The real winning of gambling is withdrawals - page 36.

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Quote from: EluguHcman on June 12, 2024, 02:58:48 PM

Although that is strictly on the concept of when you are gambling for fun while the profit chasers are the ones who only accounts winning on their cashing out and giving account to what they utilizes the money on.

If you don't only rate your winnings based on the cashout, how do you think it should be calculated? Let's say I deposited $10 into my betting account.

From my first few games, I was able to turn that $10 into $100 or more, which is already on the profit side, but due to greed and overconfidence that I can still win more if I place a bet with a higher wager amount, I continued betting, and I ended up losing both the $90 profit and the $10 initial deposit to the casino. Should that be considered winning, or what will you call it?

If your balance is still at $10 in your account then you are not said to win and lose, everything is as in the beginning you do not have any profit and do not have any winnings you just have fun in your game. I think that's enough answer for you for that position, but if you lose that $10 then you lose, even though you have previously reached $100 in the previous time from your gambling activities, and if it has not returned to your wallet your losses and winnings are still in question, do not delay the money in your casino account.

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Even if a person only wins $5 from gambling and then he can withdraw it, he can be said to be a winner because his money increases from his gambling activities, it's that simple to understand the context, no matter how much you win if you don't withdraw it to your personal wallet you can't be said to be a winner.

Thats right - not your keys, not your coins. Once we can withdraw it and the coins are in our personal wallet, then we can claim it as a real win.
When the profits are still in the form of credit at the casino = the coins are still under control and belong to the casino, not us.

It's quite simple to understand the concept, not your wallet not your coins, just like in the casino too I agree with your expression on this issue, and it can be said the most correct conclusion, no matter the millions of dollars won or how little is won from gambling if it doesn't reach our wallets it's a questionable victory, don't let them control our money because we don't withdraw it, there are not a few incidents of losing money in their casino accounts.

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Quote from: hyudien on June 14, 2024, 12:50:30 AM

It is true, the role of self-control in gambling is important because it is one of the things that must be mastered well so that large losses do not occur. with many gamblers experiencing big losses and other bad impacts, it is because they do not have good self-control, so gambling affects their thinking completely and makes them eventually become addicted and it is difficult to get out. Controlling yourself is certainly something that is not easy, especially if it involves profit or winning. Many people lose the victory they have obtained because they cannot control themselves when they win
thoughts about the bigger wins that can be obtained arise when they win and influence gamblers not to stop, but to continue gambling by increasing the amount of their bet, but the risk of losing cannot be lost until in the end they experience defeat with lost capital and accompanying winnings. and for those who have gambled following their greed, it is not easy to stop unless they have lost all the money they have, and only then can they stop gambling. and indeed those who can win are the real winners, because they do not waste the winnings they have obtained.

It seems to me that the most important thing in the issue we are discussing is maintaining the bankroll that we have allocated for the game. If we have a certain amount in the account for the game and we use it at our own discretion, then we must adhere to the rules for spending on the game and one bet. All this is done as a percentage. You also need to come up with a loss limit for one day, for example, no more than 2.5% - 4% per day. I came up with these numbers off the top of my head as an example, but for me they are acceptable. But the most important thing is not even knowing these rules, but observing them, because gambling tests our strength and discipline. If we show weakness, then emotions will take over us and will control and dictate to our brain what rash actions to take.

True, maintaining bankroll is a top priority when we are involved in gambling, none other than because the risk of losing in gambling can be very large which makes us lose significant amounts of money, and if we want to maintain the stability of our bankroll then obviously the first thing to do is prioritize ourselves with various precautions such as for example keeping the action so as not to overdo it or that means always risking the amount we can afford to lose and never try various actions that are too excessive because you can feel emotional and that's where usually bad possibilities can be more likely to occur. On the other hand, it is true what you said that the most difficult thing is to obey all the rules that we have previously made, because in some cases usually in the end they often get carried away and forget all the rules they have made before, meaning that it is useless for you to make rules if in the end you don't obey them, meaning that I would advise that making plans is not enough, meaning you need to apply firmness in yourself to stick to the plans about the limits you have made.

