Topic: The Rock Trading Scam www.therocktrading.com Exchange Review fraud opinion - page 9. (Read 36114 times)

The Rock CFO would never send 35500 euros to anyone he wouldn't fully control. He created this "arbiter" as a collective entity and is hiding its identity to hide this fact. I bet the "arbiter" was created last year and that he is one of the creators with full control over it. Which means that he is the arbiter.

He already confessed that he has full control over his "arbiter" and that he would receive copies of any documents received and would have a final word about any delusional release of funds, as quoted above on this thread.

He could show evidence that I'm mistaken, but he won't. The evidence would confirm what I'm writing.

He keeps lying about a judge. There is no judge, the case was archived or dismissed by the Italian prosecutor. There wasn't any communication to any of the email addresses that are on file and are quoted on the illegally published documents by him.

And he never notified the prosecutor of the identity of his "arbiter". It would be very easy for the prosecutor to confirm that he controls the arbiter. He would end up jailed if he would, as sending money to (in reality) himself and pretending that he no longer has the money and owes me nothing is criminal fraud.


As is his custom he quietly ignores what I wrote about his lies on his invented norm that would regulate his criminal behavior on my case. His lies fulfilled the intended purpose, to mislead his italian customs reading his thread, now it's time to quietly ignore them.

Yes they are however, as previously said, if you wish to appoint a new one, I'll gladly consider it. The prcoedure is quite simple: your Arbiter will send the request to our, we will notify the Judge about the change and agree about the transfer.

Thank you

As it happened on all my accusations that the Rock Trading Exchange has fake orderbooks and volume the Rock CFO also didn't deny the same accusations from Trading. There was no need, but he is just confessing again the fraud that is the exchange that he manages and owns.

Check also what he wrote on a second post about my case on another of his (italian) threads about the Rock Exchange:


Translation:
If the legitimate owner or the legitimate heirs do not manifest themselves after a certain number of years, there is a norm that regulates this.  In any case, the arbitrator's lawyers will inform us of the procedure they will follow according to the regulations in force.

What a complete lie! Check how vague he is: he writes about a "norm" that regulates my case, without identifying it. Naturally!

Writes that this "norm" only applies after "a certain number of years", without identifying the number. 4 years passed by since he blocked secretively my withdrawals on December 2017, but he invented a norm and hides the details in order to try to clean his attempts to keep my money.

Again he invokes the "arbiter" whose identity he is hiding and that is himself, some legal person he created and controls or someone under his orders.

But on his last post above he demanded that any arbitrator must be

His fake hided arbiter is a "legal" one?

Thank you for your continuous support, Trading.

All their orderbooks are fake. They might have a few real orders on their biggest markets, but the major part are created by their bots. Check also the videos I posted with the before and after of one of their orderbooks after my denunciation: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.57997246


The Rock CFO managed to post a lie on every sentence he just posted.

He says he can't call back the funds, but he can order them to sent to a different person?!

But before he was saying he was subjected to a time limit. He changes his lies on every post:

I don't care for what he does with the money he sent to the fake arbiter/to himself. He has my money and will answer for it.

He is talking about a judge? What a complete lie! The case was archived long ago and was never sent to any judge. If the case was filled by the prosecutor he would post a copy of the decision. Something he never done.

He is saying he will post proof? He never posted the obvious decision of the prosecutor to archive the case. Instead he decided to hide this decision.

I checked one of the OP's links to your markets before you changed it and it was more than obvious that the orderbook was forged.

What amazes me is that your customers don't report this.

This suggests that your exchange doesn't have any customers using some of your markets and the volume is forged as much as the orderbooks.

You orchestrated your crowdfunding thanks to these forged orderbooks and volume.

The OP has all reasons not to trust anything you post here.

Thank you.

Please, be aware that while we cannot and I don't want to call back the funds, I can instruct the Arbiter to send funds to another appointed Arbiter as per the OP request.

Also I would have to notify the Judge about this decision just to be on the safe side.

As usual, I would provide proof of the actions

Thank you again for your time and attention to my case, JollyGood.

The Rock CFO keeps posting lie and lie. Do you really think that he would honor his word? It would be a waste of time of time and money. He would find a pretext to reject the Arbiter (legal???) or the identity verification.

Just check the incredible lies:

Oh, but if I created another arbiter, suddenly there would no time limit! He is the arbiter and would receive and could reject any documents sent.
He confessed that here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.56714606



The only applicable law in Italy is the Italian Act 231/2007 changed by Act 90/2017, that doesn't demand verification of identity for bitcoin withdrawals (article 3, n. 5, i) and, in any case, says that if exchange can't verify identity must close the account (article 42, n. 1) and so return the money.
He closed my account, I'm no longer a customer, there is NO LAW about KYC here.

