The Rock Trading Scam www.therocktrading.com Exchange Review fraud opinion - page 7.

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Quote from: JollyGood on May 12, 2022, 04:33:02 AM

You had no right to transfer the money belonging to the victim to your associate that you claim is an arbiter. On paper you have handed over the funds to a third-party but in reality you are playing a game.

Once in a while it would be good to read our TOS:

11. DORMANT ACCOUNT
1. In the event that the User's account is dormant for a period of at least 12 months and Assets are available on the account, TRT will require the User to communicate the bank account details in the User's name to which the Assets are to be transferred, once converted, should they not be, into legal tender currency. If the User has not provided TRT with the destination details of the assets, which may have been converted into legal tender currency, despite TRT's reminders and after 30 days from the first notification, TRT shall arrange for the transfer of the available assets by means of the so-called "Real offer". In this case, TRT shall convert the virtual currencies into legal tender currencies independently, if necessary, and in accordance with the terms and conditions set out in the relevant legislation, shall formalize the offer of the sums to the User through a notary public or other public official, and shall then, in the event of failure to accept the offer, deposit the amounts with another bank and notify the User of the deposit at the same time. In cases where this solution is difficult to apply, TRT will seek alternative solutions to establish contact with the User and transfer the sums to the latter. All costs related to these activities are borne by the User.

https://www.therocktrading.com/en/pages/terms-and-conditions

We have been trying to contact the account owner without success and, of course, an anonymous claim on a private chat is not a valid request..

Thank you!

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Stop posting misdirections. You are embarrassing yourself and your company with this drama. The AML excuses are lame and tiresome to read when you can easily solve this issue by returning the equivalent crypto that was deposited instead of the €35,000+ you stole,

You are deliberately continuing this act of revenge because the OP exposed you here in the forum.

You had no right to transfer the money belonging to the victim to your associate that you claim is an arbiter. On paper you have handed over the funds to a third-party but in reality you are playing a game.

Shame on you and your Rock Trading scam.

Quote from: eliale on May 12, 2022, 02:05:35 AM

I'll be more than happy to do so as soon as the OP will comply with AML requests and proving she is the owner of the account.

In order to solve it, I'm even propose her to come to Italy at our expenses and close the issue in front of a notary.

I know she is not going to accept it because he cannot comply but, a try is worth it.....

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Quote from: JollyGood on May 09, 2022, 06:43:02 AM

The best thing you can do to win the moral high ground and start the process of repairing the damage to the brand name is to return the money to the OP.

Quote from: eliale on May 09, 2022, 03:24:47 AM

Exactly the contrary. The case has not been dismissed and you may verify by yourselves.

I'll be more than happy to do so as soon as the OP will comply with AML requests and proving she is the owner of the account.

In order to solve it, I'm even propose her to come to Italy at our expenses and close the issue in front of a notary.

I know she is not going to accept it because he cannot comply but, a try is worth it.....

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None of the legal claims and actions as well as the counter legal claims and actions have concluded anything even after the length of time since the OP was scammed out of their €35,000+

Rock Trading has no reputation here in the forum. 99.99% of members in this forum have never heard of it and the very few of us that are familiar with it associate the brand with a scam and will never use it and will never recommend it to anybody.

The best thing you can do to win the moral high ground and start the process of repairing the damage to the brand name is to return the money to the OP.

Quote from: eliale on May 09, 2022, 03:24:47 AM

Exactly the contrary. The case has not been dismissed and you may verify by yourselves.

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Quote from: Coinfan on May 07, 2022, 12:44:43 PM

Quote from: eliale on May 02, 2022, 07:51:28 AM

You may ask your lawyer to request a copy of the procedure and verify its status.

Please read instruction at the following link: https://www.tribunale.genova.it/polisweb.aspx

In other words, the Rock CFO confirmed that the case was dismissed/archived and just posted something that might be understood as a rebuttal but simply doesn't mean anything. It's just another of his ways to avoid to post another of his blatant lies.

