The UEFA Nations League 2020/2021 Discussion Thread - page 26.

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Again this super-important tournament is with us... eh Undecided

So, what do you think of this multibet: Belgium vs Wales 1.42, France vs Austria 1.38, Turkey vs Luxembourg 1.29 (lol, that seems like the easiest money even for a single bet) and Germany vs Hungary 1.26. In total, it turns out 3.18 and looks quite reliable (although, adjusted for the status of the competition, the issue of reliability is debatable).

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Quote from: nullama on September 06, 2022, 10:14:11 PM

True, but at the end of the day these matches are glorified friendlies. They do not carry the same weight as a match in the World Cup, not even close.

Also any results cannot be taken too seriously because lots of teams don't send key players or they just don't play as hard to avoid injuries.

This will be felt, especially at this stage, as the main players have a lot of games in the clubs and the World Cup will take place in 3 months, right in the middle of the season. Therefore, it will be necessary to manage the players very well, so that they can remain in their best shape until the World Cup.

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We will start again soon with the Nations League. These will also be the last international competitions before the world championship starts. The most interesting encounter is between the Netherlands and Belgium. In Belgium, the Netherlands won 1-4, but Belgium was not motivated at all. The Netherlands will win the group. I think many countries take this as a kind of preparation for the World Cup. Because the title of the Nations League does not play any significant role in terms of content. They are glorified practice matches.

True, but at the end of the day these matches are glorified friendlies. They do not carry the same weight as a match in the World Cup, not even close.

Also any results cannot be taken too seriously because lots of teams don't send key players or they just don't play as hard to avoid injuries.

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We will start again soon with the Nations League. These will also be the last international competitions before the world championship starts. The most interesting encounter is between the Netherlands and Belgium. In Belgium, the Netherlands won 1-4, but Belgium was not motivated at all. The Netherlands will win the group. I think many countries take this as a kind of preparation for the World Cup. Because the title of the Nations League does not play any significant role in terms of content. They are glorified practice matches.

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on September 03, 2022, 11:33:14 AM

There are only a few weeks to go for the next matches. We have seen the most powerful teams not caring about the Nations League much. As there is not much time left for the World Cup to start also I don't expect these teams to risk their most important players much in the Nations League matches. It is very probable to see so many rotations from them so I don't think of betting on any match in this tournament from now on.

I'm in the Nations League pool on one hand and I hope I can continue to get lucky in the remaining matches as well. It is really not easy to predict the score of the matches while teams are performing way different than normal. The schedule of players is getting tighter soon and this might cause some injuries to be seen. National teams will have a big task to keep their best players away from this situation.

That is an interesting aspect about this part of the Nations League right before the World Cup. I also think that coaches won't necessarily call for the players that are chosen for the final team already. It will be about giving chances to players who haven't yet had a chance or who still have to prove how well they function within the national team. Yet, there is also value in having at least a certain baseline within the squad or otherwise these tests are a bit like a roulette game. There are different player types. Some play well in any team, some only in some teams and then there are also disappointments. I am thinking about Werner here. He played so well for RB back then, then played at best average for Chelsea, comes back and disappoints again. That's why coaches have to choose wisely how many players they are going to leave home and which they still want to see on an international level.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on September 03, 2022, 07:55:51 AM

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You can see the odds for the winner of the UEFA Nations League here: http://sportstatist.com/who-will-win-uefa-nations-league-winner-betting-odds/

Interesting statistics. Bettors still believe much more in Denmark than in Croatia, even though Croatia beat both France and Denmark away from home in June, and now in the match with Denmark at home, the first place in the group is decided directly.
I wonder what chances they gave France before the games in June? Grin

Probably better than Denmark and Croatia today Cheesy

Denmark 8.50

Croatia 17.00

It is not the bettors who believe and set the odds, but the bookmakers, they are based primarily on statistics and the chances of teams to take first place in the group, which are higher in Denmark at the moment.

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Quote from: ILuckyGuyI on September 03, 2022, 11:33:14 AM

There are only a few weeks to go for the next matches. We have seen the most powerful teams not caring about the Nations League much. As there is not much time left for the World Cup to start also I don't expect these teams to risk their most important players much in the Nations League matches. It is very probable to see so many rotations from them so I don't think of betting on any match in this tournament from now on.

