"Mr. kiklo, look at my new toy for five seconds."
So that explains why I woke up in an Asian Brothel.
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February 27, 2017, 01:51:44 AM
"Mr. kiklo, look at my new toy for five seconds."
So that explains why I woke up in an Asian Brothel.
February 27, 2017, 01:31:39 AM
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Satoshi Nakamoto is an anagram of "I am NSA took oaths". In Japanese Satoshi Nakamoto literally translates to "Central Intelligence".
Want to see something Funny:
Satoshi Nakamoto
(Urban Translation) (Japanese Translation) (Japanese Translation) (Urban Translation)
Sato SHI Naka moto
To Fake Out Death Inside Motivator
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sato
http://www.kanjijapanese.com/en/dictionary-japanese-english/shi
Also included under Shi
6. shi-aie- CIA
7. shi-aie- Central Intelligence Agency
http://www.kanjijapanese.com/en/dictionary-japanese-english/Naka
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=moto
Never let it be said the Clowns In Action (CIA), don't have a sense of humor.
FYI:
Oh Crap, who is that at the door?
Satoshi Nakamoto
(Urban Translation) (Japanese Translation) (Japanese Translation) (Urban Translation)
Sato SHI Naka moto
To Fake Out Death Inside Motivator
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sato
http://www.kanjijapanese.com/en/dictionary-japanese-english/shi
Also included under Shi
6. shi-aie- CIA
7. shi-aie- Central Intelligence Agency
http://www.kanjijapanese.com/en/dictionary-japanese-english/Naka
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=moto
Never let it be said the Clowns In Action (CIA), don't have a sense of humor.
FYI:
Oh Crap, who is that at the door?
"Mr. kiklo, look at my new toy for five seconds."
February 27, 2017, 12:41:22 AM
Quote
Satoshi Nakamoto is an anagram of "I am NSA took oaths". In Japanese Satoshi Nakamoto literally translates to "Central Intelligence".
Want to see something Funny:
Satoshi Nakamoto
(Urban Translation) (Japanese Translation) (Japanese Translation) (Urban Translation)
Sato SHI Naka moto
To Fake Out Death Inside Motivator
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sato
http://www.kanjijapanese.com/en/dictionary-japanese-english/shi
Also included under Shi
6. shi-aie- CIA
7. shi-aie- Central Intelligence Agency
http://www.kanjijapanese.com/en/dictionary-japanese-english/Naka
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=moto
Never let it be said the Clowns In Action (CIA), don't have a sense of humor.
FYI:
Oh Crap, who is that at the door?
Satoshi Nakamoto
(Urban Translation) (Japanese Translation) (Japanese Translation) (Urban Translation)
Sato SHI Naka moto
To Fake Out Death Inside Motivator
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sato
http://www.kanjijapanese.com/en/dictionary-japanese-english/shi
Also included under Shi
6. shi-aie- CIA
7. shi-aie- Central Intelligence Agency
http://www.kanjijapanese.com/en/dictionary-japanese-english/Naka
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=moto
Never let it be said the Clowns In Action (CIA), don't have a sense of humor.
FYI:
Oh Crap, who is that at the door?
February 26, 2017, 11:34:48 PM
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Difficult choice cause even the best big block devs like Gavin said segwit and LN were a great idea but this is something one needs to really think about.
Is this the same Gavin who once held an audience with the CIA, and later lightning-speed confirmed beyond reasonable doubt that Craig Steven Wright IS Satoshi Nakamoto?
It was the FBI actually and i seen it brought up before at Coindesk or something.
I can't find the source right now though.
I bet if you simply asked him he would admit it happened.. it's public knowledge.
This mentions the CIA in 2011.. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/gavin-will-visit-the-cia-6652
But i heard a different story in late 2013 regarding the FBI.
All that was said is that he was requested to come and speak to them about Bitcoin.
I don't know maybe i am reeeeally wrong on that but i could have sworn the above is true
The FBI has a history of that too.. Jesse Ventura said they did it to him too.
And yeah the Segwit shit looks shocking
With apologies, I only have 5 seconds, so ... http://www.newsbtc.com/2016/05/08/bitcoin-connection-cia-satoshi-nakamoto/
Quote
Satoshi Nakamoto is an anagram of "I am NSA took oaths". In Japanese Satoshi Nakamoto literally translates to "Central Intelligence".
