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I found more interesting information about their scam Holding DIGITAL ROCK HOLDING S.P.A. I wrote about on my previous posts.

First one correction, because contrary to what the sites I quoted above say, it seems the Holding was created on 2015. No precise date is presented. Their previous existence is confirmed for financial results presented by other sites before 2021. 2015 is the date given by these two sites:
https://it.kompass.com/c/digital-rock-holding-s-p-a/it1716512/
https://atoka.io/public/it/azienda/digital-rock-holding-spa/f5f13846b2b3

According to this site this Holding had a revenue of 31500 euro on 2019. Not profits, just revenue.
https://www.ufficiocamerale.it/9285/digital-rock-holding-spa
This other site says that their revenue on 2020 diminished to 53% of the revenue of 2018! Thus the revenue of 2018 most be around 60,000 euros
https://www.informazione-aziende.it/Azienda_DIGITAL-ROCK-HOLDING-SPA
And this one says that the revenue on 2020 was the same of 2019, so 31,500 euros:
https://www.empresite.it/DIGITAL-ROCK-HOLDING-SPA.html

These are published numbers freely available. Everyone can confirm them on the links above. I can't say if they are exact or not.

With 31,500 of revenue, can we point out to 15000 euros of profit? Even applying a very optimistic corporation value measure of 10X the annual profit, this would give a value of 150,000 euros to their Holding and all their fake business.

Some will say, these are fake numbers to evade taxes. Perhaps. But even if the real numbers were 5x bigger, their stated value would be at best 750,000 euros.

They sold 10% of it for 1,5 million, based on a completely fake value of 15 million! Of course, the only of their business who has real income, thanks to the scam orderbooks, is the Rock Trading Exchange. Since it's a scam his real value is 0.

Now another evidence of their scam orderbooks. Look like their main market LTC-BTC was on last 13 march 2022 (check on the right the date on the trade history) and compare the bid and the ask. How the bid ends abruptly at a high value with only one order at 000000001, but the Ask is massive and goes on

And now compare it with the present orderbook on https://therocktrading.com/en/market/LTCBTC
On a few days a massive amount of orders suddenly were created!


Check more evidence with pictures on
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.59576160
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.57997246
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Thank you for your reply but, let me give you an example: Would you be happy if, for any reason you couldn't get access to your account and we were releasing funds to an anonymous person? True that he was capable to access the account but, true that he was not capable to prove to be you.......

Anyway, yes, there is a criminal procedure against the OP and funds are safely on hold with an arbiter which, if the OP would like to change it, he is free to request it....

Why he is not doing so?  Simple, he cannot prove to be the owner. BTW, the real owner is a woman.



Just the customary false answer, after 4 years.

The Op signed a message with a bitcoin address used to send bitcoins to your exchange and presented full additional evidence of proprietorship of the account.

Enjoy your new feedback rating.

Send regards to your accomplice Paci.

Thank you for your post and merits, Trading.
The Rock CFO thinks that he will get different results by doing and saying the same thing: writing lies.

The Rock CTO Paci (his name is public information, but I won't post it here) has refused to support publicly his own partner on his attempt to scam me. He never posted once on this thread and the only time he posted on my Italian thread (blocked abusively by the Italian moderator: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/the-rock-trading-wwwtherocktradingcom-scam-truffa-broglio-opinioni-recensioni-5025233) was to answer to a complain from a customer.

Paci has his full hands on the bots/volume and crowdfunding scam. He is the CTO, he knows perfectly what is going on and most likely is he who manages the bots. The CFO seems to ignore all about technical stuff.

Paci was one of the two founders of the scam Holding, together with the Rock CFO, I wrote about on my previous posts, Digital Rock Holding S.p.A., according to this site
https://www.italian.tech/db-startup/db/startup/digital_rock_holding-325774637/
He is as guilty on the 1.5 crowdfunding scam as the Rock CFO.

I won't name the person, but he knows perfectly well who will live in infamy for the rest of the life because of what he is doing. This person will have to bear the unbearable personal connection with him and will have to go see him in jail!

And both are full preparing for a second round of crowdfunding scamming. I bet they went to Opstart, the crowdfunding company who managed their first scam, and they told them, forget about it!

They will have to find a new crowdfunding company willing to take the risk. I'm waiting to know which one they will use.

By the way, here is a picture of one of their markets BTC-USDT on 20 September 2021. Now the orderbook is completely different and misleading again https://therocktrading.com/en/market/BTCUSDT

Just compare as the Bid ends at 1 but the Ask continued beyond the visible orderbook, completely massive. Tell me if this isn't a fake orderbook:

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Thank you for your reply but, let me give you an example: Would you be happy if, for any reason you couldn't get access to your account and we were releasing funds to an anonymous person? True that he was capable to access the account but, true that he was not capable to prove to be you.......