I'm in the Nations League pool on one hand and I hope I can continue to get lucky in the remaining matches as well. It is really not easy to predict the score of the matches while teams are performing way different than normal. The schedule of players is getting tighter soon and this might cause some injuries to be seen. National teams will have a big task to keep their best players away from this situation.

Yeah, you're absolutely right. I don't think most teams are concerned about this tournament, because it's basically just practise for the World cup, which is now around the corner. You don't want to have an injured player these days

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There are only a few weeks to go for the next matches. We have seen the most powerful teams not caring about the Nations League much. As there is not much time left for the World Cup to start also I don't expect these teams to risk their most important players much in the Nations League matches. It is very probable to see so many rotations from them so I don't think of betting on any match in this tournament from now on.

I'm in the Nations League pool on one hand and I hope I can continue to get lucky in the remaining matches as well. It is really not easy to predict the score of the matches while teams are performing way different than normal. The schedule of players is getting tighter soon and this might cause some injuries to be seen. National teams will have a big task to keep their best players away from this situation.

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You can see the odds for the winner of the UEFA Nations League here: http://sportstatist.com/who-will-win-uefa-nations-league-winner-betting-odds/

Interesting statistics. Bettors still believe much more in Denmark than in Croatia, even though Croatia beat both France and Denmark away from home in June, and now in the match with Denmark at home, the first place in the group is decided directly.
I wonder what chances they gave France before the games in June? Grin

Probably better than Denmark and Croatia today Cheesy

Denmark 8.50

Croatia 17.00

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Quote from: joker_josue on July 11, 2022, 05:14:48 AM

The risk of injury is always there, even in training. It is up to the technical team to better manage the players at their disposal, in order to avoid or minimize this type of problem.
UEFA's idea is for teams to start using more players, who are used less. In Europe there are more and more players, if they don't have opportunities, it can reduce interest and devalue the market. So, with the creation of more official proofs, it serves that these opportunities arise.
Of course, at first it seems strange, and there is still the mentality of always using the same players. But I believe that in the medium term, we are going to start to see greater rotation in the squads and that could increase the more exciting competition.

Yes, you're right about that, the truth is I don't know how the technical directors think in that sense, but if I were the technical director I would use the entire bench, for the simple reason of giving them minutes in important competitions, that way they measure up very well and it helps to see which players have the most potential to face stronger matches, if their mentality is to put all the best in each match, they are playing with fire, that is something that teams like Brazil do not do much, they keep and take care of enough to the quite key players, or at least those who are key to winning a game, the stars.

I don’t think there is any point in giving a player 10 minutes off an important match and judging a player based on that. We know that even elite players can have off days. And 10 minutes or even 20 minutes cannot be enough to judge how a player is going to perform in the future.

Now it is obviously a wise decision to wait and not give a young player the chance to start a match. This is because the coach thinks that he is not ready. Because we have seen multiple times that overenthusiasm can cause problems.

But it is also not right just to bring them in for the last 10 or 20 minutes and jobs are done based on that. I think if they are just trying to give the players some time and they don’t care about the match then it’s okay. But if they are trying to charge the performance of a player then I think they should bring him on around the 55th or 60th minute.

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These are valid points, however the risks exist in a pronounced way, but what are the risks? I think that the main thing of all is that one of the best players could be injured and cannot go to represent his team in the World Cup and this is something very sad, both for the player and for the team and this has happened in friendly matches and it affects an entire nation enormously, I have seen how this has happened to Colombia, Peru, with some of the best players they have, some if they manage to recover, others not, but I think that for this competition as well as for friendlies in Europe , the players who are stars should take care and not play in order not to run the risk of getting injured.

The risk of injury is always there, even in training. It is up to the technical team to better manage the players at their disposal, in order to avoid or minimize this type of problem.

UEFA's idea is for teams to start using more players, who are used less. In Europe there are more and more players, if they don't have opportunities, it can reduce interest and devalue the market. So, with the creation of more official proofs, it serves that these opportunities arise.

Of course, at first it seems strange, and there is still the mentality of always using the same players. But I believe that in the medium term, we are going to start to see greater rotation in the squads and that could increase the more exciting competition.

