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Quote from: TopTort777 on August 16, 2021, 05:17:14 AM

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I dont think that he will easily defeat each and every in heavyweight division. He is skilled and quick, but can he stand against the power of fighters? Will he be able to survive heavy punches, as guys that weight 110-120kg strike much harder than 93kg? Lots of his last fights ended with decision. lots of his last fights were on the distance. Will he be able to keep Gane, Ngannou, Miocic, Blaydes all the time on the distance?

One thing everyone will accept is that Jon Jones will be much faster than anyone in the Heavyweight division, if you can see the shot coming then he will evade. He faced many champions during his reign and no one was able to catch him and knock him down and you think Jon Jones will not evade these heavy punches, he still have his long reach advantage than anyone else . I am sure he will tactically break down the fighter as majority will tire down once the fight goes the third round and he will pick apart.

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Quote from: tokeweed on August 16, 2021, 10:50:45 AM

I’m kinda leaning Gastelum to win here too just cos he attempts more TD’s per match and Cannonier’s TD defense isn’t really that good. Around 54% according to the stats:

Yes but Cannonier has bigger 6 inch reach advantage than Gastelum and his striking accuracy is also better.
Odds are showing that Cannonier is a big favorite in this fight and Gastelum won only one fight from last five, so not much is going in his favor for this fight.

If you think that MMA fighters make a lot of money than you will be shocked by Cyril Gane statement who said that in his last fight with Lewis he earned $350,000, but when he paid taxes, his team and coaches he was left with only $188,000.
That is nothing compared with money that boxers earn and only top MMA fighters earned millions
https://mmajunkie.usatoday.com/2021/08/ufc-news-ciryl-gane-reveals-interim-heavyweight-title-purse-against-derrick-lewis

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^ And Gastelum has a cast iron chin. He has never been KO’d in the UFC.. I haven’t looked closely into it but maybe even in his whole career. But still no value in the over 4.5 at pickem odds imo.

No bets yet but other spots I’m looking at are Guida to win, under 2.5 rounds in the Pantoja vs Royval match, over 1.5 rounds in Knight vs Cherant, Pichel to win, Saldana to win, Roberts to win and Brahimaj to win. This cars is a sleeper imo. Lot’s of spots.

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UFC Vegas 34 Free Fight: Cannonier vs Hermansson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvpn33ESCYQ

UFC Vegas 34 Free Fight: Gastelum vs Jacare
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yETLTn3seFA

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Quote from: tokeweed on August 16, 2021, 10:50:45 AM

^ Yup. I’m kinda leaning Gastelum to win here too just cos he attempts more TD’s per match and Cannonier’s TD defense isn’t really that good. Around 54% according to the stats:

http://www.ufcstats.com/fight-details/f536ba47f006474a

But the line tho. It needs more value to be against a big bad mofo like Cannonier. The guy used to fight in HW. Lol.

Great find with the stat on the takedown defense of Jared Cannonier, but even though Jared Cannonier is really bad in that division his Striking potential is really awesome that is why he is the favorite with the odds, but we can not set aside the potential of Kelvin Gastelum, this guys has proven his worth and if he is really focusing with his wrestling then Cannonier will be having a hard time, even though Gastelum is the underdog here, he still has the potential to surely make Cannonier pressure and destroy his momentum because of those takedowns.

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^ Yup. I’m kinda leaning Gastelum to win here too just cos he attempts more TD’s per match and Cannonier’s TD defense isn’t really that good. Around 54% according to the stats:

http://www.ufcstats.com/fight-details/f536ba47f006474a

But the line tho. It needs more value to be against a big bad mofo like Cannonier. The guy used to fight in HW. Lol.

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Quote from: Welsh on August 15, 2021, 12:15:16 PM

The Gastelum fight might be worth putting a bet on for going the distance depending on the odds, that's if you don't want to predict either way. I'm actually thinking a Kelvin Gastelum decision win is on the cards. Kelvin Gastelum has probably the best fight against Adesanya, other than Jan who beat him so he clearly knows how to stay safe against strikers, and he's a wrestler. Wrestlers notoriously do well against strikers.

I've been thinking the same thing and what I have said in my previous post, Gastelum really did a great job against Izzy, his performance really did pressure Adesanya back then, and if he can pull that out again with his improved wrestling maybe he can really win against Jared Cannonier but again I am still checking on something and I am not finished with my research if Gastelum could make it happen, If I can visualize what may happen on the ring I would post my pick and opinion regarding this, right now Jared Cannonier is still favorite in stake.com with an odd of 1.67 and Gatelum with 2.37.