Exactly the contrary. The case has not been dismissed and you may verify by yourselves.

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Quote from: eliale on May 02, 2022, 07:51:28 AM

You may ask your lawyer to request a copy of the procedure and verify its status.

Please read instruction at the following link: https://www.tribunale.genova.it/polisweb.aspx

In other words, the Rock CFO confirmed that the case was dismissed/archived and just posted something that might be understood as a rebuttal but simply doesn't mean anything. It's just another of his ways to avoid to post another of his blatant lies.

He hasn't posted any new development in the case in more than 1 year! Not even Italian Justice is this slow. He just posts his link for his criminal posted documents (it's against Italian Criminal Law to publish the documents he published) as a way to clean his frauds and embezzlement attempt.

He is not going to be able to mislead the next crowdfunding company he is going to try to trick with this lying complain. As soon as the name of this crowdfunding company is known he will be in dire straits. I'm on it.

And by refusing yet again to deny that he is operating his own bots on his "exchange", faking the orderbooks with them and faking volume, he confirmed tacitly again that these accusations are true.

He claims I'm defaming him? Just check scans of his fake orderbooks here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.57997246
The most clear evidence is this one: see how the bid ends very fast, it has only a few orders, but the ask is massive and goes on:
https://ibb.co/0hhHmn5

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Quote from: Coinfan on April 30, 2022, 12:00:57 PM

Complain which was dismissed one year ago as he is very well aware and is hiding. He wrote he would published the follow up documents. He didn't because he is hiding the dismissal document. He never published any other document about it because there isn't any other.

You may ask your lawyer to request a copy of the procedure and verify its status.

Please read instruction at the following link: https://www.tribunale.genova.it/polisweb.aspx

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Quote from: r34tr783tr78 on April 29, 2022, 04:32:18 AM

I found one of your scammed investors: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/lorenzo-marocchi-9919b540_peer-to-peer-activity-6866891203565162496-nxwJ. He is going to love to know about your scams.

Good finding, r34tr783tr78. Thank you for the continuous support for years.

Contacting their mislead investors is one of the ways forward, side by side with the authorities. They will be able to present in person complains that receive a grade of attention that Internet complains doesn't seem to get.

As usual, the Rock CFO complains about defamation on accusations he never denied: he uses his own bots on their markets to inflate completely their orderbooks and create completely fake volume and used that to mislead investors. He publicly confessed that he is preparing another scam funding.

I already published the profits they officially claimed for the last years. I'll listen to his interviews, promoting his scam crowdfunding. We'll see how many financial lies and fake promises more he made. Like the "goal" to become the most important crypto group in the World! This is criminal fraud.

He made the bluff of his life with that complain that was full of lies. Not even he ever denied that he lied on clear facts. Check the evidence on his lies here
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.55687075

Complain which was dismissed one year ago as he is very well aware and is hiding. He wrote he would published the follow up documents. He didn't because he is hiding the dismissal document. He never published any other document about it because there isn't any other.

He is complaining about anonymous letters? I thought he claimed the last one wasn't anonymous and he was claiming he knew my gender and name!
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.58128636

As usual, he keeps changing his versions of the facts.

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Quote from: r34tr783tr78 on April 29, 2022, 04:32:18 AM

My favorite scammer Andrea Medri is still scamming with his scam exchange after years. Welcome to the crypto world! You wont scam longer. I found one of your scammed investors: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/lorenzo-marocchi-9919b540_peer-to-peer-activity-6866891203565162496-nxwJ. He is going to love to know about your scams.

As you can imagine, after over 4 years of defamation and multiple anonymous letters sent by the OP to all our partners, we have been asked multiple times about the situation and, after reading this chat, they suggested us to start a legal procedure for defamation against the OP

As a reminder you'll find the official docs at the following link: https://drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1AcIIsoWP5mcMCApKMMPtTokkXfS9eyIz

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My favorite scammer Andrea Medri is still scamming with his scam exchange after years. Welcome to the crypto world! You wont scam longer. I found one of your scammed investors: https://www.linkedin.com/posts/lorenzo-marocchi-9919b540_peer-to-peer-activity-6866891203565162496-nxwJ. He is going to love to know about your scams.