Anyway, yes, there is a criminal procedure against the OP and funds are safely on hold with an arbiter which, if the OP would like to change it, he is free to request it....

Why he is not doing so?  Simple, he cannot prove to be the owner. BTW, the real owner is a woman.



Just the customary false answer, after 4 years.

The Op signed a message with a bitcoin address used to send bitcoins to your exchange and presented full additional evidence of proprietorship of the account.

Enjoy your new feedback rating.

Send regards to your accomplice Paci.
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Thanks for your post.

They are not allowed by any law to hold your funds more than a year to year if they don't announce the authorities about aml problems, if the authorities say nothing, you have to prove you owned the coins, if not they stay in stand by a mediator not arbitor (or whatever you call it).

Not even the Rock CFO, with all the lies he posted, raised once any issue of AML. I created my account on the Rock about 10 years ago. They saw my money increase thanks to the increase on bitcoin price.

You are forced by the law to have evidence of AML for BTC/crypto/stocks doesn't matter, but as I read 1 hour the thread, not KYC. Even if the data may be available for the public is still illegal the drive they have posted about you.

But, by the law only making this thread gives them the right to hold your crypto by the time you prove your words in court and this goes civil, not penal, but you are still accountable.

In a weird way, myself as a italian and maltesse citizen, you both should be accountable to giant fines for the behaviour you have here.

Sorry but a Bank can't hold money deposited from a journalist because he wrote an article accusing the Bank of fraud. The exceptio veritatis is accepted by Italian Law. I have the right to publicly denounce their scams, because there isn't a single lie on my accusations.

Not even them accused me of any specific lie. The Rock CFO never denied that he operates bots on his own fake "exchange", that the bots trade with their customers and trade with itself in order to create fake volume.

He also never denied that he lied to the police on clear facts.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.55687075

And @therocktrading, I use your service for 5 years, wtf!? How can you have such a not at all proffesional behaviour!? Besides reputation, what do you have to win over 30k euro? Just give him a part of the money minus the fees,demages you have received and finish the story. Do a private deal and finish this.

Can you real trust your money to people like these? If you are a customer since 2018, didn't you noticed the sudden enormous increase on orders from 2019 to 2020?

Have you checked all orderbooks? I can't point to a specific one, because they change it after I denounce it to try to hide that all of them are fake.

And they are using this to scam crowdfunding investors.

Did you check about 40 fake reviews on their trust pilot?
https://www.trustpilot.com/review/therocktrading.com?languages=all
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There is no AML applying to this case according to Italian Law, as quoted many times: it's a withdrawal of bitcoin. AML only applies to withdrawals of Fiat. He also knows perfectly the source of the money, as he saw the increase in value of my holdings on his exchange.

They are not allowed by any law to hold your funds more than a year to year if they don't announce the authorities about aml problems, if the authorities say nothing, you have to prove you owned the coins, if not they stay in stand by a mediator not arbitor (or whatever you call it).

You are forced by the law to have evidence of AML for BTC/crypto/stocks doesn't matter, but as I read 1 hour the thread, not KYC. Even if the data may be available for the public is still illegal the drive they have posted about you.

But, by the law only making this thread gives them the right to hold your crypto by the time you prove your words in court and this goes civil, not penal, but you are still accountable.

In a weird way, myself as a italian and maltesse citizen, you both should be accountable to giant fines for the behaviour you have here.

And @therocktrading, I use your service for 5 years, wtf!? How can you have such a not at all proffesional behaviour!? Besides reputation, what do you have to win over 30k euro? Just give him a part of the money minus the fees,demages you have received and finish the story. Do a private deal and finish this.

Thank you for your reply but, let me give you an example: Would you be happy if, for any reason you couldn't get access to your account and we were releasing funds to an anonymous person? True that he was capable to access the account but, true that he was not capable to prove to be you.......

Anyway, yes, there is a criminal procedure against the OP and funds are safely on hold with an arbiter which, if the OP would like to change it, he is free to request it....

Why he is not doing so?  Simple, he cannot prove to be the owner. BTW, the real owner is a woman.

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There is no AML applying to this case according to Italian Law, as quoted many times: it's a withdrawal of bitcoin. AML only applies to withdrawals of Fiat. He also knows perfectly the source of the money, as he saw the increase in value of my holdings on his exchange.

