relevant now. I guess there were people even a few thousand years ago saying, "There is no God."

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Quote from: BitChick on October 09, 2013, 08:51:12 PM

Quote from: RodeoX on October 09, 2013, 04:26:22 PM

How could a caveman look up at the stars and not invent God? People want an explanation more than they want the truth. IMO, that is why God is still going strong even though we know it is mythology.

Psalm 14:1 The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good.

Perhaps the caveman were smarter or at least wiser than we are today? They looked up to the stars and realized that there must be someone greater then they were.

I know I will probably not make many friends here with that verse! But before you shoot me down just remember that I did not write it. Just quoting it.

You are just quoting a book. There is not the least shred of evidence for the bible being anything more. It's a good book. The rules laid out by the Roman government in the bible contain a lot of wisdom about how to treat each other, but alas, so do a lot of other books.
I think if you read other ancient texts you will find that the bible is in no way unique.

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A little kid gets sea monkey eggs and puts them in a waterbowl.
The sea monkeys grow and then become an advance civilization.
A sea monkey asks a sea monkey scientists question on how their world works.
The sea monkey asks. Sea monkey scientist what is this world made of?
The monkey scientist answers, its made out of water (H20)
The sea monkey then asks. Sea monkey scientist, what is our food made of?
The sea monkey scientist answer, its made out yeast.
The sea monkey then asks. Sea monkey scientist where did we come from.
The sea monkey scientist then says. This bowl.

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Why do we live? Because god wants to? We mad god. Not the other way around. Our minds can't comprehend the begining of the univers so we just found refuge in god saying that he made us. But first of all the idea of god is surrounded by crowd manipulation and making money(at least in my country).

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Quote from: dancupid on September 08, 2013, 02:32:50 PM

Let me start by making it clear that I am an atheist.

The problem I have with the atheist agenda is that is stops at 'the non existence of God' - the same logic is not applied consistently to the whole of the human condition.

If I examine my life and use this same 'spaghetti monster' logic, I am drawn to the same conclusions about all my actions and activities - they are all as equally pointless and irrational as worshiping God.

If I rationally examine my sense of self I realize that it is just a genetic innovation - it encourages self preservation - genetic selfishness creates a genetically induced illusion of self worth.

My desire to survive is itself as delusional as a belief in God - pain and my fear of pain are a genetically induced survival mechanism I am in thrall to.

If I believe in God and survive then it is no different to not believing in God and surviving - nature will select for survival.

But my actual survival is meaningless whether I believe in God or otherwise.

This is the only conclusion that can be logically formed from a real examination of life.

Atheism is merely another tribal display - a peacock's tail trying to attract a mate through a verbal display of intelligence.

Sorry, I didn't read the thread.

But yes, our lives are totally pointless and meaningless. So what? Just follow your instincts and try to have as much pleasure as possible. That's it, really.

An old wise man once asked a young boy: "Do you know why are we all living on this planet?"
"We are just hanging around to waste our time, you know" — answered the boy, without stopping to play with his smartphone.

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Did you know that Lucifer had done humanity the greatest good deed in all history. Because he tricked Eva to eat from that apple with Adam.he opened their eyes and so free will was born and now people can choose to believe with their hearts in god(that's what god wants not the christian religion) or whatever we would like do believe in. The sheep will always stay with a false shepard because without him they think that they will be lost. But no. Them you will find yourselves. If anyone thinks that god really exists then belive in him! Not in a god damn business or political schemes that christianity is. Believe in every thing you want with your heart not in shit made up by people for crowd control.

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Quote from: hawkeye on October 10, 2013, 02:52:32 AM

It was when I started to think that God started to disappear, not for any other reason. It just so happens that there is also a lot of unpleasantness, shall we say, in Christianity, but that wasn't the root cause of why I discarded it. It's just the simple truth that did that.

I think that's true for the majority of us that were brainwashed at a young age but grew out of it.

I always feel sorry for those that don't bother to look beyond the bible - the universe has so much to offer. Undecided

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Quote from: hawkeye on September 22, 2013, 01:59:20 AM

As for the initial question. Yes, life is largely pointless. Sorry, that's just the way it is. The only point of your existence is to pass your genes on.

That doesn't make life any less enjoyable for this atheist. I can have fun, care for my family and friends, learn about the world, etc. All these things and more bring me enjoyment. I really don't see a need for believing what is more than likely a fantasy and wasting countless hours of my precious life sitting in a pew.

Life is about the journey. Enjoy the journey, don't worry about getting to the destination because it's non-existence, the same as before you were born.

Oh my god (or maybe, no god) dude, you steal the words that I've been telling people right out of my mouth. I agree with you 100%.