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It's time to make the promised post about one of the "business" of their fake group, Cryptovalues.

As usual, they created a website http://cryptovalues.eu. It's a cheap and visible way to show that the "business exists".

In actual fact it has the same fake paper address used by almost all the other "business" of their irrelevant group and by countless other vapor-business: Corso di Porta Romana 61 20122 - Milano (MI) Italia.

I called Cryptovalues their money drainer, because it doesn't seem to have any revenue.

Its stated function is promoting crypto and offering some irrelevant counseling services. I really doubt that Cryptovalues has make a cent since its creation, a few years ago.

Cryptovalues so-called CEO (I won't post her name) looks like the only employee and the one who writes the posts on the site. I don't have information about this, however most likely it's also her the person who writes their posts on the Rock Trading Twitter and Facebook pages.

But her salary is a very real expense for which I see no revenue. Not even from the Rock Exchange that barely pays for its expenses. If we forget the occasional scam on a customer, forced to drop sell his crypto on a suddenly empty orderbook, when a crypto crashes, like what happened to this customer here.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.57505293

I think this person is informed about this thread and is following it carefully, since she knows that her job is on the line. Not only her job, as her links with her employer (the Rock CFO who pays her salary) will be investigated. But she keeps working for them.

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Quote from: saxydev on April 15, 2022, 01:22:33 AM

What about consob? I've been working a lot lately with them on money laundering and they do reply quite promptly..

If Consob (Commissione Nazionale per le Società e la Borsa), or any other italian financial authorities, were contacted, the Rock Exchange would be offline on a few days, all their assets would be frozen and the Rock CFO and Rock CTO would be arrested little time after.

The Rock CFO can bluff whatever he wants, but he has been gambling for a long time that I won't complain to any criminal or financial Italian authority (I actually did, more than once), that my case would eventually go away, that he could keep my money and they could do a second round of crowdfunding scam.

Quote from: eliale on April 15, 2022, 02:20:54 AM

We do welcome any initiative to solve the situation. However, the problem for the OP is always the same: prove his identity to us or to the authorities

Just read how he jumps from the absurd lie that I haven't show evidence that I'm the owner of my account to the illegal pretext of "proving my identity to them" in order to keep my money.

I would have to be crazy to give him any document of mine. This guy is responsible for several crimes and is planning for more.

Italian Act 231/2007 changed by Act 90/2017 doesn't demand verification of identity for bitcoin withdrawals (article 3, n. 5, i) and, in any case, says that if exchange can't verify identity must close the account (article 42, n. 1): "I soggetti obbligati che si trovano nell’impossibilita’ oggettiva di effettuare l’adeguata verifica della clientela, ai sensi delle disposizioni di cui all’articolo 19, comma 1, lettere a), b) e c), si astengono dall’instaurare, eseguire ovvero proseguire il rapporto".

("Obligated parties who find themselves in the objective impossibility of carrying out customer due diligence, in accordance with the provisions of Article 19, paragraph 1, letters a), b) and c), refrain from establishing, executing or continuing the relationship").

He most close the account and so return the money. After years, recently he wrote that the account was suspended, which is completely illegal.

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Quote from: saxydev on April 15, 2022, 01:22:33 AM

What about consob? I've been working a lot lately with them on money laundering and they do reply quite promptly..

We do welcome any initiative to solve the situation. However, the problem for the OP is always the same: prove his identity to us or to the authorities

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What about consob? I've been working a lot lately with them on money laundering and they do reply quite promptly..

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Quote from: JollyGood on April 04, 2022, 06:01:44 AM

There is nothing stopping you converting the 35,000 EURO back to Bitcoin and sending back to the same wallet address you received it from.

Thanks for your posts, Jollygood. I'm glad to still have your support after almost 4 years!