February 26, 2017, 10:27:42 PM
Quote
Difficult choice cause even the best big block devs like Gavin said segwit and LN were a great idea but this is something one needs to really think about.
Is this the same Gavin who once held an audience with the CIA, and later lightning-speed confirmed beyond reasonable doubt that Craig Steven Wright IS Satoshi Nakamoto?
It was the FBI actually and i seen it brought up before at Coindesk or something.
I can't find the source right now though.
I bet if you simply asked him he would admit it happened.. it's public knowledge.
This mentions the CIA in 2011.. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/gavin-will-visit-the-cia-6652
But i heard a different story in late 2013 regarding the FBI.
All that was said is that he was requested to come and speak to them about Bitcoin.
I don't know maybe i am reeeeally wrong on that but i could have sworn the above is true
The FBI has a history of that too.. Jesse Ventura said they did it to him too.
And yeah the Segwit shit looks shocking
With apologies, I only have 5 seconds, so ... http://www.newsbtc.com/2016/05/08/bitcoin-connection-cia-satoshi-nakamoto/
February 26, 2017, 09:27:37 PM
Quote
Difficult choice cause even the best big block devs like Gavin said segwit and LN were a great idea but this is something one needs to really think about.
Is this the same Gavin who once held an audience with the CIA, and later lightning-speed confirmed beyond reasonable doubt that Craig Steven Wright IS Satoshi Nakamoto?
It was the FBI actually and i seen it brought up before at Coindesk or something.
I can't find the source right now though.
I bet if you simply asked him he would admit it happened.. it's public knowledge.
This mentions the CIA in 2011.. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/gavin-will-visit-the-cia-6652
But i heard a different story in late 2013 regarding the FBI.
All that was said is that he was requested to come and speak to them about Bitcoin.
I don't know maybe i am reeeeally wrong on that but i could have sworn the above is true
The FBI has a history of that too.. Jesse Ventura said they did it to him too.
And yeah the Segwit shit looks shocking
February 26, 2017, 08:50:07 PM
Gleb, your CIA stuff is so looooooong to follow. This is the x generation, you got 5 seconds or less.
See how that works?
I'm gonna tell Satoshi about this.
February 26, 2017, 08:45:37 PM
wright played everyone! ATO even.
there was a settlement on the hotwire co
wright made a deal with regards to the ATO refund.
When he gets the IP, wright just walks and leaves millions on the table. Everyone think 50 mill too big and wright will care.
All he care was that the ATO thik s it a fraud. He never want ATO to think he was Satoshi, he wanted them to think him fraud!
The ATO rite off value to zero$ Say no real IP. No coin, all zero. Then wright moves to UK and companies to Antigua.
He move it all overseas using big law firms. Always big ones. 1000s per hour each lawyer and wright hash many
Now, again zero tax. You just wait. Wright played government as well, they think fraud and then it real. They value IP at zero and now he makes it patent and keeps it. All with zero tax.
It real but he make it seem fraud so they say it worthless IP and then wright gets to move overseas with zero tax.
It all hels him get away tax free again. Small amount. IP claim for patents little. Wright did not care for 50 million when there are billions at risk.
if tax ppl have gone for him and see him as satoshi, they take 100s millions or billkions
if they think him fake, nothing and nobody see this!
there was a settlement on the hotwire co
wright made a deal with regards to the ATO refund.
When he gets the IP, wright just walks and leaves millions on the table. Everyone think 50 mill too big and wright will care.
All he care was that the ATO thik s it a fraud. He never want ATO to think he was Satoshi, he wanted them to think him fraud!
The ATO rite off value to zero$ Say no real IP. No coin, all zero. Then wright moves to UK and companies to Antigua.
He move it all overseas using big law firms. Always big ones. 1000s per hour each lawyer and wright hash many
Now, again zero tax. You just wait. Wright played government as well, they think fraud and then it real. They value IP at zero and now he makes it patent and keeps it. All with zero tax.
It real but he make it seem fraud so they say it worthless IP and then wright gets to move overseas with zero tax.
It all hels him get away tax free again. Small amount. IP claim for patents little. Wright did not care for 50 million when there are billions at risk.
if tax ppl have gone for him and see him as satoshi, they take 100s millions or billkions
if they think him fake, nothing and nobody see this!
Tell them about how he wants to create a fake satoshi to throw off suspicion that's he's the real deal.
