Topic: The stupidest thread on bitcointalk. - page 5. (Read 3278 times)

Push ups *shrug* they're not bad, everyone has to start somewhere!

Pull ups are better sure but I've found burpees to be the best overall for me, although a small piece of my routine. I also manage to do them without encouraging paid spam on the main parts of the forum. 

I'm curious, if a con artist like Craig Wright had started this push-ups thread and misquoted satoshi for his own amusement, would everyone's enthusiasm and stance still be the same with it?


Perspective of a minority? ... You do know 1 shady person is allowed to represent as many accounts as they want on this forum, right?  And I'd go as far as to say the shadiest likely have the most... this probably leaves honest individual users being in the minority in many cases. They shouldn't be ignored.

I think if we're going to be objective about it, the thread should be in off-topic and/or signatures disabled.

I think that OP is taking this too personal from the way he is still insisting that the thread should be moved to off topic, despite the criticsm from forum members who are benefiting from the training program. 100 pushups daily till bitcoin price reaches 100k could be a way for participants to stay healthy till bitcoin price reaches 100k, so that they ca see bitcoin at that 100k price in good health condition and stable mindset.

 Reporting the thread to moderator is the best thing that you have done, but creating this thread is not the best because, it does not change anything if the mod decides not to move it to off topic. It shows that you have some personal sentiment with the OP of that thread for calling his thread the most shitty he is a quality poster and a reputable member in the forum despite whatever you think of him. Our likes differs. A lot of time and effort is being put by forum members posting on that thread to keep it active.

@OGNasty that "email" from satoshi, while obviously a joke to us that know, could be misleading to new folks. i think you should add something very noticeable and in the strongest terms that that email is fake so there are no misunderstanding.

yes i have no sense of humor.

You know nothing if you say pushup exercise are for the weak or you think push-up is very easy to do? May be thats is your thought, for it will be very difficult for a weak person to do push-ups and do it properly if you think push-up is easy try and do 100 push-up in day let me see if you can continue the next day and you should also know that push-up exercise is not only the exercise that is been done in that thread for you can also add other exercises if chooses and stop referring push-up exercise as a LAME exercise that's is supposed to be done by those that are weak.

Suchmoon, if two wrongs don't make a right, and OG's pushup thread is considered as the first, what's the second wrong? What are you supposed to address first? The former or the latter? what sort of insensible act is this?

No it doesn't.
This is the last post I'll make in either of these boards-- there's nothing in here to discuss.

In both cases it is either superstition or placebo.

Many football fans wear a certain piece of clothing because they believe that when they wear that piece of clothing, the team wins. And when there isn't one, the team loses. She came to this conclusion through a series of random events, which she believes are related.

Of course, having a placebo that helps stimulate your brain to do something for you is a positive thing.

Someone can create this kind of placebo, by saying "every day I have to buy $100 worth of BTC, otherwise I have to do 100 push-ups of the difference." Does it make sense to me? Maybe not. But to the person who came up with this idea, maybe it does, I don't know.

I read the last few pages. There is a couple of passing mentions of Bitcoin and its price. So at the very least the thread itself is extremely poorly moderated if it was supposed about Bitcoin but it no longer is. But more likely the thread is actually about pushups, so it shouldn't be in Speculation.

If the shoe was on the other foot I bet most of the apologists here would be arguing against the thread. In fact I can recognize quite a few usernames having been vocal against off topic or spammy threads on bitcoin boards.

Using the thread title or some subliminal message sounds quite bad as an excuse even on this shithole of a spamforum.


If I say that the flat earth thread is affecting Bitcoin price, that doesn't make the flat earth thread a "price speculation" thread.

Pushups are lame anyway. They are for the weak. Real men do pull-ups. Do 100 pull-ups and see how bitcoin will react. I guarantee it, it will rocket to the moon and even make Elon jelly.

Well, you are right and i can take it to be a play place where people shows their exercises at same point being so positive about the bitcoin price, with that showing their exercise and gaining physical health as they anticipates for the growth of bitcoin is also another fun part of involving oneself into bitcoin holdings or DCA since it would reduce much panic and anxiety or becoming so much desperate for the price to crosses some level were they feels so much obsesses.
The important aspect of that thread should only be the health benefits as regular exercise keeps our body system up and sound and sincerely speaking, i hardly do pushups considering my clerical activities as well.

That's different: doing something because it influences your own performance is a placebo, and those are proven to work. Doing something to make something else happen isn't going to work.

That's why it would be great for the Off-topic board. It has the interest of many Bitcointalk members, so it fits the description: "Other topics that might be of interest to bitcoiners.".

