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Quote from: TopTort777 on April 15, 2021, 07:52:41 AM

Quote from: tokeweed on April 14, 2021, 04:02:36 PM

I def want to see Whitaker get another crack at it vs Adesanya.

But I'm more interested in Adesanya vs Gastelum fight. As I remember, it did not take much effort for Adesanya to beat Whittaker. The fight against Gastelum was hard, I might say one of the Adesanya hardest fights in UFC. Even though he won by unanimous decision, this fight was close. It was 46-48 on cards and according to them, Gastelum took first and forth rounds, and died due to lack of stamina in fifth round. Before the fifth round it was an even fight.

Yeah but you have to consider who Whitaker beat after his match vs Adesanya and compare that with who Gaselum beat. Whitaker won vs Till and Cannonier. Both top guys at MW. Gastelum lost to Till, Hermansson then won vs a fringe top 10 guy with Heinisch.

And Whitaker was supposed to fight Paulo Costa but got cancelled and got Gastelum on short notice instead.

Edit: Was leaning Romanov but after watching some of their matches, I switch to Espino. Espino is better on the ground and is the more credentialed grappler.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on April 15, 2021, 06:53:59 PM

Quote from: Welsh on April 15, 2021, 08:13:00 AM

Although, it will be interesting to see if fighters look at improving their game to see if they can take Adesanya down, as he was pretty much man handled towards the end of the fight vs Mr Polish Power. Although, there is a considerable weight difference to factor in there.

Israel Adesanya will be polishing his take down defense and unless he comes against fighters like Khamzat Chimaev who have a good ground game as well as striking game he will be fine.

Completely forgotten about Chimaev. He was very active in social media and a great fighter also. Then he somehow disappeared from my radar and last thing I've heard about him he was planning to retire (or retired). I thought that it was strange to retire in such an age and with 9-0 record.

Checked his profile - he got struck hard with covid19. Hope to see him back, but frankly, he does not look like a guy who could beat Adesanya. I'm sure he could outwrestle him, but to do that, he needs to pass Israel strikes, which bill be hard to do.

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Quote from: 7788bitcoin on April 15, 2021, 06:53:59 PM

I do agree with the statement that Robert Whittaker and Kelvin Gastelum are probably the fighters who can defeat Israel Adesanya but do not forget about Marvin Vettori who impressed me with his recent fight and he does have good take downs and Marvin Vettori gave the toughest fight in the division along with Kelvin Gastelum.

Yeah, Vettori is up there I guess. Vettori is a pressure fighter, and unfortunately for him Israel is an exceptional striker which means he's likely to eat a lot of shots before actually getting close to a takedown. Israel comes from a kickboxing background which means its not only his hands that are a threat, but his legs are real weapons too. I don't think Vettori is that impress except that he just doesn't stop coming forward. Against Holland, I wasn't that impressed with him. He did what he needed, and got the win. However, he didn't exactly steal the show or show me anything that would compete against Israel.

I don't know, obviously on the day anything can happen, but I'm not truly convinced Vettori has what it takes to beat Adesanya.

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Quote from: Welsh on April 15, 2021, 08:13:00 AM

Its the only logical step to go in my opinion. I'm fully expecting Whittaker to come away with the win, and hes deserved another title shot for a while. I also think Whittaker, and Gastelum are probably the only men in the division capable of beating Adesanya on his day.

I do agree with the statement that Robert Whittaker and Kelvin Gastelum are probably the fighters who can defeat Israel Adesanya but do not forget about Marvin Vettori who impressed me with his recent fight and he does have good take downs and Marvin Vettori gave the toughest fight in the division along with Kelvin Gastelum.

Quote from: Welsh on April 15, 2021, 08:13:00 AM

Although, it will be interesting to see if fighters look at improving their game to see if they can take Adesanya down, as he was pretty much man handled towards the end of the fight vs Mr Polish Power. Although, there is a considerable weight difference to factor in there.

Israel Adesanya will be polishing his take down defense and unless he comes against fighters like Khamzat Chimaev who have a good ground game as well as striking game he will be fine.