If he wanted to solve the issue, he would convert the euro back to bitcoin and send it back exactly to the same bitcoin address I used to deposit the bitcoins, on 1 june 2017: 19XfLqEJUx5TcBW6LmdbrJpmRCM8gi61Hu

I think the consideration for possibly allowing the OP to select an arbiter for their own choosing is a huge step forward. Even though what I say obviously carries no weight as far as on a personal basis I have to say I am pleasantly surprised with you being open-minded enough to try to find a resolution that will be much quicker than any legal avenue would bring.

Regardless of the ludicrous allegations that were made in this thread the past in order to misdirect from the real issues, my only concern and interest within this situation is and was that the OP should be returned their funds. If the OP can select an arbiter for you the send the funds to they should be instructed to release the funds to the OP as long as they send KYC to the arbiter on the basis that KYC is not passed on to Rock Trading. You can send the funds and the name of the account holder to the new arbiter and as long as the OP sends appropriate KYC then that should bring the matter to an end - if the OP agrees.

I hope the OP will read these posts soon and contemplate the next step carefully when posting with an update.

Thank you for the swift reply but what you wrote highlights some issues which if were conducted in a different manner would have given you and your website some credibility.

For example, why on earth choose an arbiter that you already know instead someone completely impartial? Furthermore, why even transfer the funds totally 35,000 EURO to a third party without consent from the OP?

If what you say is correct and the OP is not asking for arbiter contact details because the OP does not want to send KYC, then that is not something that should not surprise you because the OP chose to not send you KYC after you seized their funds and I along with others advised the OP (when this scam accusation thread was created) to not send KYC in case you try to misuse it in order to take revenge on the OP.

Why will you not simply ask the arbiter to either send you the funds back in order for you to send them to the OP (who is the rightful owner) or ask the arbiter to send them directly to the OP - that way the whole issue will end and hopefully you will drop any legal argument you have against the OP and in the same way the OP will drop any legal argument against you and Rock Trading then both parties can continue without this issue hanging over them.

Will you please kindly consider it?

The OP has suffered a lot as a result of the funds being withheld for so long. The issue started in December 2017 and here we are in December 2021, it has been a long 4 years for the OP.

Please kindly consider bringing an end to this matter and release the funds back to the OP.

Why are you keeping the name of arbiter secret from the public?

Can you name the arbiter here in public?

Can you categorically state you are not affiliated or connected with the arbiter in any way?

Why did you choose that particular arbiter and when was the first time you became aware of him/her/them?

He keeps posting the same lies and I have to refute them again.

The Rock CFO created the fake arbiter and sent his money to himself. He already confessed he fully controls the arbiter and would receive and refuse at will any documents. The arbiter is just a new version of the illegal KYC pretext to steal my money, even after he closed my account.

Just read another of his posts where he confessed the all plot.

He just insists on this blatant illegal pretext of KYC because he knows I won't ever send documents to him or his fake arbiter. 35500 euro that he thinks are already his.

He is a gambler, but a losing one. Just check this general balance of his deeds, bets and results:
he bet that he could steal my 35500 euro without being burned and he lost. Check his reputation.

He bet he could lie to the police without being exposed and he lost. He never even tried to deny that his lies to the police.

He bet that his fraud with the attempt to claim that he no longer had my money (read above) with the fake arbiter would prevail and he again lost. He now contradicts himself and never claimed again that he "no longer controls the money sent".

He bet he would be able to hide his 1.5 million crowdfunding scam based on his fake orderbooks and volume created by his own bots operating on his "exchange" and he lost. His scams were exposed and evidence of them is posted here.

He is operating a exposed scam in front of everyone at every moment and incredibly he is still gambling that he will be able to evade punishment for all these crimes and keep scamming as usual.

He is betting I won't take this to the prosecutor and other authorities. He will see.

And AGAIN, he keeps refusing to deny that he has fake orderbooks created by his bots.

ITALIANO

Continua a postare le stesse bugie e io devo confutarle di nuovo.

Il CFO di Rock ha creato il falso arbitro e ha inviato il suo denaro a se stesso. Ha già confessato di controllare completamente l'arbitro e di ricevere e rifiutare a piacimento qualsiasi documento. L'arbitro è solo una nuova versione del pretesto KYC illegale per rubare i miei soldi, anche dopo aver chiuso il mio conto.

Basta leggere un altro dei suoi post "intelligenti" dove ha confessato tutto il complotto.

Insiste solo su questo palese pretesto illegale di KYC perché sa che non invierò mai documenti a lui o al suo falso arbitro. 35500 euro che lui pensa siano già suoi.

È un giocatore d'azzardo, ma perdente. Basta controllare questo bilancio generale delle sue azioni, scommesse e risultati:
ha scommesso che poteva rubare i miei 35500 euro senza essere bruciato e ha perso. Controlla la sua reputazione.

