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I feel like Izzy will win. He showed up with a dog collar, did you see that? I think he took it on another level when he said: I’m a dog, it’s a dog collar and I’m about to be unleashed. Izzy had much greater fights, taughter opponents, gained more experience. Also, I think there is too much pressure on Izzy right now, he has no other option but to win. He already exaggerated this pressure when he came with Dog Collar. If he loses, then Alex's fans will call him a puppy dog. I can't imagine how extremely he will be bullied if he loses this fight because he associated himself with dog that wears a collar. He has no other way but just to win, he cut every other way!

So, I bet on Israel Adesanya.

He did some of that cooking stuff that is posted on social media. A career that's very far from combat, I can only think he will be moving on to boxing after all few of these MMA fighters are now trying boxing. He could try the Logan brothers, he could be winning millions still with boxing.

This 2nd fight is already giving doubts to UFC fans if he still got it. His nemesis followed him from kickboxing to MMA and maybe if he couldn't win in MMA, it's possible in boxing.

Hey! I completely grasp your unease regarding Adesanya's UFC destiny. A second loss might shake any fighter, especially one as gifted as Adesanya. But wait, let's avoid hasty assumptions. Perhaps he'll stun us with an unexpected comeback, even stronger after defeat.

Alternatively, he might opt for a dignified exit and pivot to full-time meme production or food blogging, celebrating his passion for carbohydrates. Picture "Adesanya's Starch Extravaganza," a cooking show where he reveals carb-laden dishes to his followers. Pancakes, pasta, and pizza prepared with UFC gloves on—what a sight!  

No matter Adesanya's choice, his impact on MMA is undeniable. A rising legend, we ought to cherish his prowess while he's active. So, let's unwind and relish Saturday's spectacle. Who can predict whether we'll witness meme inception or the debut of a carb-rich creation?

A promoter should be willing to promote the fight and a sanctioning body should license the fight to take place, if not exhibition bouts is the only way and the main purpose for conducting these huge fights is to earn the revenue and there is a limit on how much they can earn by conducting an exhibition bout.

Tyson Fury said, he is willing to compete in boxing with Francis Ngannou with MMA gloves, which is obviously an exhibition bout. No kicks or wrestling, pure boxing with small gloves.

Last year, One FC conducted a mixed rules (4 three minute rounds alternating between Muay Thai and MMA rules) bout with Demetrious Johnson and Rodtang, who is a Muay Thai legend. First round was Muay Thai and second round was MMA rules and Demetrious Johnson survived the first round and in the second round he took Rodtang down and finished the fight.

It is hard to quantify how anyone would take a brutal leg kick but elite specialist in one discipline and with basic ground game can go a long way in MMA. In the case of Vasiliy Lomachenko, he is an elite level boxer with crisp movements and even a specialist boxer who spent their lifetime boxing cannot quantify the movement and speed of Vasiliy Lomachenko, just image how a mixed martial artist who spends time to learn multiple fight techniques and not concentrate on one aspect would be able to handle them and on top of that, Lomachenko is an elite ground fighter with Sambo Judo and Wrestling, so he is a perfect fit to transition if he ever wants to in a hypothetical situation.


Purely financial motive and most of the MMA fighters that transitions to boxing, either does not have the ability to practice other discipline due to age or injury and hence moving to boxing to find revenue. The discipline of boxing is one aspect of the fight game in MMA and for a boxer to learn how to kick and grapple or basic wrestling defense would take years grasp and hence the transition from boxing to MMA is rare, because any MMA fighter could easily take the boxer down and submit without much struggle.

If he looses again, he needs to wait for Alex Pereira to fight against a wrestler and he will be back on track to regain the title .  


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Khabib Nurmagomedov is right about getting your English right and yeah Islam Makhachev may have a difficult time speaking straight Alex Pereira surely has a long way to learning his English, but surely many fans want their champion to speak fluent English even though Manny Pacquaio isn't really that Fluent at least he is trying his best in making efforts in learning,

Well, Alex Pereira should get Paulo Costa's way of speaking to his fans and to his bashers, 


We all know the outcome of this if Boxers would go straight to the octagon MMA will surely win not until boxers will have the training to counter those wrestling, and kicks that they don't have with boxing, if you see what One Championship have done with their 10th years anniversary the ONE X they throw down a mixed rules records were fighters will have Four three-minute rounds alternating between Muay Thai and MMA rules, and that fight was between Demetrious Johnson against Rodtang Jitmuangnon pretty much Mighty Mouse survive the Muay Thai round match and when the MMA rules come up he defeated the nasty Rodtang Jitmuangnon, with a Technical Submission rear-naked choke, this will be the fate of boxers that will fight inside the octagon without proper MMA knowledge and training,