They are not allowed by any law to hold your funds more than a year to year if they don't announce the authorities about aml problems, if the authorities say nothing, you have to prove you owned the coins, if not they stay in stand by a mediator not arbitor (or whatever you call it).

You are forced by the law to have evidence of AML for BTC/crypto/stocks doesn't matter, but as I read 1 hour the thread, not KYC. Even if the data may be available for the public is still illegal the drive they have posted about you.

But, by the law only making this thread gives them the right to hold your crypto by the time you prove your words in court and this goes civil, not penal, but you are still accountable.

In a weird way, myself as a italian and maltesse citizen, you both should be accountable to giant fines for the behaviour you have here.

And @therocktrading, I use your service for 5 years, wtf!? How can you have such a not at all proffesional behaviour!? Besides reputation, what do you have to win over 30k euro? Just give him a part of the money minus the fees,demages you have received and finish the story. Do a private deal and finish this.
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As a reminder at the following link you'll find official documents about our legal procedure against the OP:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1AcIIsoWP5mcMCApKMMPtTokkXfS9eyIz

Thank you


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It looks like the Rock CFO is thinking about a second round of crowdfunding scam, now "open for all" as he said (in Italian) here https://www.cryptocoinference.com/2022/01/17/the-rock-trading-e-main-sponsor-della-terza-edizione-di-crypto-coinference/

The first scam worked and so far, so good. So nothing like trying his luck a second time and get more than the first 1.5 millions.

He can forget about it. They will have to do a lot of publicity and I'll be on it. As soon as more details are announced, the crowdfunding company will receive all the evidence about their scams.

Any crowdfunding company will have to do due diligence before accepting the risk of any proposal and now there is clear evidence of his crimes. The videos I published about their scamming orderbooks and the complete changes on them on just a few days will be analyzed carefully. Their scam will be completely exposed.

This is no longer just about my money. Their lies and lying complain won't serve for anything.

And his scam reviews on Facebook and Trustpilot will help too. He can forget about deleting them. They are preserved on the usual site: https://web.archive.org/web/20220213175545/https://www.trustpilot.com/review/therocktrading.com?languages=all

The news page above quoted says that they were one of the major financial supporters of the crypto conference in Italy. They are trying to follow the quote One has to spend money to scam money.
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The Rock Trading scam drags on and on. I have to look to that holding too. I just found a site saying that they have 25 employees? The scammer Medri never stops with his lies. Invented persons. Those fake reviews on trustpilot are another nail on its scam coffin. He is lucky I had my hands full. I will found the time to collect the evidence and write about his scams to a italian financial authority. OP you should do the same. He thinks no one will do anything but posting.

Glad to see that you are still around, r34tr783tr78. All in due time. I'm still finding new facts that add up to the scam plot. I'll have to check those employees claims.

Back to their so-called "Holding". I wrote that it was created out of mainly thin air to create the illusion of a real and economically valued group to promote their crowdfunding. One of the 3 pages of the https://www.digitalrockholding.it/ is there only to promote this crowdfunding: https://www.digitalrockholding.it/#callout

The third page is just a link to the home page https://www.digitalrockholding.it/#partners
The "site" has 2 pages, not 3.

Scammed the investors, the site never got any more attention from its owners. According to https://web.archive.org/web/20220102023130/https://www.digitalrockholding.it/ this site didn't change a thing since 1 Oct 2020. They didn't care to change the link to the crowdfunding or publish the result of the 1.5 million scam.

The same applies to it copycat https://digitalrockholding.com/. By the way when you try to access it, you get a security error. Its identity certificate is only valid to www.digitalrockholding.it

For some reason the Crowdfunding company removed the link to their successful capital raising
https://www.opstart.it/progetto/digital-rock-holding-the-rock-trading-exchange-di-criptovalute/
The page is saved on the helping https://web.archive.org/web/20210121163154/https://www.opstart.it/progetto/digital-rock-holding-the-rock-trading-exchange-di-criptovalute/

They might now have second thoughts about this profitable campaign. This won't serve for anything when the investors return back claiming fraud. This won't take very long. They have a lot of daily costs and no real revenue. As I'll show on my next posts about their fake group.


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The Rock Trading scam drags on and on. I have to look to that holding too. I just found a site saying that they have 25 employees? The scammer Medri never stops with his lies. Invented persons. Those fake reviews on trustpilot are another nail on its scam coffin. He is lucky I had my hands full. I will found the time to collect the evidence and write about his scams to a italian financial authority. OP you should do the same. He thinks no one will do anything but posting.
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As some are aware the Rock CFO created a "Holding", a top corporation that comprehends different "businesses", its name is the Digital Rock Holding S.p.A.. It's time to direct the analysis to this fictional holding and "business group", that I neglected to address up to now.