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Quote from: Moreno233 on June 12, 2024, 12:01:07 PM

Whenever I win, I usually feel this strong urge to gamble more and also increase the amount I'm using to gamble. I do fall for this urge most times and the result is always disastrous as I end up losing the money I won with great pain and regrets. The only time I can say I have won is when I make withdrawals and possibly use the money for something else. As long as the money is still in the platform, there is a high chance of using it to gamble more. I decided to create this topic to see how other people manage their winning in gambling. If I notice a better approach, I will switch immediately as I don't want to continue experiencing the pain of winning and later losing the money again.

Gambling to win and gamble more to win more is not a new practice in the gambling world only that if you do it wrongly, you will have to face the music. If you are a fearful gambler, my brother, do it your way, gamble, win and withdraw your money ASAP. This is to avoid emotions playing on your intelligence, it is as simple as that. And if you want this to be more effective, try as much as you can to lower your wagering amount, so that when you gamble again after the initial winning that you withdrew, you will be able to continue gambling from the winning when you deposit again until the winning day will happen once more.

But for those who are deeply rooted in gambling and are serious about the game, they can continue to gamble regardless. However, they should not do this without a viable plan, they should be very smart with it by having a good gambling strategy, budget and management. They should know what works for them, and what triggers their emotion before having their gambling system and plans to avoid issues. Many will have money in their gambling account and gamble for over 3 months before they withdraw a penny. This is because they are always losing but because they have not achieved their gambling results which can call for any withdrawal.

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Quote from: Moreno233 on June 12, 2024, 12:01:07 PM

Whenever I win, I usually feel this strong urge to gamble more and also increase the amount I'm using to gamble. I do fall for this urge most times and the result is always disastrous as I end up losing the money I won with great pain and regrets. The only time I can say I have won is when I make withdrawals and possibly use the money for something else. As long as the money is still in the platform, there is a high chance of using it to gamble more. I decided to create this topic to see how other people manage their winning in gambling. If I notice a better approach, I will switch immediately as I don't want to continue experiencing the pain of winning and later losing the money again.

I'll tell you what I do in this case. Imagine that I deposited 5$ and won 25$. In this case, I either withdraw 25$ or withdraw 20$ and leave 5$ deposit on my account for further gambling sessions and fun.
I always deposit what I can afford to lose. When I win a significant amount of money, I stop and withdraw, especially if I need money or want to make a small payment. It's not really hard to control yourself, set limits that if you win over this amount of money, you'll stop gambling and stick with it. It takes some time for some people to adjust this measurement but it's not really hard.

Yes, in essence, maybe I would say that you have a good approach to the gambling activities that you have, and indeed cashing out is always an action that is recommended for all gamblers, especially when they manage to achieve a number of wins, and for me, it's usually for example the amount of the balance in the account. I have doubled my capital so usually I will immediately withdraw it to buy some of the things I need in the online shop.

However, that is a good and balanced approach, because this way it means we can really enjoy the results of our gambling without any pressure. As we know, however, gambling will still be an activity that leads to two possibilities at the end of the session, either winning or losing. Winning is always unknown when it will come because luck can lead us to victory, meaning that if we are lucky then it is a decision that we make. It is very wise to cash out and enjoy the money we win rather than not having it at all, we have to understand that getting the winnings is not as easy as turning the palm of your hand, which means that is why cashing out is always a wise decision that is recommended.

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Quote from: Moreno233 on June 12, 2024, 12:01:07 PM

Whenever I win, I usually feel this strong urge to gamble more and also increase the amount I'm using to gamble. I do fall for this urge most times and the result is always disastrous as I end up losing the money I won with great pain and regrets. The only time I can say I have won is when I make withdrawals and possibly use the money for something else. As long as the money is still in the platform, there is a high chance of using it to gamble more. I decided to create this topic to see how other people manage their winning in gambling. If I notice a better approach, I will switch immediately as I don't want to continue experiencing the pain of winning and later losing the money again.