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Now here are my full picks for the UFC 287 and their stake odds,

MAIN EVENT

Alex Pereira (2.18) VS Israel Adesanya (1.78) - Betting for Adesanya

CO-MAIN EVENT

Gilbert Burns (1.24) VS Jorge Masvidal (4.70) - Not Betting

MAIN CARD

Rob Font (2.60) VS Adrian Yanez (1.56) - Betting for Yanez
Kevin Holland (1.43) VS Santiago Ponzinibbio (3.10) - Not Betting
Raul Rosas Jr. (1.43) VS Christian Rodriguez (3.10) - Betting for Rosas

PRELIMINARY CARD

Kelvin Gastelum (1.81) VS Chris Curtis (2.14) - Not Betting
Michelle Waterson-Gomez (2.45) VS Luana Pinheiro (1.63) - Not Betting
Gerald Meerschaert (2.65) VS Joseph Pyfer (1.55) - Not Betting
Karl Williams (1.25) VS Chase Sherman (4.50) - Not Betting
Cynthia Calvillo (3.45) VS Lupita Godinez (1.37) - Not Betting
Trey Ogden (3.90) VS Ignacio Bahamondes (1.31) - Not Betting
Steve Garcia (2.65) VS Shayilan Nuerdanbieke (1.55) - Not Betting
Sam Hughes (3.25) VS Jaqueline Amorim (1.41) - Not Betting

I do.
That's why I hate to see him lose this fight against Pereira. I want him to win because there's a chance he might retire. The other option is to go to a higher-weight class because he got it on his height. He just needs more carbo and he will be suitable there. He is 33 years, he has all the reasons to retire after he reigned in the middleweight class. The mental effect can also be one good reason to hang his gloves.

He wins this fight on Saturday, he keeps on fighting, and he loses again after having the title back, he will still keep on fighting.
He said, "I am going to give all I've got." That means a lot of things like there's nothing more he can offer afterward if he loses again.

I would not agree with you on it. I think Izzy has a chance and in my mind it's 50/50. If Izzy can drag him down and do a bit of wrestling in first round I think Pereira will go out of gas in later rounds. And this is likely to happen same like landing some big shot from Pereira. Cause of that I think it's 50/50.

Yeah sure...  But I wonder how they'd handle kicks to the legs.  :/  Especially those Gaethje style leg kicks.  I don't think they'd be able to handle a couple of rounds of those.  There's also the grappling aspect.

That's why I hate MMA fighters try and make transition into boxing and get ridiculed if they lost.  It's mostly just a dog and pony show.  Why don't the best in boxing get into MMA.

Anyway, does anybody else think Adesanya is gonna retire if he loses again?

Pereira has a very strong determination and a stamina to support it. He kept his strengths in their last fight, allowed Adesanya to have his feel and exhaust himself before he went all out and won the fight. He can do it again, unless Adesanya keeps the fight leveled without burning out before the last two rounds. Pereira has a strategy to beat Adesanya even though he is less experienced, it worked the first time and I believe he must have perfected it. Pereira will win again and silence Israel Adesanya once and for all.

Adesanya was always cautious, he preferred to wait for the right moment and his anthropometry allowed him to have an advantage in his strategy. I don't know if it's possible to say that Pereira knows exactly what he will do, because Adesanya will also want to change something in his strategy so as not to be too predictable for the opponent.

Perhaps Adesanya will have to act at some point in an unusual manner for him in order to count on a confident victory, and not hope for positive decisions from the judges, if it comes to that. Pereira will go forward, I have no doubt about it, he feels very confident against Adesanya, he knows on a subconscious level that he has defeated this opponent many times.

Some asian promotions in past have special MMA rules - ground game and submitting can be done only starting from round two. But during round one, fighters were allowed to do throws and standing wrestle. This was made specially, to make fight more exciting and last longer, because in past not many fighters managed and knew how to escape kneebars and achilles locks. (I am speaking about 90s era, when Pride, Pancrase and etc promotions were on top).

I dont know if this is true and they can always have mixed rules that would be between boxing and MMA.
Tyson Fury said in public that he wants to fight with Francis Ngannou and that he would accept something like that.
I really want to see this fight happening and it can be with any rules they want 

If Adesanya win this fight, there's should be a third fight in soon to make sure which one is really win the fight and was not a fluke.

Looking at the other fighters history, usually when someone lost in the first fight, they will perform better in the second fight. But Adesanya and Pereira already met for 3 times and Pereira always win. Judging from the previous fight, Adesanya should win if it goes to distance, but not sure with the next fight since the judges might favor to Pereira.

Anyway Roobet has an interesting promotion for Adesanya vs Pereira event, if you bet Pereira to win in the pre match, Roobet will double your winnings up to $100.