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I also think that Robert Whittaker can win this just by looking at their stats on the wiki I could say that Whittaker had so much win than Gastelum, and Gastelum just return by defeating Ian Heinisch that I think is not that big of a deal, I really think that Whittaker can bust open Gastelum no doubt about it, he can surely make it happen you can see Whittaker defeating Yoel Romero, Darren Till, and recent his recent win Jared Cannonier.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on April 14, 2021, 09:17:50 AM

What do you think about the opportunity of the winner in fight Robert Whittaker vs. Kelvin Gastelum to have another chance to fight against Israel Adesanya?

Its the only logical step to go in my opinion. I'm fully expecting Whittaker to come away with the win, and hes deserved another title shot for a while. I also think Whittaker, and Gastelum are probably the only men in the division capable of beating Adesanya on his day.

Although, it will be interesting to see if fighters look at improving their game to see if they can take Adesanya down, as he was pretty much man handled towards the end of the fight vs Mr Polish Power. Although, there is a considerable weight difference to factor in there.

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Quote from: tokeweed on April 14, 2021, 04:02:36 PM

I def want to see Whitaker get another crack at it vs Adesanya.

But I'm more interested in Adesanya vs Gastelum fight. As I remember, it did not take much effort for Adesanya to beat Whittaker. The fight against Gastelum was hard, I might say one of the Adesanya hardest fights in UFC. Even though he won by unanimous decision, this fight was close. It was 46-48 on cards and according to them, Gastelum took first and forth rounds, and died due to lack of stamina in fifth round. Before the fifth round it was an even fight.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on April 14, 2021, 09:17:50 AM

What do you think about the opportunity of the winner in fight Robert Whittaker vs. Kelvin Gastelum to have another chance to fight against Israel Adesanya? Adesanya has beaten both of them. It was rather easy fight against Whittaker, and a hard fight against Gastelum. Adesanya told that he does not want to fight against guy he had already beaten. But UFC is all about fighters fighting against each other 2-3 times. UFC gives everyone a second chance to try to beat the champ.

I def want to see Whitaker get another crack at it vs Adesanya. Whitaker mentally wasn’t in a good spot when they last fought and couple that with all the post training and the media stuff he had to do since he was the champ. It all prolly took a toll him.

Anyway, what do you guys think of the under 4.5 rounds at 2.11?

Edit: Typo.

Edit: A couple of vids to watch. Take note, Cannonier fractured his arm from Whitaker’s kick at the near start of the match. It was prolly during the first round. Have to watch this again.

UFC Free Fight: Whitaker vs Cannonier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HW1oG4xqzYc

UFC Free Fight: Gastelum vs Heinisch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pjEWc57anU

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Quote from: electronicash on April 12, 2021, 03:55:47 AM

can't get over that i once again bet for Kevin Grin

Kevin just needs rest putting a good rest for a bit will surely help anyone physically and mentally but Holland just keeps doing what he loves and didn't consider the proper rest that he needs,

Quote from: AakZaki on April 13, 2021, 04:50:58 AM

Congratulations to Marvin Vettori on winning in this match. Marvin Vettori won and scored 50-44. Marvin Vettori's new record made him take 11 takedowns so he was declared the absolute win. Vettori was smart enough he didn't want to fight over, he always took Holland in bottom fighting and wrestling. For Holland I think he's a little tired after losing three weeks to Derek Brunson. The result of this match made Holland lose twice in a row.

A smart move for Vettori and I think Vettori had outclassed Holland in this fight even though it is a decision win judges have seen who's really controlling the fight and keeping tabs in making Holland frustrated and don't really know what is going on, but still, Holland did a great job hanging on, that fight in just three weeks prior will surely take a toll on in his body, surely our body needs exercise but it sure needs a good rest in a while as well.

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What do you think about the opportunity of the winner in fight Robert Whittaker vs. Kelvin Gastelum to have another chance to fight against Israel Adesanya? Adesanya has beaten both of them. It was rather easy fight against Whittaker, and a hard fight against Gastelum. Adesanya told that he does not want to fight against guy he had already beaten. But UFC is all about fighters fighting against each other 2-3 times. UFC gives everyone a second chance to try to beat the champ.

