No one can really be equated to BFL other than Avalon I think at this point.
BFL are the 'REFUND DENIERS'.
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Black Arrow? Well they do have a number of projects completed and shipped.
Do they have paypal and CC? Nope and that is a concern and if you have been burned by BFL and AVALON no sense getting burned potentially a 3rd time.
Does Black Arrow offer escrow in BTC? Maybe that is one angle you can work on and approach them with. I am not sure that they are trying to make CC and PayPal a reality or not or if their situation is such that would be easier or harder than say KnC had with their ability to provide CC and Paypal. However looking at what BFL did there are 0 guarantees even with CC and Paypal seeing as how BFL fights every refund request.
From what I can tell they have the engineers they can build an ASIC and whether or not they reach the finish line is a bet you have to take based on what you can learn from the specs they will post or have posted on the chips.
Any engineer worth their salt will be able to tell you if what they have designed is doable or where they might have huge issues. That could be a really good indicator for many on whether or not I would invest.
Again with any of this don't put in more than you are willing to lose.
Topic: The "What Black Arrow does not want you to know" thread - page 2. (Read 18128 times)
If you think the Black Arrow one was bad... how about BFL Monarch render and recently them lifting a picture from Rice University for their hosting?! http://www.pgal.com/portfolio/rice-university-data-center-2/ vs. http://www.butterflylabs.com/landing/slanding.php
LOL awesome
LOL awesome
Yeah similar to BFL and it took them a year to get the bugs worked out of their own custom ASIC!
Ask those who pre-ordered Jalapeños how that worked out for them.
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no, they delivered fpgas month ago
That also reminds me of the bASIC pre-orders, whatever happened to BTCFPGA.com?
Both these two made their own FPGAs and failed at ASICs.
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PayPal is not yet working properly. We wrote them and waiting for reply.
Despite what they say about not being able to accept PayPal/Credit Cards for Bitcoin orders both KnCminer.com and technobit.eu manage to do it, probably because they can deliver within the 45 days refund window and not funding product development with customer money.
If you're new around here just be aware putting money into pre-orders can be damaging to your wealth!
If you think the Black Arrow one was bad... how about BFL Monarch render and recently them lifting a picture from Rice University for their hosting?! http://www.pgal.com/portfolio/rice-university-data-center-2/ vs. http://www.butterflylabs.com/landing/slanding.php
LOL awesome
LOL awesome
Haven't you ever hired someone to do images or a website only to find later that they ripped off the images / the site ?
-MarkM-
-MarkM-
I'm sure that's what happened. Also has anyone heard of pirateat40 lately? I think he might have forgotten to pay out dividends for a while. I sure hope he's okay.
He's a little tied up right now..
"Washington D.C., July 23, 2013 — The Securities and Exchange Commission today charged a Texas man and his company with defrauding investors in a Ponzi scheme involving Bitcoin"
http://www.sec.gov/News/PressRelease/Detail/PressRelease/1370539730583#.Un-nYiejN3U
I am not seeing this render anywhere on their site...
http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/prospero-x-1.html
It was there. Probably they've taken the image down for obvious reasons.http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/prospero-x-1.html
I can confirm that I saw that image on their site too.
The minion chip image is fake too you can see the Photoshop feathering on the right edge over the circuit board print.
The fact they won't take Credit Card, Paypal, or Escrow doesn't fill me with confidence either.
no, they delivered fpgas month ago
It was a different web site address back then, if I recall correctly, are these the same people? And they really only resold other peoples stuff, rather than making their own ASIC chip, which is going to be much harder.
They list their address as:
801, Building 2, Huangduguangchang, Yitian Road, Futian District, Shenzhen, Guangdong, P. R. China, Postcode: 518048
but the domain registra lists the owner as:
Yi Tian Black Arrow LTD 90 jaffe road wanchai hong kong
When I look the last address up it's says Henan Building and they seem to rent office space.
Um what part of their ASIC is a preorder and not actually done yet did you have trouble understanding.
They did take CC and Paypal... but both them and I have been dropped by both. BFL really ruined things for us. Their 'shop is no different than CT or HF or even KnC before they delivered.
Yes, they have offices in China, HK and the UK. They are the same people.
If you think the Black Arrow one was bad... how about BFL Monarch render and recently them lifting a picture from Rice University for their hosting?! http://www.pgal.com/portfolio/rice-university-data-center-2/ vs. http://www.butterflylabs.com/landing/slanding.php
Yeah... weird thread. I mean, we've got like 3Thz hashing over in the DZ group buy with pics and everything, so... there's that.
Haven't you ever hired someone to do images or a website only to find later that they ripped off the images / the site ?
-MarkM-
-MarkM-
I'm sure that's what happened. Also has anyone heard of pirateat40 lately? I think he might have forgotten to pay out dividends for a while. I sure hope he's okay.
He's a little tied up right now..
"Washington D.C., July 23, 2013 — The Securities and Exchange Commission today charged a Texas man and his company with defrauding investors in a Ponzi scheme involving Bitcoin"
http://www.sec.gov/News/PressRelease/Detail/PressRelease/1370539730583#.Un-nYiejN3U
I am not seeing this render anywhere on their site...
http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/prospero-x-1.html
It was there. Probably they've taken the image down for obvious reasons.http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/prospero-x-1.html
I can confirm that I saw that image on their site too.