Like movie actors acting in war movies participating in real war  . Let them do their thing acting out the moves and if they are exceptional talents then they will cross over to the real world like Brock Lesnar and Bobby Lashley without any contract barriers because they are legit MMA fighters but the problem is that age is not on their side.

Israel Adesanya needs to win this fight if he ever wants to become the champion and break the curse of getting defeated by Alex Pereira in any combat sports.

In the first fight Alex Pereira got into serious trouble in the first round and if there was a few seconds left, Israel Adesanya would have knocked him out, the bell helped him that time. Alex is a world class striker and it will be a striking battle.

No boxer will want to get humiliated by fighting with MMA rules and hence you wont see anyone after the James Toney disaster who was a decorated boxer with championships in multiple division fought Randy Couture and got finished in the first round.

Two world class boxers that would fair in MMA is Vasiliy Lomachenko and Terence Crawford who have legit high level wrestling background.


Volk is impersonating Stone Cold Steve Austin.

WWE being scripted, Mike Tyson was a guest whenever he appeared on WWE Tv.

Brock Lesnar is a special athlete, he is a legit high level wrestler who won NCAA Division I and then the ability to switch to WWE in a short period and then moving on to MMA cannot be done by everyone unless you are a freak athlete.

I also saw this news and I confess that when I was reading this news I even thought it was a bad combination, but then I started looking at things from another angle, what if WWE athletes were to start fighting for real without acting but it would be a fight following the rules of wrestling? no doubt this would be something very innovative that would attract attention even from people who like real fights, those moves that wrestling guys do, if it's a real fight without staging, we could see the fights at a very high level, something completely different from what we have already seen. the referee would be someone serious, the judges would also be someone serious, the winners could be decided by knockout and jury decision

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with Israel Adesanya's fight approaching, he has given many interviews, at least it looks like that, and in the interviews the guy has shown that he still hasn't resigned himself to the defeats he had, so the guy will come with everything he has to win this one fight, but his problem will be on his psychological side, for example:


source: https://www.fightnewsaustralia.com/i-dont-keep-score-i-settle-them-israel-adesanya-is-looking-to-put-an-end-to-the-rivalry-this-weekend-at-ufc-287/

if Israel Adesanya loses in this fight, no doubt it will psychologically shake him for some time, and if perreira keeps laughing at him or does things that go against Israel Adesanya, then Israel Adesanya will be psychologically destabilized easily and perreira will take advantage this to win the fight

^  Yup Rosas is something special but his opponent this coming weekend is kinda decent tho.  If Rosas couldn't finish the match early it could get dicey for him.  But then again it's a good thing as we could see how he is in the cage beyond 1.5 rounds.


I'm pretty sure Volk is dressing up as Andre the Giant.  

Anyway here's my lottery ticket for 287.  

Burns - Rosas
Add:  Godinez - Pereira
Add:  Bahamondes - Curtis
Add:  Yanez - Ponz
Add:  Shayilan - Meerschaert
Add:  Waterson - Hughes
Add:  Sherman

Good luck to all your bets!

Edit:  Typos.

It will be the second official figt of Raul Rosas, and I will go all in on that guy, he is really joung, but had shown a big potential, lets remember how does he end his last fight in the first round with a choke. And what I don't know is if bet on him to win or bet on the submission. I feel like the submission would be easy money too.

And I see another big names in this event, Pereira, and Masvidal are some fighters that has given us some awesome shows in the past. Let's enjoy the UFC weekend.

Dana White is a very, very money oriented. He prioritizes money so much that I bet he will suck Conor's balls every day and night if it increases his income. Yes, money is important but Dana White is very addicted, I think he is the main barrier here for fighters. UFC would have far amazing fights if it appreciated fighters over show makers.

I think that language is not a barrier in trashtalk, especially if we keep in mind that Makhachev and Khabib talk Russian which is very fluent language in offensive words and the way Russian offensive words sound, it's just, a language for fight and trashtalk. But the reason why these people don't do trashtalk is that it's not a thing that a good man should do in Dagestan, it's also against their religion and these guys are religious and family men. There comes a cultural difference which at some point is hard to explain to foreigner with different culture.
If Conor was from Dagestan, no one would appreciate him in his home country because of his trashtalk, offensive actions, etc.

These two guys looks rather familiar Hard to know who Volkanovski was cosplaying, but Whittaker is pure Hulk Hogan

Do you think we could have mixed tournaments one day? Or see UFC heavyweight participate in WWE matches? I clearly remember I saw Mike Tyson in a wrestling match/fight. And we all remember Brock Lesnar, that came from WWE and performed well in UFC. This slowly turns into "is wrestling fake" discussion As Lesnar was rather prepared for striking in his fight UFC fight.