It has his website like a real business https://digitalrockholding.com and https://www.digitalrockholding.it/
But following his stated lie that he intends to create the biggest corporation on crypto in the world, both the sites are written in Italian!

Both have just 3 pages that are a copy of each other, saying nothing about who manages the Holding, who are its employees, its revenue, customers, real activity. Nothing. Just links to the "businesses" of the "group".

They just proclaim to be "The first real European ecosystem dedicated to the world of cryptocurrencies". Which means nothing!

They claim having 860.000,00 of capital. However, he sold 10% of it for 1.5 million euros!

On the bottom of the page, another major lie: "Copyright © The Digital Rocks 2013 - 2020". He is implying that the "Holding" was founded on 2013!

According to this site https://opencorpdata.com/lei/81560051AAB939314538:
The Digital Rock Holding S.p.A. initial Registration Date is   2021-02-05 (5th February 2021)
The same information is confirmed by this site https://lei.report/LEI/81560051AAB939314538

As address, it states Corso di Porta Romana 61 20122 - Milano (MI) Italia
But it's a paper address, shared by countless other businesses

https://levillagebyca.it/en/contatti/
https://opencorpdata.com/lei/815600A4A50114CACD90
https://www.wowgreenhouse.it/wow-academy/
https://www.globalsystemspa.com/contatti/
https://www.paginebianche.it/milano/limoni.10919652

He only created this fake holding to better scam investors on the crowdfunding in order to look like if they were investing on a major tech group.

I'll show on the next posts that all of the so-called businesses on his fake "group" have no value at all or an insignificant value.
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The Rock CFO at his best again.

He was able to convince Trustpilot to erase negative reviews accusing the Rock Trading to be a scam and another something close to it. Check here the erased reviews:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.58049838

But he didn't stop there. On the day before I posted the above post and the next two days, 27th, 28th and 29th September 2021, someone was very active creating fake reviews!

On just these 3 days, 39 reviews of 5 stars to the Rock Trading were created on Trustpilot! 39 on 3 days! And the Rock CFO was there with replies thanking a few of them on the same exact days!
Just count them: https://www.trustpilot.com/review/therocktrading.com?languages=all
And a few more were created after, including in English.

He repeated the same fraudulent means that he used on the reviews of his Facebook page. He paid
13 fake positive reviews all from Asian people on their Facebook account on 28 September and 2 October
2019
https://www.facebook.com/pg/TheRockTrading/reviews/
You'll have to login to check them or you can read them here
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.52863951

Using fake reviews is fraud, according to the American Federal Trade Commission.
"Fake Amazon reviews draw fraud charges in groundbreaking FTC"
https://www.theverge.com/2019/2/26/18242303/ftc-fake-amazon-reviews-lawsuit-false-advertising

This guy is incapable of learning. These fake reviews will just help my case. I can easily get them all erased. But it's another evidence that his business is a scam.

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Note: The account has not been "canceled"  it has been suspended till the account owner or the authority will request access to it.

Thank you

Now he is saying that my account wasn't cancelled, only suspended!

If my account was only suspended and the Rock CFO indeed had send the money to a third party arbiter, he would have committed a felony, for sending money from a actual customer to a third party, able to run with the money or go bankrupt, without duly authorization.

But we all already now that he didn't send the money no any third party. He told the police that the Rock Trading would create a segregated account, he didn't talk about any arbiter. He wouldn't never had the legal means to send any money from a customer to a third party.

The arbiter he invented is just a reiterated lie! He has my money at his free orders.

But if my account was just suspended, he his breaching the letter of Italian Law on this precise issue.
Italian Act 231/2007 as changed by Act 90/2017 says that if an exchange can't verify the identity it must close the account (article 42, n. 1) and so return the money.


Also says that verification doesn't apply to bitcoin withdrawals only to fiat one (article article 3, n. 5, i).
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There is no KYC, as I'm no longer a customer. He cancelled my account and is just finding pretexts to keep my money.



Note: The account has not been "canceled"  it has been suspended till the account owner or the authority will request access to it.

Thank you
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I already posted a link to a video promoting his crowdfunding where the Rock CFO says the blatant lie that he intended to make the Rock Trading (that is the only entity of their "group" that has some kind of existence if we include scamming activities) the biggest player on crypto in the world (https://vimeo.com/455449259).

Check now another video he also made promoting his crowdfunding and published on the Rock Trading Facebook page with an associate, where he says he intends to have his ghost group listed in a major European stock exchange!

