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Quote from: mikeywith on February 13, 2019, 04:28:56 PM

everybody is blaming the whales, easiest thing to do when you suck at trading.

they were wrong , they must not blame the crypto whales because whales are not the only one who manipulate this market . there are news , fuds , investors , hodlers , and many more . infact , whales are our ally because they help us earn a huge profit when they decide to pump the market . they only help us buy cryptos at a lower cost when they decide to dump the market .

Yes, I think the news will take a big portion to manipulate the news because they are succeeding to make people panic. But the whales still need indicators to check the trend, the price, the order history. And if they found that the news is not right and will make people panic, they will place a big wall in the market to hold people not to panic. Like or not, we still need whales in the market, and if we can follow the whale's movement, I think we can also make a profit too.

They are successful in doing that, they can set a buy or sell wall anytime as they are just after of the price volatility.
I'm gonna say that whales makes easy money but consistently doing that and even if we complain or blame them, there is nothing we can do
to change the reality as they will continue to dominate the market and will make themselves richer.

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Quote from: Omega Weapon on February 13, 2019, 10:36:04 PM

Whales are a very easy target, many are envious of them not only by the amount of coins and wealth they have but also of the control of the market they have so whenever things go wrong and people lose money many decide to blame the whales about their losses but they never give a reason why they do not buy and sell when the whales do and get the same profits.

Whales are a target but a target for hackers and scammers not for any other trader out there. The biggest customer base of crypto tumblers and mixers are whales who need to wipe out the taint in their coins because they have their own sources of getting money from and dont want to tracked.

Back to topic, what people think in popular belief is not always true agreed. However you cannot deny the same because of lack of evidence. Nobody can pump or dump with high volumes other than whales. They are some big individuals or hedge funds on bitcoin. There are whale movements and often they get aggregated with small traders so it becomes difficult to recognize.

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Quote from: imstillthebest on February 13, 2019, 09:53:35 PM

Quote from: mikeywith on February 13, 2019, 04:28:56 PM

everybody is blaming the whales, easiest thing to do when you suck at trading.

they were wrong , they must not blame the crypto whales because whales are not the only one who manipulate this market . there are news , fuds , investors , hodlers , and many more . infact , whales are our ally because they help us earn a huge profit when they decide to pump the market . they only help us buy cryptos at a lower cost when they decide to dump the market .

Yes, I think the news will take a big portion to manipulate the news because they are succeeding to make people panic. But the whales still need indicators to check the trend, the price, the order history. And if they found that the news is not right and will make people panic, they will place a big wall in the market to hold people not to panic. Like or not, we still need whales in the market, and if we can follow the whale's movement, I think we can also make a profit too.

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Quote from: imstillthebest on February 13, 2019, 09:53:35 PM

Quote from: mikeywith on February 13, 2019, 04:28:56 PM

everybody is blaming the whales, easiest thing to do when you suck at trading.

they were wrong , they must not blame the crypto whales because whales are not the only one who manipulate this market . there are news , fuds , investors , hodlers , and many more . infact , whales are our ally because they help us earn a huge profit when they decide to pump the market . they only help us buy cryptos at a lower cost when they decide to dump the market .

There's no one to blame here if we make bad decision, it should only be ourselves.
Whales have reached their position now because they took the risk in the past and they are enjoying that power now.
We don't have to beat them or go against them, if you see they are good on what they are doing, then just follow them.

This would make you profitable also.

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Quote from: mikeywith on February 13, 2019, 04:28:56 PM

everybody is blaming the whales, easiest thing to do when you suck at trading.

Whales are a very easy target, many are envious of them not only by the amount of coins and wealth they have but also of the control of the market they have so whenever things go wrong and people lose money many decide to blame the whales about their losses but they never give a reason why they do not buy and sell when the whales do and get the same profits.

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Quote from: mikeywith on February 13, 2019, 04:28:56 PM

everybody is blaming the whales, easiest thing to do when you suck at trading.

they were wrong , they must not blame the crypto whales because whales are not the only one who manipulate this market . there are news , fuds , investors , hodlers , and many more . infact , whales are our ally because they help us earn a huge profit when they decide to pump the market . they only help us buy cryptos at a lower cost when they decide to dump the market .

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Quote from: arpon11 on October 23, 2018, 03:06:16 AM

The whales and big investors did not need indicators both (technical and fundamentals indicators) before buying or selling Cryptocoins. This has just made me to believe that the indicators are just there for me and you to lose money and not to make money as the price will still go against you no matter how intelligent you are in technical analysis. The market seeing to make it own mind and that is to say the whales push it to any direction they decide at a particular time.

I dont agree. For me big investors and whales are the first one to study technical analysis, market trend and coins chsrt movement. Because if you are a whales and just keep buying with out doing technical analysis then you may end up losing all your money. Whales can push price up or down but they can't do it alone they need other big investors and fellow whales to do it so they can create resistance and strong support.

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Quote from: mikeywith on February 13, 2019, 04:28:56 PM

everybody is blaming the whales, easiest thing to do when you suck at trading.

And they never blame the whales when it comes to IRL.
If a day I become a whale I wouldn't be bothered to be blamed all day long... Grin

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Whales are highly educated people they have a lot of more knowledge and skills compared to people from here (yeah I include me in too).It's usually their job and they make a living from funds management.