The minion chip image is fake too you can see the Photoshop feathering on the right edge over the circuit board print.
The fact they won't take Credit Card, Paypal, or Escrow doesn't fill me with confidence either.
no, they delivered fpgas month ago
It was a different web site address back then, if I recall correctly, are these the same people? And they really only resold other peoples stuff, rather than making their own ASIC chip, which is going to be much harder.
They list their address as:
801, Building 2, Huangduguangchang, Yitian Road, Futian District, Shenzhen, Guangdong, P. R. China, Postcode: 518048
but the domain registra lists the owner as:
Yi Tian Black Arrow LTD 90 jaffe road wanchai hong kong
When I look the last address up it's says Henan Building and they seem to rent office space.
Um what part of their ASIC is a preorder and not actually done yet did you have trouble understanding.
They did take CC and Paypal... but both them and I have been dropped by both. BFL really ruined things for us. Their 'shop is no different than CT or HF or even KnC before they delivered.
Yes, they have offices in China, HK and the UK. They are the same people.
Haven't you ever hired someone to do images or a website only to find later that they ripped off the images / the site ?
-MarkM-
-MarkM-
I'm sure that's what happened. Also has anyone heard of pirateat40 lately? I think he might have forgotten to pay out dividends for a while. I sure hope he's okay.
He's a little tied up right now..
"Washington D.C., July 23, 2013 — The Securities and Exchange Commission today charged a Texas man and his company with defrauding investors in a Ponzi scheme involving Bitcoin"
http://www.sec.gov/News/PressRelease/Detail/PressRelease/1370539730583#.Un-nYiejN3U
I am not seeing this render anywhere on their site...
http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/prospero-x-1.html
It was there. Probably they've taken the image down for obvious reasons.http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/prospero-x-1.html
I can confirm that I saw that image on their site too.
The minion chip image is fake too you can see the Photoshop feathering on the right edge over the circuit board print.
The fact they won't take Credit Card, Paypal, or Escrow doesn't fill me with confidence either.
no, they delivered fpgas month ago
It was a different web site address back then, if I recall correctly, are these the same people? And they really only resold other peoples stuff, rather than making their own ASIC chip, which is going to be much harder.
They list their address as:
801, Building 2, Huangduguangchang, Yitian Road, Futian District, Shenzhen, Guangdong, P. R. China, Postcode: 518048
but the domain registra lists the owner as:
Yi Tian Black Arrow LTD 90 jaffe road wanchai hong kong
When I look the last address up it's says Henan Building and they seem to rent office space.
no, they delivered fpgas month ago
And I have a warehouse full of their bitfury 16 chip boards. pics =
I am in one of the DZ Black Arrow group buys and it is real and hashing now.
I have a stack of their Lancelot clones mining beside me on my desk.
no, they delivered fpgas month ago
And I have a warehouse full of their bitfury 16 chip boards. pics =
no, they delivered fpgas month ago
And I have a warehouse full of their bitfury 16 chip boards. pics =
no, they delivered fpgas month ago
And I have a warehouse full of their bitfury 16 chip boards.
They're resellers, I bought stuff from him but I think their mining gear is not that real ...
no, they delivered fpgas month ago
Hi
short question is Black Arrow scam yes or no ? ( any proofs ? )
short question is Black Arrow scam yes or no ? ( any proofs ? )
I have been trying to do so- They personally put a significant amount of money and trust in me, and in return they are assembling over 200 16 Chip bitfury boards using their own in house design. I already have pictures of the finished un-mounted PCBs, and should have pictures of the mounted PCBs here soon.
Thanks - I'll watch with interest.
Black Arrow just announced an American reseller. Does that change anything re their credibility?
http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/usa-reseller.html
http://minersource.net/
I would be that reseller sir http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/usa-reseller.html
http://minersource.net/
Super - sorry to put you in an awkward spot in this thread, but bolster our confidence more, if you will or point me to a separate thread if appropriate - the Black Arrow thread has been quiet of late.
Thanks!
Black Arrow just announced an American reseller. Does that change anything re their credibility?
http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/usa-reseller.html
http://minersource.net/
I would be that reseller sir http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/usa-reseller.html
http://minersource.net/
Super - sorry to put you in an awkward spot in this thread, but bolster our confidence more, if you will or point me to a separate thread if appropriate - the Black Arrow thread has been quiet of late.
Thanks!
We've already conducted several transactions with Black Arrow and in good faith they've followed through every time. They have BRILLIANT engineers that work on the efficiency angle of mining as well as a key factor for mining hardware sales, fast FAST shipping. We adopted this principle when we offered free EXPRESS shipping on orders of just 2 or more. We will upload videos of our fully functional boards as solid evidence of their good faith efforts.
Black Arrow just announced an American reseller. Does that change anything re their credibility?
http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/usa-reseller.html
http://minersource.net/
I would be that reseller sir http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/usa-reseller.html
http://minersource.net/
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