The space launchings aren't putting food on your table. - page 9.

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Quote from: Biomech on January 02, 2016, 11:30:56 PM

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Quote from: Schleicher on January 02, 2016, 10:50:16 PM

We have to colonize space sooner or later.
We don't really have a choice if we want to survive.
Earth will be destroyed when the sun turns into a red giant.
And there are all kinds of other catastrophic events that could wipe out our civilization.

The sun is a medium aged star.
Humans have had their run on planet earth.
Evolution will get us faster than the sun turning into a red giant.

We're a very young species. Our run has barely begun, and we'll likely be the first off this rock. Yes, we will evolve faster than the sun will, but why restrict it to one planet or star system? Our successors will remember us this time, unlike all other species that we are aware of.

Hmm... Humans have been around in the current form for more than 2 million years.
So I wouldn't call our species young.
Plus we seem to be intent on destroying ourselves (and the planet).
With all the radiation we have unleashed, some mutation (and evolution) must already be taking root.

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I almost feel sorry for you guys that you're so misled by the lies NASA and the establishment has fed you via the media, the education system and peer pressure. Take some time to look at the images you're presented with and see that they're less credible than a badly hoaxed UFO photo. Because hoaxed pictures and the word of liars and psychopaths is all you've got.

The Earth is flat and we're covered by an artificial dome that keeps the water out. I can prove this beyond a reasonable doubt. ...and for dog's sake turn off the fucking television it's totally fucking your minds!

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Quote from: pattu1 on January 02, 2016, 11:26:55 PM

Quote from: Schleicher on January 02, 2016, 10:50:16 PM

We have to colonize space sooner or later.
We don't really have a choice if we want to survive.
Earth will be destroyed when the sun turns into a red giant.
And there are all kinds of other catastrophic events that could wipe out our civilization.

The sun is a medium aged star.
Humans have had their run on planet earth.
Evolution will get us faster than the sun turning into a red giant.

We're a very young species. Our run has barely begun, and we'll likely be the first off this rock. Yes, we will evolve faster than the sun will, but why restrict it to one planet or star system? Our successors will remember us this time, unlike all other species that we are aware of.

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Quote from: Schleicher on January 02, 2016, 10:50:16 PM

We have to colonize space sooner or later.
We don't really have a choice if we want to survive.
Earth will be destroyed when the sun turns into a red giant.
And there are all kinds of other catastrophic events that could wipe out our civilization.

The sun is a medium aged star.
Humans have had their run on planet earth.
Evolution will get us faster than the sun turning into a red giant.

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Quote from: Schleicher on January 02, 2016, 10:50:16 PM

We have to colonize space sooner or later.
We don't really have a choice if we want to survive.
Earth will be destroyed when the sun turns into a red giant.
And there are all kinds of other catastrophic events that could wipe out our civilization.

Asteroids.

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We have to colonize space sooner or later.
We don't really have a choice if we want to survive.
Earth will be destroyed when the sun turns into a red giant.
And there are all kinds of other catastrophic events that could wipe out our civilization.

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Quote from: BADecker on January 02, 2016, 06:29:41 PM

Yet, it just doesn't seem right.

A bunch of shrewd bankers figure out a debt money system, so that NASA can borrow money to do whatever, and the people of the world are brought into the banker Ponzi, causing many nations to have big problems, while the nation where the bankers hang out receives good.

We may throw a few lives, and a little equipment at Mars and beyond, but the undertaking is so huge that it will take the resources of the world to make it mean anything. Meanwhile the slaves in the 3rd world nations are in poverty, and even the States are going down... all so that the bankers can loan money for ridiculous space ventures.

As an outsider, I must suggest that the reason things don't seem right to you is, you looking at things through a lens of wrongness. Just take everything you think and reverse it to get correct understandings.

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Yet, it just doesn't seem right.

A bunch of shrewd bankers figure out a debt money system, so that NASA can borrow money to do whatever, and the people of the world are brought into the banker Ponzi, causing many nations to have big problems, while the nation where the bankers hang out receives good.

We may throw a few lives, and a little equipment at Mars and beyond, but the undertaking is so huge that it will take the resources of the world to make it mean anything. Meanwhile the slaves in the 3rd world nations are in poverty, and even the States are going down... all so that the bankers can loan money for ridiculous space ventures.