I'll tell you what I do in this case. Imagine that I deposited 5$ and won 25$. In this case, I either withdraw 25$ or withdraw 20$ and leave 5$ deposit on my account for further gambling sessions and fun.
I always deposit what I can afford to lose. When I win a significant amount of money, I stop and withdraw, especially if I need money or want to make a small payment. It's not really hard to control yourself, set limits that if you win over this amount of money, you'll stop gambling and stick with it. It takes some time for some people to adjust this measurement but it's not really hard.

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Self-control when gambling is of course very important because if we gamble too often it will be difficult for us to control ourselves when gambling and it will be better when we have won the bet we played then we can withdraw it to be able to enjoy it, indeed most from gamblers who have won and continue their bets because they cannot control themselves when gambling and after they experience a loss at gambling, they continue to force themselves to gamble again in the hope of being able to get back the losses they got, this will certainly make them come back. experience defeat and it would be better when gambling, we can do as you say, we can know when to stop and not gamble with greed.

It is true, the role of self-control in gambling is important because it is one of the things that must be mastered well so that large losses do not occur. with many gamblers experiencing big losses and other bad impacts, it is because they do not have good self-control, so gambling affects their thinking completely and makes them eventually become addicted and it is difficult to get out. Controlling yourself is certainly something that is not easy, especially if it involves profit or winning. Many people lose the victory they have obtained because they cannot control themselves when they win
thoughts about the bigger wins that can be obtained arise when they win and influence gamblers not to stop, but to continue gambling by increasing the amount of their bet, but the risk of losing cannot be lost until in the end they experience defeat with lost capital and accompanying winnings. and for those who have gambled following their greed, it is not easy to stop unless they have lost all the money they have, and only then can they stop gambling. and indeed those who can win are the real winners, because they do not waste the winnings they have obtained.

It seems to me that the most important thing in the issue we are discussing is maintaining the bankroll that we have allocated for the game. If we have a certain amount in the account for the game and we use it at our own discretion, then we must adhere to the rules for spending on the game and one bet. All this is done as a percentage. You also need to come up with a loss limit for one day, for example, no more than 2.5% - 4% per day. I came up with these numbers off the top of my head as an example, but for me they are acceptable. But the most important thing is not even knowing these rules, but observing them, because gambling tests our strength and discipline. If we show weakness, then emotions will take over us and will control and dictate to our brain what rash actions to take.

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Quote from: Moreno233 on June 12, 2024, 12:01:07 PM

Whenever I win, I usually feel this strong urge to gamble more and also increase the amount I'm using to gamble. I do fall for this urge most times and the result is always disastrous as I end up losing the money I won with great pain and regrets. The only time I can say I have won is when I make withdrawals and possibly use the money for something else. As long as the money is still in the platform, there is a high chance of using it to gamble more. I decided to create this topic to see how other people manage their winning in gambling. If I notice a better approach, I will switch immediately as I don't want to continue experiencing the pain of winning and later losing the money again.

It's time to change your mindset. It's not about getting a withdrawal and feeling satisfied, because eventually, you'll come back the next day or two to gamble again. Try to change your goal to a long-term one. For that, you need to be serious about setting up a real bankroll, which will prevent you from getting greedy when you are in a roll. Just practice real bankroll discipline, and that should work. We can't be satisfied with short-term wins; we should aim for long-term success.

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Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on June 13, 2024, 11:00:01 PM

This is exactly what the casino is counting on, as the OP correctly states. The longer the moment of withdrawing money passes, the stronger a person’s greed and desire to win even more will work. Unfortunately, such thoughts often lead to a complete loss of all winnings. Therefore, you should not hesitate to withdraw your winnings; moreover, acquire something different from your gaming preferences to understand that you won and did not use the money again to play.

Yeah, that's what the casinos want, as you say. It is by design, to have gamblers wanting to bet just one more time, until they run out of money.