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If the old Jon Jones steps in the heavyweight division he will once again defeat each and every fighter without any exception but he is abusing his body for a long time with drugs and alcohol and you never know when that will bite back as well.

I dont think that he will easily defeat each and every in heavyweight division. He is skilled and quick, but can he stand against the power of fighters? Will he be able to survive heavy punches, as guys that weight 110-120kg strike much harder than 93kg? Lots of his last fights ended with decision. lots of his last fights were on the distance. Will he be able to keep Gane, Ngannou, Miocic, Blaydes all the time on the distance?

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Quote from: Welsh on August 15, 2021, 05:22:30 AM

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Everyone wants to see Jon Jones lose, right? I'm thinking a Ngannou VS Jon Jones would be the more likely, and would be more likely to be a knockout. I think Gane would get out worked, and out maneuvers against Jon Jones, and I don't think he would have the knockout that Ngannou would have. Don't get me wrong, Jon Jones probably out works, and out maneuvers both of them, but I would be confident in Ngannou catching him a few times with some big shot .

Everyone portraits Jon Jones in a different light after the hit and run incident and everyone is aware of his talents and he is undefeated literally and what is disappointing is that he is arguably the best fighter and he was never able to pull big crowds whenever he fights and the best PPV he sold was when he was facing Daniel Cormier and everyone wants to see him move up in weight to see some competition for him.

If the old Jon Jones steps in the heavyweight division he will once again defeat each and every fighter without any exception but he is abusing his body for a long time with drugs and alcohol and you never know when that will bite back as well.

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The Gastelum fight might be worth putting a bet on for going the distance depending on the odds, that's if you don't want to predict either way. I'm actually thinking a Kelvin Gastelum decision win is on the cards. Kelvin Gastelum has probably the best fight against Adesanya, other than Jan who beat him so he clearly knows how to stay safe against strikers, and he's a wrestler. Wrestlers notoriously do well against strikers.

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Jared Cannonier VS Kelvin Gastelum

Well, this is one interesting fight both have been defeated by Robert Whittaker but Cannonier have defeated Jack Hermansson with TKO Punches while Gastelum has been defeated by Hermansson with a submission, my take is I really think that Jared Cannonier has the advantage over Gastelum even though Gastelum seems has more experience than Cannonier the fact that he has a height and reaches advantage over Gastelum but my decision could also change, right now Kelvin Gastelum is focusing more on wrestling but Gastelum is also good at striking and we have seen this with the Adesanya fight the pressure he is giving to Israel Adesanya is amazing together with his durability have really pressured Israel Adesanya, but I guess Gastelum could go the distance, and if he can wrestle Cannonier and pressure him to the ground with a barrage of punches he might have the chance.

For this fight, Jared Cannonier looks like the favorite for me, with speed and flexibility on his side. In a duel of such opponents, it is not easy to determine the winner, everything can be decided by one good blow, but I think that Jared Cannonier will win.

Well I also think that Jared Cannonier has the advantage over Gastelum, but this may change if I can watch training on Kelvin Gastelum side and how he is preparing for this fight because right now Gastelum is really focusing on his Wrestling, and he might try to pressure Cannonier with it, as we all know Gastelum can really go the distance and his durability has proven really efficient in pressuring his opponent, but I still think that Jared Cannonier can also have an answer for this kind of situation.

I'd also go with Cannonier on this one. Regarding Gastelum focusing on his wrestling, he has come from a wrestling background so I doubt it's a technical thing. The only thing he might change is implementing wrestling more in his game plan, and that could tip the scale if he does not revert back to striking, I doubt he can outstrike Cannonier.

I will also go with Cannonier, but I would like to see how Gastelum is preparing for this fight, just like I said he is focusing more on his wrestling, but I think there will be a combination of Wrestling and striking, just like what he did with the Izzy fight getting pressure on his opponent is his thing, but Jared Cannonier is one tough guy for Gastelum to handle, even though he surely has good Durability, the Striking power of Jared Cannonier is also legit that is why I think many are in favor with Cannonier winning and stake.com's odds was 1.69 for Jared Cannonier and 2.34 for Gastelum.

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Jared Cannonier VS Kelvin Gastelum

Well, this is one interesting fight both have been defeated by Robert Whittaker but Cannonier have defeated Jack Hermansson with TKO Punches while Gastelum has been defeated by Hermansson with a submission, my take is I really think that Jared Cannonier has the advantage over Gastelum even though Gastelum seems has more experience than Cannonier the fact that he has a height and reaches advantage over Gastelum but my decision could also change, right now Kelvin Gastelum is focusing more on wrestling but Gastelum is also good at striking and we have seen this with the Adesanya fight the pressure he is giving to Israel Adesanya is amazing together with his durability have really pressured Israel Adesanya, but I guess Gastelum could go the distance, and if he can wrestle Cannonier and pressure him to the ground with a barrage of punches he might have the chance.