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Quote from: hawkeye on October 10, 2013, 02:52:32 AM

Quote from: BitChick on October 09, 2013, 11:40:36 PM

Quote from: hawkeye on October 09, 2013, 10:39:42 PM

Quote from: BitChick on October 09, 2013, 08:51:12 PM

Perhaps the caveman were smarter or at least wiser than we are today? They looked up to the stars and realized that there must be someone greater then they were.

They also thought the sun revolved around the Earth. And the thunder was when God was angry. etc, etc...

OK. I will give you that. But as far as having a simple faith and believing in God, they may have been less "foolish" than so many are now. The most dangerous sin of all is pride. Pride is what makes us think we know more than God or don't even need God and I think it is as the root of what causes many people to want to believe in Atheism. Otherwise they would have to be humble enough to submit to a higher power and in reality many of us do not want to do that, or think we are just too "smart" to even believe.

I've never understood how being proud can be a sin. Thieving is a sin. Murder is a sin. Pride? Seriously?

Submitting to someone or thing more powerful than yourself makes you humble? I can't understand that one either. Sounds like the kind of thing some "authority" figure would claim. The kind of person who says "do as I say boy". It's just authoritarian nonsense.

It was when I started to think that God started to disappear, not for any other reason. It just so happens that there is also a lot of unpleasantness, shall we say, in Christianity, but that wasn't the root cause of why I discarded it. It's just the simple truth that did that.

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Quote from: hawkeye on October 09, 2013, 10:39:42 PM

Quote from: BitChick on October 09, 2013, 08:51:12 PM

Perhaps the caveman were smarter or at least wiser than we are today? They looked up to the stars and realized that there must be someone greater then they were.

They also thought the sun revolved around the Earth. And the thunder was when God was angry. etc, etc...

Thunder does occur when frequencies become out of tune by lower frequency entities. Emotions cause weather.

lol

YES. Thank you so much. I think the exact same things whenever I hear someone say something like this. Does this not sound anything like opression? "You should obey me because I'm better" Where did that get us? I'll tell you where it got us: tyranny. It's the beginnings of controlling an entire society. I think of George Orwell's 1982, a society in which everyone just obeys the authority because nobody even thinks of the possiblity that maybe they don't have to obey. Trying to say that being proud or considering that we COULD be "smarter" than God, or at least be smart enough to believe that there ISN'T a God is a SIN?! Can't you see? Most religions are trying to control people to do as they say. I think that many of the things religions encourage (such as charity, treating others with respect, etc.) are good things, but being an atheist doesn't mean I don't do those things too! However, what I don't support is the control, the ABSOLUTE stranglehold they have on SO MANY people. It's ridiculous.

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Quote from: BitChick on October 09, 2013, 08:51:12 PM

Quote from: RodeoX on October 09, 2013, 04:26:22 PM

How could a caveman look up at the stars and not invent God? People want an explanation more than they want the truth. IMO, that is why God is still going strong even though we know it is mythology.

Psalm 14:1 The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good.

Perhaps the caveman were smarter or at least wiser than we are today? They looked up to the stars and realized that there must be someone greater then they were.

I know I will probably not make many friends here with that verse! But before you shoot me down just remember that I did not write it. Just quoting it.

This is the kind of thing I do NOT understand AT ALL! You are trying to prove that your standpoint is correct by quoting something FROM YOUR STANDPOINT'S BELIEFS. That makes no sense! That only proves anything if it was ABSOLUTELY FACT, and not only fact because YOU believe in it!

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Quote from: BitChick on October 09, 2013, 11:40:36 PM

Quote from: hawkeye on October 09, 2013, 10:39:42 PM

Quote from: BitChick on October 09, 2013, 08:51:12 PM

Perhaps the caveman were smarter or at least wiser than we are today? They looked up to the stars and realized that there must be someone greater then they were.

They also thought the sun revolved around the Earth. And the thunder was when God was angry. etc, etc...

OK. I will give you that. But as far as having a simple faith and believing in God, they may have been less "foolish" than so many are now. The most dangerous sin of all is pride. Pride is what makes us think we know more than God or don't even need God and I think it is as the root of what causes many people to want to believe in Atheism. Otherwise they would have to be humble enough to submit to a higher power and in reality many of us do not want to do that, or think we are just too "smart" to even believe.

I've never understood how being proud can be a sin. Thieving is a sin. Murder is a sin. Pride? Seriously?

Submitting to someone or thing more powerful than yourself makes you humble? I can't understand that one either. Sounds like the kind of thing some "authority" figure would claim. The kind of person who says "do as I say boy". It's just authoritarian nonsense.

It was when I started to think that God started to disappear, not for any other reason. It just so happens that there is also a lot of unpleasantness, shall we say, in Christianity, but that wasn't the root cause of why I discarded it. It's just the simple truth that did that.