There is something stopping him to return the money to my bitcoin address, his wallet. He will be 35500 euros poorer.

Quote from: JollyGood on April 03, 2022, 02:20:07 PM

After all this length of time what have the Rock Trading achieved? Was it worth it?

The Rock CFO thinks that he was able to steal my money, just because after 4 years he is yet to answer for his deeds.

In reality the only things he managed to do was to expose all his scams and allow me to collect all the evidence. He will be legally punished for everything he done.

Most likely it was his illusory and temporary success keeping my money that convinced him to try a major scam and do the crowdfunding. This is the problem with scams. They always look like they are working flawlessly up to the moment they unexpectedly stop working.

Quote from: eliale on April 04, 2022, 01:43:27 AM

Yes it was. We protected funds belonging to our customer.

He really means that he protected his pocket. 35500 euros is a lot of money. They think they made more money with my scam than with at least 2 years of Rock Trading, according to the numbers published.

Quote from: eliale on April 04, 2022, 01:43:27 AM

The OP had multiple choices to solve the situation in the past 4 years but, he never chosed to pursue a single action because he cannot prove to be the account owner.

He never says what evidence he is talking about. The only thing he keeps asking is for my documents because he knows I won't ever give him a copy of them. Illegal but convenient pretext.

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I would say your actions caused the irrevocable reputational damage that Rock Trading has faced over those long years. You could solved the issue easily but decided to get revenge on the OP who is the rightful owner of those funds because they created this thread.

I am kindly requesting you to apply common sense as well as a sense of decency here please. There is nothing stopping you converting the 35,000 EURO back to Bitcoin and sending back to the same wallet address you received it from.

As a compromise just for the sake of ending the drama, is that something you would consider doing?

Quote from: eliale on April 04, 2022, 01:43:27 AM

Quote from: JollyGood on April 03, 2022, 02:20:07 PM

After all this length of time what have the Rock Trading achieved? Was it worth it?

Yes it was. We protected funds belonging to our customer.

The OP had multiple choices to solve the situation in the past 4 years but, he never chosed to pursue a single action because he cannot prove to be the account owner.

As simple as that.

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Quote from: JollyGood on April 03, 2022, 02:20:07 PM

After all this length of time what have the Rock Trading achieved? Was it worth it?

Yes it was. We protected funds belonging to our customer.

The OP had multiple choices to solve the situation in the past 4 years but, he never chosed to pursue a single action because he cannot prove to be the account owner.

As simple as that.

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There are multiple tragedies associated with this thread. The biggest tragedy here has to be the manner in which you were scammed out of +35,000 EUR and then the subsequent battle against the misinformation and diversion tactics employed by the Rock Trading representatives when trying to put roadblocks in the way.

Another has to be the manner in which Rock Trading has seen their reputation completely ruined while they themselves tried to ruin the reputation of the OP. Now you are posting about copycat sites and also about the manner in which they exaggerated their financial status in order to raise funds from their investment initiative with Opstart.

After all this length of time what have the Rock Trading achieved? Was it worth it?

Quote from: Coinfan on April 02, 2022, 04:14:34 PM

Thank you for your post, Jollygood.
My goal is to collect all available information about their scams to be able to stop them for good. The Italian authorities will have a much more easy task to end their profitable scamming carrier. Every people responsible for scams think they will be able to keep going scamming. Up to the day when they won't and everything ends.

Since I'm tired to see the Rock CFO doing his best to erase any and all compromising information about his scams, the main pages I quoted on my previous post were saved
https://web.archive.org/web/20220402180525/https://www.empresite.it/DIGITAL-ROCK-HOLDING-SPA.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20220402180901/https://www.informazione-aziende.it/Azienda_DIGITAL-ROCK-HOLDING-SPA
https://web.archive.org/web/20220402180757/https://www.ufficiocamerale.it/9285/digital-rock-holding-spa

This information about the revenues of their mostly 0 valuable Holding was easily available. It seems nobody did any quick research about them before accepting their scamming crowdfunding or investing high amounts on it.

