Topic: The "What Black Arrow does not want you to know" thread - page 3. (Read 18128 times)

Well I have no issues if they use an OEM case. Saves time and $ on design and they can work on fitting their asic design into a ready-made case.

tldr

who cares if they used another persons design

they are selling a product at reasonably low prices due in feb...if they wanted to scam they would "deliver" sooner...not to mention they have a track record of delivering and manufacturing bitcoin products

Black Arrow just announced an American reseller. Does that change anything re their credibility?

http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/usa-reseller.html

http://minersource.net/

They are assembling approx. 125 bitfury boards, of witch already have assembled PCB's (and pics) and confirmed recipt of my ASICs go go on them.

Isn't blackarrow a proven vendor/manufacturer of Icarus boards?  IIRC the Sovu accusations were brought up before they delivered miners to many paying customers?

Aren't they making some boards for Nov 1 delivery of a Bitfury group buy?


I don't want to be the guy standing between the angry mob and the accused, but this is a total toss up...

They delivered FPGAs on-time in the face of scam accusations.  They're supplying (assembling?) some Bitfury boards in the very near future.  

Besides some conveniently questionable photoshop work, an associate with a sketchy past, and a ripoff report which basically links back to bitcointalk...

They seem to have done what they said they were going to thus far in the BTC realm.  No slack for previous history?

Lawdy, you never ran into DMCA, the new & improved copyright law, have you?  It's brutal.  What truly should be fair use, works so transformative there's nothing left of original besides the copyright, or silly fan art by 5-yr-olds -- even those run afoul of "fair use."  RIAA doesn't even except the fact that fair use exists /rant.

So no, that's not fair use.  That's theft.

Something just doesn't smell right. Perhaps this will help: http://parfumcenter.hu/ Bonus points awarded if you can connect it Black Arrow.

Good to see Phinnaeus Gage is still on the job

Meh...

more concerned with getting some chips and making our own miner. As long as the performance numbers match and the chip specs are released then not sure I care what they think the box will look like. If they dealt with the "plagiarism" then fine.

I ask, because it looks to me like Infinity's facebook, and domain, was created months after the quoted statement began appearing on blackarrow's website.  Not to mention that Infinity's miner looks a lot like KNC's Mars prototype ...

Point being, someone duplicating blackarrow's copy is not an indication of blackarrow's reputation.

Your other tidbit, however, is unsettling...

I'll take the credit for finding the above, but it has been addressed before on this forum, but I wasn't aware of it prior.

nice detective work

For the same reason I'm offering up this other tidbit: http://www.ripoffreport.com/r/Card-Reader-Factory/internet/Card-Reader-Factory-cardreaderfactory-cardreaderfactorycom-crs-known-scam-and-snitch-I-1070440

Why are you quoting the Infinity, Inc. scam?

http://www.blackarrowsoftware.com/store/about-us-en.html


http://www.infinity-miner.com/about.html

The image was used for press releases: http://onbitcoin.com/2013/09/23/black-arrow-offers-pre-orders-for-new-bitcoin-mining-hardware/

http://d1uiva7rkkyvvt.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/20130923-Black-Arrow-Bitcoin-Mining-Prospero-X1.jpg

Serious what it looks like is the least of my concerns. I spend all my time looking at stats not the fucking box

1. Reliable
2. low power usage
3. Price right
4. Shipped on time as scheduled
5. low noise
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10. Looks

all they did was change the name, add an led, and add an lcd. thats not a major modification, its a blantant ripoff and unlike what will be made.

show of hands, who expects the final product to be roughly 12x12x8cm like they displayed for weeks (months) on the site?

I'm not an illustrater, but i do remember reading somewhere that if you modify a certain percentage of an image, it isn't a rip off, it is fair use. Many illustraters start with an existing image and modify it to fit their purpose. I see nothing wrong with this. You people are crazy.

You make a good and interesting point, though it's not related to the original topic of this thread.

Anyway, I agree, the amount of time/effort a company spends on marketing a pre-order product could potentially be used as an indicator of the company's technical capabilities.  In this case, I would argue that blackarrow probably already had an established marketing team as part of their company prior to their ASIC announcement.  Since they're on payroll, might as well use them.

For me personally, I find a company's history to be a better indicator of their merits than anything else.  Like a person, you should always bet on a company not changing their habits.  That isn't to say that they can't change, but more times than not they will repeat their mistakes.  BFL is a prime example.  It seems a lot of people forgot that they pulled their same shenanigans back with their original FPGA based product.

From what I know of Blackarrow, their customer service has been stellar, but I recall them tripping on a few early delivery schedules with their Icarus clones (IIRC their FPGA supplier fell through).  Their habits likely won't change, which is to say that I believe they will deliver (as you seem to agree), but may still run into trouble during their early shipping (as do most companies, to be honest).