Yes, you're right about that, the truth is I don't know how the technical directors think in that sense, but if I were the technical director I would use the entire bench, for the simple reason of giving them minutes in important competitions, that way they measure up very well and it helps to see which players have the most potential to face stronger matches, if their mentality is to put all the best in each match, they are playing with fire, that is something that teams like Brazil do not do much, they keep and take care of enough to the quite key players, or at least those who are key to winning a game, the stars.

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Quote from: EdenHazard on July 11, 2022, 07:16:39 PM

Senior players even a bit frustrated with this new competition due the busy schedule in the club so yeah better not to take this nations league too serious and give more time to young players tbh.

But the idea is to have this rotation. But the "old" mentality of the technical teams is being a little resistant to that.
Even so, these last games were the first ones where we saw the big teams do a bigger rotation of the players, that's why we saw a little unexpected results.

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We were indeed amazed by Hungary's performance when they succeeded in slaughtering the English hosts in front of the public at Wembley Stadium, but for the England national team this is not a tournament that is taken seriously by the three lion squad so this is a natural thing if they have to admit Hungary's superiority because of us. know that they don't take this tournament seriously, especially since it's only a friendly tournament, especially since the England coach himself is trying to find a team strength for the starting line-up ahead of the Qatar world cup next November.

I think that these results of the group of death, because I am also a supporter that it is the group of death, gives a lot to think about, also despite the fact that the English say that this tournament is not so relevant for them because it is considered friendly for some , it is very good preparation for them and to do a good job in the World Cup, I would see it with concern, not hearing the feat of Hungary, but the way the English are playing, with a team when David Beckham and Rooney were there, this was not happening, of that if I am sure, I think that England must again take the reins and be that team that was scary to see them.

I don't think that anytime should care about whether the FIFA tournament is important or not. they should have the mentality to perform really well regardless. And it probably wouldn't have mattered so much if they lost by only 1/2 goals. but they lost by 4-goal deference and were also not able to score even one. And that was also against a team like Hungary. so now if they are trying to play the innocent card, and say that it was not important to them, I am going to say that it is just a bunch of bull shit.

I only say one thing, in football as in any sport, anything can happen, I am not inclined towards Hungary despite their feat, but for me the friendly matches or in this case how this cpa is considered can show us a totally different face different, although England has those problems, with this demonstration it makes it clear to us that there are things to improve, that is something obvious, but we cannot say that it is a team that will not succeed with all the trajectory that it has always presented, for me England not only will it recover, but most are thinking that it is a bad team, and that is not good, they can cause surprises.

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Actually, I agree with this decision of rotating the squad frequently because by doing so a lot of players who do not generally have enough play time or any play time at all will be able to get a decent amount of playtime. We generally see that the squad is not rotated very frequently unless there is an injury problem or the players in the main 11 are not 100% fit for the next match. But now there will be a better rotation of squad and that is going to be e making the competition a lot more interesting.

And this is especially felt in the national teams.
Many players show a lot of potential in the younger layers (under-16, under-20, under-21), but then they have few opportunities in the main national teams. This is not because they are not good, but because they have little opportunity to play, since the most experienced and with the best qualifications always have the upper hand.
Of course this is normal. But if there are more competitions, these players will have more opportunities and that turns out to be good for everyone: players and clubs.

Nations league meant to be a competition that allow more talent to have more time to show off , but in fact ... they are all take it too serious making there is still not much space to grow for young players to show off , they keep putting their best 11 selections on the field rather than having a joy to give more young players a time to play.

Senior players even a bit frustrated with this new competition due the busy schedule in the club so yeah better not to take this nations league too serious and give more time to young players tbh.

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Quote from: S A KHAIR on July 11, 2022, 06:21:17 PM

Actually, I agree with this decision of rotating the squad frequently because by doing so a lot of players who do not generally have enough play time or any play time at all will be able to get a decent amount of playtime. We generally see that the squad is not rotated very frequently unless there is an injury problem or the players in the main 11 are not 100% fit for the next match. But now there will be a better rotation of squad and that is going to be e making the competition a lot more interesting.