I found another copycat site of their fake Holding https://thedigitalrocks.com/
It says exactly the same thing of the previously mentioned https://digitalrockholding.it/ and https://digitalrockholding.com/
It's a .com address, but again the text is only in Italian. Lazy scam, directed solely to their usual victims: Italians.

On my next post I'll write about their main money drainer, one of their fake business: http://cryptovalues.eu

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Quote from: JollyGood on March 26, 2022, 06:44:42 PM

For anybody to believe that the Rock Trading representatives here are unaware of the impact this case has had on their reputation, is a hard sell. If the OP who is the victim of losing out over 35,000 EUR years ago is still being mistreated by the Rock Trading then who in their right mind would trust that exchange?

They still have opportunities to settle this issue and simply repay the funds to the rightful owner (the OP) before their reputation takes even more damage. What did they achieve in this period apart from having their reputation damaged while they withheld the funds from the OP? As a consequence of the OP being scammed they highlighted other issues with the Rock Trading including the inflated trading figures as well as the underhand tactics employed in order for them to fundraise.

@eliale - Surely it is time to stop the agony and repay the OP the money. Please reconsider your stance.

Thank you for your post, Jollygood.
My goal is to collect all available information about their scams to be able to stop them for good. The Italian authorities will have a much more easy task to end their profitable scamming carrier. Every people responsible for scams think they will be able to keep going scamming. Up to the day when they won't and everything ends.

Since I'm tired to see the Rock CFO doing his best to erase any and all compromising information about his scams, the main pages I quoted on my previous post were saved
https://web.archive.org/web/20220402180525/https://www.empresite.it/DIGITAL-ROCK-HOLDING-SPA.html
https://web.archive.org/web/20220402180901/https://www.informazione-aziende.it/Azienda_DIGITAL-ROCK-HOLDING-SPA
https://web.archive.org/web/20220402180757/https://www.ufficiocamerale.it/9285/digital-rock-holding-spa

This information about the revenues of their mostly 0 valuable Holding was easily available. It seems nobody did any quick research about them before accepting their scamming crowdfunding or investing high amounts on it.

I found another copycat site of their fake Holding https://thedigitalrocks.com/
It says exactly the same thing of the previously mentioned https://digitalrockholding.it/ and https://digitalrockholding.com/
It's a .com address, but again the text is only in Italian. Lazy scam, directed solely to their usual victims: Italians.

On my next post I'll write about their main money drainer, one of their fake business: http://cryptovalues.eu

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For anybody to believe that the Rock Trading representatives here are unaware of the impact this case has had on their reputation, is a hard sell. If the OP who is the victim of losing out over 35,000 EUR years ago is still being mistreated by the Rock Trading then who in their right mind would trust that exchange?

They still have opportunities to settle this issue and simply repay the funds to the rightful owner (the OP) before their reputation takes even more damage. What did they achieve in this period apart from having their reputation damaged while they withheld the funds from the OP? As a consequence of the OP being scammed they highlighted other issues with the Rock Trading including the inflated trading figures as well as the underhand tactics employed in order for them to fundraise.

@eliale - Surely it is time to stop the agony and repay the OP the money. Please reconsider your stance.

Quote from: Trading on March 15, 2022, 07:23:15 PM

Quote from: eliale on March 11, 2022, 02:50:52 AM

Thank you for your reply but, let me give you an example: Would you be happy if, for any reason you couldn't get access to your account and we were releasing funds to an anonymous person? True that he was capable to access the account but, true that he was not capable to prove to be you.......

Anyway, yes, there is a criminal procedure against the OP and funds are safely on hold with an arbiter which, if the OP would like to change it, he is free to request it....

Why he is not doing so? Simple, he cannot prove to be the owner. BTW, the real owner is a woman.

Just the customary false answer, after 4 years.

The Op signed a message with a bitcoin address used to send bitcoins to your exchange and presented full additional evidence of proprietorship of the account.

Enjoy your new feedback rating.

Send regards to your accomplice Paci.

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