Two thugs looking for a "George Kaplan" at a hotel bar see a waiter calling out for him at the same time advertising executive Roger Thornhill (Cary Grant) summons the waiter. Thornhill, thus, is mistaken for "George Kaplan". Kidnapped by the thugs, he is brought to the Long Island estate of Lester Townsend, and interrogated by spy Phillip Vandamm (James Mason). Thornhill vehemently denies he is Kaplan. Vandamm thinks he is lying and Vandamm's henchman Leonard (Martin Landau) tries to arrange Thornhill's death, but Thornhill manages to escape a staged drunken driving accident.
...
Meanwhile, a government intelligence agency picks up the news and realizes Thornhill has been mistaken for "George Kaplan," a fictional persona created by the agency to thwart Vandamm. However, Thornhill is not rescued for fear of compromising their operation.
...
He tracks her to an art auction, where he finds Vandamm and his thugs. Vandamm purchases a Mexican Purépecha statue and departs.
...
At the house, Thornhill overhears that the sculpture holds
Later, Thornhill invites Kendall, as the new Mrs. Thornhill, onto the upper berth of a train, which then, suggestively, enters a tunnel.
Conclusion: Alfred Hitchcock planted the seeds for Bitcoin.
Quick aside (maybe): Anybody going to South by Southwest? http://schedule.sxsw.com/2017/events/PP68960
And if we're speakin' of Black Ops, here's the dude who coined South by Southwest (SxSW): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EI02uGb7peU&feature=youtu.be&t=64
February 26, 2017, 04:17:44 PM
wright played everyone! ATO even.
there was a settlement on the hotwire co
wright made a deal with regards to the ATO refund.
When he gets the IP, wright just walks and leaves millions on the table. Everyone think 50 mill too big and wright will care.
All he care was that the ATO thik s it a fraud. He never want ATO to think he was Satoshi, he wanted them to think him fraud!
The ATO rite off value to zero$ Say no real IP. No coin, all zero. Then wright moves to UK and companies to Antigua.
He move it all overseas using big law firms. Always big ones. 1000s per hour each lawyer and wright hash many
Now, again zero tax. You just wait. Wright played government as well, they think fraud and then it real. They value IP at zero and now he makes it patent and keeps it. All with zero tax.
It real but he make it seem fraud so they say it worthless IP and then wright gets to move overseas with zero tax.
It all hels him get away tax free again. Small amount. IP claim for patents little. Wright did not care for 50 million when there are billions at risk.
if tax ppl have gone for him and see him as satoshi, they take 100s millions or billkions
if they think him fake, nothing and nobody see this!
there was a settlement on the hotwire co
wright made a deal with regards to the ATO refund.
When he gets the IP, wright just walks and leaves millions on the table. Everyone think 50 mill too big and wright will care.
All he care was that the ATO thik s it a fraud. He never want ATO to think he was Satoshi, he wanted them to think him fraud!
The ATO rite off value to zero$ Say no real IP. No coin, all zero. Then wright moves to UK and companies to Antigua.
He move it all overseas using big law firms. Always big ones. 1000s per hour each lawyer and wright hash many
Now, again zero tax. You just wait. Wright played government as well, they think fraud and then it real. They value IP at zero and now he makes it patent and keeps it. All with zero tax.
It real but he make it seem fraud so they say it worthless IP and then wright gets to move overseas with zero tax.
It all hels him get away tax free again. Small amount. IP claim for patents little. Wright did not care for 50 million when there are billions at risk.
if tax ppl have gone for him and see him as satoshi, they take 100s millions or billkions
if they think him fake, nothing and nobody see this!
Tell them about how he wants to create a fake satoshi to throw off suspicion that's he's the real deal.
February 26, 2017, 03:29:33 PM
wright played everyone! ATO even.
there was a settlement on the hotwire co
wright made a deal with regards to the ATO refund.
When he gets the IP, wright just walks and leaves millions on the table. Everyone think 50 mill too big and wright will care.
All he care was that the ATO thik s it a fraud. He never want ATO to think he was Satoshi, he wanted them to think him fraud!
The ATO rite off value to zero$ Say no real IP. No coin, all zero. Then wright moves to UK and companies to Antigua.
He move it all overseas using big law firms. Always big ones. 1000s per hour each lawyer and wright hash many
Now, again zero tax. You just wait. Wright played government as well, they think fraud and then it real. They value IP at zero and now he makes it patent and keeps it. All with zero tax.
It real but he make it seem fraud so they say it worthless IP and then wright gets to move overseas with zero tax.