Let's check the board description: "Speculation about the Bitcoin price.". If you can stretch push-ups to have anything to do with the Bitcoin price, you could literally discuss anything on that board. Research has found a corelation between the number of pirates, and global warming. We can do the same for the price of Bitcoin too. That makes Speculation an easy board for spammers to reach their post quota, and it's not only the push-up toic.

Any user who without bias or personal resentment that have been following up on the push-ups thread and it's discussions over time will definitely discover that the focal point of the discussions from both old and new interested participants of the thread has been closely on speculative expectancy of $100k bitcoin price in relations to the push-ups. Consequently, it is common to find certain visiting users that will want to sway away from the main topic (which is something common in any other mega thread in the forum) but more often I think such users has always been called back on track by those that actually atune with the essence or purpose of the thread.

I finally got through reading this very stupid thread, and even though the thread.. especially the premise of the OP is stupid, I still felt some kind of irresistible draw in regards to responding to several posts, which may or may not have had been stupid, in spite of their spawning from a stupid starting premise.

Isn't there one of the Parkinson laws that proclaim that the discussions of a diverse group will end up gravitating to the most basic of the concepts, since many of the participants will more easily be able to relate to such more basic concepts?  thus my long response to a thread that is based upon a very stupid premise.


There is ONLY one merit source active in those mentioned threads?  I wonder which about merit source you are referring?  Surely, your factual representation is wrong even if there might be one or more members who has tended to send more smerits in your referenced threads as compared with other merit source members who might not regularly participate in the threads that you are referring to.

Are you suggesting that such merit source member, to the extent that you might ONLY be referring to one merit source member, is engaging in some kind of improper behavior in regards to the sending of such source merits?  If so, have you reported or considered reporting such merit source member?  Or maybe you have no basis for your accusation and you are just throwing out such accusation in order to imply some kind of improper behavior might be taking place, and you have shit for evidence (brains) - neither logic nor facts?

Perhaps you are attempting to suggest that there exists some kind of a source merit sending standard that is being violated? or you are wanting to imply such a merit source sending standard that actually does not exist, but you want to insinuate that such a merit source standard exists, when it doesn't?   You probably should realize and appreciate that you likely have a burden to show evidence (logic and/or facts) of some kind of abuse that has been occuring, since there is no forum merit source sending standard in  the kind of vague bullshit that you seem to be implying to be the case.


I am glad to hear that you participated in the pushup challenge thread, and you appreciate the idea of pushups.

Your claim that doing 100 pushups per day is easy is defied by your own admission that you were not ready, willing and/or able to continue to do pushups every single day between the time that you started up until now.

It is easier said than done to do pushups every single day, even for some guys who might not even be doing 100 pushups each day, and in some ways doing pushups every single day could be (and sometimes is) compared with investing into bitcoin on a regular, consistent, persistent and ongoing basis - easier said than done.

If we are in a pushup thread (such as the thread referenced in OP), such participation is voluntary, and we really cannot know for sure whether the participants are actually doing the pushups that they claim to be doing, just like when we are in a bitcoin investing thread, we cannot really determine if the participants are buying the bitcoin that they claim to be buying.  At the same time, I do consider that we have quite a bit of good content in that thread, including but not limited to the script that has been created and maintained by DirtyKeyboard that seems to inspire more guys to get involved in doing pushups and providing their pushup report whenever they are able to provide such updated pushup report and in order to have their username included within that daily posted pushup table that currently contains the names of 74 forum members.


If that is the essence of your dispute, then has such question been presented to administrators and if they decided not to move it, then what is the problem with the thread?  it has been going for almost 9 months with ongoing interest.. even though maybe some members are no longer reporting their pushups, so we ONLY have around 34 members (slightly fewer than 1/2 of the total number of pushup report submitters) who have reported their pushups in the last 30 days.  

Another thing is that there have been thread participants who had not officially submitted pushup reports, and other thread participants who chimed in on the thread based on related topics, rather than actually talking about whether they were interested in doing pushups or not.

Even though I don't have any evidence of non-participating members reading the thread or perhaps members of the public reading the thread, there have been other places in bitcoinlandia in which 100 pushups per day until $100k has been discussed since at least around the time of the start of the thread (early February 2024). I would imagine that there are some non-members of public that might read the thread and/or might even decide to join the forum based on the existence of such thread (even though I don't have any evidence of that).  


Report it then, and surely that is a discretionary choice that an administrator might choose to agree to... even though it hardly seems as BIG of a deal as you are making it out to be.