Quote from: dank on October 09, 2013, 11:56:49 PM

Quote from: hawkeye on October 09, 2013, 10:39:42 PM

Quote from: BitChick on October 09, 2013, 08:51:12 PM

Perhaps the caveman were smarter or at least wiser than we are today? They looked up to the stars and realized that there must be someone greater then they were.

They also thought the sun revolved around the Earth. And the thunder was when God was angry. etc, etc...

Thunder does occur when frequencies become out of tune by lower frequency entities. Emotions cause weather.

lol

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Quote from: hawkeye on October 09, 2013, 10:39:42 PM

Quote from: BitChick on October 09, 2013, 08:51:12 PM

Perhaps the caveman were smarter or at least wiser than we are today? They looked up to the stars and realized that there must be someone greater then they were.

They also thought the sun revolved around the Earth. And the thunder was when God was angry. etc, etc...

Thunder does occur when frequencies become out of tune by lower frequency entities. Emotions cause weather.

Quote from: Vod on October 09, 2013, 10:55:52 PM

Quote from: dank on October 09, 2013, 03:14:35 PM

I am god, though I also have an ego. I am not yet strong enough to move the sun, I don't believe it enough.

I am godly enough to hold back a piece of a cloud from moving though, for this has been witnessed.

I know some people that would give you $1,000,000 if you could do this under controlled circumstances.

Since you are looking for money to fund a concert, why not do this?

http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html

I doubt it could be done if I tried anytime soon. 2012 was a magical year and my brain has since been pumped with many dysfunctioning poisons.

But who knows, maybe I'll get on it again.

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Quote from: hawkeye on October 09, 2013, 10:39:42 PM

Quote from: BitChick on October 09, 2013, 08:51:12 PM

Perhaps the caveman were smarter or at least wiser than we are today? They looked up to the stars and realized that there must be someone greater then they were.

They also thought the sun revolved around the Earth. And the thunder was when God was angry. etc, etc...

OK. I will give you that. But as far as having a simple faith and believing in God, they may have been less "foolish" than so many are now. The most dangerous sin of all is pride. Pride is what makes us think we know more than God or don't even need God and I think it is as the root of what causes many people to want to believe in Atheism. Otherwise they would have to be humble enough to submit to a higher power and in reality many of us do not want to do that, or think we are just too "smart" to even believe.

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Quote from: dank on October 09, 2013, 03:14:35 PM

I am god, though I also have an ego. I am not yet strong enough to move the sun, I don't believe it enough.

I am godly enough to hold back a piece of a cloud from moving though, for this has been witnessed.

I know some people that would give you $1,000,000 if you could do this under controlled circumstances.

Since you are looking for money to fund a concert, why not do this?

http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html

Vod

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Quote from: BitChick on October 09, 2013, 08:51:12 PM

Quote from: RodeoX on October 09, 2013, 04:26:22 PM

How could a caveman look up at the stars and not invent God? People want an explanation more than they want the truth. IMO, that is why God is still going strong even though we know it is mythology.

Psalm 14:1 The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good.

Perhaps the caveman were smarter or at least wiser than we are today? They looked up to the stars and realized that there must be someone greater then they were.

I know I will probably not make many friends here with that verse! But before you shoot me down just remember that I did not write it. Just quoting it.

The only way you can use the bible as any kind of proof is if you believe the men 2,000 years ago did not lie or make up stories. Does your gullible mind believe that?

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Quote from: BitChick on October 09, 2013, 08:51:12 PM

Perhaps the caveman were smarter or at least wiser than we are today? They looked up to the stars and realized that there must be someone greater then they were.

They also thought the sun revolved around the Earth. And the thunder was when God was angry. etc, etc...

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Quote from: Rassah on October 09, 2013, 05:41:33 PM

Quote from: dank on October 09, 2013, 02:32:30 PM

The problem with god isn't a lack of existence of god, it is the definition of it.

f something is without definition, then it is also without meaning. The great shlagrl-blagrl is all matter, energy, and everything all around us, and it loves us, but I can't define it other than it's just everything... Useless.

Unless you transcend your physical being and become everything. Very not useless, very empowering to your soul.

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Quote from: RodeoX on October 09, 2013, 04:26:22 PM

How could a caveman look up at the stars and not invent God? People want an explanation more than they want the truth. IMO, that is why God is still going strong even though we know it is mythology.

Psalm 14:1 The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good.

Perhaps the caveman were smarter or at least wiser than we are today? They looked up to the stars and realized that there must be someone greater then they were.

I know I will probably not make many friends here with that verse! But before you shoot me down just remember that I did not write it. Just quoting it.

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Quote from: dank on October 09, 2013, 02:32:30 PM

The problem with god isn't a lack of existence of god, it is the definition of it.

f something is without definition, then it is also without meaning. The great shlagrl-blagrl is all matter, energy, and everything all around us, and it loves us, but I can't define it other than it's just everything... Useless.

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