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The practical purposes are not very clear, but mankind has to aim higher and learn from the universe to enter a new age. Space travel is very very new, so there is a lot to learn. And remember that a lot of inventions and new technology, especially for computers was actually developed in space missions, so just think about that. It's just like asking why there are scientists working on weird experiments, well sometimes that can be applied for something else completely, but research must be done without a particular goal in mind, it's just for the benefit of all mankind.

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Quote from: ridery99 on January 02, 2016, 03:53:48 PM

Quote from: BADecker on December 30, 2015, 04:20:58 PM

I see your point. Wouldn't it be wonderful if we developed all that technology for the practical purposes? Think of how much money and time we could save if we didn't waste any of the money on stupid space stuff.

Columbus should have burn his ships too so there would not be USA in existence now

From https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091020131529AAoowc3 (Who discovered America before Columbus?):

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Best Answer: Well, Columbus never actually found America. He did find Caribbean islands, Puerto Rico, Cuba and South America. Leif Ericson discovered Greenland and Newfoundland in 1003. In 1497, John Cabot also landed in Newfoundland. Ponce de Leon was the first in Mainland USA (Florida) where in 1513 he discovered what would become St. Augustine, Florida. The Spanish were the first to legitimately colonize in North America in St. Augustine, founded by Admiral Pedro Menéndez de Avilés in 1565. There were prior settlements that failed, mainly Pensacola which was founded by Tristán de Luna y Arellano in 1559, but was destroyed by a hurricane in 1561. The first English Speaking settlement was Jamestown, founded by Captain Edward Maria Wingfield in 1607. This is where Capt. John Smith and Pocahontas became legend. Jamestown is also the first place that Freemasons met on the North American Continent.

From http://www.history.com/news/the-viking-explorer-who-beat-columbus-to-america (The Viking Explorer Who Beat Columbus to America):

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Nearly 500 years before the birth of Christopher Columbus, a band of European sailors left their homeland behind in search of a new world. Their high-prowed Viking ship sliced through the cobalt waters of the Atlantic Ocean as winds billowed the boat’s enormous single sail. After traversing unfamiliar waters, the Norsemen aboard the wooden ship spied a new land, dropped anchor and went ashore. Half a millennium before Columbus “discovered” America, those Viking feet may have been the first European ones to ever have touched North American soil.

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After crossing the Atlantic, the Vikings encountered a rocky, barren land in present-day Canada. Eriksson bestowed upon the land a name as boring as the surroundings—Helluland, Norwegian for “Stone Slab Land.” Researchers believe this location could possibly have been Baffin Island. The Norsemen then voyaged south to a timber-rich location they called Markland (Forestland), most likely in present-day Labrador, before finally setting up a base camp likely on the northern tip of the island of Newfoundland.

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Quote from: BADecker on December 30, 2015, 04:20:58 PM

I see your point. Wouldn't it be wonderful if we developed all that technology for the practical purposes? Think of how much money and time we could save if we didn't waste any of the money on stupid space stuff.

Columbus should have burn his ships too so there would not be USA in existence now

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Quote from: notbatman on January 02, 2016, 09:14:43 AM

Quote from: Spendulus on January 02, 2016, 08:19:21 AM

Quote from: galdur on January 01, 2016, 08:03:38 PM

Space may be the final frontier
But it's made in a Hollywood basement
Cobain can you hear the spheres
Singing songs off station to station
And Alderon's not far away
It's Californication

---Red Hot Chili Peppers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaOC9danxNo

Space Oddity performed by Commander Chris Hadfield.

Can you watch this and honest say this isn't a professional actor/performer on a set with a production crew?

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This old music video by Peter Schilling captures the divergent views discussed in this thread....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1Hs2AQwDgA

Huh? Hatfield has been doing music a long time. Along with being a fighter pilot, astronaut and having other talents.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Hadfield

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Quote from: Spendulus on January 02, 2016, 08:19:21 AM

Quote from: galdur on January 01, 2016, 08:03:38 PM

Space may be the final frontier
But it's made in a Hollywood basement
Cobain can you hear the spheres
Singing songs off station to station
And Alderon's not far away
It's Californication

---Red Hot Chili Peppers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaOC9danxNo

Space Oddity performed by Commander Chris Hadfield.

Can you watch this and honest say this isn't a professional actor/performer on a set with a production crew?