Sure.  Any forum member who already has the thread on his watchlist would still have the thread on his watchlist, and the attraction of new forum members may or may not change based on which section the thread is included, yet I thought that you had already mentioned that forum administrators are less likely to move a thread that has already been existing for a long time as compared with a brand new thread?  

yeah, we know administrators would still be able to move the thread, but they might not want to move the thread since it has already been in the speculation section for 8.5 months.. and surely I don't claim to know what administrators will do, even though it seems like "no big deal" either way.. except that you are whining about such an administrative discretionary thing that does not seem to be a very BIG deal either way.


The thread is about pushups, so who gives any shits about the other aspects of physical fitness that you are mentioning.. Sure some of those kinds of ideas have come up in the thread in the last 8.5 months, yet many times members attempt to mostly redirect our discussion towards pushups, so if there is some desire to create a topic about some other kind of exercise, physical fitness or whatever, else then so be it.  We largely just focus on pushups in that thread with merely some incidental mentioning of some other topics that might relate to other exercises, the advantages disadvantages or resistance exercises versus cardio or perhaps some sideline discussions of nutrition and/or sleep.. but still mostly pushups and our hoping that bitcoin prices go to $100k sooner or later, remains as most of the focus of that particular thread discussion.


You have some kind of a proclamation about what other members need to "stop" thinking about?  I tend to want to strive towards working towards positive ideas rather than negative ideas, except when it comes to shitcoins.. but hey anyways some of the positive ideas related to the pushups thread and how it may relate to the BTC price approaching $100k someday seems to already largely be stated in the OP and repeated in at various points in the now 178 subsequent pages.  From my perspective, your seeming disputes about the thread (to the extent that they are even genuine) seem trivial at best and more likely to be hateful rather than really addressing any kind of important concern about the thread, and/or about the ways that various forum members are participating in such thread to date.  

Perhaps "we" should solicit theymos to participate to cause 100 pushups until $100k to be "official," which any of us should recognize and/or appreciate that high ranking (or longer term) forum members need not participate in such thread in order to make it "official" since the thread is already quite "high quality" if I do happen to say so myself.  


So if you are not necessarily suggesting that "Jay" is abusing his merit sending abilities, but instead other forum members (newbies presumptively) know how to play him (Jay) for some smerits.

Is this a problem or not?

If it is a problem, then what might be some kind of a proposed way to address such purported problem?


Hahahahaha

That is a decently good point.

OP Don Pedro had proposed 100 farts as a substitute for pushups. .which he probably did not even end up doing.. .. which is really literally and figuratively poo pooing the ideas and practices of daily pushups.



Pushups and pushup reports are voluntary, and there is no real and/or meaningful way that we can verify the proof of work of the actual pushups of the forum members submitting such pushup reports..

If we want to verify proof of work, the best kind of proof of work verification seems to be bitcoin.  Op Don Pedro seems to be getting backlash because he mostly comes off as a hater, and you (LB) seem to want to join in on his nonsensical and seemingly hate-based assertions since you seem to be wanting to defend his largely nonsensical claims.


The Satoshi expression was likely just humor and probably should have had some kind of a reference or note to show that the expression was modified.. yet sometimes humor loses its funniness if the joke is explained.

The pushup thread is no joke and no humor, even though active participants in the thread likely are having fun with some aspects of the thread, including being able to see their results in a daily pushup table, thanks to the efforts, innovativeness and even persistency of DirtyKeyboard to display and adapt daily pushups and some other related information within the table(s) from time to time.  

It is not easy to do pushups everyday for any of us guys who are actually doing pushups, so any of you guys proclaiming that pushups are a joke, they are easy, they don't have ramifications or they are not important, then you should probably try doing such pushups yourselves (even modified pushups if you cannot do full form pushups) before you criticize others for either doing such pushups on a daily basis and/or for participating in a thread that connects doing pushups to aspirations of when and how long it might take for the BTC price to go up to $100k..


Of course, higher ranked members are going to be treated differently from newbies, and I doubt that newbies have grounds to expect to be treated the same as higher ranked members.. especially if there might be some borderline discretionary issues that could go either way, such as a forum administrator's decision in regards to which section to allow a thread and then also whether to move the thread after it had already been in existence for 8.5 months.

Sure, it can take a bit of time for newbies to rank up and to provide various kinds of quality and/or substantive posts in which they will start to be known by other forum members and even by moderators and administrators, and even trusted more after they have been around for some time, as contrasted to when they are relatively new to the forum...