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Its wishful thinking that we get the best Conor back, and by that I don't mean his antics, such as not paying the donation that he had promised, but the way he got into fighters heads before the fight, and the way he pursued each fight. He's been missing that fire, and I'm not quite sure if he will ever get it back, but it is better as a fan if we do.

Hopefully, Conor's team sorts out this issue with Poirier, but even if it does it would seem like limiting the damage done to his reputation, rather than honestly going through with the donation. If the threat that Conor has made, about cancelling the fight I really hope it back fires. He basically, cancels the fight, and then a title shot his handed to Chandler, and Poirer. I know it wont happen that way around, Conor is where the money is at, but I'd love to see it back fire on him just because of the stunt he's pulled, and the way he acts like hes the main man, and no one else matters, while at the same time being the reason why things broke down.

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Quote from: Welsh on April 12, 2021, 06:21:41 PM

I'll admit I didn't think Conor deserved another shot at Poirier, and thought Poirier should have went for the title fight instead, and I wasn't all that excited for the trilogy, but this may have given me a bit more hype to it. I think it'll go ahead, Conor probably jumping the gun by saying he'll find someone else. I think Chandler chimed in suggesting he should replace Poirier.

Dustin Poirier took the trilogy thinking he could make much more money than fighting for the belt if he gets Conor McGregor once again and so is the reason he did not claim his position for the title shot and if Michael Chandler wanted to fight Conor McGregor then Dustin Poirier can switch his position and fight for the title.

Quote from: Welsh on April 12, 2021, 06:21:41 PM

Who knows we might get the hungry old Conor back.

There is no way we are going to see the old Conor back who was hungry to succeed, we will see a more cocky Conor.

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Quote from: AakZaki on April 13, 2021, 04:50:58 AM

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Marvin Vettori VS Kevin Holland

Marvin Vettori got a build like Yoel Romero very strong with his takedowns, and Kevin Holland two weeks ago has been defeated by Derek Brunson and right now he is facing a younger version of Brunson "note" just two weeks and he is fighting again, I really think that Vettori had a pretty big percentage in winning these.

Congratulations to Marvin Vettori on winning in this match. Marvin Vettori won and scored 50-44. Marvin Vettori's new record made him take 11 takedowns so he was declared the absolute win. Vettori was smart enough he didn't want to fight over, he always took Holland in bottom fighting and wrestling. For Holland I think he's a little tired after losing three weeks to Derek Brunson. The result of this match made Holland lose twice in a row.

Take note that it’s gonna skew Vettori’s TD average per 15 minutes a bit higher after that match and Holland’s TDD percentage lower. That’s why using stats to cap fights in the UFC is a bit unreliable unlike most sports.

At first glance I like Meerschaert at 2.17, Romanov at 1.75 and Algeo at 1.88 for this weekend’s event.

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Quote from: AakZaki on April 13, 2021, 04:50:58 AM

For Holland I think he's a little tired after losing three weeks to Derek Brunson. The result of this match made Holland lose twice in a row.

I don't think the result against Derek Brunson had much effect if any at all. He didn't look that tired going into this fight, evidenced by his striking ability. He was much quicker than Vettori still, and if he kept it on the feet he would have likely won. Its the fact that Holland has an exposed weakness, and that is once you get him on the ground, he'll just accept the position (against Brunson) or he will get back up just to get taken down again. His takedown defense is atrocious considering he's quite poor on the floor. I do believe he has a black belt, but I'm not sure if that's deserved at this rate. He doesn't show too much technical ability on the floor, and its usually total dominance from his opponent.

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Quote from: YuginKadoya on April 08, 2021, 02:29:13 PM

~snip~
Marvin Vettori VS Kevin Holland

Marvin Vettori got a build like Yoel Romero very strong with his takedowns, and Kevin Holland two weeks ago has been defeated by Derek Brunson and right now he is facing a younger version of Brunson "note" just two weeks and he is fighting again, I really think that Vettori had a pretty big percentage in winning these.