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everybody is blaming the whales, easiest thing to do when you suck at trading.

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Quote from: izanagi narukami on February 13, 2019, 07:22:46 AM

IMO, whale trader need more careful to buy because they capable to controlling global market so every decision their make are critical.
I'm not agree that they need no indicator.

If I was the big whale, I will do it either analyze or buy nothin !

I guess this will be purely depend on where they are trading/manipulating. If they are trading in high liquidity markets then they also must need to use technical analysis so that they can be sure about not get blown away by other whales. But, I believe that whales themselves must be operating some exchanges and when they will be having less liquidity and all needed control then they may go for on their own way of manipulations.

When you have a lot of coins you can dump the coins and make prices to go down, if you are a whale you can start buying and make prices to go up by rising the demand. You can do many things if you have a lot of money, and the point is that you never do anything with all the money you have, even with parts you can make price swinging. Point is when you are strong you can create indicators for others, maybe not entirely alone, you always need a group if you wish to do something big.

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Quote from: izanagi narukami on February 13, 2019, 07:22:46 AM

IMO, whale trader need more careful to buy because they capable to controlling global market so every decision their make are critical.
I'm not agree that they need no indicator.

If I was the big whale, I will do it either analyze or buy nothin !

I guess this will be purely depend on where they are trading/manipulating. If they are trading in high liquidity markets then they also must need to use technical analysis so that they can be sure about not get blown away by other whales. But, I believe that whales themselves must be operating some exchanges and when they will be having less liquidity and all needed control then they may go for on their own way of manipulations.

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IMO, whale trader need more careful to buy because they capable to controlling global market so every decision their make are critical.
I'm not agree that they need no indicator.

If I was the big whale, I will do it either analyze or buy nothin !

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Quote from: umbara ardian on February 13, 2019, 06:46:41 AM

Quote from: TitanGEL on February 09, 2019, 04:21:00 AM

You are wrong! Even if they are very influential person im thr cryptocurrency market. They are still using indicators and technical analysis when they are buying cryptocurrencies. They know the risks that they are taking so they are very careful to their decisions.

methods by looking at indicators or using technical analysis cannot provide accurate guarantees, because you have to know that there will never be a cryptocurrency price movement that can provide the right predictions, they only use the courage to buy and wait until prices rise to sell it.

But its not for the people who knows how to control the market but they can use the indicators to identify the mentality of investors and can make their decision based on it but for them no indication is needed.

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Quote from: TitanGEL on February 09, 2019, 04:21:00 AM

You are wrong! Even if they are very influential person im thr cryptocurrency market. They are still using indicators and technical analysis when they are buying cryptocurrencies. They know the risks that they are taking so they are very careful to their decisions.

methods by looking at indicators or using technical analysis cannot provide accurate guarantees, because you have to know that there will never be a cryptocurrency price movement that can provide the right predictions, they only use the courage to buy and wait until prices rise to sell it.

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Quote from: arpon11 on October 23, 2018, 03:06:16 AM

The whales and big investors did not need indicators both (technical and fundamentals indicators) before buying or selling Cryptocoins. This has just made me to believe that the indicators are just there for me and you to lose money and not to make money as the price will still go against you no matter how intelligent you are in technical analysis. The market seeing to make it own mind and that is to say the whales push it to any direction they decide at a particular time.

so what you mean is manipulation?if i got it right or i missed something?

I never did believe in indicator ever since i am buying or selling instead what I believe is my instincts that mostly brings me to profit though we cant take losses sometimes since this is part of the risk of being trader

Quote from: Kahoy01 on February 11, 2019, 09:38:36 PM

Whales are not just buying coins, of course they do not want to lose their money so they are also doing research. They are also using indicators like other traders, they want to ensure that they can make money from pumping a specific coin.

Lol we have our own position in each matters,but never forget that whales can move the market shaking if they wanted too

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Quote from: apityeh71 on February 11, 2019, 11:03:08 PM

I think whales also use fundamental and technical analysis to buy crypto, and they will buy it if the price already in the bottom. They will accumulate when the price in the bottomed and then wait for bull market. Most of them just doing swing trading and after target profit achived they will sell all their coins. Usually they have better strategy and have financial adviser because they use big money and dont want loss it.

They know that they have to do, and whatever they do, I believe they are good on it, that's why they are whales.
Method is not so important, what's important is the result in trading and most of the time they are in the profit side since they can manipulate the market.

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I think whales also use fundamental and technical analysis to buy crypto, and they will buy it if the price already in the bottom. They will accumulate when the price in the bottomed and then wait for bull market. Most of them just doing swing trading and after target profit achived they will sell all their coins. Usually they have better strategy and have financial adviser because they use big money and dont want loss it.

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Whales are not just buying coins, of course they do not want to lose their money so they are also doing research. They are also using indicators like other traders, they want to ensure that they can make money from pumping a specific coin.

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wrong prediction,
You say that whales don't need indicators to analyze the trade they do,
remember that whales or large investors do not mean they are experts in trade, what distinguishes them is that they only use large capital in trading.

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If I'm the whales, I can easily pump the price and exit right away after having a good profit so I think indicators might not be the big help for the whales. Though it is still needed to analyze the trend, but since most of the small investors/traders don't depend too much on the indicators I think they can manipulate without using any indicators.

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