And this is especially felt in the national teams.
Many players show a lot of potential in the younger layers (under-16, under-20, under-21), but then they have few opportunities in the main national teams. This is not because they are not good, but because they have little opportunity to play, since the most experienced and with the best qualifications always have the upper hand.
Of course this is normal. But if there are more competitions, these players will have more opportunities and that turns out to be good for everyone: players and clubs.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on July 11, 2022, 12:30:50 AM

These are valid points, however the risks exist in a pronounced way, but what are the risks? I think that the main thing of all is that one of the best players could be injured and cannot go to represent his team in the World Cup and this is something very sad, both for the player and for the team and this has happened in friendly matches and it affects an entire nation enormously, I have seen how this has happened to Colombia, Peru, with some of the best players they have, some if they manage to recover, others not, but I think that for this competition as well as for friendlies in Europe , the players who are stars should take care and not play in order not to run the risk of getting injured.

The risk of injury is always there, even in training. It is up to the technical team to better manage the players at their disposal, in order to avoid or minimize this type of problem.
UEFA's idea is for teams to start using more players, who are used less. In Europe there are more and more players, if they don't have opportunities, it can reduce interest and devalue the market. So, with the creation of more official proofs, it serves that these opportunities arise.
Of course, at first it seems strange, and there is still the mentality of always using the same players. But I believe that in the medium term, we are going to start to see greater rotation in the squads and that could increase the more exciting competition.

Actually, I agree with this decision of rotating the squad frequently because by doing so a lot of players who do not generally have enough play time or any play time at all will be able to get a decent amount of playtime. We generally see that the squad is not rotated very frequently unless there is an injury problem or the players in the main 11 are not 100% fit for the next match. But now there will be a better rotation of squad and that is going to be e making the competition a lot more interesting.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on July 01, 2022, 06:36:24 PM

I think that these results of the group of death, because I am also a supporter that it is the group of death, gives a lot to think about, also despite the fact that the English say that this tournament is not so relevant for them because it is considered friendly for some , it is very good preparation for them and to do a good job in the World Cup, I would see it with concern, not hearing the feat of Hungary, but the way the English are playing, with a team when David Beckham and Rooney were there, this was not happening, of that if I am sure, I think that England must again take the reins and be that team that was scary to see them.

England has overly underestimated this league.I agree with you though,they should have seen it as the best preparation for the World Cup because they will play in the World Cup just over a month after this league finishes for this year in the end of September.No matter what England say Hungary has humiliated them by making them suffer the worse defeat in their history as a team.I doubt that England can go very far in the World Cup with such shameful performances if they do not take seriously the second part of the Nations League and win every game,they have the possibility to do so and by doing so they would be in top form before starting the World Cup on November.

This is not a competition where a lot of things are on the line. To be honest, this is just a preparation for the World Cup, and no one really cares about what happens during this tournament. I don't think England is going to feel really hurt or anything because they lost against an inferior team by 4-0. Actually, I also don't care what results come out of this tournament because this will not have any effect anywhere. This tournament exists just to give the players who do not get enough playing time a chance to participate, in my opinion. Other than that, I don't think there is any use in this tournament. But I also agree that England is not going to get too far in the world cup.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on July 11, 2022, 12:30:50 AM

These are valid points, however the risks exist in a pronounced way, but what are the risks? I think that the main thing of all is that one of the best players could be injured and cannot go to represent his team in the World Cup and this is something very sad, both for the player and for the team and this has happened in friendly matches and it affects an entire nation enormously, I have seen how this has happened to Colombia, Peru, with some of the best players they have, some if they manage to recover, others not, but I think that for this competition as well as for friendlies in Europe , the players who are stars should take care and not play in order not to run the risk of getting injured.

The risk of injury is always there, even in training. It is up to the technical team to better manage the players at their disposal, in order to avoid or minimize this type of problem.

UEFA's idea is for teams to start using more players, who are used less. In Europe there are more and more players, if they don't have opportunities, it can reduce interest and devalue the market. So, with the creation of more official proofs, it serves that these opportunities arise.

Of course, at first it seems strange, and there is still the mentality of always using the same players. But I believe that in the medium term, we are going to start to see greater rotation in the squads and that could increase the more exciting competition.

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The group that includes Hungary can be called the death group. A group with strong teams. But being a leader in this group is truly an incredible event. Big surprise. The fact that Hungary scored four away goals against England in the last match shows that they are a great team. Although there were very good players in the England National Team they could not be a good team. The important thing here will be the continuation of Hungary's success. I see a really close knit, ambitious team right now.