I am having some difficulties with the logic of implying some kind of need that in these kinds of circumstances that relative newbie members should be treated the same as higher ranked and relatively well-known members... and surely there is a bit of discretion from admin, and perhaps there might be some kinds of instances in which forum longevity and/or rank does not matter.. but still, it is a bit of strange point that seems to have been repeated to suggest that OgNasty is getting special treatment based on his having had been around a while...and even that is quite speculative as for the reason that the thread has so far been allowed to stay in speculation rather than getting moved to off-topic.


You cannot agree for OgNasty, and there would be no reason to close the thread merely because the BTC price reached and/or exceeded $100k.. .that would be OgNasty's discretion whether or not to close it, and if there is still active participation in the thread, there would likely be no reason to close it, even if Don Pedro and his buddies are whining about it.

I also consider the thread to have hardly anything to do with OgNasty, even if he created the OP and he has the authority to close it.. otherwise, it is just a thread that deals with pushups and the BTC price going to $100k, and even that could be amended to be $100k plus or whatever and keep the thread as it is, more or less.


There is no need for you or any other member of that thread to prove they are doing the pushups that they claim to do.. whether for opsec purposes or otherwise.  We are on the honor system in that thread, and surely voluntary since no member should feel any pressure to show his pushups (as proof of work), even though there have been some members who had chosen to show some pieces of personal information (potential proof) that seemed to have had been completely (or almost completely) voluntary within their choice to provide such information.


Regarding your number 3, you seem to be a wee bit presumptuous in regards to the thread being moved.  

I am not going to claim to know what admin is going to do, yet it remains in their discretion whether to move the pushup thread from its current location in speculation and into off topic.. because of your whining and the whining of a few of your supporters, who are trying to proclaim that OgNasty has bad motivations in regards to the thread and/or its location, which does not seem to be motivating the participation in the thread which has largely been about doing daily pushups and the BTC price reaching $100k and perhaps a few other related tangential discussions that might somewhat relate to the topic of pushups and the BTC price.. which surely also many of us likely realize that such connection of pushups to the price was going on in other non-bitcointalk locations in bitcoinlandia around the beginning of the year, too.. ..and so surely in the thread,  sometimes we had been talking about the  BTC price in relation to doing pushups and perhaps health benefits of being strong for when the BTC price reaches $100k (presuming the price is going to go to $100k at some point), and also sometimes having discussions about the daily pushup table too and how members should submit their pushup reports to be included in the pushup table, and the development and implementation of the pushup table by DirtyKeyboard started right around the beginning of April, right around two months after the thread had already been running...


I doubt that there are many members (perhaps none) who actually believe that the pushups actually cause the BTC price to go up, yet surely there can still end up being various kinds of speculation discussions being incorporated into how long we might have to do pushups and various pushup-related things that we might do at certain BTC price points, including my own speculation whether the quantity of my pushups might meet up with the BTC price, which I would prefer NOT to happen, even though at my current rate of daily pushups it is quite likely that I will probably catch up to the BTC price in the quantity of my pushups at some point prior to the BTC price reaching $100k, even if it might not be a permanent situation.. . and surely within the thread, I have been stating that I hope that the quantity of my pushups never reaches the same number as the BTC spot price.


Have you read the whole pushup thread or you are speculation that the thread has nothing to do with BTC prices, even though the title of the thread has a target price of $100k contained within it?

Wouldn't there be an implication that any of us "serious" thread participants are expecting the BTC price to go to $100k sooner rather than later, otherwise maybe the title of the thread should be do 100 pushups per day forever or until you die trying, whichever comes first...

Well no the thread does not say that, so presumably some of us are hoping for $100k to come before we die, and some other pushers in the thread ended up stop doing their pushups because getting to $100k ended up taking longer than they expected... what else is there to speculation besides having a price and a time, and if the date is not specified there still likely is an assumption that $100k is around the corner, which really so far has not been working out so great for those of us continuing to do pushups and might have had been expecting to have had completed with such project by now, and so likely other members of the thread are consciously and/or subconsciously pressuring our peers to keep going since $100k is right around the corner, even though we cannot exactly determine when (such as within two weeks^tm) .. and two weeks never seems to come.  Maybe you should join into the pushup thread rather than speculating about what we are not talking about, even though the price is right in our face every day and perhaps even within our thoughts while we are doing our daily pushups.. and hoping that we might some day soon ^tm be relieved of our obligation to do pushups every day based on what?  based on the movement of the BTC price, hopefully up rather than down and/or sideways. "We" don't get relieved of our pushups until the BTC price goes to 100k.. whether such message is subliminal or not so subliminal even though it also happens to be stated in the title of the thread.. so go figure. How is that not some variation of BTC price speculation related to health benefits of ongoingly pushing ourselves with some kind of real world consequences at the same time and likely on a daily basis too.