For this fight, Jared Cannonier looks like the favorite for me, with speed and flexibility on his side. In a duel of such opponents, it is not easy to determine the winner, everything can be decided by one good blow, but I think that Jared Cannonier will win.

Well I also think that Jared Cannonier has the advantage over Gastelum, but this may change if I can watch training on Kelvin Gastelum side and how he is preparing for this fight because right now Gastelum is really focusing on his Wrestling, and he might try to pressure Cannonier with it, as we all know Gastelum can really go the distance and his durability has proven really efficient in pressuring his opponent, but I still think that Jared Cannonier can also have an answer for this kind of situation.

I'd also go with Cannonier on this one. Regarding Gastelum focusing on his wrestling, he has come from a wrestling background so I doubt it's a technical thing. The only thing he might change is implementing wrestling more in his game plan, and that could tip the scale if he does not revert back to striking, I doubt he can outstrike Cannonier.

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Jared Cannonier VS Kelvin Gastelum

Well, this is one interesting fight both have been defeated by Robert Whittaker but Cannonier have defeated Jack Hermansson with TKO Punches while Gastelum has been defeated by Hermansson with a submission, my take is I really think that Jared Cannonier has the advantage over Gastelum even though Gastelum seems has more experience than Cannonier the fact that he has a height and reaches advantage over Gastelum but my decision could also change, right now Kelvin Gastelum is focusing more on wrestling but Gastelum is also good at striking and we have seen this with the Adesanya fight the pressure he is giving to Israel Adesanya is amazing together with his durability have really pressured Israel Adesanya, but I guess Gastelum could go the distance, and if he can wrestle Cannonier and pressure him to the ground with a barrage of punches he might have the chance.

For this fight, Jared Cannonier looks like the favorite for me, with speed and flexibility on his side. In a duel of such opponents, it is not easy to determine the winner, everything can be decided by one good blow, but I think that Jared Cannonier will win.

Well I also think that Jared Cannonier has the advantage over Gastelum, but this may change if I can watch training on Kelvin Gastelum side and how he is preparing for this fight because right now Gastelum is really focusing on his Wrestling, and he might try to pressure Cannonier with it, as we all know Gastelum can really go the distance and his durability has proven really efficient in pressuring his opponent, but I still think that Jared Cannonier can also have an answer for this kind of situation.

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Quote from: YuginKadoya on August 15, 2021, 05:22:44 AM

Jared Cannonier VS Kelvin Gastelum

Well, this is one interesting fight both have been defeated by Robert Whittaker but Cannonier have defeated Jack Hermansson with TKO Punches while Gastelum has been defeated by Hermansson with a submission, my take is I really think that Jared Cannonier has the advantage over Gastelum even though Gastelum seems has more experience than Cannonier the fact that he has a height and reaches advantage over Gastelum but my decision could also change, right now Kelvin Gastelum is focusing more on wrestling but Gastelum is also good at striking and we have seen this with the Adesanya fight the pressure he is giving to Israel Adesanya is amazing together with his durability have really pressured Israel Adesanya, but I guess Gastelum could go the distance, and if he can wrestle Cannonier and pressure him to the ground with a barrage of punches he might have the chance.

For this fight, Jared Cannonier looks like the favorite for me, with speed and flexibility on his side. In a duel of such opponents, it is not easy to determine the winner, everything can be decided by one good blow, but I think that Jared Cannonier will win.

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Jared Cannonier VS Kelvin Gastelum

Well, this is one interesting fight both have been defeated by Robert Whittaker but Cannonier have defeated Jack Hermansson with TKO Punches while Gastelum has been defeated by Hermansson with a submission, my take is I really think that Jared Cannonier has the advantage over Gastelum even though Gastelum seems has more experience than Cannonier the fact that he has a height and reaches advantage over Gastelum but my decision could also change, right now Kelvin Gastelum is focusing more on wrestling but Gastelum is also good at striking and we have seen this with the Adesanya fight the pressure he is giving to Israel Adesanya is amazing together with his durability have really pressured Israel Adesanya, but I guess Gastelum could go the distance, and if he can wrestle Cannonier and pressure him to the ground with a barrage of punches he might have the chance.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on August 14, 2021, 04:57:29 PM

If Jon Jones returns to heavy weight that will be the biggest fights in the history as he could pull numbers because everyone wants to see that challenge.