I agree with you, Hungary has demonstrated an excellent performance that made many people to predicted for their favour, because they defeated England and other strong teams in this tournament that showed that nothing will stop them not to achieve this season title. Hungary coach is really doing a great job because for a Hungary to defeated England, show that their coach has raised a talented players that will help the team to achieve this season title and next season title. I believe Hungary will definitely win their next match to improve their points.

We were indeed amazed by Hungary's performance when they succeeded in slaughtering the English hosts in front of the public at Wembley Stadium, but for the England national team this is not a tournament that is taken seriously by the three lion squad so this is a natural thing if they have to admit Hungary's superiority because of us. know that they don't take this tournament seriously, especially since it's only a friendly tournament, especially since the England coach himself is trying to find a team strength for the starting line-up ahead of the Qatar world cup next November.

I think that these results of the group of death, because I am also a supporter that it is the group of death, gives a lot to think about, also despite the fact that the English say that this tournament is not so relevant for them because it is considered friendly for some , it is very good preparation for them and to do a good job in the World Cup, I would see it with concern, not hearing the feat of Hungary, but the way the English are playing, with a team when David Beckham and Rooney were there, this was not happening, of that if I am sure, I think that England must again take the reins and be that team that was scary to see them.

England has overly underestimated this league.I agree with you though,they should have seen it as the best preparation for the World Cup because they will play in the World Cup just over a month after this league finishes for this year in the end of September.No matter what England say Hungary has humiliated them by making them suffer the worse defeat in their history as a team.I doubt that England can go very far in the World Cup with such shameful performances if they do not take seriously the second part of the Nations League and win every game,they have the possibility to do so and by doing so they would be in top form before starting the World Cup on November.

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Quote from: nullama on June 27, 2022, 08:40:25 PM

Quote from: joker_josue on June 27, 2022, 06:22:57 AM

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This competition was created with the aim of ending friendly games. Therefore, it is normal for many players to take these games less seriously. As the competition is still very recent, it still doesn't generate much motivation. But with three or four more years of competition, I believe that mentality will change a bit.

I don't think the whole purpose is to completely eliminate friendly games, but to instead provide a more organized structure to all the friendlies that can happen in Europe, where there are many, many great teams.

Friendly matches on top of the Nations League will continue to happen, just not as frequently as before. In a way, this makes friendly matches a bit more interesting, because there are less of them. The Nations League is basically a lower tier tournament compared to the World Cup for example, but it's nice to have so many different teams playing with each other all the time.

These are valid points, however the risks exist in a pronounced way, but what are the risks? I think that the main thing of all is that one of the best players could be injured and cannot go to represent his team in the World Cup and this is something very sad, both for the player and for the team and this has happened in friendly matches and it affects an entire nation enormously, I have seen how this has happened to Colombia, Peru, with some of the best players they have, some if they manage to recover, others not, but I think that for this competition as well as for friendlies in Europe , the players who are stars should take care and not play in order not to run the risk of getting injured.

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Quote from: suryana on June 21, 2022, 03:50:43 PM

We were indeed amazed by Hungary's performance when they succeeded in slaughtering the English hosts in front of the public at Wembley Stadium, but for the England national team this is not a tournament that is taken seriously by the three lion squad so this is a natural thing if they have to admit Hungary's superiority because of us. know that they don't take this tournament seriously, especially since it's only a friendly tournament, especially since the England coach himself is trying to find a team strength for the starting line-up ahead of the Qatar world cup next November.

I think that these results of the group of death, because I am also a supporter that it is the group of death, gives a lot to think about, also despite the fact that the English say that this tournament is not so relevant for them because it is considered friendly for some , it is very good preparation for them and to do a good job in the World Cup, I would see it with concern, not hearing the feat of Hungary, but the way the English are playing, with a team when David Beckham and Rooney were there, this was not happening, of that if I am sure, I think that England must again take the reins and be that team that was scary to see them.

I don't think that anytime should care about whether the FIFA tournament is important or not. they should have the mentality to perform really well regardless. And it probably wouldn't have mattered so much if they lost by only 1/2 goals. but they lost by 4-goal deference and were also not able to score even one. And that was also against a team like Hungary. so now if they are trying to play the innocent card, and say that it was not important to them, I am going to say that it is just a bunch of bull shit.

Well, I just limit myself to thinking that this team had many mistakes that will surely be fully reviewed so that they don't happen again, and it may be a game that has marked the team so that a type of attitude of that style does not come out anymore.

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