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This old music video by Peter Schilling captures the divergent views discussed in this thread....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1Hs2AQwDgA

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Quote from: galdur on January 01, 2016, 08:03:38 PM

Space may be the final frontier
But it's made in a Hollywood basement
Cobain can you hear the spheres
Singing songs off station to station
And Alderon's not far away
It's Californication

---Red Hot Chili Peppers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaOC9danxNo

This old music video by Peter Schilling captures the divergent views discussed in this thread....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1Hs2AQwDgA

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Space is science-fiction.

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Space may be the final frontier
But it's made in a Hollywood basement
Cobain can you hear the spheres
Singing songs off station to station
And Alderon's not far away
It's Californication

---Red Hot Chili Peppers

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Quote from: Biomech on January 01, 2016, 04:06:51 AM

.... "Flag and Footprint" missions are essentially pointless, but that was really a long time ago. I was 9 months old the first time that was done. What we discovered there, political imperatives aside, is that the moon isn't a real good target.
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But even this is poorly understood as you see when for example, otherwise intelligent people on this forum, such as Galdur, argue that we should "do it again," and that our space programs are inferior to those of yesterday, where we put men on the Moon. A long and complex strategy with indirect benefits, many of which appear decades later, is not exactly easy to comprehend.

The truth is that today's space programs are so far advanced over those of the Apollo era that it is barely comprehensive - and few people know it.

Just one example - we have mapped Mars, and the Moon, down to every rock the size of a football. (LRO, MRO). In the era of Apollo, this would have been laughed at. The very idea of a digital 3d map did not exist. Large computers may have had 4,096 bytes of memory, which did not support conceptualization of the potential of computers with 32 GB of memory and so forth.

Also remember that for the Moon, when we talk about mapping it "from orbit," there is no problem with flying the spacecraft down closer to the surface than jets fly on earth. There is no atmosphere, so this is not an issue at all.

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Quote from: TheGr33k on December 29, 2015, 02:08:29 AM

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Quote from: TheGr33k on December 29, 2015, 01:10:23 AM

I need to know what the point of spending thousands of US dollars on space trips is meant for. I don't know what we've accomplished and found beneficial to society and the overall growth of human living by having money and such being tossed for the government to send random men up into space. I don't understand why space travel is so necessary. Please tell me how the moon launchings weren't fake, or needed for the human race.

The point is research, without research we would still be living in the dark ages. There are uses beyond "putting guy in space", satellite network provides you with GPS, tv. If you are wondering about taxes you might as well wonder whats the point of spending thousands of US dollars on mass surveillance Roll Eyes

Research is necessary but only when there's a point. I have yet to be given one beneficial thing society got out of these launchings. Please tell me what we got out them.

It's probably been covered, but I just discovered the thread.

You want one thing, or a few thousand? I'll give you just one for now.

The device you're reading this on. the technology that it was developed from was a direct line of descent from the Apolo project.

Humanity NEEDS to grow up. One world is not enough. We have an open ended reproductive strategy and will eventually overpopulate this planet to the point of extinction of our species. This is inevitable if we do not find REAL solutions. One of those solutions is to colonize near space, and eventually, deep (interstellar space). Granted, "Flag and Footprint" missions are essentially pointless, but that was really a long time ago. I was 9 months old the first time that was done. What we discovered there, political imperatives aside, is that the moon isn't a real good target.

But Mars is. It has everything we need to establish an offworld home, and it's low gravity makes it an ideal launch point for bigger and longer missions.

While I disagree with the "tax supported" model, I think that there is little in our history with as much importance as the exploration and development of extraterrestrial space.

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Quote from: pandher on January 01, 2016, 02:40:50 AM

I say decrease aid to africa and increase space budget

Really can't do this. Should increase funds to Africa and to the space program. Here's why. We need all the funds spending we can get, within certain parameters.

We have a debt money system. All important funds are borrowed from the banks. Even (especially?) government funds. Then, one way or another, after they have done their job, the funds are used to pay the interest on all the loans the banks have lent over the years.

If we didn't have any borrowing for things like Africa, the space program, the wars, medical BS, etc., then we wouldn't have enough money to pay back the loans to the banks, and the banks would foreclose on the world.

At the very least, borrowing for all those programs so that we have funds to pay the interest, keeps the nations stable for the moment. At some point the banking Ponzi will collapse. Are we ready for it? Is Bitcoin strong enough to take over?

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Stagnation is Death

I say decrease aid to africa and increase space budget

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