Everyone wants to see Jon Jones lose, right? I'm thinking a Ngannou VS Jon Jones would be the more likely, and would be more likely to be a knockout. I think Gane would get out worked, and out maneuvers against Jon Jones, and I don't think he would have the knockout that Ngannou would have. Don't get me wrong, Jon Jones probably out works, and out maneuvers both of them, but I would be confident in Ngannou catching him a few times with some big shot .

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Quote from: AverageGlabella on August 14, 2021, 07:28:35 AM

The heavy weight division is going to get stale if Gane cannot beat Ngannou. Ngannou has beaten everyone else in the top 10 and every other top 5 fighter has fought each other. I think we need some new blood any one know of prospects in the division which are fun to watch?

Uncle Dana has another fighter to hype against Francis Ngannou for 2022 after Gane. His name is Jon “Bones” Jones hehehe.

Also, Khabib is presenty starting a career in football, soccer for Americans hehehe. Sports news media is making the comparison with Michael Jordan when Jordan stopped playing basketball and began his baseball career during his first retirement in basketball.

It appears that Khabib Nurmagomedov has completed the transition into becoming Air Eagle and will be changing sports in his athletic prime, much like NBA icon Michael Jordan before him.

Late Friday Night, the Dagestan-based soccer team FC Legion Dynamo posted a photo on Instagram of Khabib apparently signing a contract to join their squad along with the following caption:

“A great battle awaits our Legion, for which we need great warriors. Getting ready to host the RPL team together with Khabib Nurmagomedov.”

Source https://www.mmanews.com/2021/08/khabib-considers-going-full-michael-jordan-playing-another-sport-2/

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Quote from: bittraffic on August 13, 2021, 08:08:26 AM

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The advantage of Cyril against Ngannou is his stamina. Making the fight last at least 3rd round might slow Ngannou. First 2 rounds is going to be crucial for his win, if he couldn't duck the punches its him keeping the peace. Ngannou is too huge to stop and he's agile than Lewis.

When Curtis Blaydes was facing Francis Ngannou, i had the feeling that Blaydes is going to follow the same game plan like Stipe Miocic to wrestle him and get him tired and i am sure Curtis Blaydes will be also having the same thought process but we know what happened, the fight was over in 45 seconds, one shot could finish the fight and that is the most dangerous aspect for any fighter facing Francis Ngannou.

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I'd be more excited to watch Ngannou Vs Gane match too than Jones.

If Jon Jones returns to heavy weight that will be the biggest fights in the history as he could pull numbers because everyone wants to see that challenge.

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Quote from: AverageGlabella on August 14, 2021, 07:28:35 AM

The heavy weight division is going to get stale if Gane cannot beat Ngannou. Ngannou has beaten everyone else in the top 10 and every other top 5 fighter has fought each other. I think we need some new blood any one know of prospects in the division which are fun to watch?

Well, For me I really like to watch Cyril Gane fight in this division, and I really think that his skill and technique right now is superb, He surely increases my expectation and I really love watching his fight in how he can beat the bigger opponent,

But for the newer blood in the division, I don't know if he is a new fighter but he debut on Sep. 12, 2020, UFC fight night 177 - Waterson VS Hill, and his opponent was Marcos Rogerio De Lima he has 14 wins and if not a Submission but with TKO/KO only and that is Alexander "King Kong" Romanov, If you would watch his previous fights with Eagles Fighting Championship days, he is winning with a submission with his weight on the neck called the Neck crack and even though he is big in size he can sure perform a suplex, so I think he is a unique addition if you want a different experience in the heavyweight division.

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The heavy weight division is going to get stale if Gane cannot beat Ngannou. Ngannou has beaten everyone else in the top 10 and every other top 5 fighter has fought each other. I think we need some new blood any one know of prospects in the division which are fun to watch?

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Quote from: Welsh on August 13, 2021, 01:37:10 PM

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However, I don't think Francis is near being striped.

Definitely not, he's already fought this year. Its not a requirement that a fighter fights multiple times a year, unless its in their contract which I don't think it would be, since its hard to predict how much damage they take in their yearly matches. Francis usually fights 1-2 times a year, no more or less recently.

Dana also knows that there's hype behind Gane at the moment, and he might want to keep that going for as long as possible, and putting him against Francis even if you think he can win, is a significant risk compared to other people in the division that could be made. I actually think the Stipe Vs Gane would be the better match up, and more fun from a fans perspective.

Yeah, striping him is a far-fetched idea so I too am leaning more towards it being Francis vs Gane. But also inactivity can come from Francis trying to negotiate a deal and wanting to wait, wanting the Jones fight, or having an injury, so a lot of things can happen, but it's not likely. Francis vs Gane it is.

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