It all hels him get away tax free again. Small amount. IP claim for patents little. Wright did not care for 50 million when there are billions at risk.
if tax ppl have gone for him and see him as satoshi, they take 100s millions or billkions
if they think him fake, nothing and nobody see this!
there was a settlement on the hotwire co
wright made a deal with regards to the ATO refund.
When he gets the IP, wright just walks and leaves millions on the table. Everyone think 50 mill too big and wright will care.
All he care was that the ATO thik s it a fraud. He never want ATO to think he was Satoshi, he wanted them to think him fraud!
The ATO rite off value to zero$ Say no real IP. No coin, all zero. Then wright moves to UK and companies to Antigua.
He move it all overseas using big law firms. Always big ones. 1000s per hour each lawyer and wright hash many
Now, again zero tax. You just wait. Wright played government as well, they think fraud and then it real. They value IP at zero and now he makes it patent and keeps it. All with zero tax.
It real but he make it seem fraud so they say it worthless IP and then wright gets to move overseas with zero tax.
It all hels him get away tax free again. Small amount. IP claim for patents little. Wright did not care for 50 million when there are billions at risk.
if tax ppl have gone for him and see him as satoshi, they take 100s millions or billkions
if they think him fake, nothing and nobody see this!
February 26, 2017, 02:24:15 PM
Quote
Difficult choice cause even the best big block devs like Gavin said segwit and LN were a great idea but this is something one needs to really think about.
Is this the same Gavin who once held an audience with the CIA, and later lightning-speed confirmed beyond reasonable doubt that Craig Steven Wright IS Satoshi Nakamoto?
February 26, 2017, 02:16:15 PM
Wow man, that's some crazy stuff. I REALLY hate to agree with the idiots on /r/btc but maybe Blockstream is an illuminati slash bilderberg project. Sumbitches.
Difficult choice cause even the best big block devs like Gavin said segwit and LN were a great idea but this is something one needs to really think about.
Sumbitch illuminati. < --- had to say it again cause it makes me feel all anarchist-like inside.
I remember you guys were thinking of adding segwit, thought you should be aware of the latest on it.
blockstream put in the FIBRE network to change the topology of the network (as gatekeepers) so that if segwit activates the segwit nodes control what gets filtered down to old native nodes.
in simple terms segwit nodes receive a cluster of data which is one lump of data called the blockweight where the signatures have their own txid to link back to the txid of the baseblock. if they have whitelisted old native nodes they have to send the smaller 'base' block' to old native nodes
its bait and switched to pretend its one network but because the old nodes are not receiving the same data as the segwit nodes. a fresh segwit node wont sync from a native node.
a native node wont receive segwit unconfirmed transactions. so its a 'pretend' single network. but with differing data held and/or relayed.
same goes with segwits pruned nodes. a segwit node wanting a full sync wont sync from a pruned node. so again all these core features are causing issues for the REAL full node count.because not all the nodes hold all the same data.
core have swept under the carpet how they have made anything not segwit as being second class. but pretended its all good because its "compatible"
as you can see below.
on the left is what people for 6-7 years thought the node network looked like. with pools sending out data and EVERYONE sharing the same data.
on the right is how how segwit/fibre has changed the network topology. to centralise segwit as the gate keepers of what data non segwit nodes get
and yes, segwit nodes could simply not whitelist old native nodes and make it reliant on the pools to send data to old nodes, which looking at this image below is the one on the right.(very worse case scenario, but plausible)
EDIT:gmaxwell buzzwords
downstream(old) <-> upstream(segwit) <-> pool
its all explained here including the bit about signature/tx data
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.17607565
How do the signatures work? They are separated into two separate blocks so there would be two blockchains running? One would store a block of transactions and a block of signatures?
blockstream put in the FIBRE network to change the topology of the network (as gatekeepers) so that if segwit activates the segwit nodes control what gets filtered down to old native nodes.
in simple terms segwit nodes receive a cluster of data which is one lump of data called the blockweight where the signatures have their own txid to link back to the txid of the baseblock. if they have whitelisted old native nodes they have to send the smaller 'base' block' to old native nodes
its bait and switched to pretend its one network but because the old nodes are not receiving the same data as the segwit nodes. a fresh segwit node wont sync from a native node.
a native node wont receive segwit unconfirmed transactions. so its a 'pretend' single network. but with differing data held and/or relayed.