It's a classical thing, seen in all kinds of addiction, like alcohol for example, just one beer, until you don't have more money or more liver to continue.

The thing with casinos though is that you can lose a lot of money very fast, in a single night you can lose all your money.

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Quote from: boty on June 13, 2024, 06:52:02 PM

Self-control when gambling is of course very important because if we gamble too often it will be difficult for us to control ourselves when gambling and it will be better when we have won the bet we played then we can withdraw it to be able to enjoy it, indeed most from gamblers who have won and continue their bets because they cannot control themselves when gambling and after they experience a loss at gambling, they continue to force themselves to gamble again in the hope of being able to get back the losses they got, this will certainly make them come back. experience defeat and it would be better when gambling, we can do as you say, we can know when to stop and not gamble with greed.

It is true, the role of self-control in gambling is important because it is one of the things that must be mastered well so that large losses do not occur. with many gamblers experiencing big losses and other bad impacts, it is because they do not have good self-control, so gambling affects their thinking completely and makes them eventually become addicted and it is difficult to get out. Controlling yourself is certainly something that is not easy, especially if it involves profit or winning. Many people lose the victory they have obtained because they cannot control themselves when they win
thoughts about the bigger wins that can be obtained arise when they win and influence gamblers not to stop, but to continue gambling by increasing the amount of their bet, but the risk of losing cannot be lost until in the end they experience defeat with lost capital and accompanying winnings. and for those who have gambled following their greed, it is not easy to stop unless they have lost all the money they have, and only then can they stop gambling. and indeed those who can win are the real winners, because they do not waste the winnings they have obtained.

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Quote from: Bravut on June 12, 2024, 08:34:24 PM

The only remedy to your case OP, which is a general virus among Gamblers, is having control and being intentional about your actions thus power over greed, having a plan concerning withdrawal after a win, and allowing the initial deposit this will help and ensure a stable phase of funds flowing during a win or loss.
We need to be more disciplined to resist such urge anytime it arises.

I completely agree with you self control is the key and watch word whether in profit or not, there are emotions attached to when we win and when we loss, at some point when we win we feel there are more on the way such that the only thing we think about at that point is winning and by so doing power over greed we become bursted and end up spending more money and time and probably ends up chasing losses. However some people find it difficult to go for a break simply because they are on the winning spot light forgetting that if continues there are probabilities of Lossing everything you have got and thereafter regrets will become of you because you refused letting go of your winning spot not until you loss everything, it takes decipline and self control to avert this circumstance which every gambler can become a victim.

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Quote from: Moreno233 on June 12, 2024, 12:01:07 PM

Whenever I win, I usually feel this strong urge to gamble more and also increase the amount I'm using to gamble. I do fall for this urge most times and the result is always disastrous as I end up losing the money I won with great pain and regrets. The only time I can say I have won is when I make withdrawals and possibly use the money for something else. As long as the money is still in the platform, there is a high chance of using it to gamble more. I decided to create this topic to see how other people manage their winning in gambling. If I notice a better approach, I will switch immediately as I don't want to continue experiencing the pain of winning and later losing the money again.

Winning or losing, gamblers will always be faced with the choice of stopping or continuing, and those who have self-control will make the right decision.
I agree that withdrawing profits is a real win, because you are not the only one who experiences continuing to gamble when funds are still available in our account, or also increasing bets when they are profitable because they hope for bigger profits, but usually that also makes us run out of funds more quickly, especially if it is a game based on luck.
But actually, if you have gambled with money that you can afford to lose, it shouldn't be a problem if in the end you have to lose it all even though our money at the casino has doubled and so on because we made the wrong decision by continuing the game and also increasing the bet.

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Quote from: lovesmayfamilis on June 13, 2024, 11:00:01 PM

This is exactly what the casino is counting on, as the OP correctly states. The longer the moment of withdrawing money passes, the stronger a person’s greed and desire to win even more will work. Unfortunately, such thoughts often lead to a complete loss of all winnings. Therefore, you should not hesitate to withdraw your winnings; moreover, acquire something different from your gaming preferences to understand that you won and did not use the money again to play.