[Ha scommesso che poteva mentire alla polizia [/b] senza essere scoperto e ha perso. Non ha mai nemmeno provato a negare che le sue bugie alla polizia.

Ha scommesso che la sua frode con il tentativo di affermare che non aveva più i miei soldi (leggi sopra) con il falso arbitro avrebbe prevalso e ha nuovamente perso. Ora si contraddice e non ha mai affermato di nuovo che "non controlla più il denaro inviato".

Ha scommesso che sarebbe stato in grado di nascondere la sua truffa da 1,5 milioni di crowdfunding basata sui suoi falsi registri degli ordini e sul volume creato dai suoi stessi bot che operano sul suo "scambio" e ha perso. Le sue truffe sono state esposte e le prove sono pubblicate qui.

Sta operando una truffa esposta davanti a tutti in ogni momento, ma incredibilmente sta ancora giocando d'azzardo che sarà in grado di eludere la punizione per tutti questi crimini e continuare a truffare come al solito.

E ancora continua a rifiutarsi di negare che ha dei falsi registri d'ordine creati dai suoi bot.

Again, the Arbiter information is available to the OP or to the account owner upon request. No vendetta... This is why we decided to move funds to the Arbiter.

Thank you

You are not presenting your company in a good light when you keep up this vendetta against the OP. You selectively scammed the OP out of what was then over 35,000 EURO and instead of returning the funds you decided to take revenge because the OP created this thread to expose your scam.

The OP is the account owner, you are deliberately trying to misguide those reading this thread.

The arbiter information is not available to the general public but to the OP or the real owner of the account only.

It is quite evident that the OP is reluctant to request the information because the arbiter will require a full KYC proving, once for all, that the OP is NOT the account owner.

Thank you

The Rock CFO keeps making my task of exposing their scams easier.

I didn't highlight again that he deliberately hided the identity of the fake arbiter to whom he claims he sent money and is refusing to disclose publicly his name and contacts. He just had the brilliant idea on its own to highlight this.

Again, he didn't deny that indeed he lied when several times he posted that he no longer had control of the money he claims he sent to the arbiter. Sending money to someone he controls and claiming the contrary in order to create the fake impression that he don't owes me nothing is blatant fraud.

He also claims I'm defaming him by accusing him to use fake orderbooks to scam their investors and customers but again he didn't deny it.

The evidence was posted on this thread for everyone to read, as summarized and linked on my first post and also here: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.57997246

And I'll keep adding more.

He also didn't even comment on the complete lie he told on his video promoting the crowdfunding about his intention to convert the Rock Trading in the leader on crypto in the World!

He can claim it was an "objective", not a promise. But it was a ridiculous lie on a 1.5 million euro investing "promotion". He never had any intention or expectation on executing this absurd "objective". Fraud pure and simple! And he is on record saying that!

Please note:

The OP never asked the name of the Arbiter opening a ticket or sending us an official request.

Thank you

Recently, the Rock CFO wrote on their thread on the Italian board.

Translation: «In addition, we deposited the funds with an Arbitrator as evidence of existence.»

He his writing that the only reason because they send money to a so-called Arbitrator was as evidence that they had the money and weren't insolvent.

Now compare this statement to what he wrote some months ago several times, like here:


He just completely contradicted himself, confessing that he lied before.

He could have avoided this serious confession by just write that he sent money to an arbiter. But thankfully he makes mistakes after mistakes and offers confessions and evidence of his own crimes, making my life much easier.

He completely ruined his carefully planed fraud (he went as far as to publish twice banking certificates of a transfer and balance of the account of the secret fake third party arbiter) to pretend that he no longer had my money.

I have legal reason for having delayed my criminal complain. The Rock CFO won't lose anything because of this delay. r34tr783tr78, you do what you have to do in the interest of everyone. Thank you again for your continuous support.

Here is one of the videos made and published on the Internet by the Rock CFO during their crowdfunding campaign. It's in Italian which says much about how ambitious their were from the start about their target (victims).
https://vimeo.com/455449259

At the 50 second, he says something that reveals completely the scam: that their goal was on the next 2 or 3 years to become the leader on crypto, not just on Europe but on the World!! He has to add that it's a difficult goal or it would be a too ridiculous lie.

But this isn't difficult. This is completely absurd and just another of his blatant lies! You just have to look for their pathetic exchange to confirm that they didn't invest a cent on their business.

The 1.5 million that they scammed from their investors is to pay for their retirement. They are old and have to think about their future since they failed to take advantage to make money of a legitimate once on a life opportunity, Bitcoin. Nothing like getting rich at the expenses of the naive people who believed on his lies.