same goes with segwits pruned nodes. a segwit node wanting a full sync wont sync from a pruned node. so again all these core features are causing issues for the REAL full node count.because not all the nodes hold all the same data.
core have swept under the carpet how they have made anything not segwit as being second class. but pretended its all good because its "compatible"
as you can see below.
on the left is what people for 6-7 years thought the node network looked like. with pools sending out data and EVERYONE sharing the same data.
on the right is how how segwit/fibre has changed the network topology. to centralise segwit as the gate keepers of what data non segwit nodes get
and yes, segwit nodes could simply not whitelist old native nodes and make it reliant on the pools to send data to old nodes, which looking at this image below is the one on the right.(very worse case scenario, but plausible)
EDIT:gmaxwell buzzwords
downstream(old) <-> upstream(segwit) <-> pool
upstream(segwit) <-> pool<-> downstream(old)
its all explained here including the bit about signature/tx data
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.17607565
Latest on Dangers posed by Segwit,
Words of a Former Segwit Supporter Who has Realized the Truth!
https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/5vbofp/initially_i_liked_segwit_but_then_i_learned/
FYI:
Segwit => Trojan Virus for a Blockchain
Words of a Former Segwit Supporter Who has Realized the Truth!
Quote
Initially, I liked SegWit. But then I learned SegWit-as-a-SOFT-fork is dangerous (making transactions "anyone-can-spend"??) & centrally planned (1.7MB blocksize??). Instead, Bitcoin Unlimited is simple & safe, with MARKET-BASED BLOCKSIZE. This is why more & more people have decided to REJECT SEGWIT
https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/5vbofp/initially_i_liked_segwit_but_then_i_learned/
Quote
You wanted people like me to support you and install your code, Core / Blockstream?
Then you shouldn't have a released messy, dangerous, centrally planned hack like SegWit-as-a-soft-fork - with its random, arbitrary, centrally planned,
ridiculously tiny 1.7MB blocksize - and its dangerous "anyone-can-spend" soft-fork semantics.
Now it's too late. The market will reject SegWit - and it's all Core / Blockstream's fault.
The market prefers simpler, safer, future-proof, market-based solutions such as Bitcoin Unlimited.
Then you shouldn't have a released messy, dangerous, centrally planned hack like SegWit-as-a-soft-fork - with its random, arbitrary, centrally planned,
ridiculously tiny 1.7MB blocksize - and its dangerous "anyone-can-spend" soft-fork semantics.
Now it's too late. The market will reject SegWit - and it's all Core / Blockstream's fault.
The market prefers simpler, safer, future-proof, market-based solutions such as Bitcoin Unlimited.
Quote
The damage which would be caused by SegWit (at the financial, software, and governance level) would be massive:
Millions of lines of other Bitcoin code would have to be rewritten (in wallets, on exchanges, at businesses) in order to become compatible with all the messy non-standard kludges and workarounds which Blockstream was forced into adding to the code (the famous "technical debt") in order to get SegWit to work as a soft fork.
SegWit was originally sold to us as a "code clean-up". Heck, even I intially fell for it when I saw an early presentation by Pieter Wuille on YouTube from one of Blockstream's many, censored Bitcoin scaling stalling conferences)
But as we all later all discovered, SegWit is just a messy hack.
Probably the most dangerous aspect of SegWit is that it changes all transactions into "ANYONE-CAN-SPEND" without SegWit - all because of the messy workarounds necessary to do SegWit as a soft-fork. The kludges and workarounds involving SegWit's "ANYONE-CAN-SPEND" semantics would only work as long as SegWit is still installed.
This means that it would be impossible to roll-back SegWit - because all SegWit transactions that get recorded on the blockchain would now be interpreted as "ANYONE-CAN-SPEND" - so, SegWit's dangerous and messy "kludges and workarounds and hacks" would have to be made permanent - otherwise, anyone could spend those "ANYONE-CAN-SPEND" SegWit coins!
Segwit cannot be rolled back because to non-upgraded clients, ANYONE can spend Segwit txn outputs. If Segwit is rolled back, all funds locked in Segwit outputs can be taken by anyone. As more funds gets locked up in segwit outputs, incentive for miners to collude to claim them grows.
Millions of lines of other Bitcoin code would have to be rewritten (in wallets, on exchanges, at businesses) in order to become compatible with all the messy non-standard kludges and workarounds which Blockstream was forced into adding to the code (the famous "technical debt") in order to get SegWit to work as a soft fork.