They're not exactly waiting for that moment, the greedy part comes first after all and when it does, things will eventually happen as they should when people are greedy. The casinos are also banking on the fact that the promise of big money is within the reach of everyone, that only one spin in the slots or roulettes or one big win in blackjack and they'd get a lot of money in the process. Totally agree with your advise though, never ever hesitate withdrawing your money especially if you've already made some wins and there's also an urge to put those wins into gambling again to get more money but never ever give in to that urge because it's a trap.

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Quote from: Moreno233 on June 12, 2024, 12:01:07 PM

Whenever I win, I usually feel this strong urge to gamble more and also increase the amount I'm using to gamble. I do fall for this urge most times and the result is always disastrous as I end up losing the money I won with great pain and regrets. The only time I can say I have won is when I make withdrawals and possibly use the money for something else. As long as the money is still in the platform, there is a high chance of using it to gamble more. I decided to create this topic to see how other people manage their winning in gambling. If I notice a better approach, I will switch immediately as I don't want to continue experiencing the pain of winning and later losing the money again.

This is the right approach. After all, if someone wins at the casino and does not withdraw this money, then we can assume that this person did not win. You need to have a goal that has a price. And if the gambler has won enough money to achieve this goal: whether it's a vacation trip, or buying a TV or a motorcycle, you need to realize this goal. Of course, I know a lot of betting enthusiasts and gamblers who could buy something with a win, but then pawn this thing in order to go to the casino again and lose this money. But definitely the percentage of such addicted gamblers is very small. And if the gambler has won something, he should not exchange this thing back for money.

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This is exactly what the casino is counting on, as the OP correctly states. The longer the moment of withdrawing money passes, the stronger a person’s greed and desire to win even more will work. Unfortunately, such thoughts often lead to a complete loss of all winnings. Therefore, you should not hesitate to withdraw your winnings; moreover, acquire something different from your gaming preferences to understand that you won and did not use the money again to play.

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Quote from: Issa56 on June 13, 2024, 04:53:32 PM

Quote from: Moreno233 on June 12, 2024, 12:01:07 PM

Whenever I win, I usually feel this strong urge to gamble more and also increase the amount I'm using to gamble. I do fall for this urge most times and the result is always disastrous as I end up losing the money I won with great pain and regrets.

That’s gambling for you, whenever you are gambling and winning, you are always motivated to gamble more, but if you can’t control yourself, then you will end up regretting it. When gambling and winning, the winning can’t continue, and that’s what most people don’t understand. people gambling for the sake of money will want to win back all the money they have lost from gambling, but they don’t know that if they don’t stop gambling early, they will end up losing more money. So when gambling and winning, don’t be carried away,know when to stop.

Self-control when gambling is of course very important because if we gamble too often it will be difficult for us to control ourselves when gambling and it will be better when we have won the bet we played then we can withdraw it to be able to enjoy it, indeed most from gamblers who have won and continue their bets because they cannot control themselves when gambling and after they experience a loss at gambling, they continue to force themselves to gamble again in the hope of being able to get back the losses they got, this will certainly make them come back. experience defeat and it would be better when gambling, we can do as you say, we can know when to stop and not gamble with greed.

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Quote from: Makus on June 13, 2024, 04:50:20 PM

This is gambling, and humans generally are difficult to satisfy, no matter the amount of win a gambler makes, if he is not disciplined he is likely to still make deposit and try to double the profit once more and majority of this experience by gamblers turn out to be the start of them losing all they have won. Like I said earlier it take only a disciplined person to stay clear from this habit, withdrawing your profit from the casino or gambling platform doesn't really guarantee that you cannot still make deposit and gambling with all the wins. This is one of the reason we must first sharpen our thoughts to know good from bad so we don't fall victim because of ignorance or greed. I once used to be greedy but after I noticed the error, I had to look for alternative, and then I started using the money from my wins to purchase things immediately I won a bet. Sometimes I look back and think of how funny some of my actions were, but that really help me shapen my mind out of addiction zone, I can now make deposit without touching the funds for weeks.