Congratulations to Marvin Vettori on winning in this match. Marvin Vettori won and scored 50-44. Marvin Vettori's new record made him take 11 takedowns so he was declared the absolute win. Vettori was smart enough he didn't want to fight over, he always took Holland in bottom fighting and wrestling. For Holland I think he's a little tired after losing three weeks to Derek Brunson. The result of this match made Holland lose twice in a row.

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If it wasn't for the fact that this was over Poiriers foundation, I would probably think this is the usual fight promotion, that I'm pretty sure fighters are encouraged to do behind the scenes, but considering its over a delicate situation, I'm more inclined to believe this. I kind of get it if Conor wanted to know what his donation money is being used for, as some charities/foundations provide this information when making a donation, but I really don't believe that Poirer's team would have withheld that information if requested.

I'll admit I didn't think Conor deserved another shot at Poirier, and thought Poirier should have went for the title fight instead, and I wasn't all that excited for the trilogy, but this may have given me a bit more hype to it. I think it'll go ahead, Conor probably jumping the gun by saying he'll find someone else. I think Chandler chimed in suggesting he should replace Poirier.

Who knows we might get the hungry old Conor back.

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Quote from: notblox1 on April 12, 2021, 01:17:15 PM

Look at him now, he replied to Poirier on twitter with many personal insults, calling him brain dead hillbilly and fool.
He is only ruining last remains of his fighting reputation after this show and lying, maybe he was just trying to get more media attention for his next fight.
You just never know with Connor.

I saw the tweet and i was wondering how come he could fight someone else when the contract is already signed and Conor McGregor is not having any reputation regarding his words and we have seen that time and again after he made millions from the Mayweather bout but to come out and claim that he is going to fight somebody else on the date fixed for the Dustin Poirier trilogy is absurd.

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UFC on ESPN: Whittaker vs. Gastelum

Date: April 18, 2021
Main Card: SUN, APR 18 / 5:00 AM EEST
Prelims: SUN, APR 18 / 2:00 AM EEST

Venue: UFC APEX, Las Vegas, Nevada, United States

Main card (ESPN)
Middleweight: Robert Whittaker vs. Kelvin Gastelum
Lightweight: Jeremy Stephens vs. Drakkar Klose
Heavyweight: Andrei Arlovski vs. Chase Sherman
Middleweight: Abdul Razak Alhassan vs. Jacob Malkoun
Lightweight: Luis Peña vs. Alexander Munoz
Bantamweight: Ricardo Ramos vs. Bill Algeo

Preliminary card (ESPN+)
Women’s Flyweight: Tracy Cortez vs. Justine Kish
Heavyweight: Alexander Romanov vs. Juan Espino
Women’s Strawweight: Jessica Penne vs. Lupita Godinez
Middleweight: Gerald Meerschaert vs. Bartosz Fabiński
Women’s Bantamweight: Zarah Fairn Dos Santos vs. Josiane Nunes
Bantamweight: Tony Gravely vs. Anthony Birchak

source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_on_ESPN:_Whittaker_vs._Gastelum

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Quote from: Welsh on April 12, 2021, 11:37:21 AM

Like, I don't understand how Conor would benefit him.

Look at him now, he replied to Poirier on twitter with many personal insults, calling him brain dead hillbilly and fool.
He is only ruining last remains of his fighting reputation after this show and lying, maybe he was just trying to get more media attention for his next fight.
You just never know with Connor.

https://twitter.com/TheNotoriousMMA/status/1381624066105344000

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Like, I don't understand how Conor would benefit him. The fact that he himself, and his team both ignored any incoming messages from Poirier, and his team just tells me it was all talk. Conor's manager might have now responded that they will pay, but its now a long time after, and it required Poirier to go public about it to get it done. This just now seems like damage mitigation by Conor's team rather than actually having the intention to send the donation. The fact a donation helps Conor with his tax rebate is just mind boggling that he would even say this, and not follow through with it right away.

Obviously, we couldn't possibly know everything that's going on behind the scenes, but you'd think they would have sorted this out before it was made public.

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