SegWit was originally sold to us as a "code clean-up". Heck, even I intially fell for it when I saw an early presentation by Pieter Wuille on YouTube from one of Blockstream's many, censored Bitcoin scaling stalling conferences)
But as we all later all discovered, SegWit is just a messy hack.
Probably the most dangerous aspect of SegWit is that it changes all transactions into "ANYONE-CAN-SPEND" without SegWit - all because of the messy workarounds necessary to do SegWit as a soft-fork. The kludges and workarounds involving SegWit's "ANYONE-CAN-SPEND" semantics would only work as long as SegWit is still installed.
This means that it would be impossible to roll-back SegWit - because all SegWit transactions that get recorded on the blockchain would now be interpreted as "ANYONE-CAN-SPEND" - so, SegWit's dangerous and messy "kludges and workarounds and hacks" would have to be made permanent - otherwise, anyone could spend those "ANYONE-CAN-SPEND" SegWit coins!
Segwit cannot be rolled back because to non-upgraded clients, ANYONE can spend Segwit txn outputs. If Segwit is rolled back, all funds locked in Segwit outputs can be taken by anyone. As more funds gets locked up in segwit outputs, incentive for miners to collude to claim them grows.
FYI:
Segwit => Trojan Virus for a Blockchain
February 26, 2017, 01:46:24 PM
I remember you guys were thinking of adding segwit, thought you should be aware of the latest on it.
blockstream put in the FIBRE network to change the topology of the network (as gatekeepers) so that if segwit activates the segwit nodes control what gets filtered down to old native nodes.
in simple terms segwit nodes receive a cluster of data which is one lump of data called the blockweight where the signatures have their own txid to link back to the txid of the baseblock. if they have whitelisted old native nodes they have to send the smaller 'base' block' to old native nodes
its bait and switched to pretend its one network but because the old nodes are not receiving the same data as the segwit nodes. a fresh segwit node wont sync from a native node.
a native node wont receive segwit unconfirmed transactions. so its a 'pretend' single network. but with differing data held and/or relayed.
same goes with segwits pruned nodes. a segwit node wanting a full sync wont sync from a pruned node. so again all these core features are causing issues for the REAL full node count.because not all the nodes hold all the same data.
core have swept under the carpet how they have made anything not segwit as being second class. but pretended its all good because its "compatible"
as you can see below.
on the left is what people for 6-7 years thought the node network looked like. with pools sending out data and EVERYONE sharing the same data.
on the right is how how segwit/fibre has changed the network topology. to centralise segwit as the gate keepers of what data non segwit nodes get
and yes, segwit nodes could simply not whitelist old native nodes and make it reliant on the pools to send data to old nodes, which looking at this image below is the one on the right.(very worse case scenario, but plausible)
EDIT:gmaxwell buzzwords
downstream(old) <-> upstream(segwit) <-> pool
its all explained here including the bit about signature/tx data
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.17607565
How do the signatures work? They are separated into two separate blocks so there would be two blockchains running? One would store a block of transactions and a block of signatures?
blockstream put in the FIBRE network to change the topology of the network (as gatekeepers) so that if segwit activates the segwit nodes control what gets filtered down to old native nodes.
in simple terms segwit nodes receive a cluster of data which is one lump of data called the blockweight where the signatures have their own txid to link back to the txid of the baseblock. if they have whitelisted old native nodes they have to send the smaller 'base' block' to old native nodes
its bait and switched to pretend its one network but because the old nodes are not receiving the same data as the segwit nodes. a fresh segwit node wont sync from a native node.
a native node wont receive segwit unconfirmed transactions. so its a 'pretend' single network. but with differing data held and/or relayed.
same goes with segwits pruned nodes. a segwit node wanting a full sync wont sync from a pruned node. so again all these core features are causing issues for the REAL full node count.because not all the nodes hold all the same data.
core have swept under the carpet how they have made anything not segwit as being second class. but pretended its all good because its "compatible"
as you can see below.
on the left is what people for 6-7 years thought the node network looked like. with pools sending out data and EVERYONE sharing the same data.
on the right is how how segwit/fibre has changed the network topology. to centralise segwit as the gate keepers of what data non segwit nodes get
and yes, segwit nodes could simply not whitelist old native nodes and make it reliant on the pools to send data to old nodes, which looking at this image below is the one on the right.(very worse case scenario, but plausible)
EDIT:gmaxwell buzzwords
downstream(old) <-> upstream(segwit) <-> pool
upstream(segwit) <-> pool<-> downstream(old)
its all explained here including the bit about signature/tx data
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.17607565
Latest on Dangers posed by Segwit,
Words of a Former Segwit Supporter Who has Realized the Truth!
https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/5vbofp/initially_i_liked_segwit_but_then_i_learned/
FYI:
Segwit => Trojan Virus for a Blockchain
Words of a Former Segwit Supporter Who has Realized the Truth!