It is kind of funny (or ironic) that Don Pedro's thread seems to speculate about the pushup thread not affecting prices, which seems to give greater credence towards the pushup thread being a BTC price speculation thread.

I doubt a consensus is going to be found, though the OP has a point but they are letting their bias/emotion get the best of them.
Besides don't stress over it the thread isn't going to last forever
It would be closed after Bitcoin crosses $100K, If it doesn't then you were partially right about it.
In Btw, Not a stupid thread to except you insinuating exercising and been healthy is stupid.

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This is becoming a thread for spamming and merit farming Lol just wanted to say that

Miner, let's be a little bit logical here; nobody said biased moderation shouldn't be exposed, as long as it's not just an allegation rising from the perspective of a minority, maybe with some irky interrelations with an old vendetta that doesn't even involve us.

Again personally, I'm not defending OG. How much am I getting paid to do so? Op really needs to work on his emotions and the way he reacts to some certain cases...Cus, what the heck is this?
Edit: One of the bigger problems of meritocracy in here are THE PEOPLE.
Ehhnn, the people want you to believe that there's some imaginary altitude to which you should get, which they'd often say has alot of ties with making quality post blablabla... Meanwhile, a coterie, one of which you should belong to get 'em raining merits at you. Sounds like the great HALL OF FAME -- hollywood. meh!

I guess the risk of spammers in that thread is vastly overcome by the positive effect of helping the people who are struggling to get merits for their good posts.
Also, spammers might get merits when they deserve it!

However, thank you for your kind words. I will keep up with the selection of the best posts!

LOL, nope, nice try though. You wish you could just remove your victims from this forum.

Instead, you'll need to keep trying to silence people through manipulation, bullying, threats, and creating false perceptions.

Also, be careful, I wouldn't want any of the people here up in arms against you calling for bans and the removal of users you don't like. /sarcasm 


Anyway, the thread should be in off-topic... which obviously doesn't hurt anyone's health or ability to post and doesn't ban the thread. OP has his own opinion on the thread itself but I don't get the location issue... as others have mentioned, I believe other users starting the same thread would have likely been moved. WO has of course always been a unique case, and signatures were disabled.

Biased moderation should always be brought to light and discussed if someone feels it is happening.

Good luck with your thread. They say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery so I must admit I’m blushing a bit. Competition is great though, so I look forward to seeing how your thread progresses. I will let out a loud belly laugh if it’s moved for being an already existing thread, but may enjoy watching it die a slow death of irrelevance more.

I think he did.


This doesn't sound right. Meta is where a lot of bitching about moderation happens, not sure why this should be different.

First of all, just to be clear, it's not about defending a specific person or a thread for any reason unknown to anyone here, I don't know Og personally or ever had a private conversation with him, nor do I know anyone else other than them being forum members like myself, the reason why I'm speaking against OP is because I find him and this thread being completely unreasonable and unnecessary. I have already said this once in this thread, that if he thought that the thread we are discussing here didn't belong to Speculation, he could simply make a report to moderators and leave it to them to decide whether he is right or not. What's the point of starting a thread against a thread that isn't specifically causing any harm to the forum or any individual?

If he thinks that moderators are not good at their job, and if his report goes unhandled or turns out to be a bad one, I don't see any reason for him to call out moderators and the admin to take action by creating this thread because this wouldn't make it any different.

I just believe that whatever we are doing here is unnecessary. OP should have reported the thread, if moderators thought the report was correct, it would get moved, and if they didn't do it, he should have accepted that considering the thread isn't causing anyone any trouble.

Two wrongs don't make a right. The better question is - if the Don's thread gets moved, would you and everyone else here who defended Og's thread be equally vehement about Don's thread belonging in Speculation? Or is that different because of your obvious bias?

It's quite appalling really to see such a large group of people losing their collective mind just because they posted in a thread and someone called it "stupid". Guess what - you can still post on the off topic board, and you can even discuss bitcoin price on the off topic board! Amazing, right?

For the record, I don't think Og's thread is "the stupidest", there is a lot of competition for that title - for example the flat earth thread (RIP). And even being a stupid thread wouldn't necessarily mean it needs to be trashed... the aforementioned flat earth thread was quite amazing, but it was ON THE OFF TOPIC BOARD.

I know at least one long-time, trusted, respected member getting a temp ban for a thread that was far less off topic than the one being discussed here and wasn't a spamfest, so we have a bit of a goose/gander situation going on, which is not a good look for moderation or for the users going out of their way trying to prove that this somehow makes sense.