A satisfying idea above is the line you mentioned about depositing again after withdrawing the money. Winning in gambling is far beyond funds. It's like spending funds meant to be used for a specific purpose on another utility to replenish later and purchase the other. The funds would definitely get deposited again. Players should change the perspective behind gambling as a no exchange platform. Casinos provides facilities to make players comfortable, they also try as hard as possible to retain the comfort. They'll think beyond the players to make funds. The provisions like, machines, drinks, staff and rewards made by the casino is the exchange for our money.

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Quote from: Moreno233 on June 12, 2024, 12:01:07 PM

Whenever I win, I usually feel this strong urge to gamble more and also increase the amount I'm using to gamble. I do fall for this urge most times and the result is always disastrous as I end up losing the money I won with great pain and regrets.

That’s gambling for you, whenever you are gambling and winning, you are always motivated to gamble more, but if you can’t control yourself, then you will end up regretting it. When gambling and winning, the winning can’t continue, and that’s what most people don’t understand. people gambling for the sake of money will want to win back all the money they have lost from gambling, but they don’t know that if they don’t stop gambling early, they will end up losing more money. So when gambling and winning, don’t be carried away,know when to stop.

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Quote from: Agbe on June 13, 2024, 03:57:21 PM

The people withdraw all the wins and never to play again? I don't think that possible for any gambler because that kind of winning is also another way of making people to gamble more. Though winner might withdraw all the money at that time and spend them all but after some time he will still come back again and play because money is not enough for the poor and not for anyone. But I like what you said in the last paragraph. It is good to keep some funds in the account to have fun whenever you are bored.

This is gambling, and humans generally are difficult to satisfy, no matter the amount of win a gambler makes, if he is not disciplined he is likely to still make deposit and try to double the profit once more and majority of this experience by gamblers turn out to be the start of them losing all they have won. Like I said earlier it take only a disciplined person to stay clear from this habit, withdrawing your profit from the casino or gambling platform doesn't really guarantee that you cannot still make deposit and gambling with all the wins. This is one of the reason we must first sharpen our thoughts to know good from bad so we don't fall victim because of ignorance or greed. I once used to be greedy but after I noticed the error, I had to look for alternative, and then I started using the money from my wins to purchase things immediately I won a bet. Sometimes I look back and think of how funny some of my actions were, but that really help me shapen my mind out of addiction zone, I can now make deposit without touching the funds for weeks.

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I can understand people having this take. You could say the same thing about an investment portfolio. Have you really made any profit if you haven’t spent any of the money? That’s sort of a deep question that has me wanting to cash out some stocks, but I think for a gambler you could also say they cover their bankroll for future entertainment purposes.

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Quote from: bitbollo on June 13, 2024, 02:43:12 PM

... I am still missing directbet.eu
You had just to place your bet and then get directly on your wallet the wins.
I am pretty sure we will see again such innovation/or a gambling style similar to this.

Agree hehe, even though they offer smaller odds compared to other sportsbooks, I feel comfortable when betting on directbet, maybe because of the privacy.
There are already several Web3 platforms that offer the services like that, but they definitely wont use BTC and ETH such as Directbet due to confirmation time, doublespend, expensive fees.

Quote from: topbitcoin on June 13, 2024, 02:45:48 PM

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Even if a person only wins $5 from gambling and then he can withdraw it, he can be said to be a winner because his money increases from his gambling activities, it's that simple to understand the context, no matter how much you win if you don't withdraw it to your personal wallet you can't be said to be a winner.

Thats right - not your keys, not your coins. Once we can withdraw it and the coins are in our personal wallet, then we can claim it as a real win.
When the profits are still in the form of credit at the casino = the coins are still under control and belong to the casino, not us.

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