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Initially, I liked SegWit. But then I learned SegWit-as-a-SOFT-fork is dangerous (making transactions "anyone-can-spend"??) & centrally planned (1.7MB blocksize??). Instead, Bitcoin Unlimited is simple & safe, with MARKET-BASED BLOCKSIZE. This is why more & more people have decided to REJECT SEGWIT
https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/5vbofp/initially_i_liked_segwit_but_then_i_learned/
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You wanted people like me to support you and install your code, Core / Blockstream?
Then you shouldn't have a released messy, dangerous, centrally planned hack like SegWit-as-a-soft-fork - with its random, arbitrary, centrally planned,
ridiculously tiny 1.7MB blocksize - and its dangerous "anyone-can-spend" soft-fork semantics.
Now it's too late. The market will reject SegWit - and it's all Core / Blockstream's fault.
The market prefers simpler, safer, future-proof, market-based solutions such as Bitcoin Unlimited.
Then you shouldn't have a released messy, dangerous, centrally planned hack like SegWit-as-a-soft-fork - with its random, arbitrary, centrally planned,
ridiculously tiny 1.7MB blocksize - and its dangerous "anyone-can-spend" soft-fork semantics.
Now it's too late. The market will reject SegWit - and it's all Core / Blockstream's fault.
The market prefers simpler, safer, future-proof, market-based solutions such as Bitcoin Unlimited.
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The damage which would be caused by SegWit (at the financial, software, and governance level) would be massive:
Millions of lines of other Bitcoin code would have to be rewritten (in wallets, on exchanges, at businesses) in order to become compatible with all the messy non-standard kludges and workarounds which Blockstream was forced into adding to the code (the famous "technical debt") in order to get SegWit to work as a soft fork.
SegWit was originally sold to us as a "code clean-up". Heck, even I intially fell for it when I saw an early presentation by Pieter Wuille on YouTube from one of Blockstream's many, censored Bitcoin scaling stalling conferences)
But as we all later all discovered, SegWit is just a messy hack.
Probably the most dangerous aspect of SegWit is that it changes all transactions into "ANYONE-CAN-SPEND" without SegWit - all because of the messy workarounds necessary to do SegWit as a soft-fork. The kludges and workarounds involving SegWit's "ANYONE-CAN-SPEND" semantics would only work as long as SegWit is still installed.
This means that it would be impossible to roll-back SegWit - because all SegWit transactions that get recorded on the blockchain would now be interpreted as "ANYONE-CAN-SPEND" - so, SegWit's dangerous and messy "kludges and workarounds and hacks" would have to be made permanent - otherwise, anyone could spend those "ANYONE-CAN-SPEND" SegWit coins!
Segwit cannot be rolled back because to non-upgraded clients, ANYONE can spend Segwit txn outputs. If Segwit is rolled back, all funds locked in Segwit outputs can be taken by anyone. As more funds gets locked up in segwit outputs, incentive for miners to collude to claim them grows.
Millions of lines of other Bitcoin code would have to be rewritten (in wallets, on exchanges, at businesses) in order to become compatible with all the messy non-standard kludges and workarounds which Blockstream was forced into adding to the code (the famous "technical debt") in order to get SegWit to work as a soft fork.
SegWit was originally sold to us as a "code clean-up". Heck, even I intially fell for it when I saw an early presentation by Pieter Wuille on YouTube from one of Blockstream's many, censored Bitcoin scaling stalling conferences)
But as we all later all discovered, SegWit is just a messy hack.
Probably the most dangerous aspect of SegWit is that it changes all transactions into "ANYONE-CAN-SPEND" without SegWit - all because of the messy workarounds necessary to do SegWit as a soft-fork. The kludges and workarounds involving SegWit's "ANYONE-CAN-SPEND" semantics would only work as long as SegWit is still installed.