He says (in Italian) this complete lie at 25 seconds of the video
https://www.facebook.com/TheRockTrading/videos/campagna-di-equity-crowdfunding/282357613032185/

Making complete absurd statements, that he was hoping his investors would take seriously, in order to sell 10% of his scamming business is just another evidence of this fraudulent crowdfunding. These videos will have a serious weight as evidence of his scam.

He can forget about deleting it, I made a scan of the video on his Facebook page and also archived it at the Web Archive.
https://web.archive.org/web/20211205151146/https://www.facebook.com/TheRockTrading/videos/campagna-di-equity-crowdfunding/282357613032185/
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The Rock CFO still thinks that repeating a lie makes it more credible by miracle, forcing me to expose his methods and reveal the real facts.

Thank you but, unfortunatelly, Italian AML laws forbids such procedure.

There is no KYC, as I'm no longer a customer. He cancelled my account and is just finding pretexts to keep my money.

There is no AML applying to this case according to Italian Law, as quoted many times: it's a withdrawal of bitcoin. AML only applies to withdrawals of Fiat. He also knows perfectly the source of the money, as he saw the increase in value of my holdings on his exchange.

what will happen if the real owner will pop out and request her funds?

Sometimes he writes things that make me wonder if he thinks the readers are completely stupid. He doesn't seem to understand that claiming there is a owner different from me after four years just reveals the lies he has the nerve to write, publicly for everyone to read. Also I still own the bitcoin account I used to send the bitcoins I sold on his fake exchange.

He should remember that many of his partners and some of his remaining few customers know this thread and are also reading his lies. Someone capable to lie like this to keep money from others will (and is lying) lie also to you.

He is also hoping he will be able to keep hiding this and others sites revealing his scams to his investors. He has been very active trying to erase and bury all scam accusations against him, mines and from others. But the truth has an annoying tendency to keep reemerging. It's not only the authorities that will receive full details about this, their investors will be informed also.

As is customary he avoided deny the accusation that he created the Super Bitard account to defend himself and defame my supporters.
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Challenge us.

Appoint an Italian legal Arbiter  and we'll see.



If you truly wanted to end this affair, you would send the amount in bitcoin to the address quoted by the OP and that should be part of your archived records.

This is the bitcoin cosmos, proprietorship of an address means identity confirmation.

At the most, you would require merely some kind of document that gave you corroboration that the OP is the person you claim is the owner.

Like a recent utility bill with the rest of personal details erased, except name and nationality.

On the OP's shoes, I wouldn't send this to someone like you, though. You'll invent another ploy to keep the OP's money.

The Italian legal Arbiter is just more of the same: delay tactic.

Thank you but, unfortunatelly, Italian AML laws forbids such procedure.

Also, assuming we could be able to do it, what will happen if the real owner will pop out and request her funds?

The account owner must either proceed with a full KYC or indicate us an arbiter

Anyhow, thank you for the inputs
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The Rock CFO is inventing tricks and lies to try to keep my money for the last 4 years. Lied to the police, scammed his investors and invented an arbitrator that he already confessed it's just a segregated account. But he expects me to trust his promises.

Watch out Trading. The Rock CFO might create another alt to defame you too.

Just check another of his schemes. For the third or forth time the Rock CFO created an alt to defame covertly my supporters and to post lies on my threads: Super Bitard (https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/super-bitard-2622844).

The reasons why it was clearly an alt of the Rock CFO are on this link https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5369407

And the Rock CFO using this Super Bitard alt posted twice on this thread supporting himself
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.56744020
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.57938937
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.56744165 (thanking himself)
As the Rock CFO done previously on this thread thanking another of his alts https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.45497603

I knew it was an alt of the Rock CFO. I decided to ignore it as the simple way to make harder for him to find a pretext to post his lies again here.

This Super Bitard alt seems to have been banned as a member states here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5369407

The Rock CFO also used this alt to defame hiding Nutildah  
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5369407
and Jollygood https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.58370941

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Nothing like healthy scepticism and hard evidence
Challenge us.

Appoint an Italian legal Arbiter  and we'll see.



If you truly wanted to end this affair, you would send the amount in bitcoin to the address quoted by the OP and that should be part of your archived records.

This is the bitcoin cosmos, proprietorship of an address means identity confirmation.

At the most, you would require merely some kind of document that gave you corroboration that the OP is the person you claim is the owner.

Like a recent utility bill with the rest of personal details erased, except name and nationality.

On the OP's shoes, I wouldn't send this to someone like you, though. You'll invent another ploy to keep the OP's money.

The Italian legal Arbiter is just more of the same: delay tactic.
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