This means that it would be impossible to roll-back SegWit - because all SegWit transactions that get recorded on the blockchain would now be interpreted as "ANYONE-CAN-SPEND" - so, SegWit's dangerous and messy "kludges and workarounds and hacks" would have to be made permanent - otherwise, anyone could spend those "ANYONE-CAN-SPEND" SegWit coins!
Segwit cannot be rolled back because to non-upgraded clients, ANYONE can spend Segwit txn outputs. If Segwit is rolled back, all funds locked in Segwit outputs can be taken by anyone. As more funds gets locked up in segwit outputs, incentive for miners to collude to claim them grows.
FYI:
Segwit => Trojan Virus for a Blockchain
February 26, 2017, 12:42:21 PM
To the The Riddle of the Twin Brothers - Who Were, Are and Will Rule the World! thread: I wish I knew how to quit you. Sometimes I miss you so much I can hardly stand it.
Hahaha. Crazy sumbitch.
February 26, 2017, 11:24:26 AM
To the The Riddle of the Twin Brothers - Who Were, Are and Will Rule the World! thread: I wish I knew how to quit you. Sometimes I miss you so much I can hardly stand it.
February 26, 2017, 10:51:53 AM
The price of Ixcoin keeps going lower and lower. It reached close to 350 satoshi in Cryptopia which is ridiculous compared to the price of bitcoin.
Maybe I should try putting a 100 satoshi buy order to see if anybody would dump to me.
Maybe I should try putting a 100 satoshi buy order to see if anybody would dump to me.
Yeah, for ~6 months now the price has been getting killed by huge dumping by most likely CEX. Any bids would be nice to see.
February 26, 2017, 10:12:59 AM
The price of Ixcoin keeps going lower and lower. It reached close to 350 satoshi in Cryptopia which is ridiculous compared to the price of bitcoin.
Maybe I should try putting a 100 satoshi buy order to see if anybody would dump to me.
Maybe I should try putting a 100 satoshi buy order to see if anybody would dump to me.
February 26, 2017, 08:14:43 AM
you all wonder why tax ppl chase wright
he goes round in private jets with his billionaire buddies and pays no tax
lives in antigua
travels and gets away
he does not live in places more than 6 months a year so he is not tax resident
then flies about and gives nothing back for all he takes
he goes round in private jets with his billionaire buddies and pays no tax
lives in antigua
travels and gets away
he does not live in places more than 6 months a year so he is not tax resident
then flies about and gives nothing back for all he takes
Sounds like a dream life to any finance savvy people. Even the "altruistic" buffet and gates do everything they can to pay less taxes.
Not sure why you're such a communist.
February 26, 2017, 08:00:01 AM
you all wonder why tax ppl chase wright
he goes round in private jets with his billionaire buddies and pays no tax
lives in antigua
travels and gets away
he does not live in places more than 6 months a year so he is not tax resident
then flies about and gives nothing back for all he takes
he goes round in private jets with his billionaire buddies and pays no tax
lives in antigua
travels and gets away
he does not live in places more than 6 months a year so he is not tax resident
then flies about and gives nothing back for all he takes
February 26, 2017, 07:51:06 AM
this is your hero
thisis what satoshi is
another rich ass
no care all shite
https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14079997_10201830542203310_492493567676328100_n.jpg?oh=9bc68cea26b536dd9fd81e294d0f8558&oe=59303BF5
https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14046142_10201830543083332_6923976649929689311_n.jpg?oh=7304c0ac91128770ddfbc5d8ec81be78&oe=5945DB27
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10201830542203310&set=pb.1775198253.-2207520000.1488112470.&type=3&theater
that is wright with ayre.
wright stays away from photos but even he slips up
https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14079997_10201830542203310_492493567676328100_n.jpg?oh=9bc68cea26b536dd9fd81e294d0f8558&oe=59303BF5
you all jest and wright gets to hide
thisis what satoshi is
another rich ass
no care all shite
https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14079997_10201830542203310_492493567676328100_n.jpg?oh=9bc68cea26b536dd9fd81e294d0f8558&oe=59303BF5
https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14046142_10201830543083332_6923976649929689311_n.jpg?oh=7304c0ac91128770ddfbc5d8ec81be78&oe=5945DB27
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10201830542203310&set=pb.1775198253.-2207520000.1488112470.&type=3&theater
that is wright with ayre.
wright stays away from photos but even he slips up
https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14079997_10201830542203310_492493567676328100_n.jpg?oh=9bc68cea26b536dd9fd81e294d0f8558&oe=59303BF5
you all jest and wright gets to hide
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